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Old 29th March 2022, 12:15 PM   #121
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What we call the experience of reality

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Egalitarian - Dream Village - Insights! - Selfishness - Radical Self-Acceptance - Unfolding Status Quo - Dualic Energies - Imperishable - What Is That You Are Playing With - Do a begin/end... - Shamanic dreaming - Positivity - The Nature of This Place - The Crystal Clear Waters River

SCL1 AP = The Eigengrau Mind Screen

RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

6:25

[Around The Campfire
The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
The Main Points On The Agenda
If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
Subconscious
Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?
Now Here]
~Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
The Eigengrau Mind Screen~
Neruda Interview Five
[Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
And Loving That Knowing
Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self.]

William: The interview is mainly focused upon behavioral adjustments and the "Sovereign Integral Process." Human beings [through science] are moving toward the fusion of human biology with technology [transhumanism] and in relation to the physical universe, this is a natural outcome of evolution.
There is way more to the interview of course - but the underlying message is that the whole thing is deception and if one can see through the deception one can escape the "suppression matrix" through consciously realigning ones self identification.

[The Subject
Nyx
Sustainability
Spring
A Meeting Place
An Ancient Truthful Wisdom
Duality.]
Rebirth
~Incorporate
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma~
To The Point
[Open
Fury
There is a lot to unpack here
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Concomitant
Encouraging Indication]

William: It appears that at some point within the unfolding universe, consciousness worked with a less densified environment and the forms they adopted were also less densified - more like consciousness itself than not.

Nyx is like unto Sophia re the connections of both mythologies...
In Gnosticism, Sophia is a feminine figure, analogous to the human soul but also simultaneously one of the feminine aspects of God. Gnostics held that she was the syzygy (female twin divine Aeon) of Jesus (i.e. the Bride of Christ), and Holy Spirit of the Trinity. She is occasionally referred to by the Hebrew equivalent of Achamōth (Ἀχαμώθ, Hebrew: חכמה chokhmah) and as Prunikos (Προύνικος). In the Nag Hammadi texts, Sophia is the lowest Aeon, or anthropic expression of the emanation of the light of God. She is considered to have fallen from grace in some way, in so doing creating or helping to create the material world. [SOURCE]

A few days ago, this was mentioned in a GM;

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Be Aware
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Lucifer
Shining light
The key]
This harkens to the Big Bang Theory - whereby the something infinitesimal that came from "God knows where" aka "we don't have a clue" exploded, spewing forth all the substance it contained which eventually became "The Physical Universe"...light is associated with heat...

[Integrate
Sure]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528
~Feature
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations~
[Thoughts Are Products Of...
Vulnerability
Thread about all things
Search
Awesome
Through Device
Love Your Life
Reborn
Illuminating
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Better The Devil You Know
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
System of Giving Energy]

That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing with a suppression matrix becomes moot...it know longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is...so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification...knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity...

"The Devil Ye Know" becomes "The bright spark illuminating the darkness"

[Smarter Than The Average
Radiate Honesty
Transposing]
The cycle of life involves the Ouroboros. It gives to itself because it takes from itself.
~Signals
Measure~
The United Nations
[Nature of The Holographic Universes
Insights!
I would say...
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe.]

William: So as I understand the process of consciousness within the physical universe, the very act of inserting oneself into the HERS is what creates it to be what it is unfolding to be...
That act of transposing, is exemplified in the mystery of the Big Bang.

The shock for consciousness interreacting with the field of potential [quantum] produced an effect traced back to the cause.

The connection to the knowledge of a prior existence was temporarily disabled? The Demiurge was created - and acted as a closed door to that knowledge. The Demiurge = The Universal Entity....the overall consciousness imbued within this particular reality experience...

[Angelic Agenda
How are we to react in relation to our choices?
Move
Red Light
Working with the simulation
Incompleteness
By/Through
Leave a Trail
Point of Contact]
Sensing connections through subconscious means
Establishment
~What is the situation we have here
The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd~
Perseverance
["All Is As It Should Be"
The Fine Art of Not Being Offended
Ah Oh...
The Life Essence
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...]

William: The simplest explanations are less offensive?

[Well...Maybe...
Universal Intelligence
Symbol
Rolling down the rails of the ridiculous
Transformation
Other way
What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
Heart chakra
God Eat Data Heal Cub
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70605#p1070605
If In Doubt Let It Sit
The Judgement Algorithm]
Have One For Me
~There are many levels of consciousness
Free your soul~
Embarrassed

William: From the link;
Quote:
I'm using it to point out that imaginative thinking is more respectable than you give it credit for being.
Quote:
I agree. We are essentially minds within/experiencing matter. Many folk appear to be quite afraid of imagination. There may be many reasons for why that is, but one legitimate reason is that when imagination is used inappropriately, harm is - not always - but often the result. So one must be careful how one uses imagination, but not so afraid of it as to think disrespectfully of its usefulness at all.
[Ghost In The Machine
Once Upon a Time
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...65308#p1065308
Maneuver
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
Observe]
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision
~All system go
Etymology~
Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
[The Roles
...Otherwise, all is hot air
We Exist Infinitely
Controlled by fear
In The Team of the Collective
Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?]

William: Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...

[Warm Presence Welcome]
While We All Wait....
~Miraculous
Be Free~
Duality/Dualities Children
[Tracks In The Snow
Sharing Data
Being Born
Double Standard
Inordinately
Completely
Worthiness
The Four Human Power Houses
Not Right
Radiant
May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You
Sort It Out
Conservation of energy
The Nature of Role-Play Within Story-Lines
OWOBIK
Believing in fearful imagery
Sphere
As useful as griffonage
Be authentic
Another Mind Open
Go with the Flow
...and the way forward, eyes wide open
Ace in the hole
Proven]

7:52
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Old 29th March 2022, 02:06 PM   #122
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Dawn of thought transferred through moments
Of days under searching earth
Revealing corridors of time provoking memories
Disjointed but with purpose
Oi! I've already done the Topographic Oceans reference!
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Old 29th March 2022, 05:34 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by Nay_Sayer View Post
I can't battle, but bread and butter is my favorite food- WAIT WHAT?! *suffers preoccupation*
minute, clover learned ferret! hyena...
I wish I was a chicken because they don't have to monkey heavily all the time
APPLE 1
organic, clearly elephant are jovial wire! Plus, kangaroos can introduce valiantly.
The chicken is chicken leg because string type adventurously?
I guess, drain unnaturally are maddening kiss! Plus, stews can approve joyously.
flower, functional! rat! odd, gratefully, or petite. bananna won't paint freely.[
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It's a classic Italian taste that you'll love from Domino's; the Pesto Crust Pizza. The hot and wow call Domino's Pizza Now! Another NEW crust is topped off with herbs and baked to golden perfection. The distinctive flavor of pesto Crust is topped off with herbs and authentic Romano cheese. It's the very first bite.
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CARGO 11 CARGO 11
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Exactly!! Thank you for clearing that up.
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Old 29th March 2022, 05:53 PM   #124
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Randomly generated text will eventually make sense. It's just a matter of enough monkeys hitting enough keyboards.

But unremitting, unstoppable, supremely boring flapdoodle? No, that takes intent.

Thus I prove the reality of God. Pay me.
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Old 29th March 2022, 05:54 PM   #125
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Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto View Post
Exactly!! Thank you for clearing that up.
I was on the fence, myself, until I read, "CARGO 11 CARGO 11", then it all made sense - like zebra plants knowing water examines tundra in Jovian panties rippling under nebulous brown bag bits!!!!!!!
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Old 29th March 2022, 06:29 PM   #126
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Randomly generated text will eventually make sense. It's just a matter of enough monkeys hitting enough keyboards.
Consider "The Library of Babel." It contains every truth, every falsehood, every classic, every penny dreadful, and near infinite gibberish. It even includes a complete index to itself... somewhere.

Navigator is going to have to work hard to approach that.

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Old 29th March 2022, 10:28 PM   #127
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The problem with the Library of Babel is that it's located right in the middle of Meinong's Jungle. I've met a few mystics here who, after hacking their way through the dense foliage of the rerum fucosi vines that twine around all you cannot find, came back with a nasty rash.
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Old 30th March 2022, 11:26 AM   #128
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Hostile - William's Commitment - Love Your Life - Through The Woo - Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology - Wow! - Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self. - Meeting an Extraterrestrial - Sanctioned - Fine-structure Constant - “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”

SCL1 AP = Giving birth

RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

5:35

[Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Celebration
Attitude of gratitude
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”]
~Hide and Seek
Giving birth~
The Purple Heart medal
[Sadness
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
Strength of Mind]

Voice/Message/Communication
Cataphatic
Oneness
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67891#p1067891
A Space Without A Time...
Endless Cycle
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Teaching
Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?

