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Old 22nd April 2011, 11:58 AM   #1
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French riot police threaten to strike over alcohol ban

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...cohol-ban.html

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They were wearing body armour and carrying weapons as they sipped from beer and wine bottles. Some were also smoking.
Didier Mangione, national secretary of the police union, said bosses were "trying to turn us into priests, but without the altar wine".
"Nobody should object to a small drink on jobs," he said.
The above sounds totally alien to me in the UK and I guess it would raise eyebrows in the US too. Are there any posters from other countries where policeman drinking on duty would be acceptable as Government policy?
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Old 22nd April 2011, 12:17 PM   #2
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Originally Posted by Matty1973 View Post
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...cohol-ban.html



The above sounds totally alien to me in the UK and I guess it would raise eyebrows in the US too. Are there any posters from other countries where policeman drinking on duty would be acceptable as Government policy?
Royal Navy Police?

It's only fairly recently that the tradition of a beer at lunch time has dissapeared from most jobs.
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Old 22nd April 2011, 02:15 PM   #3
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The above sounds totally alien to me in the UK and I guess it would raise eyebrows in the US too.
In the US, it's definitely unacceptable for police officers to drink alcohol while on the job.
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Old 22nd April 2011, 05:14 PM   #4
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Wow. The French will strike over anything. And yeah, police drinking on the job is completely unacceptable. It is actually pretty shocking that cops in France think they should be able to.
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Drinking alcohol on any job is not acceptable.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 12:52 AM   #6
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Anyone know what the legal situation is in the UK? I can't think of any job I've had were such drinking would be a breach of contract (unless it impacted on aspects of the job), indeed in two companies I've instituted a company paid for Friday afternoon beer company wide.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 01:18 AM   #7
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OK firstly this is not the police. This is the riot police. So if I recall correctely the law your average policeman is not allowed to drink during service (although the average worker is allowed to drink during its midday meal by law). But the riot police during their deplacement were proposed with their cold meal a a red wine or a bier.

The french article I saw said nothing about strike, only that the syndicat would check for action (there are other action than strike you know).

By the way the 1/4 red wine or the bier is the maximum which by law any worker is allowed during their meal.

That said, I don't think it is a good idea to allow alcohol in any quantity to somebody which has a weapon, is about to use it (they were getting that alcohol at a mission place so where there is a riot).
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Old 23rd April 2011, 04:59 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Anyone know what the legal situation is in the UK? I can't think of any job I've had were such drinking would be a breach of contract (unless it impacted on aspects of the job), indeed in two companies I've instituted a company paid for Friday afternoon beer company wide.
The tradition of a Friday afternoon "borrel" ("drinkies") has been kept up in most of the companies I've worked for here in the Netherlands. Usually the stuff is sponsored by the company. Only one, an American company (which I left quickly), banned all booze in the office.
The last software company I worked for here even had a little bar with a free "beer" pump ("beer" in scare quotes, because it was actually Heineken). I kept a bottle of home-made Austrian Peach schnapps and a bottle of Bowmore 30 on my desk, which I sampled and shared regularly.

Visiting a client in the UK once I joined him in sinking four pints of Guinness at lunchtime (my Dutch colleague wimped out).

OT. I've seen Dutch cops smoking stogies in public. My old man (an ex British cop) was not amused.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:11 AM   #9
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Drinking alcohol on any job is not acceptable.

Any job? Bartender? Stripper? Fortune teller? Phone sex operator? There are some jobs for which drinking does make sense.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:22 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by hgc View Post
Any job? Bartender? Stripper? Fortune teller? Phone sex operator? There are some jobs for which drinking does make sense.
Are you sure every one you mentioned qualifies?

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We always have beer and wine in the fridge at work, for those times when someone declares Impromptu Drinks.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 09:24 AM   #12
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
Are you sure every one you mentioned qualifies?

"Ooh, honey,*GULP* now I'm *GULP* softly caressing my *BURRRRP*"
That's why you drink hard liquor when you're working the phone sex lines. You can sip it, and there's no carbonation.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 09:57 AM   #13
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People in my lab still go to the pub at lunch time.

I have had a drink at lunch, I was far too sleepy in the afternoon to make it a regular habit.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 11:20 AM   #14
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People in my lab still go to the pub at lunch time.

