[Merged] UK Queen dead? Dying?/Liz Mountbatten's death - Page 14

GlennB · 10th September 2022, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Steve

Weather ceases to change for the entirety of the official mourning period when a monarch dies.

Makes me wonder what they'd do if there was a vast, damaging storm heading our way, or Putin was assassinated ...

Craig4 · 10th September 2022, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs

Britbox posted this week's Gardener's World yesterday. As it's a clip show this week, I expect it was in the can when the queen died. I'm not sure if it aired in the UK on BBC though. I expect next week it will be another clip show of Liz going around Chelsea in the royal golf cart and showing off her gardens.

Craig4 · 10th September 2022, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

Makes me wonder what they'd do if there was a vast, damaging storm heading our way, or Putin was assassinated ...

Russian forces in Ukraine are in a state of near collapse today so I'm pretty sure we know what they'd do.

Puppycow · 10th September 2022, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

No - the main requirement of the job is that your mother had the job before you.

Oh, right. I forgot to mention that part.

But "avoiding scandal" at least also seems to be required, which was why Edward VIII abdicated.

Rolfe · 10th September 2022, 04:09 PM

By yesterday Radio 3 had got with the agenda and replaced everything with music written for various (British) royal occassions over the centuries.

The actual music is fine, there is a very varied selection, we had Banks of Green Willow around teatime, but avoiding the continuity announcements is a hell of a chore.

lionking · 10th September 2022, 04:58 PM

We are now having a nation-wide public holiday on 22 September in Australia. Everyone has gone insane here.

Rolfe · 10th September 2022, 05:05 PM

Saturday evening, my tenor recorder developed a serious problem during a music-making weekend. Monday afternoon, I took it to Edinburgh to the repair shop. Tuesday afternoon they phoned to say it was fixed. Wednesday morning I called back to ask if the music stand I wanted to buy was in stock yet, because I preferred to wait till it was and make one trip to collect the repair and buy the music stand. We'll call you tomorrow they said.

So far no phone call, and Edinburgh is being warned as vitrually a no-go zone traffic wise. I need that recorder for next Saturday, no arguments, new music stand or no new music stand. I wish to hell I'd collected it on Wednesday.

How long is this circus supposed to go on for?

Rolfe · 10th September 2022, 05:06 PM

On the other hand, if next Saturday's Early Music playing day is currently being rehashed to be all about Gloriana, maybe I don't need the recorder at all, maybe I stay home.

theprestige · 10th September 2022, 05:06 PM

Your Saturday client won't accept "the bloody queen bloody died" as an argument?

Rolfe · 10th September 2022, 05:10 PM

No. I'm booked to attend a music playing day specialising in Early Music (generally pre-1750). I need my tenor recorder for that as it's the only instrument I don't have any backup for.

But if the organisers are busy turning the whole thing into the same sort of "homage to British monarchs" that Radio 3 are currently running, maybe my interest has waned.

theprestige · 10th September 2022, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by Rolfe

No. I'm booked to attend a music playing day specialising in Early Music (generally pre-1750). I need my tenor recorder for that as it's the only instrument I don't have any backup for.

But if the organisers are busy turning the whole thing into the same sort of "homage to British monarchs" that Radio 3 are currently running, maybe my interest has waned.

Kinda seems like you meant to open that post with "yes".

Rolfe · 10th September 2022, 05:13 PM

I may not be understanding you. Doesn't matter.

Blue Mountain · 10th September 2022, 05:15 PM

Here in Manitoba we have a Court of Queen's Bench, which automatically became the Court of King's Bench when Elizabeth died. However, the event has caught the Manitoba Courts website off-guard. The text on the web page for the court has been updated to say "Kings Bench." but the URL itself is still "court-of-queens-bench" and the graphic at the top of the page still says "Queen's Bench."

In addition, the web page for the Provincial Court still has the text:

Originally Posted by Manitoba Provincial Court

Provincial Court

The Provincial Court of Manitoba is established by The Provincial Court Act. It is a court of record and has primarily a criminal jurisdiction, as well as limited concurrent jurisdiction with the Court of Queen’s Bench in family law matters that originate outside the City of Winnipeg. More than ninety-five percent of all criminal cases in Manitoba commence in the Provincial Court.