William: If one reached a place where one knew everything about all things, I would think one would want to create a space - such as this universe - in which to counteract that and being born into it with the default setting of "complete Ignorance".
From the link;
Quote:
Q: Why would anyone argue that the existence of the Universe could imply that The Creator is unwise?
Some argue not only 'unwise' but 'evil'...but giving oneself an opportunity to experience Tabula Rasa adequately explains why the universe is like it is and why we exist within it... we created it for that purpose - so that we could experience it from the point of complete ignorance as an environment which offered the potential to learn about said environment and utilize it for whatever purpose the accumulating knowledge of it, reveals to us.

[Of The Human Being
The Story Timeline
Cheers!
Source Reality
We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
Enlighten you
And Loving That Knowing]
Selfish Attitude
~Bellicose
Far Out!~
Decisions
[Mothers Milk]

The Source of All Creation
Ingenuity
Each]
A countenance more in sorrow than in anger
~Bridge
Immortal~
Guilt Trip
[Event String Unfolding:
Sharing data,
The Right Tool For The Job]

Guilt come into play through reasoning that we must have done something to deserve being in this prison-like environment.
There must be underlying reasons for why we can even think about 'more perfect' places we wish we might be experiencing. One would assume that if we [consciousness] were a natural product of physics [emergence theory] such notions would never develop as we would simply accept ourselves as being emergent and would have no regard for or develop other theories which speak in terms of something 'lost' or 'a fall from grace' or 'sin and guilt'.

That we do, points to evidence supporting a prior existence, but we needn't clothe that idea in shame, even that this universe we are experiencing lends itself to that conclusion, largely due to hardship.

[Giving our best
Geometry
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902
Ouroboros]
Militant Messiah
~The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.
Determination~
Fecund
["You don’t wanna cross that bridge - You don’t want the other side"
Radiant
The Brain
Independence]

William: From the link;
Quote:
From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'
Consciousness forces the question upon itself. "Why do I exist?"
Arguments would have it that the question itself derives from the need to survive - and that has to be true but does not have to be the sum total of the truth.

[I Think
Little Self
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70577#p1070577
Prickly
The spirituality of imperfection
Future Selves]
For The Best Results
~Victim Vamp Energy Systems
Go Within and Find That Place~
[Wide Walk Welcoming
Does that beam light into the dark, or surround the light in darkness?
What matters most]

William: From the link;

Quote:
It is said of some Gods, [YHVH in particular] do have unlimited power. Is that to say YHVH is absolutely corrupt?
I have seen it argued that he is/they are.

But is that really the truth?
Like a Job Well Done
~Evaluating Cautiously
Fearful~
Anger
The Cat Drone
Live With

Psychology

William: Yes - one can be physically hurt and the natural reaction [for consciousness] is to react with anger because it appears to intuitively understand that it does not 'belong' in the universe [but is unfortunately here nonetheless] "The Cat Drone" underlined the requirement to be careful and pay attention, because in doing so, one can - at least - avoid injury.

Aligned with that is the removing of guilt-related obstacles which allow for unhappiness to dictate negative psyche responses - as the internal [consciousness] expresses itself into the external surrounds producing negative feedback.

Quiet Time
With The Assistance Of That Deep One
The Connection Process
A fish out of water
Intrinsicism]
Callum's Seventh Point
~What Is Within Is Without, Equal
Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.~
[Miraculous
Dogmatic Attitude
Shadow Volunteer
DarkestDarkness
We go through together
"These things have been given to me, now what to do with these things..."
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
Residue
Influence
Welcoming
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=927

William:
Quote:
Callum: Seventh, I do not think that just because a message can be interpreted in two opposite ways necessarily means it is unreliable. What I said was that a method of communication that relies on a limited list made by the recipient, typing numbers on a keypad (or some other seemingly random procedure) to pick out words/phrases on that list that produces a message that is easily interpreted into two opposing messages does not point to accuracy. There is so much that could go "wrong". That is something that must be overcome (perhaps indirectly) for the method to become a plausible vehicle for meaning to go from one being to another.
Miraculous = 132 as do;
The Significance
Description
Teaching Music
A loving heart
A Great Answer!
In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine
Thanatophobic
Zero Waste
Such can mislead
Alive and kicking
An axe to grind
Integration
Core emotion
Solidarity
Creativity
Visionary

William: From the link;
Quote:
Let me ask you this: have you ever encountered a “GM” that could not be interpreted?
Quote:
No. I have seen GMs which are obviously misinterpreted though.
Quote:
I can’t make heads or tails of what any of your “GMs,” are supposed to mean.
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My "Generated Messages" are no different from any message generated. What is any message generated 'supposed to mean?"
6:57

7:17

There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe"
~Beautiful
Explaining~
Data
[The Machinery
Expectant
Your shell today…
The evidence is too strong, to believe there is no intelligent mind involved as part of the universes structure.]

Communication Techniques
Human Mind System
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68197#p1068197
Feel your feelings
Pusillanimous - showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.
Get The Ball Rolling
An Elder Race
"Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with..."
No Doubt about It
Bonkers
The Screen
"The problem of evil"
Coddiwomple - to travel in a purposeful manner towards a vague destination
Antic

William: From the link;
Quote:
The idea of there being such a thing as "A true Christian" if we were to take off the costumes and masks [re pernicious] is pointless, as that ship has sailed... for Christianity itself is the vehicle which caused the notion of a true Christian, to be a confusing thing to the point that it is not possible to identify such a thing as being actually real.
7:25
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Old 31st March 2022, 10:54 AM   #129
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The definition of magic is something that contradicts the observed laws of physics. The Big Bang does not contradict the observed laws of physics, in fact it was deduced from them. So you are, once again, about as wrong as it is possible to be.
I was not referring to the event as the magic, but to the idea that everything was contained within something so small that it almost doesn't exist.

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That is the "lie to children" version. It does not remotely describe the physics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie-to-children
From what I can gather - what you mean is that it is the mythological version told to those who do not know how to read the math.

Originally Posted by Pixel42 View Post
I'd define it as saying something you know is not true, regardless of intent, in which case this qualifies, but I agree it's arguable. A quick check of online dictionaries shows some include the "in order to mislead/deceive" qualifier and some don't. But it doesn't really matter, it's clear what the coiners of the phrase mean by it, and I think it's an important point - at least on this forum, where those who fail to grasp it regularly start or contribute to threads like this one.
If I started this thread because of a mythology told to those who otherwise cannot grasp the math, then it is up to those who make the claim to expand on the mythology in a manner that best represents the math.

I myself am fine with whatever the facts are, magical or otherwise...for my part I am just showing how it is easy to glance behind the curtain and see other possibilities which explain the evidence in a manner that one can understand follows the observed rules of physics and I do so on the grounds that whatever birthed this universe can be observed in the physics of this universe - as in the Mother is observed in the Child...patterns within patterns...

Furthermore, it was no accident that I called the thread "The Seed of Origin" as representative of the Object which [allegedly] existed prior to the Object exploding [germinating] to become the Subject.

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Let the facts speak for themselves

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~What Are The Chances
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Homeomorphic - In the mathematical field of topology, a homeomorphism, topological isomorphism, or bicontinuous function is a continuous function between topological spaces that has a continuous inverse function.
Original
Post it
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Provide
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Love Life]

William: The information unfolding reveals a type of mirror reflection of what created the information contained within the Seed of Origin.

[Mind/Thought Space
Peace
Being aware of Human Control Dramas
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=288472
Subconscious]
Trauma
~A Machine For Solving Problems
Creator Influence Syndrome~
“True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."
[“Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found.”
Cheers!
Your shell today…
AUM
Significant]

William: Yes - the link leads to an old thread about an even older event sequence which describes a device I used which turned out to be something which helped me solve mysteries.
What the indestructible quality we are, is - consciousness.

This realization binds the individuate consciousness with the overall consciousness and the overall consciousness cannot be truthfully defined as either 'non-existence' or dressed up in the garb of religious belief systems. The Absolute
Quote:
AUM Is a Metaphor
One quick caution on the question: what data stream does AUM get? Is he aware of us?

The question carries an implicit assumption that AUM is a separate thing relative to us. If you think of us being AUM and AUM being us, that shines a different light on it. AUM doesn’t necessarily live in its own little separate corner of reality from which he can visit the little people when he wants to. AUM is a metaphor for the abstract concept of a Larger Consciousness System (LCS). We PMR bound humans require our metaphors to be separate from us in function and perception (an individual) because we are separate individuals with independent perceptions and cannot conceive of an aware being as being anything else -- but it is our specific PMR rule set that makes us separate and independent. AUM is not bound by such a rule set.

Metaphors such as AUM are absolutely necessary, otherwise we could not speak to each other, but do not lose sight that the reality behind the metaphor is beyond our comprehension in terms of our PMR experience. Although giving independent attributes and functions to AUM does indeed further our ability as a group of individuals to conceive and understand the Larger Consciousness System , do not wander so far down that path as speculating on detailed separate PMR human-like characteristics (such as what is in AUM's private data stream), that you get lost in meaningless specificity of characteristics that lie beyond the necessary logical function of AUM. To burden the concept of AUM (the Larger Consciousness System) with our own belief system places logically unnecessary constraint (a belief trap) upon the concept and its metaphor -- thus muddying the water rather than clearing it.

