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Old 11th September 2019, 11:26 PM   #161
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Old 11th September 2019, 11:44 PM   #162
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The American Dream is out there and available to all who are willing to work for it. Unfortunately, most of the people willing to attain it are in China. With this economy if you're not living the "Dream", you have nobody but yourself to blame.

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yep.
It's your fault for voting for the kind of people who pull up the ladder behind them and tell you to just jump twice as high.
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Old 12th September 2019, 05:43 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The American Dream is out there and available to all who are willing to work for it. Unfortunately, most of the people willing to attain it are in China. With this economy if you're not living the "Dream", you have nobody but yourself to blame.

Chris B.
Say that to the people who get too sick with cancer to keep working and therefore lose their medical insurance. And no, the purported "safety net" isn't there for everybody. Medicaid in most states will not cover adults unless they have dependents.
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Old 12th September 2019, 09:08 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
Say that to the people who get too sick with cancer to keep working and therefore lose their medical insurance. And no, the purported "safety net" isn't there for everybody. Medicaid in most states will not cover adults unless they have dependents.
In other states, Medicaid only covers children and people on disability.
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Old 12th September 2019, 12:36 PM   #165
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Old 12th September 2019, 12:50 PM   #166
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We also need to remember that "the establishment" is not some singular thing and people's opinions of it tend to be very... well what's best for them at the moment.

That and a lot of people seem to have this idea of somehow establishing an "establishment" that is going to treat their enemies different then it treats them and history has shown us that that is rarely if ever the cash.
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Old 12th September 2019, 01:55 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
That and a lot of people seem to have this idea of somehow establishing an "establishment" that is going to treat their enemies different then it treats them and history has shown us that that is rarely if ever the cash.
I'm pretty sure the 1% have been correct since forever in thinking that the GOP establishment is going to try to do right by them. That has generally worked out to be the case. It's always been the cash.
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Old 13th September 2019, 03:53 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
The American Dream is out there and available to all who are willing to work for it. Unfortunately, most of the people willing to attain it are in China. With this economy if you're not living the "Dream", you have nobody but yourself to blame.

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Still living the 1800's I see?
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Old 14th September 2019, 02:44 PM   #169
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This seems relevant to this thread...

The Trump voters who 'just want to watch the world burn' (and all of us along with it)

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A unique study that flew under the radar last year was honored just last week with an award by the American Political Science Association. Conducted by three political scientists in Denmark and the U.S., it goes a long way towards explaining where we now find ourselves as a nation, and what Americans have become.

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According to a recent study, wanting to watch the world burn is a frighteningly common feeling—and it might explain a lot about the political instability America and the world are grappling with.
Titled, “A 'Need for Chaos' and the Sharing of Hostile Political Rumors in Advanced Democracies," the study originally set out to simply examine why people spread hostile, often knowingly untrue, political information over the Internet. The study’s researchers suspected one reason was that in a politically polarized environment it was simply much more attractive and likely for political partisans to share damaging information about their perceived opponents, whether it was true or not. And that would seem to make sense, right? Everyone likes to spread bad news about their political opponents.

But what the study found was more complex, and far more disturbing.

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But the paper's authors favor a much more disturbing conclusion: The impulse to share hateful rumors "are associated with 'chaotic' motivations to 'burn down' the entire established democratic 'cosmos'... This extreme discontent is associated with motivations to share hostile political rumors, not because such rumors are viewed to be true but because they are believed to mobilize the audience against disliked elites."
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In other words, these people gravitate to and spread propaganda they may know is false, simply because they have an amorphous, probably undefinable, intent to destroy—to “bring everything down.” So dissatisfied they are with their own existences that they latch on to these computer generated “memes,” these social media hyped lies, for the most part, because they want to do damage and harm to others they perceive as more powerful, more privileged, more favored—and thus more important—than themselves.
Some of the real effects of excessive disparity, in action, amplified and justified so much more easily with the wildly increased connectivity that modern day technology provides.

Also of particular note...

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The responses to three of the statements in particular were “staggering,” the paper says: 24 percent agreed that society should be burned to the ground; 40 percent concurred with the thought that “When it comes to our political and social institutions, I cannot help thinking ‘just let them all burn’ ”; and 40 percent also agreed that “we cannot fix the problems in our social institutions, we need to tear them down and start over”
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Old 16th September 2019, 10:07 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
This seems relevant to this thread...

The Trump voters who 'just want to watch the world burn' (and all of us along with it)



Some of the real effects of excessive disparity, in action, amplified and justified so much more easily with the wildly increased connectivity that modern day technology provides.

Also of particular note...
Right from the start, in my gut I felt that the ascension of Trump was motivated in part by nihilism, which word I used on several occasions in this Forum. This nihilism in the US is certainly exacerbated by the evangelical desire for the Second Coming.
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Old 17th September 2019, 04:51 AM   #171
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Right from the start, in my gut I felt that the ascension of Trump was motivated in part by nihilism, which word I used on several occasions in this Forum. This nihilism in the US is certainly exacerbated by the evangelical desire for the Second Coming.

I think there's a fairly large intersection between nihilism and A-E sentiments.
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Old 17th September 2019, 05:45 PM   #172
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Originally Posted by Cabbage View Post
I think there's a fairly large intersection between nihilism and A-E sentiments.
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https://qz.com/737452/why-trump-vote...a-photo-essay/
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Frustrated with broken promises, they gave up on the knowable and went with the unknowable. They chose Trump, because he comes with a very high distribution. A high volatility. (He also signals in ugly ways, that he might just move them, and only them and their friends, higher with his stated policies).

As any trader will tell you, if you are stuck lower, you want volatility, uncertainty. No matter how it comes. Put another way. Your downside is flat, your upside isn’t. Break the system.

The elites loathe volatility. Because, the upside is limited, but the downside isn’t. In option language, they are in the money.


To put it in very non-geeky language: A two-tiered system has one set of people who want to keep the system, and another that doesn’t.
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Where do most of the press and elites get it wrong? They don’t believe that we live in a two-tiered system. They don’t believe, or know they are in, the top tier. They also don’t understand what people view as value.

When the Democrats under Clinton in the early ‘90s shifted towards a pro market agenda, they made a dramatic shift towards accepting the Republicans definition of value as being about the economic.

Now elites in both major parties see their broad political goal as increasing the GDP, regardless of how it is done.

This has failed most Americans, other than the elite, in two ways. It has failed to provide an economic boost (incomes are broadly flat), and it has forgotten that many people see value as being not just economic, but social. It has been a one-two punch that has completely left behind many people.
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The only thing they can do, faced with that, is break the ******* system. And they are going to try. Either by Trump or by some other way.
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Old 17th September 2019, 06:48 PM   #173
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