Missouri Book Ban Law Proposal - Page 2

Ryan O'Dine · 15th November 2022, 10:18 AM

I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered.

dudalb · 15th November 2022, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered.

You Phony!

dudalb · 15th November 2022, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

I forgot the hung like a donkey (and yes the bible is where that phrase comes from).

I do not read Hebrew but I keep on reading that the Hebrew the bible is written in is VERY earthy in places..mcuh more so then any English translatation.

dudalb · 15th November 2022, 03:53 PM

Mark Twain, probably Missouri's greatest son, on censorship:

Quote:

When a library expels a book of mine and leaves an unexpurgated Bible lying around where unprotected youth and age can get hold of it, the deep unconscious irony of it delights me and doesn't anger me.

Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it.

Mark Twain

Ryan O'Dine · 15th November 2022, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

You Phony!

Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it!

Trust me, that's not going to end well.

dudalb · 15th November 2022, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it!

Trust me, that's not going to end well.

Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding.
A number of translations though, clean it up considerably.
Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not.

lobosrul5 · 15th November 2022, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding.
A number of translations though, clean it up considerably.
Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not.

Yeah I remember our English teacher in 11th grade actually explaining some of the naughty bits. We had the original Middle English (but with modern letters IIRC) and a translation to go by.

And of course thats what turned us all into the perverted delinquents we are today

Trebuchet · 15th November 2022, 04:40 PM

I immediately noticed the name of MO's SoS: Jay Ashcroft. There's a familiar surname. So I checked and yes, he's the son former US AG John Ashcroft, who was appointed to the job by Bush the Lesser as compensation for having been defeated for election to the Senate by a dead guy. And put a curtain in front of a statue of Justice because of a bare boob.

ETA: The statue in question. The nut hasn't fallen far from the tree.

Gord_in_Toronto · 15th November 2022, 06:37 PM

And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world").

Stacyhs · 15th November 2022, 06:55 PM

Personally, my fall into depravity was initiated by reading Stoker's Dracula in 7th grade from the school library. My lust for drinking blood has never abated. I prefer a medium bodied O- with hints of weed and just a slight slutty finish.

Carlotta · 15th November 2022, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto

And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world").

Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept?

Stacyhs · 16th November 2022, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Carlotta

Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept?

He helped establish the first lending library well before the Revolution, but it wasn't free as books had to be purchased. You had to be a member.

catsmate · 16th November 2022, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Busy complaining about "cancel culture"!

Since I asked in that thread it went very quiet....

bluesjnr · 16th November 2022, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by johnny karate

All available evidence points to that. I'm happy to be proven incorrect.

Don't hold your breath.

Quote:

No, this accusation was directed at conservatives in general, not at anyone in particular. I'm sure there are a few exceptions.

How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry.

Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile?

Craig4 · 16th November 2022, 02:47 AM

Originally Posted by Apathia

Better make sure that damned Bible isn't in any school library, then.

No kidding. The Song of Solomon is HOT!

Gulliver Foyle · 16th November 2022, 03:44 AM

Originally Posted by lobosrul5

Yeah I remember our English teacher in 11th grade actually explaining some of the naughty bits. We had the original Middle English (but with modern letters IIRC) and a translation to go by.

And of course thats what turned us all into the perverted delinquents we are today

You jammy dodger, all we had was Anne and Barry.

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Lurch · 16th November 2022, 04:42 AM

Originally Posted by bluesjnr

Don't hold your breath.

How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry.

Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile?

I didn't draw that conclusion at all. Why are you so hot to propound your own interpretation? And butt in like you're Prestige's minder?

thaiboxerken · 16th November 2022, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle

It's not about porn, it's about books that say it's ok to be gay, that women are equal to men, that America is a country built on appalling treatment of natives and minorities, among many other topics that republicans want to ban.

Yes, but all of those things are equal to porn to conservatives.

thaiboxerken · 16th November 2022, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Upchurch

I don't know what "porn" theprestige is referring to, but I have a former coworker who's favorite punching bag is Gender Queer: A Memoir, almost entirely for a couple of panels on one page that shows the protagonist wearing a strap-on and getting a blowjob from their girlfriend. Sounds super provocative and porn-y, right?