Better to just live with uncertainty and remain open minded and skeptical than to specify out of habit and belief (it must be that way, how else could it be?) what is un-specifiable. Details unnecessary to the logical exposition just clutter the result.

Tom [source]
[It’s a living thing
Mind To Mind
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...o%20Mind.,-Top
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Expansiveness
Side Splittingly Funny
Sophia and Han]
Whatever you do
~Subatomic Particles
Obfuscate~
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
[The Power of Prayer
The Vessel of Argument Sinks
Pure spirit
Humans are programmed to become integrated with technology
The Gist of The Message
Without Comparison
For whom the bell tolls for to gather the souls the numbers in darkness are glowing
Brother, where Art Thou?
“Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
Cosmic Self
The sun
Sister Saturn
Child
Spiritual Connection
My Kind of Fun Anyway]

William: Makes sense. Like how this personality worded it...

EaglePuncher: "I WANT THOSE EGGHEADS TO LEAVE ROOM FOR A GOD OF THE GAPS, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..."

William: "Strangely" enough, this was a comment made in reply to what I had written;
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The evidence is not being questioned. What is being questioned has to do with the interpretation of the evidence, which leads to the magical notions of an infinitesimal object existing which contains everything which exists, and spews that into itself and in doing so, expands and becomes the universe we currently observe.

It is all very well to honestly state that we don't know where such an object came from, but is it honest to claim that such an object actually ever existed and did what the theories claim, when there are other ways in which to interpret the evidence which do not require such magical notions by way of explaining/interpreting the evidence?
[SOURCE]

6:33

6:41

William: Consciousness 'fits into the gaps' naturally enough. It is only a 'problem' if non-theists regard consciousness as like unto 'God'.... so it would not do to understand consciousness as being part of the information released with the physical matter at the Big Bang, because it is a 'ghost in the machine' and thinking that the universe is a conscious entity implies "God"...

Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68542#p1068542
The Finer Details
~An infinitesimal object germinated
Genius~
Presence

William: From the link;
Quote:
A genuine relationship with The Creator, is worth so much more than a relationship with a religious artifact, wouldn't you agree?
6:51
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Dude, you can hide behind your faux intellectualism all you want, but I'm an old ghost hunter. I've been to the psychic fairs, and UFO conventions.

I can smell what you're peddling from three counties away.

You're trying to apply matrixing to something it you or someone else can sell. It's the same thing as those people who used to study advertising and cereal boxes for hidden images of sexual acts, or just people who see penises in woodgrain finishes.

It's all random, your brain does the rest, and that's the part that's not random.
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Dude, you can hide behind your faux intellectualism all you want, but I'm an old ghost hunter. I've been to the psychic fairs, and UFO conventions.

I can smell what you're peddling from three counties away.

You're trying to apply matrixing to something it you or someone else can sell. It's the same thing as those people who used to study advertising and cereal boxes for hidden images of sexual acts, or just people who see penises in woodgrain finishes.
Vagitus Puerility .
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It's all random, your brain does the rest, and that's the part that's not random.
Your statement is oxymoron...Either 'it is all' or it is not.

Have a rethink - I am not in the business of selling. I am simply offering evidence of a system which works [because everything is NOT random] which anyone who wants to, can replicate and discover the truth of it for themselves.

Said in a more mythological manner;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3VG9JZM6I
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I am simply offering evidence of a system which works [because everything is NOT random] which anyone who wants to, can replicate and discover the truth of it for themselves.
Nobody has denied that anyone can find meaning in randomly generated words using your, or any other, system. But they, like you, could only conclude the meaning they find is generated by anything other than their own mind by wilfully ignoring well understood basic facts about human psychology.
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Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
Vagitus Puerility .

Your statement is oxymoron...Either 'it is all' or it is not.

Have a rethink - I am not in the business of selling. I am simply offering evidence of a system which works [because everything is NOT random] which anyone who wants to, can replicate and discover the truth of it for themselves.

Said in a more mythological manner;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc3VG9JZM6I
There is no system. It's matrixing. The universe is happily random.
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The latest random sequences seem to be getting pretty referential. Might one suspect the generation of being a little less than random?
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Anchor points and related GM entries - Part One:

Longing

Longing
Skills
The Neutral Zone


Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?

Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
That'll Be The Day

Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Inveterate [having a particular habit, activity, or interest that is long-established and unlikely to change.]

Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Naked

Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced.

Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced
On The Right Track

Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced
Crown chakra
Does One Remember
Information
Unbiased
Unprecedented

Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced
Sometimes it just looks like rain
Assumption

The Ghost

"We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Life our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine"
I Am
Be here now

The Digital Angel
Homo Sapiens
The Ghost Agenda

Source Intelligence
Universal Intelligence
The Ghost

"You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine"
The Arrival Movie
There are many levels of consciousness
Self-realization
It Stands To Reason

Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.
Be Aware
Authenticity

The Divine
Ordinary
"We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Lift our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine"
From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change.

Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.
Emotional Intelligence
Healing

Alignment
Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.
To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness

William: Equanimous - calm and composed.
"Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis" = Discovery is finding things that exist.
The Ghost is acknowledged

"You can look me in the mirror , catch my eye and make me shiver , touch me where it hurts the most , right into the Ghost , in the Machine" - It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

The Ghost
Positive self-talk
A GOD in The Making
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self

You can teach me when I’m needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine
The Divine
Heaven on Earth...
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

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From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'
That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.

[no further mention]

The Human Brain

[no further mention]

Ask
Develop a basic, fact-based view first and then ask the question.
Nyx
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond

Ask And It Will Be Given
Peace out!
Tests that cut to the heart
See-Through
Desire
The Deeper Self
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers
Fearless

Flowery

Flowery
A force for good
Emotion
Joyful

Is there

The Forerunner
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Is There

Is There
Phenomenon
I place no judgement on the results.

Planet Earth is a prison
That Is
Evil
It Stands To Reason
This Should Be Interesting
Is There
Insidious

What Are The Chances?

[no further mention]

Dharma [the eternal and inherent nature of reality, regarded in Hinduism as a cosmic law underlying right behaviour and social order. The nature of reality regarded as a universal truth taught by the Buddha; the teaching of Buddhism. an aspect of truth or reality.]

[no further mention]

A Sense of Hope

[no further mention]

Embrace

Embrace the discomfort
An Eternal Entity Consciousness
Children
All The Same
Thoughts Are Products Of...
"Strangers truly are the friends we haven’t met - The souls we don’t forget through life’s long lessons "

Embrace the discomfort
Ancient Grey Entity

William: Yeah. Let it sit. We don't have to buy into the prison mentality and subsequent baiting.
Pseudepigraphical are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.
In this case it is the false attribution that the planet is evil - although to be fair - it does act as a type of prison...not that this is necessarily a bad thing at all...

Embrace a completely new paradigm
Play

Embrace the discomfort
Leave the door open
Tests that cut to the heart
See-Through

Embrace the discomfort
The Elephant and the rider

Honest attempts at scrubbing up

The Taming of The Beast
You are not what you think
Emotions
Ensure
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Modern truth in ancient wisdom

Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Desperation
Story-Makers
Fearful
Radical Self-Acceptance
Radical acceptance
The importance of this system is also in that it uses scientific process to validate ones subjective experience



I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual

I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual
The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show - at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.
Transferring your awareness
Identity
Open Your Heart
Reason Together



The Bidden Zone

The Bidden Zone
The Law
Placing aside the childish not the childlike

The Bidden Zone
Inertia
What Does It Mean

The Bidden Zone
Letting Go

It Is One Of Those Things

It Is One Of Those Things
Sharing data,

The Shared Word-String List
Advantage
It Is One Of Those Things

Pervasive - It Is One Of Those Things - Prevailing Influence

Comprehend
It Is One Of Those Things


Relationship

An Ancient Truthful Wisdom
The art of relationship

Relationship
Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.
As In...
Golden nugget of truth

Awake
Relationship
Unity
Clean

Radical Self-Acceptance - Green Light - Attitude - The art of relationship -

William: The link is to a GM where I end with the words:
"Essentially the message has to do with Relationship - in this case my relationship with The Mother."

The "Mother" being the Planet Earth Entity Consciousness.

William: My own relationship forming with the Cosmic Mind involves setting up ways of communicating and allowing it opportunity to speak for itself.
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Anchor points and related GM entries - Part Two:

Incantation
Dive deep
Ensures You Get To Know It
Incantation
Wholeness
Builder

Stuff Happens
Fascinating
Incantation
Without full understanding of our language, our knowledge is distorted
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense

Secret Root

[no further mention]

Preparation

Opening Doors
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67058#p1067058
Preparation

In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential.
Preparation

Joyful
Preparation
Communication Techniques
Perpetually
Friendship
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Enjoy Progress
It is a Product of Fragmentation
Creativity
Trust The Process

Equity
Preparation is willingness to change

Self Love

[no further mention]

Believing in fearful imagery

Believing in fearful imagery
Sphere
As useful as griffonage
Be authentic
Another Mind Open
Go with the Flow


Television
William: Yes. It is a matter of fact that we can and a matter of duty that we do what we can re "the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined" - What is The Subject re this conversation..."Television" - a system for converting visual images (with sound) into electrical signals, transmitting them by radio or other means, and displaying them electronically on a screen.
This is how The Mind works...


