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This is The End · 28th February 2018, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit.

Ding, ding, ding!!

If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one.

I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important.

Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it?

quadraginta · 28th February 2018, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by This is The End

Ding, ding, ding!!

If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one.

I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important.

Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it?

That doesn't stop them from trying;

Quote:

Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

Trebuchet · 28th February 2018, 06:34 PM

Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct.

Norman Alexander · 28th February 2018, 07:19 PM

She knows where the bodies are buried. Probably helped bury a few of them herself. And after talks with her lawyer and then stonewalling badly in front of the HIC, she has finally realised she is in a bad, bad place and needs to get out while the going is good. Alternative theory: she may have realised she has less to lose by resigning. Expect her to travel to somewhere the USA can't extradite her from.

No, it isn't coincidental that the HIC appearance immediately preceded her resignation.

Cl1mh4224rd · 28th February 2018, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by quadraginta

That doesn't stop them from trying;

Quote:

Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job?

This is The End · 28th February 2018, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.

That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up.

quadraginta · 28th February 2018, 11:29 PM

Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd

Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job?

That's from other people. Her story is she had been contemplating it for months.

Jim_MDP · 28th February 2018, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by This is The End

That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up.

That's cats for ya... no real loyalty at all.

OMG... Trump is cat people!

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Lurch · 1st March 2018, 01:13 AM

It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

Crossbow · 1st March 2018, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Hicks is out, now everybody is reporting it.
Like putting a model who had no Public Relations or News experience as communications director was a good idea....
Not meant to be a slur on models, but still..

Gee whiz!

When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

ponderingturtle · 1st March 2018, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

In a thousand years, I wouldn't have guessed Hope Hicks.

Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that.

Crossbow · 1st March 2018, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that.

You are quite right.

Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead.

Belz... · 1st March 2018, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

One of the best descriptions of Trump I have read is "A Weak man's fantasy of a Strong man".

Succint and accurate.

Darat · 1st March 2018, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Lurch

It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

I bet he did - admitting you lied! That's a terrible sin in the church of Trump.

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Gee whiz!

When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

Dr. Keith · 1st March 2018, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

I saw a news bit discussing some internal turmoil around him wanting to hire his private pilot to run the FAA. Here is the first article I found.

TheL8Elvis · 1st March 2018, 02:49 PM

Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way.

Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html

White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News
The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports.
Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC.

Craig4 · 1st March 2018, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis

Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way.

Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ?

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html

White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News
The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports.
Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC.

He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore?

alfaniner · 1st March 2018, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

...it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.

It still surprises me that some people are waking up to this only now (and that many have not, yet).

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 05:02 PM

Reports that some of his economic advisors might well quit over his Tarifff decision,rather then be blamed for the economic train wreck that is coming....

Giordano · 1st March 2018, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.

Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

CORed · 1st March 2018, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Lurch

It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

Typical Trump administration tactic. Keep telling different lies until the media gets bored with debunking them.

kellyb · 1st March 2018, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

Right.
It appears that for Trump, only yes-people will fit the bill for people he will trust, rendering "competent" and "trustworthy" mutually exclusive categories, as a general rule.

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Giordano

Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas.

It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss.

Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

What you say here is pretty much standard in any Business Management 1A course:that surrounding yourself with Yes Men leads to disaster.
Another reason why people who claim Trump is a great businessman are ignorant .

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 05:47 PM

Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him.
Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants.
Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions.
Finding "traitors" everywhere.
Turning on people who were once his allies.
Now who does that remind you of in his last days?

kellyb · 1st March 2018, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him.
Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants.
Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions.
Finding "traitors" everywhere.
Turning on people who were once his allies.
Now who does that remind you of in his last days?

Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession?

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by kellyb

Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession?

I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

kellyb · 1st March 2018, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.

d4m10n · 1st March 2018, 07:25 PM

Whoa

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768

DevilsAdvocate · 1st March 2018, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

You are quite right.

Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead.

You are confusing your alternative facts with hyperbolic truths.

Skeptic Ginger · 1st March 2018, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Loss Leader

I have this fantasy that she resigned because Mueller flipped her, but I think that's unlikely. My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit.

You give the lot of them too much credit for maturity.

Speculating: Her boyfriend was canned. Probably led to some tension. Trump's pressures are mounting. He's been yelling at everyone, surely he shouted at Hicks. She's been grumbling not used to not being in a snowflake role. She gets back from the Mueller interrogation, it's leaked about the admission of white lies, Trump is his unable to control himself mood yells some more at poor little Hicks and she says, fine I quit.

Originally Posted by kellyb

Sessions will go before Jarod, is my bet.

