Merged: UK Queen dead? Dying?/Liz Mountbatten's death

[Francesca R]

Originally Posted by dudalb

In the most unsuprising news, Pesident Biden has accepted the formal invitation to attend the funeral.

The UK government is apparently asking foreign dignitaries to book commercial flights and use shared buses. It also says Heathrow has no space for private jets.

But I assume Biden will arrive at Stansted on air force 1 and catch a copter to Regents Park anyway

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by GlennB

Has "I vow to thee my country" featured yet? I'll bet it does, quite prominently.

That was Diana's favourite and played at her funeral. Philip had Guide Me O Thou Great Redeemer so might not be included in the funeral if only to avoid repetition.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

Talking about dogs. Confirmed. New owner found for corgis.

Can't complain about Andrew being rehabilitated on the sly - the Queen has just died.

[Vixen]

Originally Posted by LondonJohn

Nope.

The August Bank Holiday weekend in 1997 was the weekend of Saturday 23rd August - Monday 25th August.

Diana's death was the following weekend: she died in the early hours of Sunday 31st August.

And her funeral was a week later, on Saturday 6th September.

So what you say you experienced could not in fact have been accurate.

For myself, I was in Singapore on business on that last weekend in August (and I missed the wedding of a good friend on Saturday 30th as a result). On Sunday 31st, I woke up at around 08:30am local time (which was 01:30 UK time and 02:30 France time) and put on CNN in my hotel room just to have on in the background while I had some breakfast. I then actually saw the entire story unfold from its very first sketchy breaking details through to the announcement of her death (which I think was announced at around 05:00 UK time - around midday in Singapore). I phoned my parents at around 03:30 UK time, because I thought they would be interested in watching the escalating drama (they were).

I flew back into Heathrow on the day of the funeral (Saturday 6th September). I got a car from LHR to my apartment in NW London, and there were barely any cars on the road - though granted, it was around 06:30 I think.


ETA: You're also wrong about what did and did not happen on Sunday 31st August or Monday 1st September (and remember, this was not the bank holiday weekend - that was the previous weekend). Charles did indeed fly out to Paris and accompanied Diana's body back on Sunday 31st August. But the aircraft flew into RAF Northolt (in NW London for those unfamiliar), and her body was taken from there to a mortuary in Hammersmith (West London) for an autopsy. From there, her body was taken to St James' Palace (Central London) and then to Kensington Palace (Central London), before being taken to Westminster Abbey for the funeral.

The only time Diana's body travelled up the M1 was on the afternoon of Saturday 6th September, when it was taken up to Althorp for burial. That was six days after her death and her repatriation to UK. And two weeks after the bank holiday weekend.....

It was a Sunday evening as I said:

At 6.50pm on the evening of Sunday, August 31 1997, a BAe 146 of the Royal Squadron landed at RAF Northolt carrying the body of Diana, Princess of Wales.

As you can see from this youtube clip, 41:15 the body was initially taken to 'a private mortuary' via 'the British countryside'. It was not televised which is probably why you erroneously assume it was driven to central London.

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I might have been incorrect about it being a bank holiday weekend but we definately passed the hearse travelling in the opposite direction northwards on the M1. We usually connected to the A1 to return via Highgate.

ETA: I sent M. a WhatsApp to see what he remembered and he says we drove back to London the same day we heard she'd died. We watched the funeral at home (which M avoided like the plague).

[Lothian]

Originally Posted by Francesca R

The UK government is apparently asking foreign dignitaries to book commercial flights and use shared buses.

I thought dinghys across the channel was the main route for foreigners to enter the UK or have I been reading the wrong papers?

[lionking]

The news reports here are still full of royalist crap. Including a report that Charles went to work today and it was a great that he could take a break from mourning and move on with his duty. His work? Having a cup of tea with puffed up diplomats. He has never done a real day’s work in his life.

[Francesca R]

Originally Posted by Lothian

I thought dinghys across the channel was the main route for foreigners to enter the UK or have I been reading the wrong papers?

No most of the folks coming over have college degrees (they didn't all study for them) and a few quid in the bank (not from skilled work) so they probably can leapfrog the processing / detention centres.