I'm a bit disappointed in the site's webmaster. I would have expected them to have a script all ready to go that would crawl the pages and automatically change the name and the URL, as well as an updated graphic and code in place to forward the old "queens-bench" URL to "kings-bench." The downsides to this are it would have to be maintained and tested like any other program, quite possibly for years, and it only needs to run once.

TragicMonkey · 10th September 2022, 05:31 PM

Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing.

Steve · 10th September 2022, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing.

He may have done that already.

Samson · 10th September 2022, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing.

I am not entirely sure but I think it is gender he would need to change.

TragicMonkey · 10th September 2022, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by Samson

I am not entirely sure but I think it is gender he would need to change.

If I were Charles I'd change just about everything. Go back to the character creation screen and start over.

The Atheist · 10th September 2022, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs

It's the same here for crissakes!

A couple of the network TV channels have had virtually 24-hour coverage of something to do with QE2 or the Royle family since she croaked.

Utterly ridiculous.

Originally Posted by lionking

We are now having a nation-wide public holiday on 22 September in Australia. Everyone has gone insane here.

I was just coming in to see if that had been mentioned yet. Cabinet here will follow suit tomorrow morning for sure.

Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000.

Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that.

lionking · 10th September 2022, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

I was just coming in to see if that had been mentioned yet. Cabinet here will follow suit tomorrow morning for sure.

Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000.

Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that.

It's even worse in Victoria, where 23/09 is a holiday for the AFL Grand Final (which I don't think anyone asked for) so we have a four day weekend. Not that workers in other states will not have the Friday off as well. Hideously expensive and not thought through.

angrysoba · 10th September 2022, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000.

Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that.

Originally Posted by lionking

It's even worse in Victoria, where 23/09 is a holiday for the AFL Grand Final (which I don't think anyone asked for) so we have a four day weekend. Not that workers in other states will not have the Friday off as well. Hideously expensive and not thought through.

Sorry, but why is it going to be so expensive for an impromptu national holiday?

Were these things really "not thought through" given that the death of the Queen was all but inevitable at some point, unless she had finally ripped off the mask and pointed out that David Icke was right and she was a reptilian shape-shifter and was actually immortal? Were people really counting on that as a possibility?

What do the opinion polls say about this?

Wouldn't holiday spending offset much of this?

lionking · 10th September 2022, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Sorry, but why is it going to be so expensive for an impromptu national holiday?

What do the opinion polls say about this?

Wouldn't holiday spending offset much of this?

Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more.

Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least.

And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles!

I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering.

a_unique_person · 10th September 2022, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by GlennB

I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs

I find it hard to believe there is that much interest in this event in Australia. Our head of state lives on the other side of the planet and may visit here once in blue moon.

I did see her drive by once. I was walking along the main drag in Melbourne and saw a small stand erected for the public to stand on. I wondered what was going on. It turns out the Queen was going to be passing by. Sure enough, about five minutes later a limousine drove past and some people cheered and waved. That was it.

Oh well, I get a public holiday out of it twice this year instead of the usual one. Once for the birthday and once for the funeral.

Matthew Best · 10th September 2022, 09:49 PM

The more holidays the better as far as I am concerned. Not that I will probably see any benefit from it - I get nothing extra for working on a bank holiday.

angrysoba · 10th September 2022, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more.

Good for them.

Originally Posted by lionking

Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least.

And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles!

I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering.

I guess lots of things cost money. But if you are going to have a public holiday for the Queen's birthday, it hardly seems extraordinary to have one for her funeral as well.

As for the Queen's involvement in the constitutional crisis, has it ever been determined that she did anything at all? I thought it was a spat between the PM and the Governor-General, and that it was the GG who overstepped. I don't really know the details, but just browsing, I don't find anything conclusive about her being involved, and in fact Whitlam himself seems to have dismissed the idea (I could be wrong, of course, and it could be that more recent revelations have shown this to be true).

As for her comments on Scotland or the EU, they are about as bland as humanly possible and ambiguous too, however they were spun.

(Oh wait, looks like neither side found them helpful, if I am reading this correctly...

)

Quote:

The Queen's remarks were interpreted by no campaigners as helpful to their cause.

Link

And, yes, the the queen, or rather the king, now, is still head of state in Australia and New Zealand; the armed forces swear an oath of allegiance to him. Here it is...