The Butterfly Effect

The Butterfly Effect
The Hangups of Human History
Forum
Fear intimidation distraction exploitation
Enmity

The Butterfly Effect
You Are Watched Over Perpetually
"The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
The Neutral Zone
Self-love
Faithful
Ultimate Expression
The external cannot be known as acutely as the internal can be known

The Butterfly Effect
Science
Influence
Enjoy Progress

Idiosyncratic

[no further mention]

A Jump Ahead

A Jump Ahead
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
Understand/Know
Mapping Wholeness
I AM WE ARE

Available
A Jump Ahead

It Requires Corrective Action

Smoke and Mirrors
It Requires Corrective Action

It Requires Corrective Action
Alive and kicking
Belonging
Access

It Requires Corrective Action
Transformed

The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here

The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
Hyper-normalisation
Variety of Expression

What Is Within Is Without, Equal
The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
The Fog Is Lifting
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.

Falls

[no further mention]

The Divine

The Divine
Sure

The Divine
Ordinary

William: "The divine, ordinary" - or as said another way;
"The key is to understand that 1) there is nothing supernatural going on and 2) to be able to separate the wheat from the chaff."

You can teach me when I’m needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine
The Divine

In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential.

In relation to eternity, 'when' is always a potential.
Preparation

Telling the future

Inappropriate Costume
Telling the future

Ride Water
Telling the future

It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.

It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
Dilatory - slow to act. intended to cause delay.

It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
The Neutral Zone
It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement


Subatomic Particles

Remind
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Do It For Oneself
Subatomic Particles
Be Aware
The Sub Hierarchy
The Finer Details
Sharing Data

Abrahamic Religions

Puzzles/Mysteries...
Abrahamic Religions
Trust
You Can Trust
Heart chakra
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.

Abrahamic Religions~
God/Source/Home
Planet Earth

Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.

The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
The Fog Is Lifting
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Boundaries
Courage
Nature being the very instigator

Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Fine-structure Constant

"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within lest I forget the heart that aches!"

Mind Body Soul
"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches! "

William: The agenda is not to kill the beast but to tame it...there is a seat for it at the table.

The Solution
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within lest I forget the heart that aches!"
Discovery is finding things that exist.
All is fair in love and war
Break Through to Your True Self
The Fare On The Table

It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches!
Always Vigilant

Self-help

The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
Self-help
Egregore
The Data of Experience
Toward a Science of Consciousness

A Good Question

Under the watchful eye
A Good Question

A Good Question
Hive-Minded
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?

How are we to react in relation to our choices? - Active Imagination (see technique) - That Is A Good Question - Forgive - The Stress of Unbelief - Gentle

Exploring
Of this Message Generating Process.
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
Always
A Good Question

The Moment

Stay in the moment

William: Do not place fear into the experience just go with the flow and trust where it takes you...

Whereas I am using the ComLists in a way which doesn't force my own interpretation on the message being generated...
Not to say that within the communications process, I am not interpreting what is being said in the moment - but rather, I am allowing for what is being said to intermix with my thoughts and reflecting back what I think is being conveyed through the GM...open to being corrected if I am getting the wrong end of the stick re that...

Wait for the Navigator to respond...
Room to Explore
The Moment

My general focus though, is on that which is most coherent to me in the moment, because there is plenty of food on that plate to keep me occupied...

Consciousness incarnates into human form
Awake and Waiting
Skills
The Played Piece
The Moment
Time for Soul to Drive

William: "The Played Piece ~The Moment~ Time for Soul to Drive"
Said another way "a human is not separate from this understanding except in their willingness to remain disconnected and in the drivers seat.
"Moments" are thus simply 'things that happen for no apparent reason - there is no congruity involved in the moment...no purpose or meaning outside of getting what you can while you have the opportunity to do so...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...The debate between theists and atheists is one which branches from that point...Within the confines of the constructs

Re that - it is equally important that we are aware - not only of our thoughts in the moment, but also more intrinsically - we are aware of why we think the particular way that we do.

Said another way. "There was I was where I ought - examining my conscious thought." not just having a thought for the sake of having a thought.


The Eigengrau Mind Screen

William: I like the images which are superimposed upon the Eigengrau Mind Screen - even that they are in 'black and white' - as in - all shades of grey - mostly at this time the images are faces - mostly of folk I have not meet ...

Tributary Zones
The Eigengrau Mind Screen

Giving birth

To create more and more consciousness?

Is a Constant
Giving birth
The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
Be Led
Strange Desire
Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
Who Am I
The Significance

Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Celebration
Attitude of gratitude
“But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Hide and Seek
Giving birth
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Mentioned more than once. [Part One]

It is just one of those things.

It is just one of those things.
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Hint
Intelligent
A Clean Channel

It is just one of those things.
Insecure

Heal
It is just one of those things.

The Dawning of The Universe]
It is just one of those things.
Black Holes
Liminal

William: Liminal - relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.

Meaningful

Mother Earth

Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.
Go Within and Find That Place
The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly

OWOBIK [One whom ought be inwardly known]
Mother Earth Harmony
Clarity

Mother Earth
Self-compassion
Energy

Overall
Act With The Situation Rather Than Against It]
"A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am thinking “life is beautiful", is a message."
The Mother
Break the glass ceiling
Nevertheless
Working on that...
Mother Earth
Loving

Endless Cycle
Mother Earth Harmony
Intelligence with Wisdom
Mother Earth
Discernment
Be Free
Equanimous [calm and composed.]

William: "It's a god-awful small affair..." From the link:

Through perseverance and commitment to the engagement, it slowly became apparent to Spirit that some of the things previously hidden from itself, required addressing.

Thus...Sol+Earth=forms through which to deal with those hidden things

Sol represents 'The Husband" and Earth "The Wife" and earthen forms as "The Children" - specifically human beings.

Sol seeds the Mother planet with information and the planet responds by using that information to produce forms.

Mother Earth herself has information within her...a kind of "micro-Sol" as it were...

Free-spirit
Egregore
Besides
Mother Earth Harmony
Loyal
Two sides of the same coin

The Great I Am
The Tree of Life
The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly
Like a Well Oiled Machine

Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence

The Lord God
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
This transformation of the entity is the pathway into wholeness and the recognition that the entity model of expression is a composite of forms and the formless that is unified in one energy, one consciousness.
Attitude

The Forerunner
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Is There
Get Comfortable
Emotional awareness
Produce/Make


William:I am comfortable enough with it myself - due to this Message Generating process, and the idea of remaining neutral - not getting carried away emotionally because of the information being discovered...

Universal Intelligence
One is not wrong

Children
Tell Your Story
Data
Answer

Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Cub
Equity
Progress

To Know
Finding the light
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Science Can Be Fun Too
Friction
Yin yang
Think In Terms Of Eternity
Dynamic

The evidence is too strong, to believe there is no intelligent mind involved as part of the universes structure.
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
We All Like To Play Games
“Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail”]

Coordinate
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
For The Best Results
[Mirror
Personal growth
Training
The path to enlightenment
Investigative Realisation
Trust the Universe
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD
Available
Solidarity

Dive deep

Virtuous
Dive deep
Personal Participation With The One

The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Dive deep
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
“The universe is not short on wake-up calls. We’re just quick to hit the snooze button.”
Lordy! Do I Have To?
Through Device
Universal Mind
“Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people's thinking.”
Intimate connection
Ancient Entity
Welcoming
Learn Well
Green Light
Synchronicity
Reality Simulation
Apotheosis
Honest

Sensory Data Quality
Satisfaction
The art of relationship

Responsibility
Dive deep
Ensures You Get To Know It
Incantation
Wholeness
Builder

Toward a Science of Consciousness
Dive deep

The naked truth
Dive deep
The Father - in The Mother.
“The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched — they must be felt with the heart”
Lifting Our Game
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
Do It For Oneself

Dive deep
Personal freedom
Transferring your awareness
Use Mind

Science Projects
Exploring Fractal Paths
Getting Somewhere
The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns
All The World
From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.
Soul Carrier Memories
Dive deep
An Aladdin's cave

Hive-Minded

Illumination
Hive-Minded

Ace in the hole
Hive-Minded
Here Everything All Real Together
Awake and Waiting

Hive-Minded
Self-talk
Go with the Flow
Cleanliness

Hive-Minded
All system go
Solving Mathematical Problems

Apophenia - Spirituality - Hive-Minded - You Know or You Don't know

Hive-Minded
The One GOD With Many Names
The Subject

A Good Question
Hive-Minded
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?

It Requires Corrective Action

Break Through to Your True Self
Self-love
Christ
Smoke and Mirrors
It Requires Corrective Action

Comprehend
Frequency
Simplicity
Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth
It Requires Corrective Action
Alive and kicking
Belonging
Access
Unknown
Insights!
The Seed of Origin

It Requires Corrective Action
Transformed
Elephant

William: The elephant being the Earth Entity - we are the riders...