Sessions and Rosenstein apparently made a conspicuous public appearance at a restaurant across from Trump's hotel. That suggests they are teaming up and taking advantage of the turmoil to let Trump no they aren't going anywhere and he can't fire them.

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct.

Doubtful. He's too angry right now. His widdle world is crashing down.

Originally Posted by Craig4

He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore?

Maybe McMasters is drawing the line at corruption akin to treason.

Apparently it was news to McMaster that Kushner had all those meetings with foreigners just before they loaned Kushner millions.

At least that's what the article in the WA Po suggests: Kushner’s overseas contacts raise concerns as foreign officials seek leverage

Quote:

H.R. McMaster, President Trump’s national security adviser, learned that Kushner had contacts with foreign officials that he did not coordinate through the National Security Council or officially report.

Trebuchet · 1st March 2018, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.

Originally Posted by kellyb

I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.

He has, after all, married two of them. Hot Eastern European immigrants = good. Filthy Mexicans = bad.

Skeptic Ginger · 1st March 2018, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Whoa

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768

Well that certainly adds another layer.

The Great Zaganza · 1st March 2018, 08:47 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Well that certainly adds another layer.

Looks like Kelly wants to be president.

Craig4 · 1st March 2018, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by d4m10n

Whoa

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768

That surprises me. I don't know much about Kelly but I'd have thought Mattis and McMaster were kindred spirits. They are both well known for being scholar generals. I wonder if this was a hostage rescue on the part of the CoS and SECDEF or he got on the outs with the two former four stars for advocating a "bloody nose" strike on North Korea. I don't believe either of them were in favor of that course of action.

Craig4 · 1st March 2018, 10:36 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

He has, after all, married two of them. Hot Eastern European immigrants = good. Filthy Mexicans = bad.

I suspect that if all his indiscretions with undocumented pretty young house keepers were brought to term there'd be a global onesie shortage.

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by kellyb

I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.

And people though that Hitler's rants against the Jews were just for political purposes.
I have come to think that if someone says bigoted things and acts like a bigot, it is safest to think he is a bigot.

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 11:42 PM

More reports on CNN tonight that Trump's main economic advisor might well quit over the Tariff.
And the Wall Street Journal blasted Trump for his tariffs, calling it the worst policy decision of his presidency so far. In terms of damaging the economy, they well might be right.

dudalb · 1st March 2018, 11:43 PM

And rumors that McMasters already has a job offer from the Hoover institute, a very highly though of and respected think tank with offices in DC and Stanford.

kellyb · 1st March 2018, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And people though that Hitler's rants against the Jews were just for political purposes.
I have come to think that if someone says bigoted things and acts like a bigot, it is safest to think he is a bigot.

He's functionally indistinguishable from an ideologue type of bigot in terms of behavior, and really, anyone who's not part of his family or fan club is s*** as far as he's concerned, so it doesn't really matter.

28th February 2018, 04:36 PM	#601
This is The End Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,920	Originally Posted by Loss Leader My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit. Ding, ding, ding!! If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one. I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important. Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it?
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28th February 2018, 06:10 PM	#602
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,296	Originally Posted by This is The End Ding, ding, ding!! If you spend several hours in front of the House Intelligence Committee and the very next day quit your job. It's related. Hard to sell "huge coincidence" on that one. I believe it has come out that during that testimony she admitted to having often told white lies for Trump. But never about anything important. Gotta love the contradiction there. If it wasn't ever about anything important... why do it? That doesn't stop them from trying; Quote: Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job.
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28th February 2018, 06:34 PM	#603
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,330	Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct.
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28th February 2018, 07:19 PM	#604
Norman Alexander Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 9,197	She knows where the bodies are buried. Probably helped bury a few of them herself. And after talks with her lawyer and then stonewalling badly in front of the HIC, she has finally realised she is in a bad, bad place and needs to get out while the going is good. Alternative theory: she may have realised she has less to lose by resigning. Expect her to travel to somewhere the USA can't extradite her from. No, it isn't coincidental that the HIC appearance immediately preceded her resignation.
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28th February 2018, 09:35 PM	#605
Cl1mh4224rd Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 9,778	Originally Posted by quadraginta That doesn't stop them from trying; Quote: Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job. Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job?
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28th February 2018, 10:38 PM	#606
This is The End Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 10,920	Quote: Multiple White House aides said that Ms. Hicks’s departure was unrelated to her appearance before the committee. They said that she had told a small group of people in the days before the session that she had planned to leave her job. That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up.
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28th February 2018, 11:29 PM	#607
quadraginta Becoming Beth Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Vale of Humility (USA, sort of) Posts: 26,296	Originally Posted by Cl1mh4224rd Ha. Days! I mean, who could possibly know days ahead of a testimony that what they're likely to say in that testimony would make it extremely difficult if not impossible to remain in their current job? That's from other people. Her story is she had been contemplating it for months.
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28th February 2018, 11:54 PM	#608
Jim_MDP Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: N.Cal/S.Or Posts: 8,123	Originally Posted by This is The End That small group of people probably consisted of nobody, a ghost, and a cat. And the cat refuses to back her up. That's cats for ya... no real loyalty at all. OMG... Trump is cat people! Sent from my A463BG using Tapatalk
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1st March 2018, 01:13 AM	#609
Lurch Graduate Poster Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Ottawa Posts: 1,667	It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw.