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I, (name), swear that I will well and truly serve His Majesty King Charles the Third, His Heirs and Successors according to law, as a member of the (insert Royal Australian Navy , Australian Army , or Royal Australian Air Force ) ... and that I will resist his enemies and faithfully discharge my duty according to law. SO HELP ME GOD!

New Zealand one is pretty similar.

It seems pretty clear that while Australia and New Zealand are consitutional monarchies, they will obviously have days devoted to the monarch like this.

If they don't want them, they may as well campaign for a republic. But to be smart, don't base your campaign on slogans like "I'm sick of these holidays costing businesses money and meaning wage earners get higher pay".

dudalb · 10th September 2022, 10:19 PM

Took a second look at the costumed soldiers at the procalimation in the City of London, and now I am changing my description;Thye are much more English CIvil War period then Elizabethan. The one in charge has a classic "lobster" helmet. I wondder if they are not portraying one of the London "Trained Bands" basically the miltia of the City of London, who sided with Parliament when the Civil War broke out.

dudalb · 10th September 2022, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more.

Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least.

And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles!

I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering.

Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not.
Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot.

TragicMonkey · 10th September 2022, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not.
Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot.

There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty. Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second. Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious.

angrysoba · 10th September 2022, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty. Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second. Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious.

Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice.

Filippo Lippi · 10th September 2022, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice.

Barry has hung up his wig and specs, otherwise it's a good shout

The Don · 10th September 2022, 11:40 PM

Even Radio 6 seems to have a very restricted playlist right now. I've listened to it maybe five times in the last three days for a total of three hours and the same songs keep popping up including a fairly obscure White Denim album track and Everybody Loves the Summertime.

Got more than a week of this to look forward to, thank goodness for streaming services.

Norman Alexander · 11th September 2022, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty.

King Bruce the Firsterest, First Bloke and Chief Bottle-washer.

Quote:

Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second.

That means everyone in Australia would have been given a knighthood in just over 4 minutes. Awesome!

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Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious.

King Hazza and Queen Megs... Has a certain je ne c'est quoi.

Norman Alexander · 11th September 2022, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by angrysoba

Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice.

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Barry has hung up his wig and specs, otherwise it's a good shout

I had the strongest impression Dame Edna WAS already our queen...!

Norman Alexander · 11th September 2022, 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not.
Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot.

We are indeed divided on becoming a republic. You can find staunch royalists no problem. Us republicans (absolutely no relation to US Republicans) are getting quietly more common. It remains a current topic locally. Generally, the attitude has been that we should "wait until Lizzy dies, then become a republic". She has, so we quite possibly may.

However Lizzy's popularity as a notable person was much appreciated, as have been some other royals, British and otherwise. But generally we are not equating liking her sense of humour with ardent monarchism.

You need to separate opinions on Australian republicanism from the dreadful 1970's Bazza Mackenzie-like sneering disdain for all things Pommy, i.e. British, which is (thankfully) a dying attitude here. It's common for us to "sledge" each other.

Vixen · 11th September 2022, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

If I were Charles I'd change just about everything. Go back to the character creation screen and start over.

Charles' contretemps with the inkwells was pure Spinal Tap.

Nurse!

Vixen · 11th September 2022, 01:30 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Took a second look at the costumed soldiers at the procalimation in the City of London, and now I am changing my description;Thye are much more English CIvil War period then Elizabethan. The one in charge has a classic "lobster" helmet. I wondder if they are not portraying one of the London "Trained Bands" basically the miltia of the City of London, who sided with Parliament when the Civil War broke out.

All looks BBC costume department with those guys and as for the ones in the broad brimmed hats, feathers and fawn 'Robin Hood' jackets, I'm thinking Yeomen. Just lacking the bow and arrows.

SteveAitch · 11th September 2022, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

Britbox posted this week's Gardener's World yesterday. As it's a clip show this week, I expect it was in the can when the queen died. I'm not sure if it aired in the UK on BBC though. I expect next week it will be another clip show of Liz going around Chelsea in the royal golf cart and showing off her gardens.

Bit late on this, sorry!

But yes, it was on at the normal time, as was this morning's repeat.

Interestingly, this week's Radio Times (out a few days before the death) describes the repeat it as what it was - a wildlife gardening special - as does last weeks describe the first broadcast of it, so I don't think it was a cobbled together clips job. Though next weeks...

zooterkin · 11th September 2022, 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Even Radio 6 seems to have a very restricted playlist right now. I've listened to it maybe five times in the last three days for a total of three hours and the same songs keep popping up including a fairly obscure White Denim album track and Everybody Loves the Summertime.