Except it really isn't. First, they are both clothed. The only "nudity" is the strap-on. And actually on that same page, but more so on the next, the protagonist is very uncomfortable with what is going on, decides they aren't ready for this kind of thing and discusses it with their girlfriend about doing something else. In other words, it depicts someone in their early 20s having a near-sexual encounter and dealing with their emotions about it in a positive, if difficult, manner. It's not about the almost-sex, it's about dealing with the feelings the protagonist is having.

Honestly, I think this book is entirely appropriate for high school kids, possibly older middle school kids, who might be dealing with complex feelings and have no other reference except internet porn.

To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse.

Hercules56 · 16th November 2022, 09:55 AM

So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy?

Warp12 · 16th November 2022, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy?

Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?

Finster · 16th November 2022, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?

Their protests? No

Their ability to control what other’s have access to? – Yes, absolutely.

(And not a single person involved in pushing this law, or anybody in this thread, actually believes this has anything to do with protecting kids from porn.)

arayder · 16th November 2022, 11:10 AM

This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.

Darat · 16th November 2022, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse.

Spouse defined as person they are married to and any other hussy who forces themselves repeatedly on to the poor innocent married man.

Darat · 16th November 2022, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.

Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed?

arayder · 16th November 2022, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by arayder

This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.

Originally Posted by Darat

Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed?

My suspicion is that this is a case of some conservative activists looking for an issue to push in the so called "culture wars".

There are similar occurrences in communities in which right wing nuts show up at school board meetings falsely claiming that very well vetted language arts programs are really just thinly veiled covers for teach critical race theory.

thaiboxerken · 16th November 2022, 11:27 AM

They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from....

RolandRat · 16th November 2022, 11:32 AM

Out of curiosity, what's wrong with porn in libraries?

arayder · 16th November 2022, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from....

Yeah, if you catch your son holding the book up with one hand, it's porn.

Upchurch · 16th November 2022, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by arayder

This much ado about nothing.

Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.

Only this has state mandated fines added to the mix.

Ryan O'Dine · 16th November 2022, 12:24 PM

Yeah, when you consider Sendak's In the Night Kitchen to be obscene, you've got some serious issues you must be dealing with. Or should be.

bruto · 16th November 2022, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?

No, but silencing is not the same as the power to censor that is suspected here.

Hercules56 · 16th November 2022, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?

Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy?

Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist?

Warp12 · 16th November 2022, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Hercules56

Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy?

Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist?

Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".

thaiboxerken · 16th November 2022, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".

They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion.

Warp12 · 16th November 2022, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion.

Right. So as long as the process that allows for that is in place, it should be OK, right? And anything that makes that process better, should be embraced, right?

And then, who gets to decide what causes harm? A majority of the affected families? Great!

dudalb · 16th November 2022, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine

Yeah, when you consider Sendak's In the Night Kitchen to be obscene, you've got some serious issues you must be dealing with. Or should be.

It reminds me of Frederick Wortham's crusade in the 1950's against comic books ,where he insisted there was a gay relationship between Batman And Robin.

dudalb · 16th November 2022, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".

So if the populace decides a certain group should be deprived of their rights because of the color of their skin; that is OK?

Vox Populi,Vox Humbug as General Sherman said.

Warp12 · 16th November 2022, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

So if the populace decides a certain group should be deprived of their rights because of the color of their skin; that is OK?

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. You would have to look at the real reasons, outside of color. Different topic.

thaiboxerken · 16th November 2022, 04:13 PM

It isn't okay to deprive people of rights because of the color of their skin. If you think differently, you are racist, by definition.