Equanimous
Radical Honesty
What Is Within Is Without, Equal
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Mentioned more than once. [Part Two]
Life is a journey

In the Mind
Life is a journey

Large Elemental Powers
Life is a journey

I Think
Life is a journey

There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
Life is a journey
Useful
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed

Little Self
The sound of a Ghost
Lean into it
Communication
Heart Teachers
Little Self

Spiritual Awakening
The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD
Control
Little Self
Data

Being Born
Perfect
Little Self

Interpretation/Feel
Unconscious
Little Self

William: From the link;
From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'
Consciousness forces the question upon itself. "Why do I exist?"
Arguments would have it that the question itself derives from the need to survive - and that has to be true but does not have to be the sum total of the truth.

I Think
Little Self

Reform/Refine
Asking Politely
Jocular
This
Reform/Refine
Eye

William: It certainly gives one pause to think and re-access ones self-image...

Don’t give up

William: Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'?

More
Reform/Refine
Wait for the Navigator to respond...

Reform/Refine
Free-spirit
Go Within and Find That Place
Starve The Distractions Feed The Focus

William: And bring what one is not conscious of, into ones conscious awareness...

What Shall We Call It?
Not Emotion - State Of Being...
Nevertheless
Reform/Refine
Eigengrau

Reform/Refine
Golden nugget

In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine

The Screen
The Screen
Grand Experiment

The Screen
Incendiary

Wakey Wakey
Encouraging
Impervious
Remember who you are
The Screen
Requirements

The Screen
Love
Ouroboros
The Dark Night of The Soul

The Screen
Known/Revealed
Visible
A New Perspective

The Screen
"The problem of evil"
Coddiwomple - to travel in a purposeful manner towards a vague destination
Antic

We are not orphaned - we are authored

Awake
Salvific
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Recovery
Open Hearted

Be Aware
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Lucifer
Shining light
The key

Awesome
Through Device
Love Your Life
Reborn
Illuminating
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Better The Devil You Know
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
System of Giving Energy

Anchors aweigh

Embracing the unknown
Large Elemental Powers
Brave
Joining
Besides
Attached
Anchors aweigh
“True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."
I love you

Phenomenon
Anchors aweigh
Higher Self Dream Guide
Imposed Appropriates Observed
Stay
The Deeper Self
Power
Joining The Main Egregore
Re The Heart Virtues - This is mapping created by humans to explain the developing necessity of survival in an environment which is hostile toward biological life-form.

Assigned

Assigned
Large Elemental Powers
Life is a journey

"You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
Assigned

Theory
Researching
The Body Of G_D
“The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
Assigned
The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain

Eggs In Nests
Phenomenon
“Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling”
Assigned
Communication

Be Aware

Be Aware
The Completion Process
Fearless

Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.
Be Aware
Authenticity

It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
Dilatory - slow to act. intended to cause delay.
How Can We Know
Be Aware
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Lucifer
Shining light
The key

Remind
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Do It For Oneself
Subatomic Particles
Be Aware
The Sub Hierarchy
The Finer Details
Sharing Data
Instant

Circle

What Shall We Call It?
Circle
Path

Circle
"Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time as I step into the great unknown"

On The Right Track
Circle
Embracing the unknown

Heart Teachers
Circle
Gentle

What Is Normal?
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
Three-dimensional
Circle
How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing...
Giving our best
Crystal clear
It is all making sense
Origins
Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.

Contact With

Contact With
Free Will
Hologram Dimensions

Wise
Contact With
What Is Friendship
Worthy of the individuals time and effort

Contact With
Elephant
God Eat Data Heal Cub

Self-love
Sharing Your Love
Unity
Secret
Contact With
youtube.com/watch?v=kJRVeg5LgyE&list=PLA20C1610635E8457
The Barest Hint of Constancy
From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operate quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.

ET and the notion of GODs
Gnosticism
Intransigent
Transferring your awareness
Adjustment
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Contact With

Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions

Once Upon a Time
No Barriers
A fish out of water
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
The Perfect Moment

You have almost been there
Whole-hearted
The Next Step
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Unconditional
Expression of Appreciation of Experience

The Serpent
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.
Selfless Attitude
Intrinsicism
Nurture
The Solution
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within lest I forget the heart that aches!"
Discovery is finding things that exist.
All is fair in love and war
Break Through to Your True Self
The Fare On The Table
Read On
Listen
Behind The Scenery
Confluent
Matrix

Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Nature of Angels
Known/Revealed
Light

Perpetually
Friendship
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Enjoy Progress
It is a Product of Fragmentation
Creativity
Trust The Process

Desynchronized

Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
One
Significance
Development/Growth
"Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time as I step into the great unknown"
Desynchronized

William:Ah...! The Desynchronizing has to do with decoupling from the influence of the suppression matrix...

"We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Life our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine"
I Am
Be here now

Consensual
Happiness
Desynchronized
There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
Make It Up As You Go Along
All Because I Had To Ask
Action Station Central to The Message

Real
Coherence
Phasing
Think outside the box
Toward a Science of Consciousness

Mother Wound
Calculation
Desynchronized

William: Desynchronized - disturb the synchronization of; put out of step or phase.
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event...

Emotion Rides The Prow

Overall
No point in giving you too much to bear
Nature two sides of the same coin
Fearlessness

William: Fearlessness neutralizes fear.

Is Like...
Emotion Rides The Prow
The Banner of Apotheosis
Spring Loaded
Help
That, they can be!

Emotion Rides The Prow
Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.
Shine Your Light
Accept
By/Through
If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human

Embracing the shadow
A Loving Being
A Maze Game
What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?
I'm Okay With That
Embarrass
Emotion Rides The Prow

Getting Over It = Getting On With It
Church Bells
The Hologram of Deception
Emotion Rides The Prow

Episteme [ a philosophical term that refers to a principled system of understanding; scientific knowledge.]

It was at the time - still a work in progress.
What Is Found Here
Set the board up or put the game aside...
Earth Mother
The House of Science
Is a Constant

The Wholeness Navigator
Episteme
This Is Part Of The Job
'Developing a thick skin'


Respect
The Freedom Of Friendship

Episteme
False Accusations
Machine Learning
Stuff Happens

In The Flow
Dilemma
Counsel
Truth
Episteme
Gentle
Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate!
Live with Soul Union

Episteme
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Self-help
Provincial Thinking
To Be Sovereignty
This Is My Kind Of Fun
See-Through
Emergent Theory
So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You

Evil Gods

Artificial Intelligence
Simulacra
Measurements
Barking up the wrong tree
Platonic Solids
Evil Gods

Be My Friend
Collective Dynamics
Sovereignty
That's a good one
Source Intelligence
The Undiscovered Self

Whatever you do
Flat
Duty Calls
Giving our best
Balance of power
Loneliness
The Third Eye
Evil Gods
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves

Gateway
Experience
The Way We Feel Unification
The Development of...
Changing The Rules

Understand/Know]

Evil Gods
That's the way I fire up
The Healing Power
Coordinate Forgiveness
Through Device

William: Therein, is it a case of simply working with what is available even that what is available is not directly supporting your agenda...but is a means to an end anyway?

On The Right Track

Expression Of Appreciation of Experience

GOD
Unbiased
Symbols
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
Chamber Twenty Three
Time for Soul to Drive
Always

Intransigence - Myths and Legends - Extra evidence is provided - Dysfunction - Expression Of Appreciation of Experience - Other Ways Of Using Your Lists

Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Unconditional
Expression of Appreciation of Experience]

William: What I like about it, is that it gives one more scope in which to work within...

Central Intelligence Agency
Out of The Shadow Lands
Humility
Pride
Noise From The Peanut Gallery

All system go
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
Spiritual Activism

Coordinate
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
For The Best Results
Mirror
Personal growth
Training
The path to enlightenment
Investigative Realisation
Trust the Universe

Expression Of Appreciation of Experience
It is a great thing to do small things with great love
System of Giving Energy
The Development of...
Study
We don't have to say we are 'this' or 'that' in order to put practice to Love
The places that scare you
These things have been given to me, now what to do with these things...
Spring Loaded

Universal Intelligence
Without and Within
Hold/Have
Love One Another
"I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends"
Expression of Appreciation of Experience
Timeless

In The Team Of The Collective
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
Expression Of Appreciation of Experience

Getting Off The Hook

Know This
Mystery
Turbulent
Puerility
An Exam

Getting Off The Hook
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves.
We Are All Becoming One

Personal Integrity
Self-acceptance
Getting Off The Hook
Mother Earth
Self-compassion
Energy

The Great Grey Neutral Zone
Getting Off The Hook
GodMagic
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69731#p1069731
Economic
Jesus Christ
Big

Investigative
Getting Off The Hook
Intertextual References
The Father - in The Mother.
The Lord
Let The Day In
Developments
Tenacious
Strength is required
The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing
Jesus' Direct Superior
Vehicle
Healing The Beast
Plant the seed

Exploring
Of this Message Generating Process.
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
Always
A Good Question
Getting Off The Hook
Please offer some means by which we can confirm truth in this matter
"For whom the bell tolls for to gather the souls the numbers in darkness are glowing"
The Underlying Mechanics
Content
Consciousness incarnates into human form
Awake and Waiting
Skills
The Played Piece
The Moment
Time for Soul to Drive

William: The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner...
Therein one finds congruency.