Got more than a week of this to look forward to, thank goodness for streaming services.

I was at a gig last night; thankfully most seem to be going ahead, since it's a bad time for musicians in general so losing any income is not good. In the circumstances, and since the venue was a British Legion hall, we had a minute's silence followed by the keyboard player playing the National Anthem, and then going into the first song. It was a Steely Dan tribute band, and, also in the circumstances, they revised their set list so the first song was not The Royal Scam.

catsmate · 11th September 2022, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Took a second look at the costumed soldiers at the procalimation in the City of London, and now I am changing my description;Thye are much more English CIvil War period then Elizabethan. The one in charge has a classic "lobster" helmet. I wondder if they are not portraying one of the London "Trained Bands" basically the miltia of the City of London, who sided with Parliament when the Civil War broke out.

Ahem

Originally Posted by catsmate

One of the London Livery Companies I believe, descendents of the Trained Bands.

ThatGuy11200 · 11th September 2022, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Took a second look at the costumed soldiers at the procalimation in the City of London, and now I am changing my description;Thye are much more English CIvil War period then Elizabethan. The one in charge has a classic "lobster" helmet. I wondder if they are not portraying one of the London "Trained Bands" basically the miltia of the City of London, who sided with Parliament when the Civil War broke out.

They could be City of London Corporation ceremonial pikemen and musketeers.

https://www.pikemen.org.uk/

P.J. Denyer · 11th September 2022, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Sue Ellen? The character on Dallas? That's the only one I know of, and even without having seen the show since 1979 I'm pretty sure she wasn't a barrister.

Anyway, I looked it up. QCs do automatically convert to KCs, they don't have to go through any kind of process for it, it's just a matter of updating their stationery.

Sue Ellen's her real given name, the number of senior Tories who don't use their real names is really quite amazing.