[Nessie]

The Queen enjoyed a lot of respect. The rest of the Royal Family, less so.

I predict a rush of countries ditching the Monarch as head of state and a general move to sideline the Monarchy from many of its remaining political roles, such as the state opening of Parliament and the PM having to report to the King on certain matters.

We were in a restaurant when news broke, to little reaction and a few comments about not being interested in royalty any more. Apart from football cancelling, which I think goes back to the controversy when Diana died, life has carried on as normal.

The booing and protests that have followed the Queen's body procession and various investiture ceremonies for the King, are again a change from when Diana died.

It evidences how much the monarchy has fallen out of favour. It is an ancient institution that massively benefits from the now better recognised evils of British colonialism and people have now discovered they are more interested in the life of Sharon from Essex on Love Island than they are in what a royal is up to.

[a_unique_person]

In the latest news update, the queen is still dead.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

The Queen enjoyed a lot of respect. The rest of the Royal Family, less so.

I predict a rush of countries ditching the Monarch as head of state and a general move to sideline the Monarchy from many of its remaining political roles, such as the state opening of Parliament and the PM having to report to the King on certain matters.

We were in a restaurant when news broke, to little reaction and a few comments about not being interested in royalty any more. Apart from football cancelling, which I think goes back to the controversy when Diana died, life has carried on as normal.

The booing and protests that have followed the Queen's body procession and various investiture ceremonies for the King, are again a change from when Diana died.

It evidences how much the monarchy has fallen out of favour. It is an ancient institution that massively benefits from the now better recognised evils of British colonialism and people have now discovered they are more interested in the life of Sharon from Essex on Love Island than they are in what a royal is up to.

Not seen those - any links?

ETA: Boos by what sounds like one person at the Edinburgh accession proclamation
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...-proclamation/

More boos at proclamation https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...g-charles-iii/

Can't find any boos towards her hearse.

[zooterkin]

Originally Posted by a_unique_person

In the latest news update, the queen is still dead.

Long live the King!

[Rolfe]

I suspect Charlie-boy may have had to do the odd day's work back in his Action Man period, what with the Cod Wars and all that.

[catsmate]

Originally Posted by Darat

Not seen those - any links?

ETA: Boos by what sounds like one person at the Edinburgh accession proclamation
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...-proclamation/

More boos at proclamation https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...g-charles-iii/

Can't find any boos towards her hearse.

There was a small pro-Republic demonstration in Wales.

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Darat

Not seen those - any links?

ETA: Boos by what sounds like one person at the Edinburgh accession proclamation
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/...-proclamation/

More boos at proclamation https://www.heraldscotland.com/polit...g-charles-iii/

Can't find any boos towards her hearse.

I also said protests, a woman was arrested for displaying an offensive message, as the hearse went by in Edinburgh;

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/11/woman...metrouktwitter

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

I also said protests, a woman was arrested for displaying an offensive message, as the hearse went by in Edinburgh;

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/11/woman...metrouktwitter

I was hoping for something more substantial! Sadly our republican movement is at Father Ted standards of protesting.

(The woman wasn't holding up her sign at the hearse.)

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Rolfe

I suspect Charlie-boy may have had to do the odd day's work back in his Action Man period, what with the Cod Wars and all that.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

[Chanakya]

Originally Posted by Nessie

The Queen enjoyed a lot of respect. The rest of the Royal Family, less so.

I predict a rush of countries ditching the Monarch as head of state and a general move to sideline the Monarchy from many of its remaining political roles, such as the state opening of Parliament and the PM having to report to the King on certain matters.

We were in a restaurant when news broke, to little reaction and a few comments about not being interested in royalty any more. Apart from football cancelling, which I think goes back to the controversy when Diana died, life has carried on as normal.

The booing and protests that have followed the Queen's body procession and various investiture ceremonies for the King, are again a change from when Diana died.

It evidences how much the monarchy has fallen out of favour. It is an ancient institution that massively benefits from the now better recognised evils of British colonialism and people have now discovered they are more interested in the life of Sharon from Essex on Love Island than they are in what a royal is up to.

