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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:08 AM   #1
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Silence is Complicity - The methodical shooting of boys at work in Gaza

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=22879

from the article:

The deliberate injury of the limbs of 23 boys by high velocity weapons has been logged and described by Defence for Children International – Palestine Branch (DCI-P) since March 2010. (1) Some of the facts have been published in national newspapers. These barbarous acts contravene international and national law but there are no judicial responses. The caring professions see the physical and mental pain of those who suffer and they should be in the vanguard in calling for this great cruelty to cease forthwith. Political leaders have failed to act.

The Geneva Conventions Act 1957, which is of central importance in holding war criminals to account in the jurisdiction of the UK, is being emasculated.

......................

the 23 boys who have been shot between 26/03/10 (Said H) and 23/12/10 (Hatem S) are listed in the table below with skeletal facts. These points are made:-



· In 18 there were single shots and not automatic fire

· The reported range in most cases confirms that the weapon was a sniper's rifle in the hands of a sniper

· Almost always there were many dozens of other men and boys at work; these victims were picked off

· A leg was the target in most cases. Where the leg was not the target it is likely the sniper was 'aiming up' so the flank, elbow etc was hit instead.

· No weapons were being borne by the gravel workers so they posed no threat to the Israeli Occupation Force personnel. Instead they were bending their backs to their menial work within their internment camp

· The histories refer often to the recovery of the injured boy by friends and relatives under fire. This was a feature during 'Cast Lead' or instead the paramedics were barred from getting to the victims so they died without care.



The history of the injury and sequel for each boy are linked to in (1). It has been done meticulously and the translation into English is perfect. The pain, and often the terror, felt by the boy as the bullet struck home are vividly recorded. No bullets have been recovered yet so the calibre/type is unknown.
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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:29 AM   #2
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globalresearch?

Really?

Really?

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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:34 AM   #3
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globalresearch?

Really?

Really?

so it must not be true?
really?

....really?
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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:40 AM   #4
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Bikerdruid,

Who fired those shots?
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It's refreshing to see a side shooting to injure rather than blowing up hundreds at a crack.


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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:43 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by mortimer View Post
Bikerdruid,

Who fired those shots?
read the article.
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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:52 AM   #7
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
so it must not be true?
really?

....really?
Is anything on that site true?
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Old 23rd January 2011, 11:53 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
so it must not be true?
really?

....really?
It's an anti-semitic hate site that contains completely made up crap that has no supporting evidence.

And now you're posting articles from that same site about Jews murdering children.

What next, mein herr? "Boncentration Bamps" perhaps?
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Old 23rd January 2011, 12:20 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
It's an anti-semitic hate site that contains completely made up crap that has no supporting evidence.

And now you're posting articles from that same site about Jews murdering children.

What next, mein herr? "Boncentration Bamps" perhaps?
again with the rhetoric.
anytime someone criticizes israel they are 'anti-semitic'.

...prove the article is not true.....
if it is all lies, that should be easy.

btw....since you have not bothered to read the article, it has nothing to do with 911.
also i can't watch your video response.

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Old 23rd January 2011, 01:57 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
read the article.
Nowhere in that article are any claims made as to who shot these boys. Did you read the article?

Is it safe to say that you assume the shots were fired by Israelis?
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Old 23rd January 2011, 02:17 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
...prove the article is not true.....
You seem to believe that the burden of proof doesn't lie with the person making the claim. But it does. You're making the claim, you back it up.

Now, in actual practice, many times we give an assumption of truth to statements made by sources we consider reliable. Is global research such a source? Not unless you're a troofer.

Oh....
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Old 23rd January 2011, 02:22 PM   #12
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
What next, mein herr? "Boncentration Bamps" perhaps?
I'm reminded of this:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clip...60/learn-focus
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Old 23rd January 2011, 02:33 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
so it must not be true?
really?

....really?
Quoting a large slab of an article to start a thread without stating your position or making any comment on it is very bad form. How about you make your point in the OP rather than leave people guessing.
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Old 24th January 2011, 12:32 AM   #14
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Remember that girl who supposedly died from tear gas and it turned out to be a lie propagated by the Palestinian lie machine? This story is worth less than that.

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Old 24th January 2011, 12:54 AM   #15
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War is hell. Propaganda is another weapon.

But Biker, you really have to vet your sources more carefully.
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Old 24th January 2011, 01:08 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
anytime someone criticizes israel they are 'anti-semitic'.
Go back and read again the link I provided.

Globalresearch posted an article by a group that has been identified as a terrorist support group by the Simon Wiesenthal Center.

Promoting conspiracy theories that paint the jewish people as being behind everything is anti-semitism.Global Research ~IS~ an anti-semitic hate site. As such, every article on that site is automatically suspect.
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Originally Posted by nvidiot View Post
But Biker, you really have to vet your sources more carefully.
He's a 9/11 truther.

Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
you are missing my point.
i made no claim as to what happened on 911.
i claimed that,"i do not believe the 'official story'."

is is undeniably a fact. the fact being that [i]i do not believe the official story.
He couldn't properly vet "White Power Weekly".
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What do you think of this globalresearch article which says the Freemasons and Illuminati created Wahabbism?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=2757

Bikderdruid, what do you think of websites that publish that sort of stuff? You claim you taught critical thinking to high school kids.

Holy crap it all makes sense now. Bikerdruid's kids that he ear-holed into "questioning everything" now write truther, Illuminati, moonbat lefto-neonazi articles on globalresearch.ca

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Old 24th January 2011, 07:51 AM   #19
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wow....just wow...no one is willing to address the topic of the thread, but sure are quick to make personal attacks.
is the article a lie?
prove it or stfu.
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Nowhere in that article are any claims made as to who shot these boys. Did you read the article?

