The case for Amy Klobuchar?

wasapi · 27th February 2020, 01:55 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/o...char-2020.html
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So far she is my favorite candidate. Yes, I know, no chance. But I don't believe she will be going anywhere for a long time, I see her as a 'keeper'. It is possible she needs another 4 yrs to really establish herself, but I think she is doing a great deal of work, and retaining her good, solid demeanor. And, I believe she could win over - that fat orange jerk.

Segnosaur · 27th February 2020, 01:59 PM

Copying my response from one of the other threads:

I won't be voting for her, mostly because I'm not American. But, she does seem like a pretty decent politician. She's quite active in congress (helping to sponsor/pass more legislation than any other senator), and did a good job of going after Drunky McRapeface during his confirmation hearings.

The one negative about her seems to be her lack of support among minorities (which could either be due to her past career as a prosecutor, or due to her lack of name recognition).

Overall I'd say she would make a good president.

Trebuchet · 27th February 2020, 02:57 PM

I asked my liberal cousin from Minnesota about her. Not a fan, mostly because of her term as a prosecutor. I didn't ask my cousin who she does support, but I'd guess Bernie.

carlitos · 27th February 2020, 03:46 PM

She made my top 3 list when someone asked in another thread.

applecorped · 27th February 2020, 03:48 PM

Case closed

Matthew Best · 27th February 2020, 04:25 PM

You mean Amy Klopotek? I fear her name recognition is not good enough.

Skeptic Ginger · 27th February 2020, 04:28 PM

She was on my short list but showed some real inexperience at times.

We need someone with better experience: Warren is looking good.

Brainster · 27th February 2020, 05:32 PM

She's running on fumes at this point and will likely get a second consecutive sixth place on Saturday. About the only good news is that Minnesota will vote on Super Tuesday, and she's likely to win there, but that won't be enough.

Puppycow · 27th February 2020, 06:20 PM

I think she would be a fine choice. Doesn't look like that's what will happen though.

Segnosaur · 27th February 2020, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

She was on my short list but showed some real inexperience at times.

We need someone with better experience: Warren is looking good.

Inexperienced? She has been served more than 2 terms in the senate. She's served on committees for the judiciary, agriculture, the environment, and commerce.

Before that, she served as both a corporate lawyer and as a government attorney.

Sounds to me like she has more than enough experience.

The only thing I can see that she might be missing is foreign policy experience.

TragicMonkey · 27th February 2020, 08:12 PM

Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff?

angrysoba · 27th February 2020, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff?

And there was me thinking she was boring!

Trebuchet · 27th February 2020, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Inexperienced? She has been served more than 2 terms in the senate. She's served on committees for the judiciary, agriculture, the environment, and commerce.

Before that, she served as both a corporate lawyer and as a government attorney.

Sounds to me like she has more than enough experience.

The only thing I can see that she might be missing is foreign policy experience.

Trump, on the other hand, knows more about foreign policy than anyone.

Brainster · 27th February 2020, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff?

The NY Times (which back then was supporting the other former prosecutor in the race, Kamala Harris), ran a delicious hit piece about what a beeyatch she was as a boss. The anecdote I remember best is that she had a salad to eat but no fork (because the aide who got the salad screwed up and didn't get it). So she ate it with a comb, and then had him clean it off for her afterwards.

angrysoba · 27th February 2020, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

The NY Times (which back then was supporting the other former prosecutor in the race, Kamala Harris), ran a delicious hit piece about what a beeyatch she was as a boss. The anecdote I remember best is that she had a salad to eat but no fork (because the aide who got the salad screwed up and didn't get it). So she ate it with a comb, and then had him clean it off for her afterwards.

That tells you al you need to know about her: she should have had the comb cleaned before the meal!

Segnosaur · 27th February 2020, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff?

Maybe.

