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Old 19th September 2022, 12:01 PM   #241
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Well, we can tell what kind of person you prefer to be in charge.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:02 PM   #242
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
So which big dick are you supporting?

Too early to say. What I can say is, I will not vote for Trump. Even if I have to sit it out. But I don't think there is any chance of him getting the nomination, anyway. Of course I didn't think there was any chance of him winning in 2016, either.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:07 PM   #243
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Originally Posted by gnome View Post
Well, we can tell what kind of person you prefer to be in charge.
Someone just like them. A racist white supremacist who doesn't believe that *checks notes* women and brown people are actually people.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:13 PM   #244
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Please we refused jews fleeing the holocaust, why should we treat them any better? There is nothing american about helping others.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:17 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Too early to say. What I can say is, I will not vote for Trump. Even if I have to sit it out. But I don't think there is any chance of him getting the nomination, anyway. Of course I didn't think there was any chance of him winning in 2016, either.
No, but you've made it plain you're glad he did.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:17 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Too early to say. What I can say is, I will not vote for Trump. Even if I have to sit it out. But I don't think there is any chance of him getting the nomination, anyway. Of course I didn't think there was any chance of him winning in 2016, either.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of dicks to choose from, one of whom will mirror your own beliefs. Maybe even one who thinks raped children should be forced to give birth and letting homeless people die for lack of insurance is fine, too.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:23 PM   #247
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/martha...enefits-report

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Migrants who were last week flown to Martha’s Vineyard were allegedly given a brochure containing lies about the benefits they could expect to receive in Massachusetts, according to a report. Around 50 Venezuelan and Colombian people were flown on two planes from Florida to the popular vacation spot last Wednesday, with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis taking credit for what he trollishly termed the “​​relocation program to transport illegal immigrants to sanctuary destinations.” Amid previous reports that the migrants were misled about where they were going or what they could expect upon arrival, Popular Information on Monday published images of a brochure which was allegedly given to the migrants who agreed to board the flights. The document, which was reportedly sourced by a legal organization representing 30 of the migrants, claims arrivals in Massachusetts can expect “8 months cash assistance,” “assistance with housing,” “food,” “job placement,” and other benefits. The benefits described are in fact only available to specially designated refugees, and not migrants currently in the process of seeking asylum.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:30 PM   #248
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Originally Posted by bruto View Post
No, but you've made it plain you're glad he did.
Can't have a split tail win! Especially one whose business associates in a land deal were convicted of a crime. Oh, wait....


(Thanks, smartcooky)
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:32 PM   #249
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Clearly, this was just an accident.
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:38 PM   #250
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So like all political discourse we've devolved right back to:

"Prove to me why I should care about other people"

vs

"America did bad things in the past, so it's not allowed to do good things now."
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Old 19th September 2022, 12:48 PM   #251
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It could just be DeSantis’s indifferent inhumanity towards his fellow man. The poor and underprivileged are mere objects to be used for his own ends.
Homo homini lupus est. It is rarely true, but de Santis is one of the cases where it is.
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Old 19th September 2022, 01:03 PM   #252
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These dumb analogies are built around a fear-mongering core. I guess this is what they call a Godwin. Glad you cut to the chase and invoked it early.
Well in this analogy not all the “Germans” acted like republicans
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Old 19th September 2022, 01:21 PM   #253
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
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With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
And the nation always hated immigrants despite one city putting that on a statue.
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Old 19th September 2022, 01:25 PM   #254
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
So like all political discourse we've devolved right back to:

"Prove to me why I should care about other people"

vs

"America did bad things in the past, so it's not allowed to do good things now."
I think america should do good things now, but we shouldn't pretend that there is something about american culture that includes doing such things. FDR new about the holocaust and wouldn't permit jews fleeing the germans from seeking asylum in the US in 1943. The extent everyone knew about the holocaust and then acted all surprised and hypocritically said "oh if only we knew".
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No, but you've made it plain you're glad he did.