Not sure if you're being ironic or if you meant that literally --- I mean, actually boos right after the queen's dead, and literally following her "body procession", that sounds a bit unlikely to me, but I don't really know one way or the other --- but in any case it is likely that soon enough other countries than the UK will eject the monarchy, and probably the UK might follow suit as well, if maybe a few years/decades later. And thay can stop that from happening if they really wanted to, stop other countries and eventually the UK ditching the royals. They could bring in that other famous Brit export --- except this one is far more widely admired --- which is their/your comedians.

Just get rid of this lot, and take away their palaces and their obscene landholding and unearned wealth. Keep aside one castle, and a decent allowance (decent but peanuts compared to what this lots eats up), and with that releatively very small investement install say, Rowan Atkinson as king and, say, John Cleese as queen consort (or maybe the other way around). Maybe put in that original Office guy with the funny accent, Ricky Gervaise, as prince of Wales. With Mr Bean and Monty Python turning up as mock king and mock queen consort to shake hands and cut ribbons and make totally inconsequential speeches, with a fat prince of Wales in shorts and school uniform or something like that spitting out the occasional random profanity and mock-dissing people left and right at random, I don't think anyone will want to eject the monarchy. And they don't even need to prance around too much, probably just the occasional witticism or joke will suffice.

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Darat

I was hoping for something more substantial! Sadly our republican movement is at Father Ted standards of protesting.

(The woman wasn't holding up her sign at the hearse.)

The news report suggests she was arrested before the hearse got there, a journalist I communicated with on twitter had suggested otherwise. Having seen the procession of vehicles, I can see why that is under dispute. There was more than one hearse, it appears there was one there in case the other broke down.

I am surprised that there has been anything. The closest to a protest at Diana's funeral was the crowd outside the church braking with tradition and applauding her brother Earl Spenser's eulogy, which at the time was seen as muted protest at the Royals for the way they treated Diana.

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Chanakya

Not sure if you're being ironic or if you meant that literally --- I mean, actually boos right after the queen's dead, and literally following her "body procession", that sounds a bit unlikely to me, but I don't really know one way or the other....

I said "The booing and protests that have followed the Queen's body procession and various investiture ceremonies for the King, are again a change from when Diana died."

To be more accurate I should have said "The booing at the Scottish investiture ceremony for the King and the protest that preceded the Queen's body procession, are again a change from when Diana died."

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

The news report suggests she was arrested before the hearse got there, a journalist I communicated with on twitter had suggested otherwise. Having seen the procession of vehicles, I can see why that is under dispute. There was more than one hearse, it appears there was one there in case the other broke down.

I am surprised that there has been anything. The closest to a protest at Diana's funeral was the crowd outside the church braking with tradition and applauding her brother Earl Spenser's eulogy, which at the time was seen as muted protest at the Royals for the way they treated Diana.

Shhssss.... We are all meant to have forgotten the pitchforks and torches being readied for the Queen back then, we've always loved her with our whole heart, and no one ever has ever said a bad word about her, just like we've always held Camilia in the highest regard and thought what a lovely consort she is to the sad figure of Charles, and who hasn't been jealous of Charles for being her tampon.....

[Nessie]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/12/andre...form-17357991/

"Prince Andrew was heckled as he joined his brother King Charles in a procession behind their mother’s coffin.
The disgraced Duke of York, who stepped back from his royal duties amid outrage at his relationship with paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein, followed the hearse carrying the Queen’s casket as it slowly moved down the Royal Mile in Edinburgh.
‘Andrew, you’re a sick old man,’ someone in the dense crowd of people shouted."

The male in question as arrested. Like the female arrested for displaying a sign protesting the monarchy, the arrest is likely a common-law one, where the police can arrest someone for their own safety, usually to protect an individual from the baying crowd.

[Nessie]

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/12/king-...eech-17355046/

This one was in London;

"An anti-Royal protester holding a poster with the slogan ‘Not my king’ has been pictured being led away by police.
The protester – also seen with a sign saying ‘Abolish the monarchy’ – was moved on by officers as King Charles III addressed parliament for the first time as Britain’s monarch this morning."

[Darat]

Typical - the ones who should have been arrested were those that obviously assaulted him.

