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View Poll Results: Will trump be re-elected?
Yes 28 14.51%
No 80 41.45%
Don't know, but I hope not 82 42.49%
Don't know, but I hope he does 3 1.55%
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Old 16th February 2017, 06:58 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by MrFliop View Post
Well, we are less than a month into Donald Trump's presidency and so far he has a record low approval rating and has created so much controversy. Things don't look too good for him now.
Pretty much the same state of affairs as before he was elected.
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Old 16th February 2017, 10:18 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by MrFliop View Post
Well, we are less than a month into Donald Trump's presidency and so far he has a record low approval rating and has created so much controversy. Things don't look too good for him now.
Trump approval at 55%
And he hasn't been in office a month.

Yuge.
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Old 16th February 2017, 10:23 AM   #83
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Originally Posted by MrFliop View Post
Well, we are less than a month into Donald Trump's presidency and so far he has a record low approval rating and has created so much controversy. Things don't look too good for him now.
Yes, he has a high approval.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ez_track_feb16

DAO just a bit faster.

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Originally Posted by logger View Post

DAO just a bit faster.
My approval rating is only 54%. When Trump's rating is higher than Dumb All Over's, that's yuge.
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Rasmussen has a heavy conservative bias. Almost every other poll is not favorable to Trump.
But be happy with your Dictator wannabe.
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Ending 200 years of democracy in America with a semi facist authotarian regime is a high price to pay for a few tax cuts.
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Ending 200 years of democracy in America with a semi facist authotarian regime is a high price to pay for a few tax cuts.
Let's not get carried away. I think the system will survive Trump. I hope so, anyway.
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Ending 200 years of democracy in America with a semi facist authotarian regime is a high price to pay for a few tax cuts.
Don't be silly.

The tax cuts aren't the only incentive. The people getting those cuts are the ultra-rich who will also get to disenfranchise and effectively enslave the masses, all while defending themselves with a military so well armed that civilian resistance will be impossible.

We're marching back to feudalism and will stay there until there's armament equity between the soldiers defending the elite and the citizens fighting for freedom. That probably won't happen until a few generations in when the elite's armies shrink, either through complacency or economic downturn.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Don't be silly.

The tax cuts aren't the only incentive. The people getting those cuts are the ultra-rich who will also get to disenfranchise and effectively enslave the masses, all while defending themselves with a military so well armed that civilian resistance will be impossible.

We're marching back to feudalism and will stay there until there's armament equity between the soldiers defending the elite and the citizens fighting for freedom. That probably won't happen until a few generations in when the elite's armies shrink, either through complacency or economic downturn.
A little over the top, methinks.
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Let's not get carried away. I think the system will survive Trump. I hope so, anyway.
It probably will. It may require a serious fight, though...
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Let's not get carried away. I think the system will survive Trump. I hope so, anyway.
But it might come away seriously compromised. This motley crew is on another level.
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Old 17th February 2017, 02:25 PM   #92
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Yes.

If he acts randomly, and each random act cancels out every other random
act then in total producing no motion in any direction. The government
will act as if the previous administration had went on an extended vacation.

The economy will continue growing, taking us out of recession territory.
With employment and wages restored, he will get reelected.
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Yes, and it didn't dent her favourability rating because everyone knows that partisans are going to partisan. Despite the barrage for decades Gallop had her net favourability in the first half of 2015 as +23 - similar to her numbers going back several years - and going all the way back to when Bill first ran it had never been negative. Almost overnight it fell to -19. She was immune to the continuous Republican smear campaign, but not this - This was very different. Her favourability ratings dropped like a stone when Sanders and Stein picked up the Putin/authoritarian led lies and conspiracy theories about her and spread those into the democratic voting population. The exact same thing will happen to whoever the next Democratic party nominee is.
I don't think the numbers bear that out. Gallup has a convenient page with historic listings for a host of notable people, and you can see that Hillary's favourability rating was already not much when she announced on 12 April 2015 her candidacy, with Bernie announcing his candidacy shortly after, on 25 May 2015. During that time there wasn't much campaigning, and what there was was about Wall Street, health care and such, not about Russian-fed lies, and Gallup already saw Bernie surging ahead (link), In the fall of 2015 Hillary's ratings further dropped and Gallup attributes it to the ongoing "email scandal" (link). At that time, the campaign - primaries had not yet begun - was still courteous and only focused on differences in economic outview, IIRC.

