Merged: UK Queen dead? Dying?/Liz Mountbatten's death

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Francesca R

The UK government is apparently asking foreign dignitaries to book commercial flights and use shared buses. It also says Heathrow has no space for private jets.

But I assume Biden will arrive at Stansted on air force 1 and catch a copter to Regents Park anyway

US has half a dozen air bases in the UK, Biden could fly into one of those then use a copter to get to London.
Not sure how the head of states on commerical flights is going to work out.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Craig4

What the hell were they thinking, bringing Andrew out in public like that? What did they think was going to happen?

My thoughts exactly.

[dudalb]

Originally Posted by Rolfe

Is it really? The music I associate with that film is obviously the Beethoven 9th, and I hadn't remembered the Purcell was in it. Of course, I think that when I saw the film in around 1973 or thereabouts, I wasn't familiar with the Purcell.

I wasn't involved in a concert that included the music until, I think, 1988.

Yes, It is heard over the main opening credits and repeated a couple of times in the film as a counter point to a little bit of the old ultraviolence.

[Craig4]

Originally Posted by Nessie

What did happen, is he had a little feel of his daughter's bottom;

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1569058241941749763

Wow, just wow. They should assign a minder for Andy until Lizzy is planted and he goes back to the sex offender retreat they have him living in.

I understand that the Royal Navy doesn't want him wearing their uniform. That's a stunning rebuke from the people that brought you rum, sodomy and the lash.

[The Atheist]

The conspiracies are true - she's not really dead! Clearly, the old bag has just retreated to hide before she gets exposed as the baby-eating monster she really is.

Evidence!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/r...from-the-queen

[zooterkin]

At a time when food banks are in more demand than ever, people are leaving marmalade sandwiches in memory of the Queen.

Quote:

People leaving tributes to the late Queen Elizabeth II have been asked not to leave Paddington Bear soft toys, marmalade sandwiches, and to remove the wrapping from flowers in an effort to make the tributes more sustainable.

[Puppycow]

We become accustomed to this monarchy and take it for granted but it truly is an anachronism, isn’t it?

Note how in her later years, the queen was rarely seen with the trappings of her office like the crown, scepter and sitting on a throne. The Crown Jewels are put away in a museum. Has King Charlie been seen wearing a crown yet? I’ll wager he hasn’t, because it would look silly.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by dudalb

US has half a dozen air bases in the UK, Biden could fly into one of those then use a copter to get to London.
Not sure how the head of states on commerical flights is going to work out.

It really isn't unusual.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by zooterkin

At a time when food banks are in more demand than ever, people are leaving marmalade sandwiches in memory of the Queen.

And as usual it's a lie spun in a half-truth. Removing the plastic makes it cheaper for the clean-up work - if they don't just want to dump them in a landfill - it does not make it any "more sustainable" if they
were purchased in plastic wrap. So in other words -what's best for them, as if the cost will be borne by them.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

We become accustomed to this monarchy and take it for granted but it truly is an anachronism, isn’t it?

Note how in her later years, the queen was rarely seen with the trappings of her office like the crown, scepter and sitting on a throne. The Crown Jewels are put away in a museum. Has King Charlie been seen wearing a crown yet? I’ll wager he hasn’t, because it would look silly.

In all her years, nothing to do with her age, she would wear one at the opening of parliament and a few other official occasions, crown wearing has always been a ceremonial thing.

[Carrot Flower King]

Some more on arrests and threats of arrests by various branches of the Thought Police.

Note that this includes one, a barrister, who was threatened with arrest if he had written "Not my king" on a piece of paper in Parliament Square, so nowhere near where Brenda's body actually is, so any stretching of "funeral" has to cover about 300 miles.

Even the sodding Graun is up to this thought police nonsense (despite the hypocrisy of today's Graun view), as I had a BTL post taken out for having the temerity to say that Chucky will pay less IHT than I did (true), while the contents of Brenda's will won't be made public (also true), and how different all this is for their "subjects". Those are the mildly disrespectful terms I have used for these figures since I cannot remember when (just in case anyone doesn't know, "Brenda" is an old Private Eye-ism; they also call Charles "Brian", but I don't like that as much) and it would be rather odd to change now. Unless the Graun was objecting to an inconvenient pointing put that they are not subject to all the same laws as the rest of us, as doing so just now would be something or other...