Practically anything was better than the alternative. Now, I might be able to see myself voting for DeSantis, depending on what the Dems come up with.
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Old 19th September 2022, 02:00 PM   #256
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And the nation always hated immigrants despite one city putting that on a statue.
You seem to forget that you are a nation OF immigrants - you're all British, Irish, Polish, German, Dutch, Chinese, Finnish, French and/or Swedish, et al - well at least, those of you who aren't Native American.
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One of my coworkers brought it up this morning what a ********. I had to almost convince her to care about live human beings used as playthings in this cynical political game and that anybody would be shocked if a caravan of unfamiliar people were dropped off at your neighborhood.
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Massachusetts attorneys who work with immigrants and refugees say the information in the brochure given to the Texas migrants by Florida officials is inaccurate. It pertains to "refugees who have been referred by the United Nations and authorized to live in the United States." The website Popular Information dot com acquired a copy.



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DeSantis has been adamant that the migrants were not misled. He claims that migrants were provided with a map showing the destination was Martha's Vineyard and describes the flights as "all voluntary." Appearing on Fox News on Sunday Morning, Florida Lt. Governor Jeanette Nunez (R) called allegations that the migrants were misled "categorically false." Link to Popular Information dot com
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You seem to forget that you are a nation OF immigrants - you're all British, Irish, Polish, German, Dutch, Chinese, Finnish, French and/or Swedish, et al - well at least, those of you who aren't Native American.
The americaphobe American goes back to the mid-60s, when it was chic to be rabidly hateful about anything and everything USAian. You absolutely weren't cool if you didn't talk that talk.

Walking the walk? Well, making the protest scene was close enough. If you could get teargassed, you were really heavy, man. Doin' a number on the stablishment's head. Grooveh.

Me, I wore bell bottoms and Earth Shoes to my office job at the university. So you see? Outer side, bruth.
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It occurs to me to wonder, if it turns out that De Santis is not breaking the law doing what he's doing, doesn't that mean that the governor of another state could simply fly a bunch of immigrants to Florida and drop them there? Maybe on the doorstep of Mar a Lago, or some other one of the many high-zoot neighborhoods that exist in Florida.

Of course, as usual, I presume that no sane or decent governor would do this, because it's stupid and wrong, but as usual the right wing counts on their opposition being foolishly attached to principle, so they know they can get away with it.
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Practically anything was better than the alternative. Now, I might be able to see myself voting for DeSantis, depending on what the Dems come up with.
Of course, you see yourself voting for DeSantis: he's the Trump mini-me. You get to vote for "Trump" all the while claiming the high ground of not voting for Trump. Win-win for you.

Name one Democrat you'd vote for over DeSantis. And he (won't include any women for obvious reasons) can't be a Democrat from pre-1960's.
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And the nation always hated immigrants despite one city putting that on a statue.
Well, the statue is herself an immigrant so of course she'd say pro-immigration things!
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It occurs to me to wonder, if it turns out that De Santis is not breaking the law doing what he's doing, doesn't that mean that the governor of another state could simply fly a bunch of immigrants to Florida and drop them there? Maybe on the doorstep of Mar a Lago, or some other one of the many high-zoot neighborhoods that exist in Florida.

Of course, as usual, I presume that no sane or decent governor would do this, because it's stupid and wrong, but as usual the right wing counts on their opposition being foolishly attached to principle, so they know they can get away with it.
Could we just drop huge piles of steaming dog poo on the doorstep of Mar a Lago instead?
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The website Popular Information (it won an award for excellence in journalism in 2020 from the Online News Association) gives more information about DeSantis' 'stunt.'
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The charter flights appear to be inspired by a Tucker Carlson monologue from July 26, in which the notoriously xenophobic host suggested sending migrants to Martha's Vineyard in "huge numbers." DeSantis reportedly sent a videographer along for the ride, and Fox News obtained "exclusive footage of the migrants’ arrival."