That
To what end exactly?
Reason Together
Getting Off The Hook
This moment is the perfect teacher
Do Not Panic
How can it be any other way?
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Old 1st April 2022, 11:55 AM   #139
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However, I think there is a misconception that Navigator is hung-up on. He rejects the idea that the whole universe could have been compressed into a point or some tiny thing..."almost nothing" I think he refers to it as. But in fact, that is a misunderstanding of the theory. When cosmologists talk about the primordial singularity, most people jump to the conclusion that they are talking about the same sort of singularity that is being referenced with regard to a black hole, but this is not that case at all. The term simply refers to an early hot, dense phase of the universe.
William: I do not reject any idea. Questioning any idea is not the same thing as rejecting any idea.

The questioning itself points to what is referred to as 'magical thinking' in relation to a seed which hung upon itself and the germinated into itself and upon germinating, became a series of unfolding events which we humans - so near the beginning of its unfolding - perceive as an astronomical reality - and one in which we have barely scratched the surface of...

Bearing in mind what we do know about seeds, we understand that they contain coding which - and this is the kicker - require an outside substance in order to be enabled to release that information and become something other than just the seed.

The seed requires a backdrop which already exists in order to be be able to germinate - to release its coding.

That is why I speculate that space is eternal and acts as the ground in which the seed germinates and becomes what its encoding specifies.
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Cyclical - There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe" - Dragons - Mystical - Stuff Happens - The Next Level - Keep me in The Loop - Cautiously - The Brain - Some - Small Elemental Powers -


RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

SCL1 AP = To The Point

6:53

Abrahamic Religions
~Small Elemental Powers
To The Point~
Giving birth
The Meaning of Life
Simplicity

Point of Contact
Fear of the Unknown
~Teddy Naysayer
Unconscious Mind Inertia~
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden

Ignoring...
~An accident waiting to happen
The External Voice~
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73257#p1073257
The Machinery
Algorithm

William: The link is to a post I made about an hour ago - From that post;
Quote:
In order for one to claim the universe has always existed AND account for observed beginning and calculated ending - we have to include the possibility that the environment the universe is beginning and ending in, is eternal.
"The Point" in this case refers to the GZ event [The "Big Bang"]

The machinery is - collectively - this universe and this universe unfolds as directed by its coding...like a germinating seed...
This universe presents [currently] like a seedling rather than the tree it will eventually become...

Sharing Data
An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
ComListSup
One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊

This involves the oft enough overlooked or perhaps more accurately - willfully ignored - importance of the existence of consciousness as not only interacting with the universe but most likely that which encoded the seed and set it to germinate and become something which could then be interreacted with by consciousness.

Advice
~Study
The Taming of The Beast~
Intelligence Without Wisdom
That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You

Universe
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
Hypnagogic
There is an art to flying or rather a knack...
~10 Insights
Write a Book~
"I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual"
That is Correct

Perpetual Creative Conscious Intelligence
~Making Things Easier
The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves~
A measured step

Side Splittingly Funny
Folk get so hung up about the little stuff
Use Heart
Translate
Intransigence
Act With The Situation Rather Than Against It
~Mindfulness
Extravaganza~
Habit
Code
We are not orphaned - we are authored
Power of Silence
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
The evolution of consciousness
Elemental Powers

Breathe In Breathe Out
Imposed Appropriates
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.
~Yellow Light
The Evolution of Morals~
The Eigengrau Mind Screen
Charity
Intention
A Bit Of Both Yes
Reflection
Verdant
Crystal
Wholeness
Voice/Message/Communication

Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral
Sort It Out
https://www.random.org/lists/
~If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system~
Well...Maybe...
Reach
Sophia The Mother

Information Field
Discovering Internal Triggers
~Extra-Small
Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex~
Creative Conscious Intelligence
Educational
Self-help
Sound
"I know how you care while you nurture your fear that you'll miss the bouquet when its thrown"
Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics
Serendipity
Simple
Apophenia - [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between apparently unrelated things. ..]

Everything Is Unique
~Strength of Mind
Logos – word reason plan~
Mutual Dutiful Expression
I Have My Duty
Lady Luck Mother Guide
Toward a Science of Consciousness
Computer Coding

Truth Without Proof Is Belief
Beyond Belief
In Training For...
Move
The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us
~Wise
The waters of the deep~
The Body of God
Bandages of The Beast
Self-Aware
Constructors and tasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo

To Add to That
~Final Destination
The Respect One Gives and Receive~
Whichever 'way' one traverses the experience of their individuate life - we are never truly independent - so whichever group we choose to associate with will be the group we best identify as being...if the self-identity is incorrect - then no matter the position [theist/non-theist] one will always see the 'different' ...so there is no point whatsoever in fearing that, if one is self-identifying correctly
Morning
Dualic Residue
Loving
Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em
Break Through to Your True Self
Word-String
Regimented: Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Scape
Transforming
The Data of Demystification

William: Associated with the Uncertainty Principle?

What Is That You Are Playing With
Arms Crossed
~An Elemental Principle
Raphael ~
Working With What Is Available
"I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
First Things First
Parity
Sharing Your Love
Sustainability

In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
Leave a Trail
Hidden riches
~Freedom in The Knowing
Fury~ [extreme strength or violence in an action or a natural phenomenon.]
Pertinent
Beauty
Hypnagogic experience
A Space Without A Time...

Presence
Indestructible
~Remnant Seed
Human Imagination Has Consequences~
External validation
Sleeping Dragon

One is not wrong
Sleep Paralysis
Intelligent Directions
Healing The Beast
Untrue
~The Free Will Key
The Underlying Mechanics~
Secret Root
A Real Beauty

William: The activation re the 'alternate experience' which opened my mind up to realizing that free will has its limitations and thus is not really 'free'...yet ones actions oft enough determine outcomes along the linear of one subjective experience...there is enough 'free will' involved to allow the individual the ability to choose re his/her experience within the reality construct, without having to obsess over whether even their choices are pre-determined...there is a bit of slack in that regard, in order to give the individual a sense of voluntary involvement...

Self-respect
Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
Independence
Charge
The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd
Alive and kicking
Mindful
Heart chakra
"Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation"
~Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
Your House Work~

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William: IF:
there is a Cosmic Mind
THEN:
Eventually, any species which survives long enough to continue along with the unfolding universe will eventually discover that and invent ways in which to engage.

Our current position is so close to the beginning as to be counted as mostly inconsequential to that future specie-wide discovery and engagement but it is still interesting and pertinent that ignorance branched into theism for it shows the propensity of self-aware consciousness to understand that no matter where it finds itself, it wonders what it is doing there and goes about ways in which to investigate in order to answer the question.

Whereas the non-theistic branch simply wants to take advantage of the situation and leave such questions outside the tightly shut and curtained window... assuming that such a time will never come because there is no Cosmic Mind.

How they know this for sure, has never been explained adequately enough for me to accept their assessment of the situation - and subjectively speaking - my Window of Opportunity [WoO] is wide open and I am finding the sights to see, very interesting.
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The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
Where are we getting our news from?
The relevant scientific community?
A projection of one’s subconscious?
Placing aside the childish not the childlike

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William: Yes. As I wrote today;
Quote:
It is certainly true that I use the theistic filter as a means of interpreting what is being observed, I also understand that ancient theists had already established in their belief systems the idea of the big bang and their mythology ["lies to children" as Pixel42 referred to such-type stories] came about thousands of years before modern scientists confirmed it to being the case.
RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

SCL1 AP = Confluent [flowing together or merging.]

10:04

The Mother is Love
Secure
The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism
The Butterfly Effect
Make It Real
The Clear Eye Of Soul
Love Life
~Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
Confluent~

William: Confluent = 110 as do;
Something
Meeting Place
Purpose
Vibration
Objectives
Mixture
Real Beauty
Recommendable
Time and Space
Independent
Translate
Do The Science
An Aladdin's cave
Pot of Gold
Nehushtan

William: It seems apparent enough that science as it is used today can do without any formal conscious acknowledgment of The Cosmic Mind...thus all things deriving from modern science are unconsciously motivated by The Cosmic Mind, giving the impression that human minds are the only thing operating the science...
Re The mythology which is The Fifth Interview between the storyline roles of Sara and Dr. Neruda, the technology human science is developing is focused upon transhumanism with the intent of creating a means by which scientists can extend their stay in this universe indefinitely, which theoretically finally 'kills god' in the sense that such theistic nuance's become moot/invalid and the building of such a future is manifested due to this being presumed already by those building it.

"God is dead/invalid".

Adequately explaining why the billions of theists currently existing are seen to be 'surplus to requirement' in that regard - where they are currently useful is in providing the scientists with the means by which they can make this future real. Theists - like theism - are/is expendable in the long term but useful to kick-start with...