1st March 2018, 06:13 AM	#610
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 13,415	Originally Posted by dudalb Hicks is out, now everybody is reporting it. Like putting a model who had no Public Relations or News experience as communications director was a good idea.... Not meant to be a slur on models, but still.. Gee whiz! When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017.
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1st March 2018, 06:22 AM	#611
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 50,761	Originally Posted by Loss Leader In a thousand years, I wouldn't have guessed Hope Hicks. Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that.
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1st March 2018, 06:36 AM	#612
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 13,415	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Yea but then she admitted to lying and he can not accept that. You are quite right. Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead.
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1st March 2018, 06:37 AM	#613
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,247	Originally Posted by dudalb One of the best descriptions of Trump I have read is "A Weak man's fantasy of a Strong man". Succint and accurate.
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1st March 2018, 06:41 AM	#614
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,849	Originally Posted by Lurch It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw. I bet he did - admitting you lied! That's a terrible sin in the church of Trump.
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1st March 2018, 02:00 PM	#615
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by Crossbow Gee whiz! When one of Trump's favorite lackeys gets the boot, then it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017. I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that.
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1st March 2018, 02:39 PM	#616
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,944	Originally Posted by dudalb I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that. I saw a news bit discussing some internal turmoil around him wanting to hire his private pilot to run the FAA. Here is the first article I found.
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1st March 2018, 02:49 PM	#617
TheL8Elvis Philosopher Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 8,276	Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way. Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports. Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC.
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1st March 2018, 04:36 PM	#618
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,892	Originally Posted by TheL8Elvis Up next, HR Mcmaster.... ? Looking that way. Will the last adult in the room please turn the lights off on the way out ? https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/whit...-nbc-news.html White House preparing for exit of national security advisor HR McMaster: NBC News The White House could replace national security advisor H.R. McMaster as early as next month, NBC News reports. Ford executive Stephen Biegun is among McMaster's possible replacements, according to NBC. He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore?

1st March 2018, 04:44 PM	#619
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 25,066	Originally Posted by Crossbow ...it clearly shows just what a total cluster "something censored" the White House has been since 12:00 PM EST 20 JAN 2017. It still surprises me that some people are waking up to this only now (and that many have not, yet).
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1st March 2018, 05:02 PM	#620
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Reports that some of his economic advisors might well quit over his Tarifff decision,rather then be blamed for the economic train wreck that is coming....
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1st March 2018, 05:17 PM	#621
Giordano Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 17,646	Originally Posted by dudalb I can see wanting to surround yourself with people you can trust,and who have some loyalty, but for heaven's sake be sure they are competent to do the job you are hiring them for. Trump seems unable to do that. Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas. It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss. Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him.

1st March 2018, 05:18 PM	#622
CORed Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Central City, Colorado, USA Posts: 10,146	Originally Posted by Lurch It's being reported that after her testimony in which she admitted telling "white lies", Trump upbraided her, that being perhaps the proverbial last straw. Typical Trump administration tactic. Keep telling different lies until the media gets bored with debunking them.

1st March 2018, 05:28 PM	#623
kellyb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,632	Originally Posted by Giordano Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas. It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss. Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him. Right. It appears that for Trump, only yes-people will fit the bill for people he will trust, rendering "competent" and "trustworthy" mutually exclusive categories, as a general rule.
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1st March 2018, 05:42 PM	#624
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by Giordano Even more so: a truly clever leader includes in their inner circle at least a few people who are not only competent, but are also willing to actively disagree with them, to point out the possible negatives in any policy proposed, and to propose alternative ideas. It is easier to surround yourself with ego-stroking yes-people, but very dangerous to make policy in a hall of mirrors where everyone is just trying to please the big boss. Needless-to-say I am not expecting Trump to recognize the value of having advisors who will disagree with him. What you say here is pretty much standard in any Business Management 1A course:that surrounding yourself with Yes Men leads to disaster. Another reason why people who claim Trump is a great businessman are ignorant .
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1st March 2018, 05:47 PM	#625
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him. Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants. Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions. Finding "traitors" everywhere. Turning on people who were once his allies. Now who does that remind you of in his last days?
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

