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Old 10th November 2019, 01:04 PM   #2161
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Question What is the Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88

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Expect deafening silence from Sol88 about the Thunderbolts cult insane electric sun dogma.
Consider that we detect neutrinos from solar fusion. Add that we are not flooded with the gamma radiation from that fusion. Add that the only place in the Sun with the physical conditions for fusion is the core of the Sun. Add that basic physics (thermal pressure balancing gravity) means the Sun has to have an internal heat source. The rational, scientific conclusion is that the Sun must be powered by fusion in its core because the physical evidence supports that.

What is the official Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88?

That should be a source backed up with science and matching the real Sun (the measured neutrino flux, the lack of fusion specific gamma radiation, evidence for the temperatures and pressures needed for fusion)

For others: The answer depends which cult member you ask!
Testing the Electric Universe In Pseudoscience by Brian Koberlein 25 February 2014 looked at a EU e-book with endorsements by Wallace Thornhill and Dr Donald E Scott. That book just denies a fusion powered Sun and ignores the solar neutrino flux.

Just-So Story In Pseudoscience by Brian Koberlein 27 January 2018
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There’s a lot of strange claims made in the EU model, but one of the strangest is that stars are not powered by nuclear fusion. Findlay’s book reiterates this point numerous times, arguing that fusion does not occur in stars. In chapter 4, Findlay writes:
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In Chapter 6, Findlay explains that stars shine due to cosmic electric currents flowing through a star’s plasmasphere. Rather than nuclear fusion, stars are powered like an arc light.
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Of course the problem is that there isn’t just one EU model at this point, there are several conflicting versions of them. To my best current understanding, some EU models say fusion doesn’t occur at all, some EU supporters claim neutrinos don’t even exist, and some claim fusion occurs near stellar surfaces, but (as far as I know) all claim fusion does not occur in stellar cores. Again, to my understanding, if core fusion were shown to be valid, it would overturn the electric star claims of EU models, and thus most of EU in general.

If fusion occurred near a Sun’s surface, it would produce neutrinos, so the mere detection of solar neutrinos is consistent with both surface and core fusion models. However, we can do much more than detect solar neutrinos. We now have measurements of both the types (flavors) of neutrinos and their energy levels. We know the rate at which solar neutrinos are generated at various energy levels. What we find is that the energy of neutrinos follows a thermal distribution consistent with the thermal distribution we expect in the core (that is, produced by intense heat and pressure). Fusion produced by electromagnetic plasmas would have a different spectrum, which isn’t observed in solar neutrinos. We know this because we use particle accelerators (electromagnetic plasmas) to produce neutrinos in the lab. More recently we have finally detected neutrinos from the fundamental proton-proton collisions in the Sun’s core, which is consistent with core fusion.

Even if EU’s surface fusion model could be tweaked to mimic core fusion, there were still be the issue of high energy gamma rays.

EU supporters posted some abysmal levels of ignorance, e.g. read the stupid "The EU model suggests Neutrinos are formed through the process of Fission in the photosphere, not fusion" comment !

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Old 19th November 2019, 01:26 PM   #2162
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Blowtorch jets from a black hole drive starbirth https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...38-4357/ab464c


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Galaxy clusters are the largest structures in the cosmos that are held together by gravity, consisting of hundreds or thousands of galaxies embedded in hot gas, as well as invisible dark matter. The largest supermassive black holes known are in galaxies at the centers of these clusters.

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The large galaxy hosting the black hole is surrounded by hot gas with temperatures of millions of degrees.
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This hot gas loses energy as it glows in X-rays, which should cause it to cool until it can form large numbers of stars. However, in all other observed galaxy clusters, bursts of energy driven by such a black hole keep most of the hot gas from cooling, preventing widespread star birth.
Hot gas? Really?

This is still taught in schools today.... Going lthrough a phase

Solid, add heat, get
Liquid, keep adding heat, get
Gas, add even more heat, get
Plasma!!!!