15th November 2022, 10:18 AM	#41
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,214	I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered.
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15th November 2022, 03:42 PM	#42
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,597	Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine I'm absolutely for the ban. It's been 100% proven that Catcher in the Rye single handedly turned an entire generation of young people into flagrant sexual deviants from which society has never recovered. You Phony!
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15th November 2022, 03:46 PM	#43
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,597	Originally Posted by Darat I forgot the hung like a donkey (and yes the bible is where that phrase comes from). I do not read Hebrew but I keep on reading that the Hebrew the bible is written in is VERY earthy in places..mcuh more so then any English translatation.
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15th November 2022, 03:53 PM	#44
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,597	Mark Twain, probably Missouri's greatest son, on censorship: Quote: When a library expels a book of mine and leaves an unexpurgated Bible lying around where unprotected youth and age can get hold of it, the deep unconscious irony of it delights me and doesn't anger me. Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it. Mark Twain
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15th November 2022, 04:03 PM	#45
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,214	Originally Posted by dudalb You Phony! Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it! Trust me, that's not going to end well.
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15th November 2022, 04:20 PM	#46
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 58,597	Originally Posted by Ryan O'Dine Don't get me started. The Canterbury Tales should've stayed banned -- now anybody can read it! Trust me, that's not going to end well. Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding. A number of translations though, clean it up considerably. Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not.
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15th November 2022, 04:33 PM	#47
lobosrul5 Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 4,704	Originally Posted by dudalb Good point. A number of the Canterbury talea are very bawdy dirty jokes. I am not kidding. A number of translations though, clean it up considerably. Leanr to read chaucher in the original. Not that hard to do, really. Reading aloud really helps, beleive it or not. Yeah I remember our English teacher in 11th grade actually explaining some of the naughty bits. We had the original Middle English (but with modern letters IIRC) and a translation to go by. And of course thats what turned us all into the perverted delinquents we are today
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15th November 2022, 04:40 PM	#48
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 36,504	I immediately noticed the name of MO's SoS: Jay Ashcroft. There's a familiar surname. So I checked and yes, he's the son former US AG John Ashcroft, who was appointed to the job by Bush the Lesser as compensation for having been defeated for election to the Senate by a dead guy. And put a curtain in front of a statue of Justice because of a bare boob. ETA: The statue in question. The nut hasn't fallen far from the tree.
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15th November 2022, 06:37 PM	#49
Gord_in_Toronto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 23,689	And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world").
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15th November 2022, 06:55 PM	#50
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,273	Personally, my fall into depravity was initiated by reading Stoker's Dracula in 7th grade from the school library. My lust for drinking blood has never abated. I prefer a medium bodied O- with hints of weed and just a slight slutty finish.

15th November 2022, 11:25 PM	#51
Carlotta Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,020	Originally Posted by Gord_in_Toronto And, of course, it is a well known fact that the public library system in the US (and Canada) was created by the recognized socialist Andrew Carnegie (aka "the richest man in the world"). Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept?

16th November 2022, 12:24 AM	#52
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 30,273	Originally Posted by Carlotta Carnegie certainly financed much of it, later. But didn't Ben Franklin have something to do with the concept? He helped establish the first lending library well before the Revolution, but it wasn't free as books had to be purchased. You had to be a member.

16th November 2022, 02:19 AM	#53
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 28,590	Originally Posted by Darat Busy complaining about "cancel culture"! Since I asked in that thread it went very quiet....
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16th November 2022, 02:39 AM	#54
bluesjnr Professional Nemesis for Hire Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Home. Posts: 11,188	Originally Posted by johnny karate All available evidence points to that. I'm happy to be proven incorrect. Don't hold your breath. Quote: No, this accusation was directed at conservatives in general, not at anyone in particular. I'm sure there are a few exceptions. How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry. Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile?
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16th November 2022, 02:47 AM	#55
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 26,908	Originally Posted by Apathia Better make sure that damned Bible isn't in any school library, then. No kidding. The Song of Solomon is HOT!
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16th November 2022, 04:42 AM	#57
Lurch Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 2,410	Originally Posted by bluesjnr Don't hold your breath. How are you separating the exceptions? You've made a completely unsupported and vile accusation against a group of people who are not politically aligned with you on that basis alone. Own your words or retract. Stop hiding behind this sophistry. Is theprestige, as a conservative, a paedophile? I didn't draw that conclusion at all. Why are you so hot to propound your own interpretation? And butt in like you're Prestige's minder?

16th November 2022, 08:59 AM	#58
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,515	Originally Posted by Gulliver Foyle It's not about porn, it's about books that say it's ok to be gay, that women are equal to men, that America is a country built on appalling treatment of natives and minorities, among many other topics that republicans want to ban. Yes, but all of those things are equal to porn to conservatives.
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16th November 2022, 09:16 AM	#59
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,515	Originally Posted by Upchurch I don't know what "porn" theprestige is referring to, but I have a former coworker who's favorite punching bag is Gender Queer: A Memoir, almost entirely for a couple of panels on one page that shows the protagonist wearing a strap-on and getting a blowjob from their girlfriend. Sounds super provocative and porn-y, right? Except it really isn't. First, they are both clothed. The only "nudity" is the strap-on. And actually on that same page, but more so on the next, the protagonist is very uncomfortable with what is going on, decides they aren't ready for this kind of thing and discusses it with their girlfriend about doing something else. In other words, it depicts someone in their early 20s having a near-sexual encounter and dealing with their emotions about it in a positive, if difficult, manner. It's not about the almost-sex, it's about dealing with the feelings the protagonist is having. Honestly, I think this book is entirely appropriate for high school kids, possibly older middle school kids, who might be dealing with complex feelings and have no other reference except internet porn. To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse.
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16th November 2022, 09:55 AM	#60
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy?
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16th November 2022, 10:05 AM	#61
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Hercules56 So people can protest to remove books that have a teenage boy liking another boy? Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"?

