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Old 17th August 2020, 04:20 AM   #201
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Curious what the Lincoln Projects ghouls will have to say about this attack on the USPS, given that privatizing the mail is a long term project of the Republican party that predates Trumpism.
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Old 17th August 2020, 05:59 AM   #202
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Curious what the Lincoln Projects ghouls will have to say about this attack on the USPS, given that privatizing the mail is a long term project of the Republican party that predates Trumpism.


One would hope that they'd have a come-to-Jesus moment, and realize that this sort of crap is exactly why getting rid of the post office is a bad idea.

One would fear that, instead, they'd have a come-to-Republican-Jesus moment.
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Old 17th August 2020, 11:08 AM   #203
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I'll ask the question here: is it legal for us furriners (a word I learned from Foolmewunz :sad emoji: ) to donate to the Lincoln Project (or other pro Biden PACS)?

ETA: apparently not, sorry.
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Old 18th August 2020, 06:27 AM   #205
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
One would hope that they'd have a come-to-Jesus moment, and realize that this sort of crap is exactly why getting rid of the post office is a bad idea.

One would fear that, instead, they'd have a come-to-Republican-Jesus moment.
If there is no government post office, the government would not be able to interfere with it before an election. The ability to not use it for political purposes is one of the cases for privatizing things.
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Old 18th August 2020, 06:31 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If there is no government post office, the government would not be able to interfere with it before an election. The ability to not use it for political purposes is one of the cases for privatizing things.
Yeah great, then democracy relies on corporations owned by billionaires. No thank you.
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Yeah great, then democracy relies [more] on corporations owned by billionaires. No thank you.
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
One would hope that they'd have a come-to-Jesus moment, and realize that this sort of crap is exactly why getting rid of the post office is a bad idea.

One would fear that, instead, they'd have a come-to-Republican-Jesus moment.
I don't know what that would look like though.

Trump is the consequence of decades of conservative dog whistling. There's nothing new about it, it's just bit bolder and purer than previous versions.

I don't know what a conservative "restoration" would look like, nor do I think the Lincoln Project know. I suppose it isn't necessary, as their organization is dedicated to the single issue of attacking Trump.

There's definitely no reason to treat any of these people as heroes given the vast uncertainties of what they imagine the "new" conservatism would look like post Trump. My expectations are low.
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I don't know what that would look like though.

Trump is the consequence of decades of conservative dog whistling. There's nothing new about it, it's just bit bolder and purer than previous versions.

I don't know what a conservative "restoration" would look like, nor do I think the Lincoln Project know. I suppose it isn't necessary, as their organization is dedicated to the single issue of attacking Trump.

There's definitely no reason to treat any of these people as heroes given the vast uncertainties of what they imagine the "new" conservatism would look like post Trump. My expectations are low.
Maybe it's sweeping all of that racism, corruption, voter suppression and so on stuff back under the carpet where it belongs (and can continue quietly) rather than it being dragged into the light by President Trump and his acolytes' outbursts
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
I don't know what that would look like though.


I imagine it would look a lot like Bob's post above. "Privatization hasn't worked, we must try it even harder!"
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Old 18th August 2020, 11:44 AM   #211
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Yeah great, then democracy relies on corporations owned by billionaires. No thank you.
Well, my response was regarding how the Lincoln project could square the conservative circle. As a non conservative, you have no circle to square.
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
If there is no government post office, the government would not be able to interfere with it before an election. The ability to not use it for political purposes is one of the cases for privatizing things.
I don't see how privatizing would keep it from interfering with an election. Conservatives would just have to make sure that its corporate culture was heavily weighted in favor of contemporary conservative values.

Old-fashioned conservative values I could probably live with, but not the radical right agenda currently on offer.
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I don't see how privatizing would keep it from interfering with an election. Conservatives would just have to make sure that its corporate culture was heavily weighted in favor of contemporary conservative values.

Old-fashioned conservative values I could probably live with, but not the radical right agenda currently on offer.

I think the Lincoln project is radical, right?
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I think the Lincoln project is radical, right?
According to Trump they're probably radical lefties.
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Who cares what you buy,
I don't buy it either.

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the system needs an overhaul and yes, trumpy needs to go,
Agreed.

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but, when so many are simply blinded by "orange man bad",
Really? The "Orange man is destroying America, and you think it is "bad" to point that out?

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which makes for tunnel vision, they need to get out of the way. You lead, follow or get out of the way, and the whiners who only do OMB, need to get out of the way if they have no alternative plan, which, they dont.
And that is why you are stuck with Trump no matter what you claim. When you say "get out of the way", you mean Trump's re-election and that's all you mean. The rest of us are horrified that a onetime ally has become a tinpot dictatorship. Honestly, I am unsure how many decades it will take for the US to recover from the damage.

There are only two remaining superpowers remaining in the world today. The US is NOT one of those.

Can't say I like that much, but that is what you chose to do to yourselves and there is nothing I can do about it.
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I think the Lincoln project is radical, right?
I don't know. The definitions aren't really up to the task. I just know "conservatives" are not what they used to be.
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There are only two remaining superpowers remaining in the world today. The US is NOT one of those.
What are they? Russia is not the Soviet Union. And China ... is not really what it could have been, IMO.
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Radicals take over the GOP and now it looks like the Lincoln Project Republicans who are still actual Republicans are somehow extremist [anything] ?
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The Lincoln Project are establishment Republicans who fear what Trump may be doing to the party. Specifically they fear that the reaction against Trump might undermine its future.
These are folks who had no problem with the Southern Strategy, tax cuts for the rich, undermining equality, gerrymandering, corporate greed, the Iraq War, or anything else that party has been doing for the past 50 years. They only have a problem with Trump, and when he's gone they'll go right back to all the other stuff.
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To deliberately present an extreme analogy: The USSR at the time of WW 2 was hardly a “good guy.” Yet to have rejected them as an ally in the fight against the axis would have been deeply foolhardy.
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To deliberately present an extreme analogy: The USSR at the time of WW 2 was hardly a “good guy.” Yet to have rejected them as an ally in the fight against the axis would have been deeply foolhardy.
The Soviets were committed, gotta give 'em that. Maybe all that was just personal, Hitler vs. Stalin. I am a long, long way from being an expert.

