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Old 4th March 2020, 01:23 PM   #3481
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Particulary when you live in an echo chamber
Who is in the echo chamber? Sanders followers? Just want to clarify what you meant.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:24 PM   #3482
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Originally Posted by The Atheist View Post
That, while absolutely true, goes down like a cup of cold puke with Bernie Bros.

Lots of Sanders' supporters are every bit as illogical and bigoted as Trump's.

Talk is cheap, and that appears to be the extent of Bernie's abilities. A NZ columnist put it very neatly when he described Sanders as an old man shouting at the wind.

I always thought his chicken was crap, too.
I have no opinion about that.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:25 PM   #3483
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I contend you should just go into the street and pick up the baby rather than stand around with Ted and Bill having a three stooges slap fight!
Beats playing 52-pickup after a "multi-card pileup".
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:25 PM   #3484
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Damn it. My state's primary is next Tuesday. I wanted to get a chance to vote for a candidate I actually like at least once!
Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
She'll still probably be on the ballot, so you can still vote for her.
In addition to ten candidates, we actually have None of the Above, er, Uconmmitted Delegates on ours. I may just vote for that.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:26 PM   #3485
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Who is in the echo chamber? Sanders followers? Just want to clarify what you meant.
A lot of the Bernie Bros.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:27 PM   #3486
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I was surprised to see that too.
Candidate from Hawaii finding supporters in Samoa doesn't seem that surprising to me.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:30 PM   #3487
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Bloomberg officially out, no word on endorsements.
He endorsed Biden.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:32 PM   #3488
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He endorsed Biden.
I love it when you can tell someone is reading and replying to the thread in order.

You'll get there in about two posts.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:38 PM   #3489
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
There's no doubt Biden has some seriously worrisome flaws.

But no other candidates were rising to the top. So unfortunate.
“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.” - Joe Biden

The thing about Joe's recent "gaffes" is that they're different than they used to be. Earlier in his career he'd just lie or say something stupid or offensive. But now he's regularly losing his train of thought and getting confused. These are signs of a serious cognitive decline. And no other candidate in the race, including Trump and Sanders, is showing anything like this sort of decline. It's sad, really.

But don't worry, it doesn't actually matter who wins the primary. None of the Democrat candidates had any shot.

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Hopefully Trump's attacks will have lost a lot of effect now that people can see what an incompetent POTUS he's been.
“If the question is when markets will recover [from Trump's election], a first-pass answer is never.” - Paul Krugman

We were promised Trump would bring the apocalypse. It never arrived.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:39 PM   #3490
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I love it when you can tell someone is reading and replying to the thread in order.

You'll get there in about two posts.
I counted three.
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:42 PM   #3491
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
He endorsed Biden.
And said he is not retiring from the fight, which means that Biden's campaign fund is about to get fatter ….
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Old 4th March 2020, 01:54 PM   #3492
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
“We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men and women created … by the — you know — you know the thing.” - Joe Biden

The thing about Joe's recent "gaffes" is that they're different than they used to be. Earlier in his career he'd just lie or say something stupid or offensive. But now he's regularly losing his train of thought and getting confused. These are signs of a serious cognitive decline. And no other candidate in the race, including Trump and Sanders, is showing anything like this sort of decline. It's sad, really.

But don't worry, it doesn't actually matter who wins the primary. None of the Democrat candidates had any shot.



“If the question is when markets will recover [from Trump's election], a first-pass answer is never.” - Paul Krugman

We were promised Trump would bring the apocalypse. It never arrived.
As much as I may not wish to, I must agree that Biden is showing signs of a much more rapid decline than any of the other geezers vying for the POTUS position. He is fighting it, but it seems clear that he is fading.

On a more positive, and light hearted note, Trump is seeming to me to be wearing down pretty quickly of late- and we can't rule out a happy (for the world, of course, not for him)
cardiac event in the near future.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:04 PM   #3493
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In addition to ten candidates, we actually have None of the Above, er, Uconmmitted Delegates on ours. I may just vote for that.
One of the candidates should have legally changed their name to "Not Trump". They might have done very well in the primaries.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:08 PM   #3494
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
Saying "We would rather not have Bernie as a candidate" is not the same as "Bernie is evil and so are his supporters".

I must admit I don't get your point. Where's this coming from? I never said anyone said that.

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I must have missed it... when did Chris Matthews become a major Democratic leader?

Yup... just what we want from a Democratic nominee for president: Someone who gets slighted and then lashes out against everyone. Reminds me of someone, but I can't remember who...
Well, he's on TV, that counts for something, whether you're prepared to admit it or not. There have been lots of other comments running around as well; I've heard comments attributed to Obama about blocking Bernie from the nomination. Don't try gaslighting me and telling me this is all in my head; it's not.