[Darat]

Just think - probably be doing this all again in just 20 years - probably still be working when they push up the pension age to take into account the costs of this funeral, energy company profits and so on!

[The Atheist]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Some more on arrests and threats of arrests by various branches of the Thought Police.

Note that this includes one, a barrister, who was threatened with arrest if he had written "Not my king" on a piece of paper in Parliament Square, so nowhere near where Brenda's body actually is, so any stretching of "funeral" has to cover about 300 miles.

Even the sodding Graun is up to this thought police nonsense (despite the hypocrisy of today's Graun view), as I had a BTL post taken out for having the temerity to say that Chucky will pay less IHT than I did (true), while the contents of Brenda's will won't be made public (also true), and how different all this is for their "subjects". Those are the mildly disrespectful terms I have used for these figures since I cannot remember when (just in case anyone doesn't know, "Brenda" is an old Private Eye-ism; they also call Charles "Brian", but I don't like that as much) and it would be rather odd to change now. Unless the Graun was objecting to an inconvenient pointing put that they are not subject to all the same laws as the rest of us, as doing so just now would be something or other...

Jesus H Christ.

That's plain insane. If you go near Orwell's grave, your compass won't work he'll be spinning so fast.

Do we know what these people have been charged with yet? Or are they just arrested and let go to piss them off?

[Mr Fied]

Originally Posted by Darat

Just think - probably be doing this all again in just 20 years - probably still be working when they push up the pension age to take into account the costs of this funeral, energy company profits and so on!

I was hoping she had taken out over 55 life cover so that her family were not burdened with the funeral expense.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Jesus H Christ.

That's plain insane. If you go near Orwell's grave, your compass won't work he'll be spinning so fast.

Do we know what these people have been charged with yet? Or are they just arrested and let go to piss them off?

Per the linked article, and reports I heard on BBC radio, it's breach of the peace and offences under the Public Order Act. The lass in Edinburgh is set to appear at the local sheriff court; I don't know about any of the others.

The plod who threatened the barrister said someone might be offended if he wrote "Not my king" on his piece of paper, so that would breach the Public Order Act.

If we are applying that test, then I have a long list of folk who should be arrested, as they most definitely offend me: our ex-PM; our current PM; Chucky "I love homeopathy and why won't you do what I say?" Windsor; most of the rest of Chucky's family; money-grubbing, land-owning aristocrats, like the Duke of Northumberland; Ian "Lord of Grouse Shooting and Being a Lick Spittle, but didn't you know I was good at cricket once?" Botham; managers who spread lies and rumours about me in an effort to get me sacked...

Just sodding ridiculous, isn't it?

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Mr Fied

I was hoping she had taken out over 55 life cover so that her family were not burdened with the funeral expense.

You know how tight they are with "their" money - she only took it out to get the pen and the £100 M&S gift card. Jacked it in after 6 months.

[Rolfe]

Something about someone being in some sort of trouble for allegedly being seen with eggs somewhere in the vicinity of the cortège?

[Mojo]

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Has King Charlie been seen wearing a crown yet?

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...iality-cartoon

[Carrot Flower King]

And another person charged in connection with this malarkey.

Dunno what he said about Andrew, but chances are it was just telling the truth.

[Chanakya]

This is completely, totally insupportable. Had I been a UKian, I'd certainly had my blood pressure shoot up just thinking about it. Even as it is, personally having exactly zero to do with what happens in your country, just thinking about it gets me more ...furious, than might be strictly reasonable I suppose, given I have zero stake here.

These whole legions of freeloading species of "titles", in this day and age living the way they do and doing what they do with near impunity. This Andrew character, this disgusting pedo --- well okay, likely pedo, alleged pedo --- gets to parade around with complete impunity, while people who simply shout out their outrage with this disgusting creep, or simply write out their protest quietly on a piece of paper, get ******* hauled off by the police, while the ******* pedo goes on with his life, wallowing in his unearned undeserved luxury, and eminence even, same as his freeloading and "eminent" brothers and cousins and friends?!!!