The migrants were used as political pawns in the hopes of provoking a negative reaction from a liberal community. "When people are brought to their front door, they go berserk," DeSantis said. "Their virtue signaling is a fraud." But the people in Martha's Vineyard did not go berserk. Instead, they rallied together to provide shelter, food, clothing, and other necessities for the group. Link to Popular Information report
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DeSantis’ Migrant Planes Have Financial Ties To GOP And Russian Govt.

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The aviation company Ron DeSantis hired to fly migrants to Martha’s Vineyard buys equipment from Russia, donates to Florida Republicans and received a PPP loan while Trump was still in office.

Forensic News’ Scott Stedman did a deep dive into the disturbing financials of Vertol Systems Company Inc. (VSC), the Destin, Florida aviation company awarded $615,000 by the Florida Department of Transportation for “relocation program of unauthorized aliens.”

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Archived versions of VSC’s website, which was deleted sometime after the last capture on August 2nd, show that the company claimed that it was “the only civil company currently operating Russian helicopters in the United States.”
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Stedman notes that shipping records support this claim. Most records indicate VSC has imported parts and equipment from a “little-known Ukrainian company called Avexcom, whose ultimate beneficiary could not be established.” However other records show that VSC has “imported helicopters directly from Russian government-owned corporations.” That includes a 2018 transaction for $48 million, in 2018, with a company that’s a subsidiary of a state-owned and controlled holding company.

That company and its subsidiary were sanctioned in 2022, by the Biden administration, for producing helicopters used by Russia in its war against Ukraine.

Under Donald Trump, however, the U.S government awarded the company a Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) loan of $255,585 on April 13, 2020.

According to Judd Legum, VSC also donated $10,000 to the Republican Party of Florida, in 2019 and nearly $8,000 directly or to a PAC in support of Rep. Matt Gaetz:
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"When people are brought to their front door, they go berserk," DeSantis said. "Their virtue signaling is a fraud." But the people in Martha's Vineyard did not go berserk. Instead, they rallied together to provide shelter, food, clothing, and other necessities for the group.

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Proposal: Massachusetts should offer free bus tickets to Tallahassee to homeless people who volunteer (adults only, no children). Don't lie to them, make the risks clear to them, but offer free bus tickets, food and clothing, and offer to pay for 2-3 months housing and expenses for them when they get there, to establish them while they look for jobs.
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Proposal: Massachusetts should offer free bus tickets to Tallahassee to homeless people who volunteer (adults only, no children). Don't lie to them, make the risks clear to them, but offer free bus tickets, food and clothing, and offer to pay for 2-3 months housing and expenses for them when they get there, to establish them while they look for jobs.
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Name one Democrat you (as in Warp12) would vote for over DeSantis. And he (won't include any women for obvious reasons) can't be a Democrat from pre-1960's.
David Wu? Cal Cunningham? Anthony Weiner? John Conyers Jr.?
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Name one Democrat you'd vote for over DeSantis. And he (won't include any women for obvious reasons) can't be a Democrat from pre-1960's.

Obama 2.0. Whoever that is.

It's not cryptkeeper Biden or token Harris, that's for sure.
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Obama 2.0. Whoever that is.

It's not cryptkeeper Biden or token Harris, that's for sure.
If you are defining Harris as a token, can you explain why Pence was not a token Christian designed to draw religious people who saw through Trump’s ******** and recognized him as the lying, cheating, self-centered, conspiracy-loving, scientifically-illiterate, attention-whore that he is
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Obama 2.0. Whoever that is.

It's not cryptkeeper Biden or token Harris, that's for sure.
No you wouldn't.

We have read enough of your posts to know that your sudden "love" for Obama is basically an attempt at diversion from the fact that the people you actually like are having a pretty bad time and like your hero, the orange bloat, you don't like to be linked with "losers."
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Proposal: Massachusetts should offer free bus tickets to Tallahassee to homeless people who volunteer (adults only, no children). Don't lie to them, make the risks clear to them, but offer free bus tickets, food and clothing, and offer to pay for 2-3 months housing and expenses for them when they get there, to establish them while they look for jobs.
Red states already use Greyhound therapy.
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You seem to forget that you are a nation OF immigrants - you're all British, Irish, Polish, German, Dutch, Chinese, Finnish, French and/or Swedish, et al - well at least, those of you who aren't Native American.
But so many of them are the wrong color of immigrant. Like how Ben Franklin complained that this was no longer a nation of proper white people because all those swarthy germans were immigrating to Pennsylvania.