And you're being disingenuous as hell if you think any of Bernie's reactions are comparable to Trump. Yeah, I know you didn't mention Trump specifically, but you know the reference is very clear.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:14 PM   #3495
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Nobody's talking about McConnell obstructing Sanders' bills in the Senate. This is about Sanders lifelong lack of success at building a coalition or a voting bloc. Where's Sanders' version of the Blue Dogs? Nowhere. It's just him. Where's Sanders' version of the Squad? Nowhere. It's just him.

That isn't McConnell's fault.
Bull.

Nobody's talking about McConnel? I was. Yeah, I know I'm probably no one to you, but recall the original post that inspired this tangent:

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I'll just note the obvious point that when Trump is accusing the Democratic Party of ripping off Bernie, Bernie is their preferred guy to face in the election. I saw an excellent piece the other day that exposed Sanders' complete lack of success in 1000 years in the Senate and it made me realise he's a pretty hollow character.

That was what was originally said. I can respect you were talking about something else, but you can't blame me if this is what I had in mind: It was there from the beginning. And McConnell does indeed bear much of the blame for Sanders being blocked in the Senate.

But not to ignore your point: What do you mean, "It's just him"? Last time I checked, quite a few people are very enthusiastic about voting for Bernie. They even have a name: Bernie Bros. Perhaps you've heard of them? Yes, I'll admit they aren't enough in number to guarantee the nomination for Bernie. They are sufficient to expose "It's just him" as ridiculously incorrect, however.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:19 PM   #3496
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The billionaires with with Biden or Trump. Lets not anger the Market God and let the system keep screwing over the workers for profits.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:20 PM   #3497
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McConnell represents just such a competing interest. Bernie hasn’t convinced enough people throughout the nation, in places like Kentucky, that his progressive platform is worth supporting over others like the platform McConnell represents.

Therefore, Bernie has not been successful, in his long career as a politician, in advancing his agenda.

What you call “obstruction,” is simply competing interests, you know . . . competing. If Sanders’ interests were winning, he would be the one “obstructing” McConnell and we’d all have free healthcare, college and ponies by now.

No, it's not the same as just competing. There are instances of Republicans withdrawing support from their own bills they introduced (once Obama supported them). That's not competing, that's just hyperpartisan-I-refuse-to-compromise-with-anyone obstruction. Competing is when both parties engage in good faith efforts to legislate for the betterment of the country. That is not what today's GOP is about, at all.

For your first part, please note your own goal post move: Your original comment was:

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If Sanders had been successful at builing a nationwide coalition of voters who want the same things he wants, there would be no Mitch McConnell to contend with.

I continue to claim he has. You have now shifted to:


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Therefore, Bernie has not been successful, in his long career as a politician, in advancing his agenda.

No further comment necessary.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:20 PM   #3498
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Trump can't attack Biden based on Hunter because Trump's got a whole book of corruption that can be thrown back in his face. And there are dozens of videos of Trump slurring his speech and misspeaking. There's ammo this time around.
Trump is a classic case study for the phenomenon of psychological projection. He certainly can and does attack people for things that he himself is weak on. There was ammo last time too; it just didn't affect enough voters in a couple of swing states.
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:29 PM   #3499
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post

Trump can't attack Biden based on Hunter because Trump's got a whole book of corruption that can be thrown back in his face.
Surely you are kidding me with this. Now that Biden is back in the limelight, the political prosecution of Hunter Biden will resume without a lost step.
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I contend that if there's a baby playing in the street and Ted and Bill stop to have a big showy moral debate about whether they should rescue the baby because it's the right thing to do or whether they should do it to decrease the chances of the baby causing a multi-card pile up instead of one of them just going into street and getting the baby they should both be slapped.
What if the baby's wearing a MAGA hat?
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Old 4th March 2020, 02:30 PM   #3501
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The thing about Joe's recent "gaffes" is that they're different than they used to be. Earlier in his career he'd just lie or say something stupid or offensive. But now he's regularly losing his train of thought and getting confused. These are signs of a serious cognitive decline. And no other candidate in the race, including Trump and Sanders, is showing anything like this sort of decline.
You must be joking.
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You must be joking.
He did say "decline" and Trump started off as incomprehensible idiot.
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Surely you are kidding me with this. Now that Biden is back in the limelight, the political prosecution of Hunter Biden will resume without a lost step.