According to Wikipedia:

In February 2019, BuzzFeed News reported that interviews with former staffers and reviews of emails indicated that Klobuchar frequently abused and humiliated her employees...The article reported that other employees found her to be "fair and effective" and a good boss. Politico reported that Klobuchar had the highest annual staff turnover rate of any senator—36%—between 2011 and 2016.A Huffington Post article alleged she had a reputation for mistreating her staff, with some staff alleging she was prone to bursts of cruelty. In response to the negative reports, 61 former staffers wrote an open letter praising Klobuchar...

So maybe she's a horrible boss. Maybe she's OK and there are just a few people with an axe to grind. Or maybe she she's mediocre, and whether she is good or bad depends on the person she is dealing with. Hard to really say for sure.

The Great Zaganza · 27th February 2020, 09:21 PM

Being unliked by your staff is a Red Flag for someone in a top managerial position.
But her record as a Prosecutor is pretty horrifying, too, especially going after Somali using Khat to bolster her 'tough on drugs' image by going after an easy target.
Of course, I'll support whoever gets nominated.
But Im not upset that it won't be her.

Bob001 · 27th February 2020, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Maybe.

According to Wikipedia:

In February 2019, BuzzFeed News reported that interviews with former staffers and reviews of emails indicated that Klobuchar frequently abused and humiliated her employees...The article reported that other employees found her to be "fair and effective" and a good boss. Politico reported that Klobuchar had the highest annual staff turnover rate of any senator—36%—between 2011 and 2016.A Huffington Post article alleged she had a reputation for mistreating her staff, with some staff alleging she was prone to bursts of cruelty. In response to the negative reports, 61 former staffers wrote an open letter praising Klobuchar...
.....

That single fact, if true, tells you all you need to know. Working for a U.S. Senator is one of the most prestigious staff jobs in Washington. People fight hard to get there and to stay there. If she has a higher turnover than all 99 other senators -- think of everybody that includes! -- her office must be hell.

Craig4 · 1st March 2020, 02:18 AM

I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP.

The Great Zaganza · 1st March 2020, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP.

I don't, and I have the final say in these matters.

dann · 2nd March 2020, 01:36 PM

Amy Klobuchar will end 2020 presidential campaign and endorse Joe Biden (CNN, March 2, 2020)

Puppycow · 2nd March 2020, 08:50 PM

Originally Posted by Craig4

I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I think if Biden gets the nomination that will happen. In fact, I think she may have been offered it as incentive to get out now rather than after Super Tuesday. Note that she has not only endorsed Biden but is now appearing at his campaign rallies.

Trebuchet · 4th March 2020, 10:51 AM

I can see that happening, but would prefer Biden (or Bernie) not choose ANY sitting Senator. We need them where they are.

Puppycow · 4th March 2020, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

I can see that happening, but would prefer Biden (or Bernie) not choose ANY sitting Senator. We need them where they are.

Well, she would likely be replaced by another Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat, and apparently if her seat were to be vacated, the governor would name an interim replacement.

Bob001 · 4th March 2020, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Well, she would likely be replaced by another Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat, and apparently if her seat were to be vacated, the governor would name an interim replacement.

Yeah, she would probably be replaced by a Democrat, but there's no guarantee that he/she would win their first election. Maybe better to keep the Senators you have than guess about what might happen.

Trebuchet · 5th March 2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Yeah, she would probably be replaced by a Democrat, but there's no guarantee that he/she would win their first election. Maybe better to keep the Senators you have than guess about what might happen.

Exactly. Too many Dems left the Senate after Obama's election, Biden to Veep and others, including Hillary, to the Cabinet. Even if they were replaced by appointed Dems, it weakened the caucus.