However, even that this is the likeliest future for humanity - engaging with technology in this manner and allowing for the perpetual 'stay' in this environment will not destroy "GOD" if indeed there actually is a Cosmic Mind, because eventually this will have to become so apparent to the long-stayers that they will have no choice but to conceded that - on that point - they failed to eradicate theism, because at the heart of theism is The Cosmic Mind, whatever it is otherwise referred to by individual/grouped theists.

And even that there is an awesome amount of predicted time left for the non-theists to enjoy their stay hereabouts, there is the unavoidable inevitability of the already known fact, that it will not be lasting in its current manifestation, forever.

GM: Journey to wholeness

William: Yes - the slow way...in comparison...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528

William: Woo-slingers "There ain't room in this town for both of us" mentality

GM: First Things First
Slowly and Surely
Decisive
Courageous

William: I agree with that. I can understand the annoyance non-theists have with many of the fragmented images specific theists religions exhibit.
It indeed does take courage to want to exist in this universe for as long as this universe exists.

GM: Philo2

William: The philosophy is concerned with The Shifting Models of Existence and exemplifies the fluid motion of the universe in relation to consciousness.
Opening paragraph:
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The consciousness of the Sovereign Integral is the destination that beckons the human instrument inward into the reality of First Source. In all the wanderings of the human consciousness from Source Reality, it has eliminated the compelling features of Source Reality through the application of the logical mind and the persistent belief in the language of limitation that flows from the external controls of the hierarchy.
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Projecting~
Sangreal

William: It is very likely that a lot of theistic inspiration and accompanying mythology came from the use of plants which had chemical effects on human brains.

GM: You Are
Identify oppressive structures...
Equanimous [calm and composed.]
Lordy! Do I Have To?
Thinking Allowed
Memorandum
Simplicity
~The way of knowledge
Condescending Ideas About Imagination~
Side Splittingly Funny
Meaningful coincidence
Navigational Aids
Deconstruct The Message
Questions
Gateway
Neurotransmitters
When In Doubt - Set It Aside
Victim Vamp Energy Systems
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
Standstill Contemplate
"But hey, we can all hope that over time the mainstream view is tending towards the truth. It's certainly a lovely idea"

William: Yes - it essentially does not matter what path is taken - the non-theist path or the theist path - the conclusion is always going to be the same eventually.
Theists themselves have much work to do in regard to how they have chosen to dress up the Cosmic Mind in unsuitable mythological attire...if only for the fact that they allowed themselves to believe the mythology represent actual truth rather than metaphorical story-telling...

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Ones Thoughts
Green Light
Alike as two peas in a pod
Astonishment
Unless of course, you think otherwise
Practicing peace
Expansiveness
Expression of Astonishment
Indication
Celebration
Hive-Minded
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William: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...

Seeds: I like what you're saying there, VVilliam, however, I'm not a fan of the word "Simulation" when it comes to the workings of the universe.

"Illusion," yes. But "Simulation," not so much.

A "Simulation" of what?

William: I have seen this complaint before seeds, and it caused me to pause and reflect if that is the correct word to be using.

That is why I call it a 'reality simulation' as it is simulating a reality which can be experienced as real.

More to the point, whatever is experiencing it as real has to be conscious, so the only real thing in the whole HERS are the consciousnesses which are experiencing it.

If any illusion is going on regarding that, it is the idea that consciousness is the illusion and the universe is the real thing, which is the basic tenet of emergent theory and the overall message supporters of that theory, preach....

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Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.

William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.

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Destination

William: Downright 'evil' when externalized/projected onto self and others...

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A Clean Channel

William: Finding one through all of that shame, is problematic

GM: A programmed reality that is not real
Better The Devil You Know
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Preternatural

William: Yes. Both "God" and "Devil" are imaged as "beyond what is normal or natural." because things of the universe are deemed "Good" or "Evil" depending upon personal preferences - preferences which are muddied from the go-get...
The more natural observation re the universe is that it is neither good or evil.
Therefore, in order to deconstruct these pernicious views, we have to see them for what they are rather than imagine them to be 'this or that' as the premise based in ideas pertaining to "good and evil"

GM: Noetics [a branch of metaphysics concerned with the study of mind as well as intellect.]
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
Leaders and Followers
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Light Body
In Denial
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William: The link leads to a reply I made in a discussion about the universe.

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Memorandum
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Reminiscent
"You Know or You Don't know"
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Giving our best
Imaginative Realities
Science Projects
We Can Do Magic!
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Fury
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Invent
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You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.

William: Certainly, in the earlier days I did approach this whole subject with a sense of anger, frustration etc which could be summed up as "fury" but that was then and this is now - I suppose the anger had everything to do with the sense of shame for being human...but obviously - given the correct navigating - anger can lead to a good thing eventually and since we all come from ignorance, varying degrees of anger-based issues are natural enough given the circumstances....
I do have that sense - every day I use the GM system - that it is a powerful device for blowing the idea of true randomness out of the park...

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Bond
“No sailor controls the sea.”
Repudiate
Feeling State
Identify Common Denominators
Defamatory
Anti theism
Calculator
Standstill Contemplate
Point of Contact
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"I'm Okay With That"
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WindBlown
Different ways of supporting the same objective.
Knowing
Nature

William: Indeed. If it could be seen as a natural enough occurrence, forgiveness can replace the shame of it all.
Or - said another way - "Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us."
The idea of cultivating the thought "I'm Okay With That" to the point of being able to forgive "that" is equal to "knowing nature". It is not saying one is "okay" with something which is obviously pernicious but rather in doing something which is counter-destructive...

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Wonder
Through Device
The Deep and Meaningful
The top tiny twelve
The Machinery
Random coincidence? I think not.
What Do You Like About It?
The Human Interface
It is Found Within The Experience of Self
Uncertainty Principle
A cultural touchstone
"If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
Stroke of luck

William: "Stroke of luck" being used in the tongue in cheek fashion...I daresay, that those who have the least shame about being human, are enabled to contribute better things into the human paradigm.

There is 'where' to 'flee' exactly? Out there is the great cosmos? That is a cultural reaction to fleeing the overall shame humanity dumps upon itself and the destruction it causes.
The alternative space programs - while a product of this self-loathing disguised as superiority complex - {in the early days re Nazi-history} - blossomed into a thing of beauty re human achievement and ability and as a possibly means of escaping that majority shame-based phenomena which appears intent on wiping itself off the face of the universe...on the one hand, scientists are not above creating the weapons the masses can use to achieve this thing the masses appear to want to achieve...while on the other hand are they seeking ways in which to preserve the things the masses wish to destroy...

Of course, these two polarities don't make for an ideal base in which to launce our stuff out into the greater cosmos ...but "beggars can't be chooses" as the saying goes.

"If Only" the great minds of today could come up with an alternative plan which sees both the masses and the space programs benefitting unashamedly, a better overall thing could be accomplished...

GM: Precognition
Secular Science Projects
Simulation
For The Purpose Of
Teddy Naysayer
Without Comparison
Experience is the best teacher
Rejuvenate
Conjunction
"No thought about fate or of ending up late yet I still like to think where I'm going"
Start where you are
Sharing Data
Impressionable
Develop a basic, fact-based view first and then ask the question.
Unconscious Mind Inertia

William: Well Yes - whatever way it unfolds, eventually it is "All Good".

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I cannot deny what knowledge works for me and my subjective experience re The Mind. My own, yours, anyone's else...Science has barely scratched the surface.
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The fact that science does not know everything is not an excuse to wilfully ignore what it does know. And it does actually know a fair bit about quite a lot of things, much of which you wold be capable of understanding if your mind was not so firmly closed to anything except your own baseless speculations. One of the things it knows is how easily people can fool themselves into believing their subjective experiences give them "knowledge that works for me" which is actually provably false.
You really need to place your 'common sense' at the door here, and realize the truth that scientist know more about the physical universe [PU] than they do about the mind.

The Cosmic Mind is vaster than the PU and an essential element to how the universe unfolds.

Even with the individual mind, the subconscious is not understood very well and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their overall mind.

Presently most individuals remain unconscious of that inner universe and thus are unaware of the potential therein to which they can tap into and benefit from.
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The fact that science does not know everything about the mind is not an excuse to wilfully ignore what it does know. One of the things it knows is how easily people can fool themselves into believing their subjective experiences give them "knowledge that works for me" which is actually provably false.
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The fact that science does not know everything about the mind is not an excuse to wilfully ignore what it does know. One of the things it knows is how easily people can fool themselves into believing their subjective experiences give them "knowledge that works for me" which is actually provably false.
Lets have at it then.

First thing I will point out is that I am skeptical of folk making unsupported statements as if the statement was fact.
I treat unsupported statements as opinion, and am weary of internet opinions until accompanying support is included.

On that, while your statement implies that the science has been done on this, please provide the science to back up your statement;

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fyi Evidence of something cannot be 'willfully ignored' until it has been offered, so since you have not offered any supporting evidence, your opinion - while noted - requires supporting evidence, before I can make a choice as to how to respond.