You're apparently still wrongly assuming that there is nothing to the charges. On top of Biden's brain turning into sauerkraut, and his creepy episodes with little girls, there's endless material on how he played viceroy in Ukraine in a very ugly way.

If the DNC machine nominates that freak, it means four more years of Trump fit them more than any distraction from their corporatist corrupt agenda. Which is what you will get.

Or sleepy creepy uncle Joe drools over himself so much and publicly that they must resort to reanimating zombie Killary - same result, but maybe even more hilarious to watch.
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Not a flaw in this election when one considers why Biden has a better shot than Sanders.

When Sanders' charisma is getting the Liberals in CA, and TX all happy (without doing a damn thing that will change the outcome of the election WRT those two States) it is also getting the moderates and fence-sitting conservatives in MI, PA, and WI riled up in the opposite direction, possibly costing us those States n the General- and by extension, the General itself.
But I don't agree that Biden has a better shot than Sanders. And I already said that I think Trump's going to win. However, you are setting me up for a classic win-win. If Biden wins in November, I win, and if he loses I get to tell you I told you so - so much winning.
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But I don't agree that Biden has a better shot than Sanders. And I already said that I think Trump's going to win. However, you are setting me up for a classic win-win. If Biden wins in November, I win, and if he loses I get to tell you I told you so - so much winning.

See there? Trump delivered on his promise!
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Re Biden versus Trump in the gaffe department:
Biden puts his foot in his mouth on occasion. Trump keeps it there 24/7.
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The incident on stage with Biden in L.A. brings up a real concern:There needs to be better security . Last night the demonstrator was pretty much a harmless kook; the next one might not be so harmless.
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He did say "decline" and Trump started off as incomprehensible idiot.
Well, yes. Trump is much the same as he always was. Biden isn't what he used to be. You don't have to like Trump or hate Biden to be able to see that.
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Re Biden versus Trump in the gaffe department:
Biden puts his foot in his mouth on occasion. Trump keeps it there 24/7.
You still don't get it:
Biden's supporters are embarrassed by Biden's gaffes.

Trump's supporters celebrate Trump's gaffes to show the liberals how stupid they are for caring about them.
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Re Biden versus Trump in the gaffe department:
Biden puts his foot in his mouth on occasion. Trump keeps it there 24/7.
It's not so much that Biden's gonna run on a platform of out-Trumping Trump; it's that he has no choice.

Not that it's going to work. I don't think there's ever been a presidential candidate who won by trying to be more like their opponent.
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The billionaires with with Biden or Trump. Lets not anger the Market God and let the system keep screwing over the workers for profits.
Bingo!

Just keep the drift rightwards going.

Quite funny how the Democrats are right of BoJo and the Tories nowadays.
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The billionaires with with Biden or Trump. Lets not anger the Market God and let the system keep screwing over the workers for profits.
yeah, replacing the Market with a Command economy worked so damn well in the Soviet Union.
I think if Bernie had been elected President you would have been bitterly disspaointed because he seems to be nowhere as far to the left as you are.
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Bingo!

Just keep the drift rightwards going.

Quite funny how the Democrats are right of BoJo and the Tories nowadays.
You hate the United States anyway so like it matters.
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You still don't get it:
Biden's supporters are embarrassed by Biden's gaffes.
No, Keith, you don't get it.

When Biden says you need an Indian accent to work at 7/11, that's a gaffe. He's been doing those forever, and it's baked into the public's opinion of him already.

When he can't remember what office he's running for, that isn't a gaffe. That's a sign of senility, and it's new.
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Old 4th March 2020, 03:54 PM   #3515
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I would still be disappointed if it was Warren having the surge but Biden? Really?
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Candidate from Hawaii finding supporters in Samoa doesn't seem that surprising to me.
She was born in Samoa.
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I would still be disappointed if it was Warren having the surge but Biden? Really?
Just more proof you never really understood American Politics and American voters.
Hint: They were nowhere near as far to the left as you thought.
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I note a couple of Bernie's overseas Bros here seem never to have really grasped some facts about American voters and the American Political system.
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Old 4th March 2020, 03:59 PM   #3519
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When he can't remember what office he's running for, that isn't a gaffe. That's a sign of senility, and it's new.
No, it's a sign that he's been running for Senate for about 40 years and his speech is on autopilot. See - I can mind-read and remote diagnose too!
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
No, Keith, you don't get it.

When Biden says you need an Indian accent to work at 7/11, that's a gaffe. He's been doing those forever, and it's baked into the public's opinion of him already.

When he can't remember what office he's running for, that isn't a gaffe. That's a sign of senility, and it's new.
So the smear campaign begins. Dear Leader is proud of you.
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