BTW, it's interesting to see Ted Cruz' favourability ratings there: as more people got to know him, they all got to dislike him.
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California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Delaware, Rhode Island, Vermont, Maryland, Illinois, Idaho and Minnesota currently have Democrat majorities in state Senates. That's 15 states, two more than is absolutely necessary to prevent such an amendment. Barring an unprecedented red wave in 2018, Trump will not be able to secure state support
(OT) Really guys, won't you change those confusing colors for parties? Given its current make-up, I suggest brown instead for the GOP.

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Alt-Right is too incompetent to assassinate a man [Bannon, ddt] protected by the SS.
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Where is planet X?

The I don't know and will wait to see what he actually does with the economy and policies rather than what we think he is likely to do?

I am pessimistic. But I am no way going to judge his presidency or re-electability by 1 month in office! That seems just silly.
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Will Bannon be able to continue dancing the line between white supremacist ideologies and "I can't be racist, I'm a Jew!" to avoid being targeted for assassination by the more overtly NAZI portions of the Alt-Right? While the Alt-Right turning aginst him and successfully assassinating him is unlikely, it's still close enough to the realm of possibility that Bannon would be a fool to not prepare for the contingency.
Er, what? Bannon.is of Irish Catholic heritage. Breitbart was Jewish though.
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There's a very good chance he does not win re-election, but obviously it's too soon to tell. The outcome will mostly depend on the economy. The Republican controlled Congress already raised the debt ceiling 9 trillion dollars ("deficits don't matter"), so if Trump gets a ton of stimulus via tax cuts and infrastructure spending, and there's no crash, sure, he'll win re-election.
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Polls show that voters would choose a democrat over Trump, but not if its Elizabeth Warren

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Trump: 42% Warren: 36%
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Trump's currently trying to antagonize Iran into war. Once we have a fresh shooting war Trump's win in 2020 is pretty much in the bag. He'll ramp up the fear and terror to new heights.

Like George W., he's treating the security briefings entirely too lightly. Justified or not, failing to act on Clinton-era intelligence is considered by some to be one of the contributing factors to the 9/11 terror attacks. If Trump presides over a terrorist attack on US soil he's going to be VERY difficult to defeat in 2020.

He's not going to be impeached. By the time the mid-term elections come around, he'll have so much Fear, Uncertainly and Doubt in play the Democrats will probably lose seats, not gain them. Anyone hoping the GOP will impeach him is living in a fantasy land. They'll probably try to contain the damage he does to their brand but in the end, a powerful populist leader typically leads to more power for his party.

The real questions in my mind are not if Trump will be a two-termer. What I wonder about is:

Will Trump get a constitutional amendment passed to remove the POTUS term limit and allow himself to run for a third term?

Will Bannon be able to continue dancing the line between white supremacist ideologies and "I can't be racist, I'm a Jew!" to avoid being targeted for assassination by the more overtly NAZI portions of the Alt-Right? While the Alt-Right turning aginst him and successfully assassinating him is unlikely, it's still close enough to the realm of possibility that Bannon would be a fool to not prepare for the contingency.
This must be what intellectuals ponder. Hilarious!
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This must be what intellectuals ponder. Hilarious!
This must be what anti-intellectuals ponder. Hilarious!
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Polls show that voters would choose a democrat over Trump, but not if its Elizabeth Warren
Those polls are almost always meaningless. The same thing happened in 2004 when an unnamed, theoretical Democratic candidate would beat Bush.