How the **** do you live with this, how? How the **** do you go around with your lives, while having these worthless freeloading ******** battening off of you day in and day out? I just don't ******* get it.



eta:

Originally Posted by Nessie

What did happen, is he had a little feel of his daughter's bottom;

https://twitter.com/RaggedTP/status/1569058241941749763

Had missed this. Wow, ******* wow. Words fail. This is ...******* crazy, this, this whole thing, all of it.

[ahhell]

Mostly I don't care but, lets not forget their really name is Battenburg cause the Germans!

Moderately interesting trivia, most of the remaining royal families of Europe are minor branches of former German Nobility.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Chanakya

This is completely, totally insupportable. Had I been a UKian, I'd certainly had my blood pressure shoot up just thinking about it. Even as it is, personally having exactly zero to do with what happens in your country, just thinking about it gets me more ...furious, than might be strictly reasonable I suppose, given I have zero stake here.

These whole legions of freeloading species of "titles", in this day and age living the way they do and doing what they do with near impunity. This Andrew character, this disgusting pedo --- well okay, likely pedo, alleged pedo --- gets to parade around with complete impunity, while people who simply shout out their outrage with this disgusting creep, or simply write out their protest quietly on a piece of paper, get ******* hauled off by the police, while the ******* pedo goes on with his life, wallowing in his unearned undeserved luxury same as his freeloading brothers and cousins and friends?!!!

How the **** do you live with this, how? How the **** do you go around with your lives, while having these worthless freeloading battening off of you day in and day out? I just don't ******* get it.

Sadly the royals have since Diane died been brilliant with their PR and have somehow convinced the country they are relevant.

I really do hope these folk who have been arrested do find good civil rights lawyers - none of these arrests should ever have happened. Especially looking at the bloke in Edinburgh - the police were next to him when he was assaulted by people and they only arrested him not the people assaulting him. Beyond disgusting.

[theprestige]

On the one hand, my sense of decorum says that a royal funerary procession is not the time or place to start this kind of ruckus, and the authorities were correct to remove (and perhaps correct to arrest) the people trying to start said ruckus.

On the other hand, my sense of decorum says Prince Scumbag should absent himself from any such public ceremonies of the royal family, having grossly stained its reputation and his own, and inviting such a ruckus wherever he appears. And if he lacks the wit to do that on his own initiative, the monarch should make it a royal decree.

(One begins to appreciate the advantages of inviting a troublesome relative to take up residence in a tower, or behind a mask, until the controversy blows over, or the rest of their life, whichever comes first or is more convenient.)

On the other/third/gripping hand, my sense of decorum says that if Prince Scumbag does appear at public ceremonies of the royal family, then it is totally appropriate for disgusted citizens to disrupt the ceremony with a public show of their disgust. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So while my knee jerk reaction was that people shouldn't be causing a scene at a royal funerary procession, my conclusion is that causing a ruckus and disrupting the procession is the higher form of respect.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by ahhell

Mostly I don't care but, lets not forget their really name is Battenburg cause the Germans!

Moderately interesting trivia, most of the remaining royal families of Europe are minor branches of former German Nobility.

It's complicated - like all the literally made up stuff they claim is tradition and so on.

Victoria's male descendants belonged to the "House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha", they then because of bad PR changed it to (the completely-non-historical- precedent-but-we-are-all-about-tradition-until-we-want-to-do-something-different) "House of Windsor". Later on the last Queen decided she'd let her descendants use Mountbatten-Windsor when a surname was needed but the house would remain "Windsor". Yes they really do think these things are important....

[catsmate]

I see Charles will not be paying inheritance tax.

[Chanakya]

Originally Posted by theprestige

On the one hand, my sense of decorum says that a royal funerary procession is not the time or place to start this kind of ruckus, and the authorities were correct to remove (and perhaps correct to arrest) the people trying to start said ruckus.

On the other hand, my sense of decorum says Prince Scumbag should absent himself from any such public ceremonies of the royal family, having grossly stained its reputation and his own, and inviting such a ruckus wherever he appears. And if he lacks the wit to do that on his own initiative, the monarch should make it a royal decree.

(One begins to appreciate the advantages of inviting a troublesome relative to take up residence in a tower, or behind a mask, until the controversy blows over, or the rest of their life, whichever comes first or is more convenient.)