27th February 2020, 01:55 PM	#1
wasapi Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13,422	The case for Amy Klobuchar? https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/o...char-2020.html rational So far she is my favorite candidate. Yes, I know, no chance. But I don't believe she will be going anywhere for a long time, I see her as a 'keeper'. It is possible she needs another 4 yrs to really establish herself, but I think she is doing a great deal of work, and retaining her good, solid demeanor. And, I believe she could win over - that fat orange jerk.
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27th February 2020, 01:59 PM	#2
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,351	Copying my response from one of the other threads: I won't be voting for her, mostly because I'm not American. But, she does seem like a pretty decent politician. She's quite active in congress (helping to sponsor/pass more legislation than any other senator), and did a good job of going after Drunky McRapeface during his confirmation hearings. The one negative about her seems to be her lack of support among minorities (which could either be due to her past career as a prosecutor, or due to her lack of name recognition). Overall I'd say she would make a good president.
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27th February 2020, 02:57 PM	#3
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,308	I asked my liberal cousin from Minnesota about her. Not a fan, mostly because of her term as a prosecutor. I didn't ask my cousin who she does support, but I'd guess Bernie.
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27th February 2020, 03:48 PM	#5
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27th February 2020, 05:32 PM	#8
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,358	She's running on fumes at this point and will likely get a second consecutive sixth place on Saturday. About the only good news is that Minnesota will vote on Super Tuesday, and she's likely to win there, but that won't be enough.
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27th February 2020, 03:46 PM	#4
carlitos "más divertido" Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA! USA! Posts: 22,863	She made my top 3 list when someone asked in another thread.

27th February 2020, 04:25 PM	#6
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,449	You mean Amy Klopotek? I fear her name recognition is not good enough.

27th February 2020, 04:28 PM	#7
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,884	She was on my short list but showed some real inexperience at times. We need someone with better experience: Warren is looking good.

27th February 2020, 06:20 PM	#9
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,889	I think she would be a fine choice. Doesn't look like that's what will happen though.
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27th February 2020, 07:17 PM	#10
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,351	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger She was on my short list but showed some real inexperience at times. We need someone with better experience: Warren is looking good. Inexperienced? She has been served more than 2 terms in the senate. She's served on committees for the judiciary, agriculture, the environment, and commerce. Before that, she served as both a corporate lawyer and as a government attorney. Sounds to me like she has more than enough experience. The only thing I can see that she might be missing is foreign policy experience.
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27th February 2020, 08:12 PM	#11
TragicMonkey Poisoned Waffles Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Monkey Posts: 59,744	Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff?
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27th February 2020, 08:13 PM	#12
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,610	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff? And there was me thinking she was boring!
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27th February 2020, 08:14 PM	#13
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,308	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Inexperienced? She has been served more than 2 terms in the senate. She's served on committees for the judiciary, agriculture, the environment, and commerce. Before that, she served as both a corporate lawyer and as a government attorney. Sounds to me like she has more than enough experience. The only thing I can see that she might be missing is foreign policy experience. Trump, on the other hand, knows more about foreign policy than anyone.
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27th February 2020, 09:03 PM	#14
Brainster Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 18,358	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff? The NY Times (which back then was supporting the other former prosecutor in the race, Kamala Harris), ran a delicious hit piece about what a beeyatch she was as a boss. The anecdote I remember best is that she had a salad to eat but no fork (because the aide who got the salad screwed up and didn't get it). So she ate it with a comb, and then had him clean it off for her afterwards.
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27th February 2020, 09:11 PM	#15
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,610	Originally Posted by Brainster The NY Times (which back then was supporting the other former prosecutor in the race, Kamala Harris), ran a delicious hit piece about what a beeyatch she was as a boss. The anecdote I remember best is that she had a salad to eat but no fork (because the aide who got the salad screwed up and didn't get it). So she ate it with a comb, and then had him clean it off for her afterwards. That tells you al you need to know about her: she should have had the comb cleaned *before* the meal!
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27th February 2020, 09:14 PM	#16
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 17,351	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Isn't she the one who's terrible to her own staff? Maybe. According to Wikipedia: In February 2019, BuzzFeed News reported that interviews with former staffers and reviews of emails indicated that Klobuchar frequently abused and humiliated her employees...The article reported that other employees found her to be "fair and effective" and a good boss. Politico reported that Klobuchar had the highest annual staff turnover rate of any senator—36%—between 2011 and 2016.A Huffington Post article alleged she had a reputation for mistreating her staff, with some staff alleging she was prone to bursts of cruelty. In response to the negative reports, 61 former staffers wrote an open letter praising Klobuchar... So maybe she's a horrible boss. Maybe she's OK and there are just a few people with an axe to grind. Or maybe she she's mediocre, and whether she is good or bad depends on the person she is dealing with. Hard to really say for sure.
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27th February 2020, 09:21 PM	#17
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,873	Being unliked by your staff is a Red Flag for someone in a top managerial position. But her record as a Prosecutor is pretty horrifying, too, especially going after Somali using Khat to bolster her 'tough on drugs' image by going after an easy target. Of course, I'll support whoever gets nominated. But Im not upset that it won't be her.
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27th February 2020, 09:25 PM	#18
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,015	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Maybe. According to Wikipedia: In February 2019, BuzzFeed News reported that interviews with former staffers and reviews of emails indicated that Klobuchar frequently abused and humiliated her employees...The article reported that other employees found her to be "fair and effective" and a good boss. Politico reported that Klobuchar had the highest annual staff turnover rate of any senator—36%—between 2011 and 2016.A Huffington Post article alleged she had a reputation for mistreating her staff, with some staff alleging she was prone to bursts of cruelty. In response to the negative reports, 61 former staffers wrote an open letter praising Klobuchar... ..... That single fact, if true, tells you all you need to know. Working for a U.S. Senator is one of the most prestigious staff jobs in Washington. People fight hard to get there and to stay there. If she has a higher turnover than all 99 other senators -- think of everybody that includes! -- her office must be hell.