Trump's political fortunes depend on the economy.
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This must be what anti-intellectuals ponder. Hilarious!
Ones with cartoons for avatars?
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Man, you make me look optimistic about the future of American politics. As concerned as I am about Trump, I still think that he's reckless enough that there's a very real possibility that he'll generate just the right combination of scandals to lose enough strength to be vulnerable. I think the current Russia stuff with Flynn and company is an indication of that.
My greater long-term fear is a more capable and self-aware man taking a look at Trump's playbook and realizing that he can do it better.
Ted Cruz looks in the mirror and sees not only a president, but a president who was prevented becoming president by someone vastly inferior (in his eyes), thereby making him even more determined to become president. All watch, watch the hell out.
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Er, what? Bannon.is of Irish Catholic heritage. Breitbart was Jewish though.


My apologies. I should have clarified I was discussing talking points I've seen circulating among some of the alt-right folks I know. I'm seeing a tendency to claim Bannon is an ethic Jew when it's convenient for the Trump supporter's argument of the moment.
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My apologies. I should have clarified I was discussing talking points I've seen circulating among some of the alt-right folks I know. I'm seeing a tendency to claim Bannon is an ethic Jew when it's convenient for the Trump supporter's argument of the moment.
Ah, yeah, they do that a lot. "Secret Jews" abound, apparently. The Rockefellers are frequently accused of this as I recall.
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What does that matter?
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Anyone here who says Trump won't be re-elected wanna make a bet? If you're wrong and he does get reelected, change your avatar to say TRUMP FTW and change your signature to an inspiring quote from Trump.
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Well, we are less than a month into Donald Trump's presidency and so far he has a record low approval rating and has created so much controversy. Things don't look too good for him now.

Since Trump took over the WH, he has proven that he is unfit. There have been nothing but controversy, turmoil, demonstrations in the streets, Russia cover-up, firings, lies, deceptions, failures, etc., so I don't see how Trump could be re-elected.
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Since Trump took over the WH, he has proven that he is unfit. There have been nothing but controversy, turmoil, demonstrations in the streets, Russia cover-up, firings, lies, deceptions, failures, etc., so I don't see how Trump could be re-elected.

Unless the Democrats offer a superstar, Trump will coast to a second term.

There are currently no Democrat superstars.
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Unless the Democrats offer a superstar, Trump will coast to a second term.

There are currently no Democrat superstars.

Considering that Trump has the lowest approval rating of any new president and the fact that Hillary, not Trump, got the popular vote, we will wait and see, that is, if Trump has not been impeached by then.
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Considering that Trump has the lowest approval rating of any new president and the fact that Hillary, not Trump, got the popular vote, we will wait and see, that is, if Trump has not been impeached by then.
Trump is great at telling the Big Lie. He built his career on it. Just as he got bankers to invest in his Atlantic City debacles in multiple rounds of failed investments (to his own personal enrichment) he will get enough voters to vote for him and not the opposition again in 2020. He may even be able to get his preferred candidates elected in the mid-term elections.

He won't be impeached. The GOP is a castrated bunch of spineless jellyfish. The few with spines are going to be targeted by Trump. They'll either lose their next election bids or be so battered they'll have no political capital or power left. Trump has a very real advantage. He's willing to destroy the GOP and the country to get what he wants. He's already proven he's happy to turn Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre" into "Business as Usual" in his administration, and congress won't do anything about it.

The judiciary is the only real barrier left, but Trump has the power to legally sweep a lot of them away. He's working hard to delegitimize the role of the judiciary, something the GOP has been working on for years with the "Activist Judges" line. He's putting himself in a good position to not face much public backlash if he does illegally ignore judicial rulings. Since Congress is kneeling and opening wide, all he REALLY needs to worry about is a military coup.
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I think he will be re-elected. He understands that in a country where over 40% believe in creationism, nonsense is what works. He knows his customers.
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Old 30th March 2017, 05:51 PM   #115
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Trump is a Jesse Ventura. He does not have it in him to go even 4 years. Trusted underlings will carry it to the end the 4th year. If he is still there.


