NYC DoE gives students BC - Page 4

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd December 2022, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Ziggurat

The fact that it's the state that issues licenses seems to have eluded you. So is the fact that it's the state which is deciding when parents get a say and when they don't, not medical professionals. And if you blindly trust the medical profession (especially when it's acting in concert with the state), you don't actually know it's history.

So every licensed health care provider is an operative of the state?

You do know we are licensed by state boards, not by the federal government, right?

As for decisions re informing parents, those are also governed by state law. For example there is a Wa State law that says I can legally treat teens 14 and older for STDs and prescribe birth control without parental consent.

So how about those red states, do they prohibit treatment for STDs without parental consent?

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/states/minors.html

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As of 2022, all jurisdictions have laws that explicitly allow a minor of a particular age (as defined by each state) to give informed consent to receive STD diagnosis and treatment services. In some jurisdictions, a minor might be legally allowed to give informed consent to receive specific STD or HIV services, including PrEP, even if the law is silent on those disease-related services. For example, HIV services might be interpreted as being included under STD services, and prevention might be interpreted as being included under a broad definition of treatment or services.

From the table a number of states allow treatment without parental consent as young as 12. For most states:

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If no age is listed for a provision, then there is no minimum age requirement for minors to access service.

No offense but it's a tad paranoid IMO, for a person to view "the state" as some kind of alt-left cabal.

I should add that if I think a minor got that STD from sexual abuse of any kind I am obligated to inform CPS. They would then inform the parents or confront parents if the abuser was the parent. If the diagnosis was made in the ED and the patient brought in by the parents then the health care provider is involved in the discussion. Usually there is an MD involved because it is such a critical issue.

Skeptic Ginger · 3rd December 2022, 02:04 PM

Re access to birth control by state:

https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ptive-services

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23 states and the District of Columbia explicitly allow all minors to consent to contraceptive services.
24 states explicitly permit minors to consent to contraceptive services in one or more circumstances.
2 states allow minors to consent to contraceptive services if a physician determines that the minor would face a health hazard if she is not provided with contraceptive services.
19 states allow a married minor to consent to contraceptive services.
5 states allow a minor who is a parent to consent.
5 states allow a minor who is or has ever been pregnant to consent to services.
10 states allow a minor to consent if the minor meets other requirements, including being a high school graduate, reaching a minimum age, demonstrating maturity or receiving a referral from a specified professional, such as a physician or member of the clergy.
4 states have no explicit policy on minors’ authority to consent to contraceptive services.

Scroll down for the table of requirements by state. TX and Utah ban the use of tax dollars to fund BC services. WY, NY and Massachusetts fund contraceptive services for minors via tax dollars.

Where is the cabal?

rdwight · 7th December 2022, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Which of these risks pose more of a short-term threat to life and health than pregnancy, statistically speaking, in your understanding?

Pregnancy poses a higher risk for both developing blood clots and death overall. That would be comparing it at 1:1 for a pregnancy year/post partum vs a year of birth control usage (different bc methods having different risk sets). That is a fair point to express to anyone. Just to parse things in my own head on this though.

23.4 deaths per 100k live births
3-10 dvt/pe case risk per 10k women per year

So somewhere in the .3-1% chance of clots over a 10 year period while on BC average. How those risks average out over how many unintended pregnancies are avoided through their use its probably not as clear but doesn't seem as lopsided as a 1 year to 1 year comparison.

mumblethrax · 7th December 2022, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by rdwight

Pregnancy poses a higher risk for both developing blood clots and death overall. That would be comparing it at 1:1 for a pregnancy year/post partum vs a year of birth control usage (different bc methods having different risk sets). That is a fair point to express to anyone. Just to parse things in my own head on this though.

23.4 deaths per 100k live births
3-10 dvt/pe case risk per 10k women per year

So somewhere in the .3-1% chance of clots over a 10 year period while on BC average. How those risks average out over how many unintended pregnancies are avoided through their use its probably not as clear but doesn't seem as lopsided as a 1 year to 1 year comparison.

It should also be said that deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism are significantly less common among adolescents. That risk will be skewed towards older people.