If the Royals don't want such protests then they could decide not to do such a walk in public or simply leave the serial sexual assaulter behind. Problem solved. Surprised Andrew wasn't carrying a corgi.

[Nessie]

Here is another, at an investiture ceremony in Thames Valley

https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/s...01071012429825

It is alleged the arrest took place after the male only shouted out the Pythonesque protest of "who elected him?".

[Craig4]

What the hell were they thinking, bringing Andrew out in public like that? What did they think was going to happen?

[Chanakya]

On what charge do they arrest these people? Something like "disturbing the peace", or something trivial like that? Or do you guys still have those weirdo lese majeste laws in UK (that sick law that, for instance, I remember reading about as used with a heavy hand maybe a year or two or three ago in Thailand)?

It's good that these things are happening. It's good that people who heckle Charles are getting manhandled. It's good that that pedo has been brought out in the open, that he's been booed, and that people are getting arrested for doing that. Maybe the country will grow a collective spine and do something about the legions of freeloaders that batten off of the people who actually earn money in your country. I'm talking not only about the monarchy, but also about the whole hordes of the "aristocracy" that, to us outsiders, look kind of cute and picturesque with their castles and titles and whatnot, but do in fact often own serious amounts of property and wealth that is perpetuated generation after generation, as well as actually have an entire House reserved for them, how utterly revolting is that latter (to you UKians I mean, we non-UKians get to enjoy the spectacle they provide).

Maybe this will finally move you guys to eject these freeloading kings and consorts and princes and dukes and duchesses and other assorted species living lives of unearned and entirely undeserved luxury.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Chanakya

On what charge do they arrest these people? Something like "disturbing the peace", or something trivial like that? Or do you guys still have those weirdo lese majeste laws in UK (that sick law that, for instance, I remember reading about as used with a heavy hand maybe a year or two or three ago in Thailand)? ...snip...

We do still have treason and a bloke was charged with that just recently. But that's not for these arrests - they are being arrested under "public disturbance" laws - hopefully they can find good civil rights lawyers and be able to sue the police for false arrests.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Craig4

What the hell were they thinking, bringing Andrew out in public like that? What did they think was going to happen?

Don't be fooled by the PR - they like the Queen did, do what they like, when they like.

[zooterkin]

Now we have Charles III, there's a suggestion the Post Office could be rebranded C3PO.

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Craig4

What the hell were they thinking, bringing Andrew out in public like that? What did they think was going to happen?

What did happen, is he had a little feel of his daughter's bottom;

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1569058241941749763

[GlennB]

Originally Posted by Nessie

What did happen, is he had a little feel of his daughter's bottom;

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1569058241941749763

Jesus H Christ

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Chanakya

On what charge do they arrest these people? Something like "disturbing the peace", or something trivial like that? Or do you guys still have those weirdo lese majeste laws in UK (that sick law that, for instance, I remember reading about as used with a heavy hand maybe a year or two or three ago in Thailand)?

It's good that these things are happening. It's good that people who heckle Charles are getting manhandled. It's good that that pedo has been brought out in the open, that he's been booed, and that people are getting arrested for doing that. Maybe the country will grow a collective spine and do something about the legions of freeloaders that batten off of the people who actually earn money in your country. I'm talking not only about the monarchy, but also about the whole hordes of the "aristocracy" that, to us outsiders, look kind of cute and picturesque with their castles and titles and whatnot, but do in fact often own serious amounts of property and wealth that is perpetuated generation after generation, as well as actually have an entire House reserved for them, how utterly revolting is that latter (to you UKians I mean, we non-UKians get to enjoy the spectacle they provide).

Maybe this will finally move you guys to eject these freeloading kings and consorts and princes and dukes and duchesses and other assorted species living lives of unearned and entirely undeserved luxury.

One report of an arrest, has now been clarified as a lady being moved to another location to get away from a gate, she was not arrested. The two arrests in Scotland are under S38 CLJSA;

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/13/section/38

"38Threatening or abusive behaviour
(1)A person (“A”) commits an offence if—
(a)A behaves in a threatening or abusive manner,
(b)the behaviour would be likely to cause a reasonable person to suffer fear or alarm, and
(c)A intends by the behaviour to cause fear or alarm or is reckless as to whether the behaviour would cause fear or alarm.
(2)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to show that the behaviour was, in the particular circumstances, reasonable."

