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Old 21st February 2021, 08:26 PM   #3161
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Yes, the number of people reporting having been assaulted by the alleged rapist has grown to four. There's a serial rapist at large in Parliament House and I for one would like to know what's being done about that.
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Old 21st February 2021, 09:46 PM   #3162
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If a person treats another person inappropriately they probably also treat other people in the same way. The only solution is to get rid of this person. Either that or you endorse the behaviour.
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Yes, the number of people reporting having been assaulted by the alleged rapist has grown to four. There's a serial rapist at large in Parliament House and I for one would like to know what's being done about that.
And the actual number I suggest could grow. He seems to have had the attitude that vulnerable females should be sexually abused. I suggest that everyone who knew, or should have known, of the allegations and did nothing about it is an accessory before the fact.

Here is the news article about the four women.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...-case/13178190
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Craig Kelly has just quit the Liberal Party.
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Old 23rd February 2021, 02:31 PM   #3164
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post

Craig's office is under investigation due to inappropriate behaviour by one Mr Zumbo.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-...kelly/13184948

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Mr Kelly has previously vigorously defended Mr Zumbo and said standing him aside was one of the options the Prime Minister's staff had put to him last week.
"I said at the moment, there are no charges that have been laid, there is an AVO application which has been publicly known for at least six months that doesn't affect his ongoing work and I see no grounds for him to be thrown under the bus," he told the ABC last week.

So Kelly is standing by his man.

Maybe he has alternative views about sexual harassment to go along with the alternative medicine leaning.
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Old 24th February 2021, 03:23 PM   #3165
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Peter Dutton defends handling of information around Brittany Higgins rape allegation

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Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has defended his decision not to tell the Prime Minister about an alleged sexual assault in Parliament, saying it was a sensitive, operational matter.

Brittany Higgins alleged she was raped by a male colleague inside a minister's office two years ago.

The Australian Federal Police (AFP) briefed Mr Dutton days before the allegations became public.

He described the information he received as "high level" and "more around the process than the detail" of the alleged offence.
The brussels sprout is not doing himself any favours here, in my opinion.
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Old 25th February 2021, 12:59 AM   #3166
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Peter Dutton defends handling of information around Brittany Higgins rape allegation

The brussels sprout is not doing himself any favours here, in my opinion.
Beat me to it. Everyone knows that “he said, she said” is nothing other than casting doubt on a woman’s rape allegation. And from an ex-cop, this does not surprise at all.

The Coalition’s handling of this issue simply couldn’t be worse.
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Old 25th February 2021, 04:08 AM   #3167
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Peter Dutton defends handling of information around Brittany Higgins rape allegation

The brussels sprout is not doing himself any favours here, in my opinion.
I want to say that Dutton is an idiot, but I honestly feel like most of his actions are due to malice and not stupidity.

As an aside, I feel like the highlighted bit would be more applicable to Cormann.
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Old 25th February 2021, 05:32 AM   #3168
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Peter Dutton defends handling of information around Brittany Higgins rape allegation

The brussels sprout is not doing himself any favours here, in my opinion.
Higgins and one of the other victims both said they advised the AFP years ago at the time of the offences. One of them made a formal complaint (Higgins did not AFAIK). The AFP should then have immediately advised the minister responsible (Home Affairs?) for managing government employees inside Parliament House at that time as a matter of course. That minister was Dutton.

So if the AFP did their job then Dutton or his office must surely have been informed then. If they did not then the AFP has failed in their duty. Personally I believe they did inform someone.

If Dutton's staff only were advised but failed to advise Dutton then they are grossly negligent and culpable.

If Dutton was advised, either directly from the AFP or by his staff, and has done nothing for years then his position as minister is untenable, and he has been, frankly, criminally negligent in failing to deal with at least one serious crime.

And if indeed he was informed a while back then he is lying now.

But this is the sort of attitude that Dutton brings to the job. He is a relic of the Queensland Bjelke Peterson "brown paper bags of cash" days, being a copper at the time when half the Qld force was on the take. They would be quite prepared to overlook an offence or two if there was something in it for them.
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Old 25th February 2021, 05:29 PM   #3169
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As an aside, I feel like the highlighted bit would be more applicable to Cormann.
Fair, but brussels sprout is how First Dog refers to him, so with me it's just stuck.
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Ali France is running against Dutton again. Good luck to her.
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Old 26th February 2021, 05:23 PM   #3171
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Proof the 501s are working out nicely for Australia.

In the past one month, not only was the week-long and highly-destructive Waikeria Prison riot started by 501s, we've had - in the past three days - #1, a 501 who became President of the NZ Commancheros sentenced to 15 years for meth, #2, a double murderer who served 15 years in Aussie now locked up for another 15 years for sexually molesting his girlfriend's young children, and #3, one who won't add to NZ's prison costs, because the cops shot and killed him last night. Not sure what his 501 was for, but he was definitely deported under the rule.

Thanks, Australia!

Can we send Brenton Tarrant back now?
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Can we send Brenton Tarrant back now?
NZ has not sent him back already? Or is NZ waiting until his sentence is up?
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NZ has not sent him back already? Or is NZ waiting until his sentence is up?
Sadly, the latter, and since the sentence is life without parole, I'm picking he'll die in a NZ prison.
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Old 27th February 2021, 02:11 PM   #3174
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Yes I certainly second that.

Not that I know much about Ali France mind you, but I would back the proverbial "Drovers Dog" in preference to Dutton.
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Who is the minister?