10th September 2022, 03:15 PM	#521
GlennB Loggerheaded, earth-vexing fustilarian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wales Posts: 29,730	Originally Posted by Steve Weather ceases to change for the entirety of the official mourning period when a monarch dies. Makes me wonder what they'd do if there was a vast, damaging storm heading our way, or Putin was assassinated ...
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10th September 2022, 03:49 PM	#522
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,918	Originally Posted by GlennB I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs Britbox posted this week's Gardener's World yesterday. As it's a clip show this week, I expect it was in the can when the queen died. I'm not sure if it aired in the UK on BBC though. I expect next week it will be another clip show of Liz going around Chelsea in the royal golf cart and showing off her gardens.
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10th September 2022, 03:50 PM	#523
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,918	Originally Posted by GlennB Makes me wonder what they'd do if there was a vast, damaging storm heading our way, or Putin was assassinated ... Russian forces in Ukraine are in a state of near collapse today so I'm pretty sure we know what they'd do.
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10th September 2022, 03:54 PM	#524
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,967	Originally Posted by Darat No - the main requirement of the job is that your mother had the job before you. Oh, right. I forgot to mention that part. But "avoiding scandal" at least also seems to be required, which was why Edward VIII abdicated.
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10th September 2022, 04:09 PM	#525
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	By yesterday Radio 3 had got with the agenda and replaced everything with music written for various (British) royal occassions over the centuries. The actual music is fine, there is a very varied selection, we had Banks of Green Willow around teatime, but avoiding the continuity announcements is a hell of a chore.
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10th September 2022, 04:58 PM	#526
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,483	We are now having a nation-wide public holiday on 22 September in Australia. Everyone has gone insane here.
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10th September 2022, 05:05 PM	#527
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	Saturday evening, my tenor recorder developed a serious problem during a music-making weekend. Monday afternoon, I took it to Edinburgh to the repair shop. Tuesday afternoon they phoned to say it was fixed. Wednesday morning I called back to ask if the music stand I wanted to buy was in stock yet, because I preferred to wait till it was and make one trip to collect the repair and buy the music stand. We'll call you tomorrow they said. So far no phone call, and Edinburgh is being warned as vitrually a no-go zone traffic wise. I need that recorder for next Saturday, no arguments, new music stand or no new music stand. I wish to hell I'd collected it on Wednesday. How long is this circus supposed to go on for?
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10th September 2022, 05:06 PM	#528
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	On the other hand, if next Saturday's Early Music playing day is currently being rehashed to be all about Gloriana, maybe I don't need the recorder at all, maybe I stay home.
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10th September 2022, 05:06 PM	#529
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 64,359	Your Saturday client won't accept "the bloody queen bloody died" as an argument?
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10th September 2022, 05:10 PM	#530
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	No. I'm booked to attend a music playing day specialising in Early Music (generally pre-1750). I need my tenor recorder for that as it's the only instrument I don't have any backup for. But if the organisers are busy turning the whole thing into the same sort of "homage to British monarchs" that Radio 3 are currently running, maybe my interest has waned.
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10th September 2022, 05:12 PM	#531
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Antimemetics Division Posts: 64,359	Originally Posted by Rolfe No. I'm booked to attend a music playing day specialising in Early Music (generally pre-1750). I need my tenor recorder for that as it's the only instrument I don't have any backup for. But if the organisers are busy turning the whole thing into the same sort of "homage to British monarchs" that Radio 3 are currently running, maybe my interest has waned. Kinda seems like you meant to open that post with "yes".
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10th September 2022, 05:13 PM	#532
Rolfe Adult human female Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NT 150 511 Posts: 50,593	I may not be understanding you. Doesn't matter.
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10th September 2022, 05:15 PM	#533
Blue Mountain Resident Skeptical Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Waging war on woo-woo in Winnipeg Posts: 7,339	Here in Manitoba we have a Court of Queen's Bench, which automatically became the Court of King's Bench when Elizabeth died. However, the event has caught the Manitoba Courts website off-guard. The text on the web page for the court has been updated to say "Kings Bench." but the URL itself is still "court-of-queens-bench" and the graphic at the top of the page still says "Queen's Bench." In addition, the web page for the Provincial Court still has the text: Originally Posted by Manitoba Provincial Court Provincial Court The Provincial Court of Manitoba is established by The Provincial Court Act. It is a court of record and has primarily a criminal jurisdiction, as well as limited concurrent jurisdiction with the Court of Queen’s Bench in family law matters that originate outside the City of Winnipeg. More than ninety-five percent of all criminal cases in Manitoba commence in the Provincial Court. I'm a bit disappointed in the site's webmaster. I would have expected them to have a script all ready to go that would crawl the pages and automatically change the name and the URL, as well as an updated graphic and code in place to forward the old "queens-bench" URL to "kings-bench." The downsides to this are it would have to be maintained and tested like any other program, quite possibly for years, and it only needs to run once.
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10th September 2022, 05:31 PM	#534
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,040	Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing.
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10th September 2022, 05:35 PM	#535
Steve Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney Nova Scotia Posts: 12,619	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing. He may have done that already.
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10th September 2022, 05:51 PM	#536
Samson Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,737	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Perhaps it would be simplest if Charles simply changed his sex. I understand from posters here that the UK is generally fine with that sort of thing. I am not entirely sure but I think it is gender he would need to change.