On the other/third/gripping hand, my sense of decorum says that if Prince Scumbag does appear at public ceremonies of the royal family, then it is totally appropriate for disgusted citizens to disrupt the ceremony with a public show of their disgust. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So while my knee jerk reaction was that people shouldn't be causing a scene at a royal funerary procession, my conclusion is that causing a ruckus and disrupting the procession is the higher form of respect.

On the fourth gripping hand, or gripping tail, or whatever, this whole collection of bozos, that we non-UKians generally enjoy watching and reading about, like a reality show before reality shows were even invented: they're basically a big fat middle finger not just rudely displayed but actually thrust right up the people's backside (the UKian people's backside), except those people seem to have got so inured to it that they do not even register the not negligible pain of it (just add up all of the unearned wealth and unearned costs to the treasury totted up by these monarchs and aristrocats), and more so the sheer indignity of it. That is the main thing, the sheer indignity of living in a set-up like that, the sheer injustice of putting up with this. Not simply whether a funeral was "indecorously" disturbed, or whatever --- this only puts the whole crazy setup into focus, that's all. The main thing is the underlying situation that has been there all along, and that will continue as if it is the most natural thing in the world.

What makes it so much worse is how so many of these idiots do this willingly. That young protester getting assuaulted wasn't the police --- that is, the police let it happen, but they didn't actually do it --- it was other UK citizens. Those guys chanting "Imhotep, Imhotep God save the king" over and over again like mindless zombies, I mean ....



*Takes a step back. Silly to get my pressure up over this after all.*

[Darat]

Originally Posted by catsmate

I see Charles will not be paying inheritance tax.

That's always been on the cards - it would be most unfair for him to pay tax on such a huge estate - he might have to sell stuff and imagine how that might effect his wealth! No much better he doesn't have to pay tax on it - it is what we all want after all.

[Nessie]

It is going to be odd seeing a whole load of stuff with the King on it. I think you need to be 75 or so to remember having a King.

[Darat]

Originally Posted by Nessie

It is going to be odd seeing a whole load of stuff with the King on it. I think you need to be 75 or so to remember having a King.

The expense must be hoorendous, especially since at most it will be for a couple of decades and then all change again.

I think it should be tipex until the old stationery runs out and stuck on fabric patches for the 'E's in all the ERs.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by catsmate

I see Charles will not be paying inheritance tax.

There is the usual blurring of what belongs to the Crown/nation and what belongs to the Sax-Coburg-Gotha-Mount-Windsor-Olé-Fertang-Fertang-Biscuit-Barrels or was inherited from Bowes-Lyons or somesuch as a private family, and always so that it is to the benefit of that lot.

As I pointed out elsewhere: I paid more IHT because I had to sell the house I grew up in than Chucky, the hereditary billionaire, will have to (IHT was set far lower then, so it didn't take much to get there). But we are all equal before the law...

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Chanakya

This is completely, totally insupportable. Had I been a UKian, I'd certainly had my blood pressure shoot up just thinking about it. Even as it is, personally having exactly zero to do with what happens in your country, just thinking about it gets me more ...furious, than might be strictly reasonable I suppose, given I have zero stake here.

These whole legions of freeloading species of "titles", in this day and age living the way they do and doing what they do with near impunity. This Andrew character, this disgusting pedo --- well okay, likely pedo, alleged pedo --- gets to parade around with complete impunity, while people who simply shout out their outrage with this disgusting creep, or simply write out their protest quietly on a piece of paper, get ******* hauled off by the police, while the ******* pedo goes on with his life, wallowing in his unearned undeserved luxury, and eminence even, same as his freeloading and "eminent" brothers and cousins and friends?!!!

How the **** do you live with this, how? How the **** do you go around with your lives, while having these worthless freeloading ******** battening off of you day in and day out? I just don't ******* get it.



eta:



Had missed this. Wow, ******* wow. Words fail. This is ...******* crazy, this, this whole thing, all of it.

Fortunately I'm on a whole barrel-load of meds which keep my BP under control, otherwise I might have exploded. At last a benefit of cardiomyopathy!