If its supposed to be a new appointee and not from NSW, someone does stand out.

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Sadly, the latter, and since the sentence is life without parole, I'm picking he'll die in a NZ prison.
As long as that prison is on the Bounty Islands, that's fine by me.
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Who is the minister?

If its supposed to be a new appointee and not from NSW, someone does stand out.
Not that many old enough. My bet is Ken Wyatt. But I have no reason to think this.
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Christian Porters name is getting thrown about.
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Christian Porters name is getting thrown about.
Yes more likely as details come out.

I assumed the rape was committed by an older man, but the woman and the rapist were both teenagers. She killed herself last year at age 50. Porter is 51.
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Scott Morrison will fail to lead or show any moral fortitude. A total coward.
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Christian Porters name is getting thrown about.
I got Angus Taylor as front runner from news room gossip , but with no supporting evidence.
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Scott Morrison will fail to lead or show any moral fortitude. A total coward.
But what marketing skillz!
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I got Angus Taylor as front runner from news room gossip , but with no supporting evidence.
Look around Reddit and Twitter. Debating comps seem to be a Porter link. It’s only a matter of time before he makes a statement.

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Scott Morrison will fail to lead or show any moral fortitude. A total coward.

Aww..... now now. I bet he's praying like mad.
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Presser tomorrow morning. Will be Porter. Vehemently denies but stepping down in interests of country and party. Thats how these things go. Or if Scotty is standing beside him it means they are digging in.
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Presser tomorrow morning. Will be Porter. Vehemently denies but stepping down in interests of country and party. Thats how these things go. Or if Scotty is standing beside him it means they are digging in.
Cue Dutton “he said, she said. Where’s the she?”
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I haven't watched the press conference yet, but it looks like it was indeed Porter. Of course he won't resign, I mean he hasn't for all the other terrible things that he's done as attorney-general.

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Well he wouldn’t want to set a precedent.


For anyone who might think their accusations have any weight against a powerful and connected man.

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I haven't watched the press conference yet, but it looks like it was indeed Porter. Of course he won't resign, I mean he hasn't for all the other terrible things that he's done as attorney-general.

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Oh boo hoo. One of the coalition’s major head kickers and bullies playing the victim? Precious.
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Look around Reddit and Twitter. Debating comps seem to be a Porter link. It’s only a matter of time before he makes a statement.
Thank you. I was wrong. It was not Angus Taylor and I have to apologise on the forum for suggesting that.
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Amy Remeikis on The Drum: “Why is the denial louder than someone saying, ‘This happened to me?’ The Parliament hasn’t worked out how to deal with that and if they can’t how can they expect anyone else to move forward on it?”
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On same program just saw Grace Tame’s response to a journalist asking her for a response to comments by PM. “It shouldn’t take having children to have a conscience. [a pause of indescribable power] And actually on top of that, having children doesn’t guarantee a conscience.”

Now, I caught the quote in print but to hear it is wow.

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Then go watch the whole thing. It’s easy to find. Australian of the year. Absolutely. The faces of the women in the audience listening hits me hard as a man. The look of knowing on so many of them is an indictment on us.

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Oh boo hoo. One of the coalition’s major head kickers and bullies playing the victim? Precious.
Ordinarily I might be a little sympathetic for Christian Porter since there is no way that he can disprove the allegation against him

However, Christian Porter was the MP who joined Clive Palmer in his lawsuit against WA over border closures so hard cheese.
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Porter’s opening today is interesting. He addresses the family and says, “You did not deserve the frenzied politicisation of your daughter’s death.” Now I could be completely wrong but that is far removed from what my perception would be if I were a member of her family. I would believe her, making this seem an incongruous framing. On the other hand it’s a classic move in politics to dismiss any accusation of wrongdoing as being politically motivated. The statement looks utterly self serving and makes a lie of his empathetic staging.

Also note how he frames the media and social media commenters as the accusers and not the woman who made the allegations before she died. These are much easier targets to cast as villains. To attack her and her claims directly is much harder for him and the public to accept. A perfect segue from the opening. This was as staged as you would expect from a politician.

“Nothing more than an accusation.” That is one hell of a loaded framing too.

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Ordinarily I might be a little sympathetic for Christian Porter since there is no way that he can disprove the allegation against him

However, Christian Porter was the MP who joined Clive Palmer in his lawsuit against WA over border closures so hard cheese.
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Not if he (and the whole Morrison government) were willing to join forces with the biggest **** hole in the country to bring down the borders. He threatened the safety of not only WA but the whole country since it would have stopped the other states from putting up borders when they thought it was necessary too.
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Wow, Australia has recovered 85% of the losses due to Covid. Yes, I know that a proportion of that was due to enormous deficit spending, but this is still an outstanding result.

It’s not often I praise the Morrison government, but they did the right thing going hard and early with support packages. There might still be a dip when Jobkeeper finishes, but things look well on track.
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Good timing with rains and good agriculture results, plus minerals prices improving?
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Good timing with rains and good agriculture results, plus minerals prices improving?
That helped for sure, but I think it was mainly deficit spending, which the Coalition has been bagging for decades.
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Originally Posted by lionking View Post
That helped for sure, but I think it was mainly deficit spending, which the Coalition has been bagging for decades.
They need to keep spending until inflation starts to rise. Hopefully this will create many new jobs. And if they spend some of this money on infrastructure so much the better. It would give the economy an even bigger boost.
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