1st March 2018, 05:49 PM	#626
kellyb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,632	Originally Posted by dudalb Surrounds himself with sychophants who are afraid to disagree with him. Increasingly Isolated from all but his his most boot licking sycophants. Rejecting reality when it clashes with his ideological obssesions. Finding "traitors" everywhere. Turning on people who were once his allies. Now who does that remind you of in his last days? Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession?
	__________________ "We are enjoined, no matter how uncomfortable it might be, to consider ourselves and our cultural institutions scientifically — not to accept uncritically whatever we’re told; to surmount as best we can our hopes, conceits, and unexamined beliefs; to view ourselves as we really are." - Carl Sagan

1st March 2018, 05:53 PM	#627
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by kellyb Does Trump have ideological obsessions (plural), or just himself as King S*** as his exclusive ideological obsession? I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them.
	__________________ Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty. Robert Heinlein.

1st March 2018, 06:07 PM	#628
kellyb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,632	Originally Posted by dudalb I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them. I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base.
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1st March 2018, 07:25 PM	#629
d4m10n Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Mounts Farm Posts: 6,708	Whoa https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768
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1st March 2018, 07:26 PM	#630
DevilsAdvocate Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,629	Originally Posted by Crossbow You are quite right. Hope Hicks should have used a more elaborate term like "alternative truths" instead. You are confusing your alternative facts with hyperbolic truths.
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1st March 2018, 07:26 PM	#631
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,925	Originally Posted by Loss Leader I have this fantasy that she resigned because Mueller flipped her, but I think that's unlikely. My best guess is that, in connection with her testimony yesterday, she told her lawyers something incriminating and they advised her she had to quit. You give the lot of them too much credit for maturity. Speculating: Her boyfriend was canned. Probably led to some tension. Trump's pressures are mounting. He's been yelling at everyone, surely he shouted at Hicks. She's been grumbling not used to not being in a snowflake role. She gets back from the Mueller interrogation, it's leaked about the admission of white lies, Trump is his unable to control himself mood yells some more at poor little Hicks and she says, fine I quit. Originally Posted by kellyb Sessions will go before Jarod, is my bet. Sessions and Rosenstein apparently made a conspicuous public appearance at a restaurant across from Trump's hotel. That suggests they are teaming up and taking advantage of the turmoil to let Trump no they aren't going anywhere and he can't fire them. Originally Posted by Trebuchet Perhaps TheDonald was getting a bit too handsy and her boyfriend was no longer there to obstruct. Doubtful. He's too angry right now. His widdle world is crashing down. Originally Posted by Craig4 He's still has lots of years ahead if him. Why would he throw it all away to work for a Russian Whore? Maybe McMasters is drawing the line at corruption akin to treason. Apparently it was news to McMaster that Kushner had all those meetings with foreigners just before they loaned Kushner millions. At least that's what the article in the WA Po suggests: Kushner’s overseas contacts raise concerns as foreign officials seek leverage Quote: H.R. McMaster, President Trump’s national security adviser, learned that Kushner had contacts with foreign officials that he did not coordinate through the National Security Council or officially report.

1st March 2018, 07:28 PM	#632
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,330	Originally Posted by dudalb I think it is pretty clear his does have some ideological obssesions..immigrants are basically bad being one of them. Originally Posted by kellyb I kinda think he just fakes hatred of immigrants to pander to his bigot base. He has, after all, married two of them. Hot Eastern European immigrants = good. Filthy Mexicans = bad.
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1st March 2018, 07:28 PM	#633
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 87,925	Originally Posted by d4m10n Whoa https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768 Well that certainly adds another layer.

1st March 2018, 08:47 PM	#634
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,878	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Well that certainly adds another layer. Looks like Kelly wants to be president.
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1st March 2018, 10:34 PM	#635
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,892	Originally Posted by d4m10n Whoa https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/969317139919392768 That surprises me. I don't know much about Kelly but I'd have thought Mattis and McMaster were kindred spirits. They are both well known for being scholar generals. I wonder if this was a hostage rescue on the part of the CoS and SECDEF or he got on the outs with the two former four stars for advocating a "bloody nose" strike on North Korea. I don't believe either of them were in favor of that course of action.