1st March 2020, 02:18 AM	#19
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,882	I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP.

1st March 2020, 02:40 AM	#20
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,873	Originally Posted by Craig4 I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP. I don't, and I have the final say in these matters.
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2nd March 2020, 01:36 PM	#21
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,931	Amy Klobuchar will end 2020 presidential campaign and endorse Joe Biden (CNN, March 2, 2020)
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2nd March 2020, 08:50 PM	#22
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by Craig4 I thought everyone agreed that she was going to be the VP. I mentioned this in another thread, but I think if Biden gets the nomination that will happen. In fact, I think she may have been offered it as incentive to get out now rather than after Super Tuesday. Note that she has not only endorsed Biden but is now appearing at his campaign rallies.
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4th March 2020, 10:51 AM	#23
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,308	I can see that happening, but would prefer Biden (or Bernie) not choose ANY sitting Senator. We need them where they are.
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4th March 2020, 11:11 PM	#24
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,889	Originally Posted by Trebuchet I can see that happening, but would prefer Biden (or Bernie) not choose ANY sitting Senator. We need them where they are. Well, she would likely be replaced by another Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat, and apparently if her seat were to be vacated, the governor would name an interim replacement.
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4th March 2020, 11:52 PM	#25
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,015	Originally Posted by Puppycow Well, she would likely be replaced by another Democrat. The governor of Minnesota is a Democrat, and apparently if her seat were to be vacated, the governor would name an interim replacement. Yeah, she would probably be replaced by a Democrat, but there's no guarantee that he/she would win their first election. Maybe better to keep the Senators you have than guess about what might happen.

5th March 2020, 11:15 AM	#26
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,308	Originally Posted by Bob001 Yeah, she would probably be replaced by a Democrat, but there's no guarantee that he/she would win their first election. Maybe better to keep the Senators you have than guess about what might happen. Exactly. Too many Dems left the Senate after Obama's election, Biden to Veep and others, including Hillary, to the Cabinet. Even if they were replaced by appointed Dems, it weakened the caucus.
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