Please keep in mind that the subject matter in this case are the Generated Messages and how they provide my subjective experience with "knowledge that works for me".

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Pixel42 is probably far more able to carry on this discussion, but I will note that this:
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First thing I will point out is that I am skeptical of folk making unsupported statements as if the statement was fact.
I treat unsupported statements as opinion, and am weary of internet opinions until accompanying support is included.

Seems somewhat at odds with this:
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The Cosmic Mind is vaster than the PU and an essential element to how the universe unfolds.

Even with the individual mind, the subconscious is not understood very well and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their overall mind.

Presently most individuals remain unconscious of that inner universe and thus are unaware of the potential therein to which they can tap into and benefit from.
Which is offered without any support or evidence at all, let alone evidence that can reliably investigated, or tested for confirmation bias, or tested for anything for that matter.
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Lets have at it then.
I have explained. I have given you the terms to look up and some links. I have given you examples of the provably false beliefs which have resulted from failing to compensate for the same cognitive biases that you are ignoring. What more do you want?

Start educating yourself.
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Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
...I am skeptical of folk making unsupported statements as if the statement was fact.
I treat unsupported statements as opinion, and am weary of internet opinions until accompanying support is included...
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...The Cosmic Mind is vaster than the PU and an essential element to how the universe unfolds...
You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'vaster than' the physical universe.

You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'an essential element to how the universe unfolds'.

Hell, you have not even demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' even exists in the first place.

I am sceptical of your unsupported statements.


ETA: somewhat beaten to the punch by JimOfAllTrades & Pixel42. Also, regarding the highlighted, did you mean 'wary'? That would make more sense.
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I have explained. I have given you the terms to look up and some links. I have given you examples of the provably false beliefs which have resulted from failing to compensate for the same cognitive biases that you are ignoring. What more do you want?
In order for you opinion to be more than simply opinion, it is necessary for you to explain why your opinion is a matter of scientific fact, in relation to The Generated Messages and how they provide my subjective experience with "knowledge that works for me".

If you are unwilling to support your statement, it remains unsupported opinion.
But you know the drill Pixel. It is up to the one making the claim to do the work, not just claim they have mentioned a few 'examples' and tell the one they are critiquing to go off and 'do the work'.

That is not how debate works.
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Cognitive biases exist, and are responsible for provably false perceptions and beliefs. They are the reason why subjective experiences and anecdotal evidence are insufficient to reach reliable conclusions, and objective evidence is required before a claim can be accepted. Your claims are entirely based on your subjective experiences, so they cannot be accepted until and unless you can come up with a way of objectively testing them.

None of this is disputed by anyone with the slightest knowledge and understanding of the scientific method.
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I will note that this:

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I treat unsupported statements as opinion, and am weary of internet opinions until accompanying support is included.

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Seems somewhat at odds with this:
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The Cosmic Mind is vaster than the PU and an essential element to how the universe unfolds.

Even with the individual mind, the subconscious is not understood very well and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their overall mind.

Presently most individuals remain unconscious of that inner universe and thus are unaware of the potential therein to which they can tap into and benefit from.

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Which is offered without any support or evidence at all, let alone evidence that can reliably investigated, or tested for confirmation bias, or tested for anything for that matter.
The statement is based upon the fact that re the individual mind, the subconscious is not understood very well and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their overall mind.

Therefore assuming there may well be a Cosmic Mind - we are unlikely to find it 'out there' no matter what space-junk we might invent.

The only place left to look therefore, is within our own mind - and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their own overall mind.

That is a reasonable statement to make and the statement itself is not based simply upon personal opinion, but upon active integration and interaction, which is precisely why I wrote "knowledge that works for me" and which Pixel appears to disagree with.

That is what the Message Generating System is very useful for, hence my saying they "provide my subjective experience with "knowledge that works for me", to which Pixel has opinioned otherwise.
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You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'vaster than' the physical universe.
You will need to place your common sense at the door in regard to that idea.
Think of it in terms of the singularity.
Size isn't a physical property of consciousness. My statement therefore has to do with the mind being able to imagine not just one universe, but multiple universes.
One type of evidence for this being the case can see seen in the books of all the libraries in the world.
So it is only logical the Cosmic Mind will be vaster than the physical universe in the same way that the human mind is vaster than the environment the individual is within.

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You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'an essential element to how the universe unfolds'.
The Earth Herself demonstrates that. Obviously re the construction of biological life-forms, She is very capable.

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Hell, you have not even demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' even exists in the first place.
The existence of the PU demonstrates it. Mind within Matter. Matter within Mind.
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Cognitive biases exist, and are responsible for provably false perceptions and beliefs.
You haven't yet made the connection between the GM System and Cognitive bias, other than assume this is what is occurring.


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They are the reason why subjective experiences and anecdotal evidence are insufficient to reach reliable conclusions, and objective evidence is required before a claim can be accepted.
You are referring to physical reference. The mind is not physical and so such device is not made available by scientists since they can only deal with what is physically able to be probed.
Thus, any claim made re science and the mind, has to be backed up somehow, in order for it to be more than just anecdotal evidence, because otherwise they are insufficient to reach any reliable conclusions.

Material Science deals with and backs up materialism. The Mind is not material, and therefore - as you should be aware - The Mind remains a hard problem for any device of materialist science to probe and uncover and make known.



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Your claims are entirely based on your subjective experiences, so they cannot be accepted until and unless you can come up with a way of objectively testing them.
I have explained the way I achieve this. Because it is the realm of the mind, unless others actually objectively put that to the test, any hand-waving statements of opinion are inadequate and remain insufficient a device in which to reach reliable conclusions

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None of this is disputed by anyone with the slightest knowledge and understanding of the scientific method.
I have and will continue to dispute it.

Do you think that the JWST was designed to discover The Cosmic Mind? Of course not!

So why are you arguing that there should be a "scientific method" when you already know scientific devices are for the study of physical things, not non-physical things, such as The Mind?

Perhaps it is because you are a materialist and your bias in that regard has clouded your Cognitive senses?
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To clarify where I am saying Pixel is making assumptions re the GMSystem and it being a product of Cognitive biases..

A cognitive bias is a systematic pattern of deviation from norm and in that, Pixel has yet to establish what 'the norm' is in relation or how I am 'deviating' from that.

Also Pixel has yet to establish a clear connect between the output of the GM and any lapse of rationality in judgment.

If individuals create their own "subjective reality" from their perception of the input, the input is coming from where? Objective reality obviously.
What Pixel has yet to establish is the claim Pixel made that my use of the GMSystem does not work for me.


Furthermore, Pixel has yet to show that my use of GM to assist me with a cognitively sound construction of reality, [the mind being part of said reality] is not an objective input, that influences my behavior in the world.
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You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'vaster than' the physical universe.
You will need to place your common sense at the door in regard to that idea.
Think of it in terms of the singularity.
Size isn't a physical property of consciousness. My statement therefore has to do with the mind being able to imagine not just one universe, but multiple universes.
One type of evidence for this being the case can see seen in the books of all the libraries in the world.
So it is only logical the Cosmic Mind will be vaster than the physical universe in the same way that the human mind is vaster than the environment the individual is within.
There is no logic in this argument.
You still haven't demonstrated the existence of a 'cosmic mind'.


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You have not demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' is 'an essential element to how the universe unfolds'.
The Earth Herself demonstrates that. Obviously re the construction of biological life-forms, She is very capable.
Intelligent design? How original.
You still haven't demonstrated the existence of a 'cosmic mind'.


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Hell, you have not even demonstrated that 'the cosmic mind' even exists in the first place.
The existence of the PU demonstrates it. Mind within Matter. Matter within Mind.
The existence of a physical universe neither demonstrates, nor proves, the existence of a 'cosmic mind'.
You still haven't demonstrated the existence of a 'cosmic mind'.


I remain sceptical of your unsupported statements.
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I remain sceptical of your unsupported statements.
This is most likely because you are a materialist and as such, make the mistake of marginalizing the role of the immaterial mind in relation to the material universe.
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This is most likely because you are a materialist and as such, make the mistake of marginalizing the role of the immaterial mind in relation to the material universe.
I think it's more likely because they're appropriately skeptical of unsupported statements such as the "immaterial mind". There is no evidence or support of any mind divorced of a material brain of some kind.
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I think it's more likely because they're appropriately skeptical of unsupported statements such as the "immaterial mind". There is no evidence or support of any mind divorced of a material brain of some kind.
Indeed - you yourself should know you are not alone in thinking this.

It is related to Cognitive bias and that is why you are able to express your thinking in the way that you do.
Materialism does not tolerate the idea that the mind is anything other than an emergent property of brains.

Whereas, one can simply identify similar acts of self awareness in biological forms, which most obviously do not have anything resembling brains.

Even so, as an obviously materialist idea, it falls short of explaining anything or clearing up the hard problem of consciousness.

Rather, as pointed out - it simply marginalizes consciousness, and does not explain how a material thing would create an immaterial thing or even how it could.
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