3rd December 2022, 01:52 PM	#121
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,978	Originally Posted by Ziggurat The fact that it's the state that issues licenses seems to have eluded you. So is the fact that it's the state which is deciding when parents get a say and when they don't, not medical professionals. And if you blindly trust the medical profession (especially when it's acting in concert with the state), you don't actually know it's history. So every licensed health care provider is an operative of the state? You do know we are licensed by state boards, not by the federal government, right? As for decisions re informing parents, those are also governed by state law. For example there is a Wa State law that says I can legally treat teens 14 and older for STDs and prescribe birth control without parental consent. So how about those red states, do they prohibit treatment for STDs without parental consent? https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/policies/law/states/minors.html Quote: As of 2022, all jurisdictions have laws that explicitly allow a minor of a particular age (as defined by each state) to give informed consent to receive STD diagnosis and treatment services. In some jurisdictions, a minor might be legally allowed to give informed consent to receive specific STD or HIV services, including PrEP, even if the law is silent on those disease-related services. For example, HIV services might be interpreted as being included under STD services, and prevention might be interpreted as being included under a broad definition of treatment or services. From the table a number of states allow treatment without parental consent as young as 12. For most states: Quote: If no age is listed for a provision, then there is no minimum age requirement for minors to access service. No offense but it's a tad paranoid IMO, for a person to view "the state" as some kind of alt-left cabal. I should add that if I think a minor got that STD from sexual abuse of any kind I am obligated to inform CPS. They would then inform the parents or confront parents if the abuser was the parent. If the diagnosis was made in the ED and the patient brought in by the parents then the health care provider is involved in the discussion. Usually there is an MD involved because it is such a critical issue.
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3rd December 2022, 02:04 PM	#122
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 92,978	Re access to birth control by state: https://www.guttmacher.org/state-pol...ptive-services Quote: 23 states and the District of Columbia explicitly allow all minors to consent to contraceptive services. 24 states explicitly permit minors to consent to contraceptive services in one or more circumstances. 2 states allow minors to consent to contraceptive services if a physician determines that the minor would face a health hazard if she is not provided with contraceptive services. 19 states allow a married minor to consent to contraceptive services. 5 states allow a minor who is a parent to consent. 5 states allow a minor who is or has ever been pregnant to consent to services. 10 states allow a minor to consent if the minor meets other requirements, including being a high school graduate, reaching a minimum age, demonstrating maturity or receiving a referral from a specified professional, such as a physician or member of the clergy. 4 states have no explicit policy on minors’ authority to consent to contraceptive services. Scroll down for the table of requirements by state. TX and Utah ban the use of tax dollars to fund BC services. WY, NY and Massachusetts fund contraceptive services for minors via tax dollars. Where is the cabal?
	Last edited by Skeptic Ginger; 3rd December 2022 at 02:09 PM.

7th December 2022, 08:58 AM	#123
rdwight Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 1,007	Originally Posted by d4m10n Which of these risks pose more of a short-term threat to life and health than pregnancy, statistically speaking, in your understanding? Pregnancy poses a higher risk for both developing blood clots and death overall. That would be comparing it at 1:1 for a pregnancy year/post partum vs a year of birth control usage (different bc methods having different risk sets). That is a fair point to express to anyone. Just to parse things in my own head on this though. 23.4 deaths per 100k live births 3-10 dvt/pe case risk per 10k women per year So somewhere in the .3-1% chance of clots over a 10 year period while on BC average. How those risks average out over how many unintended pregnancies are avoided through their use its probably not as clear but doesn't seem as lopsided as a 1 year to 1 year comparison.
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7th December 2022, 09:32 AM	#124
mumblethrax Species traitor Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,378	Originally Posted by rdwight Pregnancy poses a higher risk for both developing blood clots and death overall. That would be comparing it at 1:1 for a pregnancy year/post partum vs a year of birth control usage (different bc methods having different risk sets). That is a fair point to express to anyone. Just to parse things in my own head on this though. 23.4 deaths per 100k live births 3-10 dvt/pe case risk per 10k women per year So somewhere in the .3-1% chance of clots over a 10 year period while on BC average. How those risks average out over how many unintended pregnancies are avoided through their use its probably not as clear but doesn't seem as lopsided as a 1 year to 1 year comparison. It should also be said that deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism are significantly less common among adolescents. That risk will be skewed towards older people.