"That the Number of purely white People in the World is proportionably very small. All Africa is black or tawny. Asia chiefly tawny. America (exclusive of the new Comers) wholly so. And in Europe, the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth. I could wish their Numbers were increased. And while we are, as I may call it, Scouring our Planet, by clearing America of Woods, and so making this Side of our Globe reflect a brighter Light to the Eyes of Inhabitants in Mars or Venus, why should we in the Sight of Superior Beings, darken its People? why increase the Sons of Africa, by Planting them in America, where we have so fair an Opportunity, by excluding all Blacks and Tawneys, of increasing the lovely White and Red? But perhaps I am partial to the Complexion of my Country, for such Kind of Partiality is natural to Mankind."

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Hating the next immigrants is one of the most american of traditions that people learn on coming here.
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Proposal: Massachusetts should offer free bus tickets to Tallahassee to homeless people who volunteer (adults only, no children). Don't lie to them, make the risks clear to them, but offer free bus tickets, food and clothing, and offer to pay for 2-3 months housing and expenses for them when they get there, to establish them while they look for jobs.
You just described housing first initiatives which have been really successful in the cities they are tried. Given how rough New England winters can be, they should start that in Massachusetts.

Don't get into these pissing matches. It doesn't matter what the actual outcome is, the GQP and their little Goebelles wannabes in the media will spin it in their favor. And they will get their lies out first, so it doesn't matter what facts you present.

And, most importantly, don't use human beings, irrespective of their citizenship status, as leverage like that.
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No you wouldn't.

We have read enough of your posts to know that your sudden "love" for Obama is basically an attempt at diversion from the fact that the people you actually like are having a pretty bad time and like your hero, the orange bloat, you don't like to be linked with "losers."

Far be it from me to dissuade anyone from portraying me as a villain. But if DeSantis runs, I will sooner vote for him than any Democrat that is on deck right now. I believe, if he doesn't screw himself, he will be able to attract most of Trump's base.

This latest stunt really just endears him to that demographic. Smart politics on his part. No Dems are going to switch over to vote for him, anyway.
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Obama 2.0. Whoever that is.

It's not cryptkeeper Biden or token Harris, that's for sure.
Secretary Mayor Pete then?
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Originally Posted by Regnad Kcin View Post
Secretary Mayor Pete then?

I don't know his views that well; but if he gets the nomination, he would at least have my attention. Unlike those other two. We are getting pretty far away from discussing DeSantis, though.
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Obama 2.0. Whoever that is.

It's not cryptkeeper Biden or token Harris, that's for sure.
Sure you would. Pull the other one, Warp.

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Far be it from me to dissuade anyone from portraying me as a villain.
No one else needs to do that.

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But if DeSantis runs, I will sooner vote for him than any Democrat that is on deck right now. I believe, if he doesn't screw himself, he will be able to attract most of Trump's base.

This latest stunt really just endears him to that demographic. Smart politics on his part. No Dems are going to switch over to vote for him, anyway.
Like I said, DeSantis is just a Trump mini-me/wannabe who appeals to the exact same people for the same reasons. People who claim they don't support Trump but would vote for DeSantis are deluding themselves, but no one else, that they don't support Trump.
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Like I said, DeSantis is just a Trump mini-me/wannabe who appeals to the exact same people for the same reasons. People who claim they don't support Trump but would vote for DeSantis are deluding themselves, but no one else, that they don't support Trump.

I don't know that he is a Trump "mini-me". He seems sharper and not as much of a loose cannon. I mean, he hasn't even hosted The Apprentice. And he doesn't have a past loaded with questionable business dealings. Plus he is a lot younger.
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