I have had a drink at lunch, I was far too sleepy in the afternoon to make it a regular habit.
When I was working in an office, a friend and I went down to a bar for lunch every other day. If I indulged in second or third pints, I'd conk out for about a half-hour when we got back to work. Neither my boss nor the owner of the company had a problem with it though, since my friend and I tended to be 3-5x more productive than any other employee. The owner did nudge me once, but that was because she didn't like hearing me snore.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 11:21 AM   #15
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I can understand the private sector allowing it at their discretion. It surprises me that any Government department would allow it - especially the police - double especially armed police! No one so far has suggested another country which would allow this so may be it is just the French.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 11:48 AM   #16
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The way i see it either...

A) Your drinking to get the small buzz you get from drinking. In which case i do not want any professional ( police, doctor, lawyer, Pharmacist, etc.) doing it. Regardless of how little your judgment is effected, it is effected.

B) Your not getting any buzz whatsoever, due to either tolerance or physical make up. And it is pointless to get this angry about it. Have a soda, it is cheaper, tastes better and won't get you in trouble. Heck, if you just are morally opposed to soda, have an energy drink. Like a beer, but it makes you more, not less able to do your job ( though, not as able as the companies would have you believe.)

Either way i find this a silly thing for the officers to strike over. If i can practically change my entire free time routine to be a pharmacist, these whiners ( sorry but i really feel this is simply whining.) can avoid the beer at lunch.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 11:49 AM   #17
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The way i see it either...

A) Your drinking to get the small buzz you get from drinking. In which case i do not want any professional ( police, doctor, lawyer, Pharmacist, etc.) doing it. Regardless of how little your judgment is effected, it is effected.

B) Your not getting any buzz whatsoever, due to either tolerance or physical make up. And it is pointless to get this angry about it. Have a soda, it is cheaper, tastes better and won't get you in trouble. Heck, if you just are morally opposed to soda, have an energy drink. Like a beer, but it makes you more, not less able to do your job ( though, not as able as the companies would have you believe.)

Either way i find this a silly thing for the officers to strike over. If i can practically change my entire free time routine to be a pharmacist, these whiners ( sorry but i really feel this is simply whining.) can avoid the beer at lunch.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 11:57 AM   #18
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When I was working in an office, a friend and I went down to a bar for lunch every other day. If I indulged in second or third pints, I'd conk out for about a half-hour when we got back to work. Neither my boss nor the owner of the company had a problem with it though, since my friend and I tended to be 3-5x more productive than any other employee. The owner did nudge me once, but that was because she didn't like hearing me snore.
Sleeping with the boss huh?
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People in my lab still go to the pub at lunch time.

I have had a drink at lunch, I was far too sleepy in the afternoon to make it a regular habit.
In Australia your lunch time is not paid, so theoretically you can do what you want. When I worked for Victoria Police I had many a boozy lunch with (out of uniform) coppers, including the Chief Commissioner. Nowadays, however, most companies Occupational Health and Safety policies prohibit drinking at lunch as it can effect performance and therefore safety (this is not my argument). These policies are often ignored, particularly on Friday.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 12:14 PM   #20
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Drinking alcohol on any job is not acceptable.
I know some strippers who would disagree with that...
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Aside from driving* which may be required during your employment, anything which impedes the safe use of machinery would not be a good idea, and I imagine could leave an employer open to litigation should an accident occur where alcohol consumption is a factor.

* - Brewery delivery drivers and helpers I'm told would often have a pint in the premises after dropping off the order, though by the time I started in the licensed trade, I think the practice had pretty much died out. Obviously it's thirsty work, and if you were only in charge of a couple of dray horses, then the potential for disaster might not be too high. But a twenty-ton truck? Yikes!
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Sleeping with the boss huh?
I drew the short straw that day...hence the drinking.
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Old 23rd April 2011, 05:49 PM   #23
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Anyone know what the legal situation is in the UK?
The health and safety people will have a fit if the job involves machinery or interesting chemicals.
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In the U.S. it is not illegal to drink on the job unless you are a goverment employee. But FSM help you if you get in an accident that hurts others while your on the job and you have any detectable drug level.
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The health and safety people will have a fit if the job involves machinery or interesting chemicals.
Talking of which, and sorry for the derail, but this is a fascinating blog:

http://pipeline.corante.com/archives...ont_work_with/
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