10th September 2022, 06:39 PM	#537
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,040	Originally Posted by Samson I am not entirely sure but I think it is gender he would need to change. If I were Charles I'd change just about everything. Go back to the character creation screen and start over.
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10th September 2022, 07:22 PM	#538
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 33,607	Originally Posted by GlennB I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs It's the same here for crissakes! A couple of the network TV channels have had virtually 24-hour coverage of something to do with QE2 or the Royle family since she croaked. Utterly ridiculous. Originally Posted by lionking We are now having a nation-wide public holiday on 22 September in Australia. Everyone has gone insane here. I was just coming in to see if that had been mentioned yet. Cabinet here will follow suit tomorrow morning for sure. Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000. Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that.
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10th September 2022, 07:29 PM	#539
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,483	Originally Posted by The Atheist I was just coming in to see if that had been mentioned yet. Cabinet here will follow suit tomorrow morning for sure. Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000. Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that. It's even worse in Victoria, where 23/09 is a holiday for the AFL Grand Final (which I don't think anyone asked for) so we have a four day weekend. Not that workers in other states will not have the Friday off as well. Hideously expensive and not thought through.
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10th September 2022, 08:14 PM	#540
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,402	Originally Posted by The Atheist Surreal - the death of on old bag from a family that has done nothing good for New Zealand in all our history is going to cost employers almost $500,000,000. Just think how much good you could do with that much cash, and Aussie will be spending five times that. Originally Posted by lionking It's even worse in Victoria, where 23/09 is a holiday for the AFL Grand Final (which I don't think anyone asked for) so we have a four day weekend. Not that workers in other states will not have the Friday off as well. Hideously expensive and not thought through. Sorry, but why is it going to be so expensive for an impromptu national holiday? Were these things really "not thought through" given that the death of the Queen was all but inevitable at some point, unless she had finally ripped off the mask and pointed out that David Icke was right and she was a reptilian shape-shifter and was actually immortal? Were people really counting on that as a possibility? What do the opinion polls say about this? Wouldn't holiday spending offset much of this?
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10th September 2022, 09:00 PM	#541
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 53,483	Originally Posted by angrysoba Sorry, but why is it going to be so expensive for an impromptu national holiday? What do the opinion polls say about this? Wouldn't holiday spending offset much of this? Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more. Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least. And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles! I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering.
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10th September 2022, 09:12 PM	#542
a_unique_person Director of Hatcheries and Conditioning Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waiting for the pod bay door to open. Posts: 45,256	Originally Posted by GlennB I've been avoiding BBC TV news for a while, having read that they're not even doing the hourly weather forecasts, just wall-to-wall QEII stuff. I checked it out and it's true. The forecast is at hh:58 or so and it was missing. Rolled back the time slider and checked a few different hours ... no weather. ffs I find it hard to believe there is that much interest in this event in Australia. Our head of state lives on the other side of the planet and may visit here once in blue moon. I did see her drive by once. I was walking along the main drag in Melbourne and saw a small stand erected for the public to stand on. I wondered what was going on. It turns out the Queen was going to be passing by. Sure enough, about five minutes later a limousine drove past and some people cheered and waved. That was it. Oh well, I get a public holiday out of it twice this year instead of the usual one. Once for the birthday and once for the funeral.
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10th September 2022, 09:49 PM	#543
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 9,912	The more holidays the better as far as I am concerned. Not that I will probably see any benefit from it - I get nothing extra for working on a bank holiday.

10th September 2022, 09:59 PM	#544
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,402	Originally Posted by lionking Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more. Good for them. Originally Posted by lionking Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least. And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles! I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering. I guess lots of things cost money. But if you are going to have a public holiday for the Queen's birthday, it hardly seems extraordinary to have one for her funeral as well. As for the Queen's involvement in the constitutional crisis, has it ever been determined that she did anything at all? I thought it was a spat between the PM and the Governor-General, and that it was the GG who overstepped. I don't really know the details, but just browsing, I don't find anything conclusive about her being involved, and in fact Whitlam himself seems to have dismissed the idea (I could be wrong, of course, and it could be that more recent revelations have shown this to be true). As for her comments on Scotland or the EU, they are about as bland as humanly possible and ambiguous too, however they were spun. (Oh wait, looks like neither side found them helpful, if I am reading this correctly... ) Quote: The Queen's remarks were interpreted by no campaigners as helpful to their cause. Link And, yes, the the queen, or rather the king, now, is still head of state in Australia and New Zealand; the armed forces swear an oath of allegiance to him. Here it is... Quote: I, (name), swear that I will well and truly serve His Majesty King Charles the Third, His Heirs and Successors according to law, as a member of the (insert Royal Australian Navy , Australian Army , or Royal Australian Air Force ) ... and that I will resist his enemies and faithfully discharge my duty according to law. SO HELP ME GOD! New Zealand one is pretty similar. It seems pretty clear that while Australia and New Zealand are consitutional monarchies, they will obviously have days devoted to the monarch like this. If they don't want them, they may as well campaign for a republic. But to be smart, don't base your campaign on slogans like "I'm sick of these holidays costing businesses money and meaning wage earners get higher pay".
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10th September 2022, 10:19 PM	#545
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Took a second look at the costumed soldiers at the procalimation in the City of London, and now I am changing my description;Thye are much more English CIvil War period then Elizabethan. The one in charge has a classic "lobster" helmet. I wondder if they are not portraying one of the London "Trained Bands" basically the miltia of the City of London, who sided with Parliament when the Civil War broke out.