[Carrot Flower King]

And we can thank the Tories for Chucky not paying IHT or other taxes: it's all John Major's fault.

[JoeMorgue]

I get that it's just an arbitrary case of what we're used to but yeah it being a King instead of a Queen just makes it feel way more like England is doing Game of Thrones LARPing.

It just adds another layer of absurdity to it. A King? In 2022 you have a King? An honest to God "He holds this position because he came out of someone's else's vagina in a certain order" flippin' King. Does he have a wizard that sits next to him on his big chair while he wears his big jeweled hat? Does he clap his hands and ask for the Foole to be sent in to entertain him?

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

And another person charged in connection with this malarkey.

Dunno what he said about Andrew, but chances are it was just telling the truth.

Apparently, as referenced in Marina Hyde's column this afternoon, the lad shouted, "Andrew, you are a sick old man!"

Which is true...

[Rolfe]

Originally Posted by Darat

Sadly the royals have since Diane died been brilliant with their PR and have somehow convinced the country they are relevant.

I really do hope these folk who have been arrested do find good civil rights lawyers - none of these arrests should ever have happened. Especially looking at the bloke in Edinburgh - the police were next to him when he was assaulted by people and they only arrested him not the people assaulting him. Beyond disgusting.

We see this in other situations too. The people who are supporting the cause the police are aligned with, even if they're being violent and shouting vile abuse in someone's face, are protected, while the person being assaulted and shouted at, even though they are protesting peacefully (and often connected with a primary event that has permission to be there, while the abusers are the counter-protesters) are cautioned or escorted away.

The police are wholly partisan and it should be a public outrage.

[lionking]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I get that it's just an arbitrary case of what we're used to but yeah it being a King instead of a Queen just makes it feel way more like England is doing Game of Thrones LARPing.

It just adds another layer of absurdity to it. A King? In 2022 you have a King? An honest to God "He holds this position because he came out of someone's else's vagina in a certain order" flippin' King. Does he have a wizard that sits next to him on his big chair while he wears his big jeweled hat? Does he clap his hands and ask for the Foole to be sent in to entertain him?

Don’t disagree, but the biggest GOT LARPer on recent years and probably the future is Trump.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

I get that it's just an arbitrary case of what we're used to but yeah it being a King instead of a Queen just makes it feel way more like England is doing Game of Thrones LARPing.

It just adds another layer of absurdity to it. A King? In 2022 you have a King? An honest to God "He holds this position because he came out of someone's else's vagina in a certain order" flippin' King. Does he have a wizard that sits next to him on his big chair while he wears his big jeweled hat? Does he clap his hands and ask for the Foole to be sent in to entertain him?

Well Martin did base the GoT novels on the Wars of the Roses...

[Filippo Lippi]

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Apparently, as referenced in Marina Hyde's column this afternoon, the lad shouted, "Andrew, you are a sick old man!"

Which is true...

Part of me thinks, "not now," but when are right-minded folk going to get the opportunity to let the slug know what we think of him? Unless King Brian is so dim he lets Andy out of purdah. He is dim

[JoeMorgue]

Originally Posted by lionking

Don’t disagree, but the biggest GOT LARPer on recent years and probably the future is Trump.

Listen I get that Trump is (mostly deservedly) the "Reverse Card on anything America ever does to criticize another country ever" card but at least he was elected as part of an (admittedly flawed and even more admittedly being tampered with) Democratic electoral process. He's not a magic person ordained magically by God because he came out of another magic person's vagina in a specific order in a line that goes back to (or pretends to go back to) Aegon the Conqueror or whoever.

[Carrot Flower King]

Originally Posted by Filippo Lippi

Part of me thinks, "not now," but when are right-minded folk going to get the opportunity to let the slug know what we think of him? Unless King Brian is so dim he lets Andy out of purdah. He is dim

If the royals weren't parading around doing "look at me being all grieving!", then the opportunity wouldn't arise; they have millions of acres of private (well, some of it's ours) land and houses to be in and grieve privately, but they've chosen to be in public places. They and others have made this a very, very, very public indeed set of events. How many of us did all this sort of thing out in public?

Once it's public you don't get to dictate what everyone else can say and do (well, only if you have the police,the bulk of the media and a load of grovelling politicians on your side...).