But

I make a plasma like this, Plasma globe

When voltage is applied, a plasma is formed within the container.

I’m pretty sure that’s how scientists produce plasma in a lab????

Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet

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We present radio emission, polarization, and Faraday rotation maps of the radio jet of the galaxy 3C303.

From this data we derive the magnetoplasma and electrodynamic parameters of this 50 kpc long jet.

For a {∼2} kpc segment of this jet we obtain for the first time a direct determination of a {\it galactic}-scale electric current (∼3×10^18 A), and its direction − {\it positive} away from the AGN. Our analysis strongly supports a model where the jet energy flow is mainly electromagnetic.
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Old 19th November 2019, 03:14 PM   #2163
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Originally Posted by Sol88 View Post
Blowtorch jets from a black hole drive starbirth https://iopscience.iop.org/article/1...38-4357/ab464c









Hot gas? Really?

This is still taught in schools today.... Going lthrough a phase

Solid, add heat, get
Liquid, keep adding heat, get
Gas, add even more heat, get
Plasma!!!!

But

I make a plasma like this, Plasma globe

When voltage is applied, a plasma is formed within the container.

I’m pretty sure that’s how scientists produce plasma in a lab????

Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet
Sol88, I hate to break this to you*, but none of this is particularly new, and - more pertinent for this thread - it has nothing whatsoever to do with Velikovsky’s nonsense.

I am puzzled by one thing though ... why do you consider this worthy of being posted here? I mean, it’s far from the first time it’s been pointed out to you that a) astrophysicists have had this sort of thing in their textbooks for decades, and b) it has nothing to do with giant, inter-galactic Birkeland currents powering stars.


* no, not really
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Old 19th November 2019, 04:02 PM   #2164
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Thumbs down Yet more insanity from Sol88 - his "gas" insanity about mainstream astronomy

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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - his "gas" insanity about mainstream astronomy.
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Old 19th November 2019, 04:06 PM   #2165
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Thumbs down Yet more insanity from Sol88 - a "plasma globe" is not an electric universe theory

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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - a "plasma globe" is not an electric universe theory.
Usual abysmal ignorance from Sol88. Scientists produce plasma in various ways in the lab. Heat a gas with electric discharges. Heat a gas in a heater. Heat a gas with radio waves. Heat a gas with lasers.

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Old 19th November 2019, 04:12 PM   #2166
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Thumbs down Yet more insanity from Sol88 - citing mainstream astronomy

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Yet more insanity from Sol88 - citing mainstream astronomy.

11 November 2019: What is the Thunderbolts EU cult source for the neutrinos we detect, Sol88 (so far deafening silence from Sol88!)

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Old 19th November 2019, 05:13 PM   #2167
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Anywhoo, moving on... Measurement of the Electric Current in a Kpc-Scale Jet
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We present radio emission, polarization, and Faraday rotation maps of the radio jet of the galaxy 3C303.

From this data we derive the magnetoplasma and electrodynamic parameters of this 50 kpc long jet.
Uh-huh. And in the EU woo, which way should these jets be going? Assuming the galaxies are all forming along these impossible Gpc currents? In one side, and out the other, I would have thought. Not heading out from the central BH in opposite directions, perpendicular to the plane of the galaxy. As observed.
Seems like another spam and run post to me.
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Question In the EU universe, what directions do galactic jets go

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Uh-huh. And in the EU woo, which way should these jets be going? ....
Lets ask the expert !
20 November 2019: In the EU universe, what directions do galactic jets go, Sol88?

Not what you imagine the EU answer to be but what actual EU sources say the official EU answer is. The answer must be the officially documented scientific model of galactic jets showing where they start, the directions that they go and the flow of plasma along them as created by the EU mechanism.

The "official" EU delusion that I know about is stealing Peratt's model of a pair of Birkeland currents forming galaxies.
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