16th November 2022, 10:50 AM	#62
Finster Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,197	Originally Posted by Warp12 Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"? Their protests? No Their ability to control what other’s have access to? – Yes, absolutely. (And not a single person involved in pushing this law, or anybody in this thread, actually believes this has anything to do with protecting kids from porn.)
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16th November 2022, 11:10 AM	#63
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,377	This much ado about nothing. Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable.
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16th November 2022, 11:12 AM	#64
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,560	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken To borrow from Carlin, they want to teach kids that sex is so wrong and evil that you should only do it to your spouse. Spouse defined as person they are married to and any other hussy who forces themselves repeatedly on to the poor innocent married man.
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16th November 2022, 11:14 AM	#65
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 109,560	Originally Posted by arayder This much ado about nothing. Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable. Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed?
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16th November 2022, 11:24 AM	#66
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,377	Originally Posted by arayder This much ado about nothing. Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable. Originally Posted by Darat Then why is this new piece of legislation being proposed? My suspicion is that this is a case of some conservative activists looking for an issue to push in the so called "culture wars". There are similar occurrences in communities in which right wing nuts show up at school board meetings falsely claiming that very well vetted language arts programs are really just thinly veiled covers for teach critical race theory.
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16th November 2022, 11:27 AM	#67
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,515	They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from....
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16th November 2022, 11:32 AM	#68
RolandRat Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Essex UK Posts: 1,653	Out of curiosity, what's wrong with porn in libraries?

16th November 2022, 11:34 AM	#69
arayder Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,377	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken They banned the graphic novel "Maus" because of a naked mouse and inappropriate language. That's the porn they want to protect kids from.... Yeah, if you catch your son holding the book up with one hand, it's porn.
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16th November 2022, 12:19 PM	#70
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33,755	Originally Posted by arayder This much ado about nothing. Most public libraries already have written collection policies and "challenge processes" to allow the public to challenge books they believe are objectionable. Only this has state mandated fines added to the mix.
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16th November 2022, 12:24 PM	#71
Ryan O'Dine OD’ing on Damitol Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Walk in an ever expanding Archimedean spiral and you'll find me eventually Posts: 2,214	Yeah, when you consider Sendak's In the Night Kitchen to be obscene, you've got some serious issues you must be dealing with. Or should be.
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16th November 2022, 01:54 PM	#72
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 34,758	Originally Posted by Warp12 Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"? No, but silencing is not the same as the power to censor that is suspected here.
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16th November 2022, 03:05 PM	#73
Hercules56 Illuminator Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 4,588	Originally Posted by Warp12 Hopefully they can. Or should their protests be silenced in the name of "free speech"? Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy? Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist?
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16th November 2022, 03:07 PM	#74
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by Hercules56 Why should we ban books for teenagers that include one boy liking another boy? Should we make believe homosexuality simply does not exist? Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy".

16th November 2022, 03:16 PM	#75
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 32,515	Originally Posted by Warp12 Should we deny the populace their voice? Content is a deeper matter than "boy meets boy". They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion.
	__________________ 1. He'd never do that. 2. Okay but he's not currently doing it. 3. Okay but he's not currently technically doing it. 4. Okay but everyone does it. 5. He's doing it, we can't stop him, no point in complaining about it. 6. We all knew he was going to do it which... makes it okay somehow. 7. It's perfectly fine that's he's doing it.

16th November 2022, 03:24 PM	#76
Warp12 Banned Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: USA Posts: 7,583	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken They can protest all they want. However, they can't, or shouldn't ban books just because they think the content is icky. Maybe if they can show that the books they want to ban have/can cause harm, I'd change my opinion. Right. So as long as the process that allows for that is in place, it should be OK, right? And anything that makes that process better, should be embraced, right? And then, who gets to decide what causes harm? A majority of the affected families? Great!