I sincerely hope you are right and I am wrong.

I fear it is the other way around.
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Old 30th March 2017, 10:45 PM   #116
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Trump is great at telling the Big Lie. He built his career on it. Just as he got bankers to invest in his Atlantic City debacles in multiple rounds of failed investments (to his own personal enrichment) he will get enough voters to vote for him and not the opposition again in 2020. He may even be able to get his preferred candidates elected in the mid-term elections.

He won't be impeached. The GOP is a castrated bunch of spineless jellyfish. The few with spines are going to be targeted by Trump. They'll either lose their next election bids or be so battered they'll have no political capital or power left. Trump has a very real advantage. He's willing to destroy the GOP and the country to get what he wants. He's already proven he's happy to turn Nixon's "Saturday Night Massacre" into "Business as Usual" in his administration, and congress won't do anything about it.

The judiciary is the only real barrier left, but Trump has the power to legally sweep a lot of them away. He's working hard to delegitimize the role of the judiciary, something the GOP has been working on for years with the "Activist Judges" line. He's putting himself in a good position to not face much public backlash if he does illegally ignore judicial rulings. Since Congress is kneeling and opening wide, all he REALLY needs to worry about is a military coup.

Just two months into his presidency and there's so much turmoil in the White House and it seems that with each passing day there's another controversy brewing. Now, we have this:


Flynn seeks immunity for testimony


(CNN)Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn is willing to testify before federal and congressional investigators in their ongoing probe into Russian meddling in the US elections, but only if he is granted immunity, his lawyer said Thursday.

"Gen. Flynn certainly has a story to tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/30/politi...ony/index.html
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I think he will be re-elected. He understands that in a country where over 40% believe in creationism, nonsense is what works. He knows his customers.
If he's alive and if he can be bothered running again then I agree with this.....
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Old 31st March 2017, 12:22 AM   #118
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Originally Posted by skyeagle409 View Post
Since Trump took over the WH, he has proven that he is unfit. There have been nothing but controversy, turmoil, demonstrations in the streets, Russia cover-up, firings, lies, deceptions, failures, etc., so I don't see how Trump could be re-elected.
The problem is that none of the bold is unexpected at all. In fact, Trump seems to be running the country in pretty much the manner that he was predicted to, and for that reason many people said, "I don't see how Trump could be elected."

And yet, guess what happened!
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Several factors that turned the election towards Trump last year may not be present in 2020.

- Russia might not try to/be able to meddle in the election - at least not to the same extent. Hell, they might not even favor Trump a second time around.

- There likely will be no Comey-like revelation two weeks before election day.

- People are more aware of fake news nowadays, and I have faith journalists will start asking harder questions.

Trump's base will vote for him. People who'll vote GOP no matter what will vote for them. I don't think - after four years of this **** - anyone else will.
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Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
Several factors that turned the election towards Trump last year may not be present in 2020.

- Russia might not try to/be able to meddle in the election - at least not to the same extent. Hell, they might not even favor Trump a second time around.
Russia doesn't want a stable and coherent U.S.. I cannot imagine a Democratic Party candidate who would make the U.S. less stable and less coherent than Trump.

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- There likely will be no Comey-like revelation two weeks before election day.
Yes that's unlikely.

Originally Posted by uke2se View Post
- People are more aware of fake news nowadays, and I have faith journalists will start asking harder questions.
They may be more aware but IMO those that care didn't vote for Trump last time and won't vote for him if he runs in 2020.

Journalists will do whatever drives the most traffic to their paper/website/channel. If covering Trump's every pronouncement does that then that's what they'll do. Trump will IMO be box office in 2020, possibly even more than he was in 2016.

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Trump's base will vote for him. People who'll vote GOP no matter what will vote for them. I don't think - after four years of this **** - anyone else will.
Depending on how voter ID and roll purging goes, this could be quite sufficient.
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