10th September 2022, 10:25 PM	#546
dudalb Suspended Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,604	Originally Posted by lionking Lost production is very costly, plus those who work on public holidays earn 25-50% more. Australia has more public holidays than the US or the UK, but not as many as a lot of countries. It's just that this one is unnecessary in my view. Monarchists and politicians not wanting to see a republic preach to the rest of us that "the queen is not important. It's only symbolic so don't change things", and we are now getting public holidays and the airwaves saturated by all things House Windsor. Seems pretty important to some minds at least. And we are now being browbeaten into showing respect and regard to that loon Charles! I think the queen's role in the dismissal of Gough Whitlam was shameful - if she can advise Scots to think hard about voting to leave the UK, so she is not totally apolitical. She should have asked more questions in 1975. But I do not hate her. She did her duty pretty well, far better than Charles will do in my strong view. But the over the top response in a country so far away is just bewildering. Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not. Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot.

10th September 2022, 10:45 PM	#547
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 66,040	Originally Posted by dudalb Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not. Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot. There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty. Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second. Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious.
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10th September 2022, 10:57 PM	#548
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 34,402	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty. Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second. Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious. Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice.
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10th September 2022, 11:32 PM	#549
Filippo Lippi Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 4,377	Originally Posted by angrysoba Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice. Barry has hung up his wig and specs, otherwise it's a good shout
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10th September 2022, 11:40 PM	#550
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 36,618	Even Radio 6 seems to have a very restricted playlist right now. I've listened to it maybe five times in the last three days for a total of three hours and the same songs keep popping up including a fairly obscure White Denim album track and Everybody Loves the Summertime. Got more than a week of this to look forward to, thank goodness for streaming services.

11th September 2022, 12:07 AM	#551
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,986	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey There are more options than just "King Chuck Pt III" or "republic": you could select a different person to be the monarch. Australia could import a monarch from another franchise, just as the UK did before. Or crown an actual Australian and start a new, fresh dynasty. King Bruce the Firsterest, First Bloke and Chief Bottle-washer. Quote: Or skip a few steps and move into the future by monarchizing a powerful A.I. that will rule with cold logic and piping hot circuits, it could perform its royal duties 100,000 times a second. That means everyone in Australia would have been given a knighthood in just over 4 minutes. Awesome! Quote: Or to really get their goat invite Harry and Meghan to be the new king and queen. That would be hilarious. King Hazza and Queen Megs... Has a certain je ne c'est quoi.
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11th September 2022, 12:08 AM	#552
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,986	Originally Posted by angrysoba Promoting Dame Edna Everage to queen would be the most obvious choice. Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi Barry has hung up his wig and specs, otherwise it's a good shout I had the strongest impression Dame Edna WAS already our queen...!
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11th September 2022, 12:40 AM	#553
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Dharug & Gundungurra Posts: 14,986	Originally Posted by dudalb Or maybe Australians are divided on becomng a republic or not. Of course I have encountered a couple of Aussies who not like the British at all the term "Bloody Pommies" is used a lot. We are indeed divided on becoming a republic. You can find staunch royalists no problem. Us republicans (absolutely no relation to US Republicans) are getting quietly more common. It remains a current topic locally. Generally, the attitude has been that we should "wait until Lizzy dies, then become a republic". She has, so we quite possibly may. However Lizzy's popularity as a notable person was much appreciated, as have been some other royals, British and otherwise. But generally we are not equating liking her sense of humour with ardent monarchism. You need to separate opinions on Australian republicanism from the dreadful 1970's Bazza Mackenzie-like sneering disdain for all things Pommy, i.e. British, which is (thankfully) a dying attitude here. It's common for us to "sledge" each other.
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11th September 2022, 01:23 AM	#554
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 32,715	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey If I were Charles I'd change just about everything. Go back to the character creation screen and start over. Charles' contretemps with the inkwells was pure Spinal Tap. Nurse!
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11th September 2022, 01:51 AM	#556
SteveAitch Muse Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 800	Originally Posted by Craig4 Britbox posted this week's Gardener's World yesterday. As it's a clip show this week, I expect it was in the can when the queen died. I'm not sure if it aired in the UK on BBC though. I expect next week it will be another clip show of Liz going around Chelsea in the royal golf cart and showing off her gardens. Bit late on this, sorry! But yes, it was on at the normal time, as was this morning's repeat. Interestingly, this week's Radio Times (out a few days before the death) describes the repeat it as what it was - a wildlife gardening special - as does last weeks describe the first broadcast of it, so I don't think it was a cobbled together clips job. Though next weeks...
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