However, there is also an argument that the police had a power of arrest under common law, as the crowds were very unhappy at the protests and the male who shouted at Prince Andrew was attacked, whereby the police arrest to make someone safe and to stop a minor act ending up in a riot.

I can see how the law applies, as causing offence at a funeral is not like the same act during a debate, or in the pub. An identical action can be legal in one set of circumstances and illegal at another.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

One report of an arrest, has now been clarified as a lady being moved to another location to get away from a gate, she was not arrested. The two arrests in Scotland are under S38 CLJSA;

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/13/section/38

"38Threatening or abusive behaviour
(1)A person (“A”) commits an offence if—
(a)A behaves in a threatening or abusive manner,
(b)the behaviour would be likely to cause a reasonable person to suffer fear or alarm, and
(c)A intends by the behaviour to cause fear or alarm or is reckless as to whether the behaviour would cause fear or alarm.
(2)It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to show that the behaviour was, in the particular circumstances, reasonable."

However, there is also an argument that the police had a power of arrest under common law, as the crowds were very unhappy at the protests and the male who shouted at Prince Andrew was attacked, whereby the police arrest to make someone safe and to stop a minor act ending up in a riot.

I can see how the law applies, as causing offence at a funeral is not like the same act during a debate, or in the pub. An identical action can be legal in one set of circumstances and illegal at another.

It wasn't a funeral - it was literally a coffin being moved a few hundred yards.

[The Don]

Originally Posted by Darat

It wasn't a funeral - it was literally a coffin being moved a few hundred yards.

All anti-monarchist sentiment must be suppressed at this time of unprecedented national mourning.

Everyone must be suitably morose for the entire period of national mourning because a 96 year old person dying, apparently without undue suffering, surrounded by their family is something to be disconsolate about for a week and a half.

By all means wail and gnash your teeth if that's your thing, but don't force me to do so or come on all judgemental if I fail to meet your arbitrary standards for grief.

[JoeMorgue]

It does seem like "How dare you do this during a funeral" (and variations thereof) can be countered by "Yeah my funeral isn't going shut down an entire country so my coffin can be driven through the city."

"Nobody have an opinion at all during the 192 mandated days of official mourning" is a bit much.

No it's NOT the same thing as being pissed that someone ran up with a "End Riverboat Gambling on the Mississippi" sign or whatever and shoved it in my grieving wife's face while they were still lowering the coffin in. Normal people's entire grieving process is a small, private affair.

When you spread your influence out more you don't get to complain as much about people getting in its way.

[Nessie]

Originally Posted by Darat

It wasn't a funeral - it was literally a coffin being moved a few hundred yards.

Which is a part of the funeral for the Queen. Are you going to argue a funeral is only the point the coffin is lowered into the ground? Or when the curtains close as the body goes for cremation? A funeral surely starts with the moving of the body in the coffin to where it will be buried.

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by Nessie

A funeral surely starts with the moving of the body in the coffin to where it will be buried.

Yeah and like I said this sort of become a fundamentally different thing when it's not "Moving the body from Gary's Funeral Home on 8th Street to the Rosemont Cemetery on 12th Street" like it is for us commoners.

When you're moving your coffin down the street for hours like it's the goddamn Tournament of Roses Parade the rules change a bit.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

Which is a part of the funeral for the Queen. Are you going to argue a funeral is only the point the coffin is lowered into the ground? Or when the curtains close as the body goes for cremation? A funeral surely starts with the moving of the body in the coffin to where it will be buried.

According to the Palace the funeral in on Monday 19th.

None of this rigmarole is the funeral.

[lobosrul5]

Originally Posted by Darat

I was hoping for something more substantial! Sadly our republican movement is at Father Ted standards of protesting.

(The woman wasn't holding up her sign at the hearse.)

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[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Darat

I was hoping for something more substantial! Sadly our republican movement is at Father Ted standards of protesting.

Down with this sort of thing!