Is it safe to say that you assume the shots were fired by Israelis?
Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
wow....just wow...no one is willing to address the topic of the thread, but sure are quick to make personal attacks.
is the article a lie?
prove it or stfu.
I addressed the topic. You are refusing to respond.
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
wow....just wow...no one is willing to address the topic of the thread,
Including you. You cut and pasted from the article, and have yet to offer an opinion on it.

Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
but sure are quick to make personal attacks.
is the article a lie?
prove it or stfu.
Ther article is garbage from a garbage paranoid conspiracy site.
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For someone who claims to be a retired teacher, bikerdruid sure seems terrible when it comes to choosing his source material.
Nice how he keeps dodging the little fact that the article is from a crackpot site.
BUt then he is a 9/11 Truther so what should we expect.........
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
For someone who claims to be a retired teacher, bikerdruid sure seems terrible when it comes to choosing his source material.
Nice how he keeps dodging the little fact that the article is from a crackpot site.
BUt then he is a 9/11 Truther so what should we expect.........
perfect example of an ad hom attack.
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perfect example of an ad hom attack.
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
wow....just wow...no one is willing to address the topic of the thread, but sure are quick to make personal attacks.
is the article a lie?
prove it or stfu.
Is the article correct?
Prove it or stfu.

You made the claim, troofer. The burden of proof is on you.
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More than just aiming always for the leg, it seems they were specifically targeting the boy's testicles. The attacker must be trying to stop the boys from reproducing. Indeed in almost half the cases, the targets were described as 'fine pieces of ass' by Gaza women, and thus were more likely to reproduce than their uglier counterparts who were not targeted for attack. Also, all the rounds were found with just the tip cut off, indicating that the attacker is Jewish.

That sounds true. They should add that to the article.
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
No bullets have been recovered yet so the calibre/type is unknown.
Strange that.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Is the article correct?
Prove it or stfu.

You made the claim, troofer. The burden of proof is on you.


1. http://www.dci-pal.org/english/doc/p...%202010(b).pdf

2. http://www.haaretz.com/news/barak-ha...south-1.240417

3. http://www.amnesty.org.uk/uploads/do.../doc_21083.pdf

the references are in the article.
amnesty international is one source for the details.

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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
again with the rhetoric.
anytime someone criticizes israel they are 'anti-semitic'.

...prove the article is not true.....
if it is all lies, that should be easy.

btw....since you have not bothered to read the article, it has nothing to do with 911.
also i can't watch your video response.
BD - you pointed us to the article. You quoted from it. With no offense, you certainly know the order of evidence/proof here: you pulled it up, you are responsible for proving it - at a minimum you should be able to quote from a better/more trustworthy source with verifiable detail or have no assumption that we have any reason to believe it.

BTW, Israeli snipers tend (exclusively I am pretty sure) to use .50 cal. for sniping. That would be pretty evident even if spent bullets could not be located.
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I picked this article at random from your links. I read it. I don't see anything in the article about shooting boys in Gaza. The only mention of any Palestinian boys in that story is as part of a death toll from an air strike, not from shootings. The deaths may be regrettable, but they sure don't fit the description in your original post.

So... fail.

I won't bother with your other links. Feel free to provide quotes, though, if you really think they back up your claim.
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Have you actually looked at these sources? The latter two mention *nothing* about "methodical shooting of boys at work in Gaza". The first one does, but produces no evidence or sources for their material.
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
...prove the article is not true.....
No. You prove that it is true.
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Bikerdruid,

Who fired those shots?
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read the article.
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Nowhere in that article are any claims made as to who shot these boys. Did you read the article?

Is it safe to say that you assume the shots were fired by Israelis?
Bikerdruid, are you going to respond to this?
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Bikerdruid; What's your opinion on the article about the Illuminati creating Wahabbism? What's your opinion on sites that publish such articles?
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BTW, Israeli snipers tend (exclusively I am pretty sure) to use .50 cal. for sniping. That would be pretty evident even if spent bullets could not be located.
I think most military/law enforcement snipers use .308 or 7.62 mm. use of the .50 for the majority of military and law enforcement sharpshooting is overkill.

I don't think Israel is any different.
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Most of those look like minor scratches or bruises. None is obviously a bullet wound.
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Originally Posted by bikerdruid View Post
The more I think about the document in that link, the more I realize that:

Not only are the pictures in that document not compelling evidence supporting the claim in the OP, they are actually strong evidence against the claim in the OP. If 29 children had really been shot by snipers, you would think at least one of them would have a bullet wound that resembles a real bullet wound. Some of them don't have any apparant wound at all. Others are covered by bandages or casts, and others are garden-variety scratches, scrapes, bruises and the like.
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Originally Posted by Sword_Of_Truth View Post
I think most military/law enforcement snipers use .308 or 7.62 mm. use of the .50 for the majority of military and law enforcement sharpshooting is overkill.

I don't think Israel is any different.
Normally I would agree, however the only articles I have seen (important note) have specified .50 though not manufacturer and have indicated trajectory, range and hitting power were of large importance in that choice.
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The more I think about the document in that link, the more I realize that:

Not only are the pictures in that document not compelling evidence supporting the claim in the OP, they are actually strong evidence against the claim in the OP. If 29 children had really been shot by snipers, you would think at least one of them would have a bullet wound that resembles a real bullet wound. Some of them don't have any apparant wound at all. Others are covered by bandages or casts, and others are garden-variety scratches, scrapes, bruises and the like.
And in all these cases, no bullet was found inside the victims' bodies.

This means all 29 bullets have entered and exited the wounds without a trace. What are the odds of that?
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