I don't really see a segue into something on topic, so I'll leave it at that.
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Radicals take over the GOP and now it looks like the Lincoln Project Republicans who are still actual Republicans are somehow extremist [anything] ?
This may have just been a play on words by BTC. I couldn't tell. But IMO, no, the Lincoln Project folks are not radical. They are trying to hold onto a definition of "conservative" that doesn't fit the agenda of many other self-defined current-day "conservatives." I've had a problem with the usage of "conservative" for at least the past 12 years. And that dates back to GWB - he seems sane now in comparison, but he let people manipulate him into invading Iraq. Not conservative in my book, at all. Though I hate to give Trump credit, he hasn't succeeded in dragging the U.S. into another Afghanistan/Iraq ***************. At least, not yet.
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The Lincoln Project are establishment Republicans who fear what Trump may be doing to the party. Specifically they fear that the reaction against Trump might undermine its future.
These are folks who had no problem with the Southern Strategy, tax cuts for the rich, undermining equality, gerrymandering, corporate greed, the Iraq War, or anything else that party has been doing for the past 50 years. They only have a problem with Trump, and when he's gone they'll go right back to all the other stuff.
They are the enemy of my enemy. But they are not my friends.
They don't have to be my friend to be appreciated for making multiple ads against Trump, and are especially trying to get his goat.
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Seems that they are giving priority to family. Can’t fault them for that. A lot of Trumpistas would not do that.
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Seems that they are giving priority to family. Can’t fault them for that. A lot of Trumpistas would not do that.
Yep, I wish their family the best of luck in pulling stuff back together. It won't be easy from the outward signs, but one can hope.
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Claudia Conway enters the Posting Hall of Fame, getting both of her ghoul parents to quit their high power jobs through the power of Twitter posting.

o7 salute a real one
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Seems that they are giving priority to family. Can’t fault them for that. A lot of Trumpistas would not do that.
Maybe it's just me, but I think this is all a show.
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Maybe it's just me, but I think this is all a show.
I am open to that possibility. I just don't see how bailing on Trump right before she was scheduled to speak at the convention can be made to work to his advantage. Maybe she just realized that there is nothing she cold say that would make Trump, or herself, look good.
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I am open to that possibility. I just don't see how bailing on Trump right before she was scheduled to speak at the convention can be made to work to his advantage. Maybe she just realized that there is nothing she cold say that would make Trump, or herself, look good.
Reports are she's still going to speak. I think your teenage daughter making a public statement about her parent's discord makes this more than likely one time "spending more time with the family" is probably true.

I imagine the lockdown had something to do with this as well. Before that, George and Kellyanne probably didn't spend that much time together. And the daughter was probably also in the same house. What a nightmare.

And it's a smart move given Trump's reelection prospects aren't good.

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My wife looked at Claudia's twitter. She's very upset that her mother is still scheduled to speak at the convention.
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As I said upthread, I don't think that anything that any of them says publicly can be trusted. With Bush they were doing the same thing - both getting paid for publicly disagree with each other's politics.

It's possible that it's all true, but I don't think we should unquestioningly take the word of liars and liars' daughters. Especially not when it's been reported many times that absolutely nobody in Trump's orbit is actually on his side, but is instead just using him for what they can get.

It seems to me that a credible scenario is that they're sure that Trump is going down (Kellyanne is reputed to be the source of the story that Trump has privately been telling people that he's going to resign in November) and figure that this is the best way to get some publicity and some distance before re-emerging again with some new grift, or some new version of this one.

I do find Claudia's position to be more credible than either of her parents', and it is possible that she really is trying to get herself emancipated which has led to them reconsidering their grift, but I see no reason to assume it's true just because she says it is.
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Say what you will, George Conway is good at Twitter:

"Very soon, he will go away. He will disappear, like a miracle. We are doing a tremendous job."

https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/statu...24158958350336
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"Very soon, he will go away. He will disappear, like a miracle. We are doing a tremendous job."
Hopefully he will lose strongly and bigly. I need encouragment like this in my life.
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This may have just been a play on words by BTC. I couldn't tell. But IMO, no, the Lincoln Project folks are not radical. They are trying to hold onto a definition of "conservative" that doesn't fit the agenda of many other self-defined current-day "conservatives." I've had a problem with the usage of "conservative" for at least the past 12 years. And that dates back to GWB - he seems sane now in comparison, but he let people manipulate him into invading Iraq. Not conservative in my book, at all. Though I hate to give Trump credit, he hasn't succeeded in dragging the U.S. into another Afghanistan/Iraq ***************. At least, not yet.
We're lucky he hasn't had the opportunity. You can be sure that if there's another terrible terrorist attack, he''ll be blowing up something.
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It will be interesting to see what happens to the Lincoln Project next. Their whole raison d'etre is gone, and they failed miserably in their secondary goal of defeating as many Republicans in Congress as possible. Indeed it is quite arguable that they failed in their primary goal of peeling off as much Republican support from Trump as possible; some polling indicates Trump did better among GOP partisans in 2020 than in 2016.

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Any hope that they would be invited back to help the shattered GOP rebuild itself is gone. Yes, maybe Biden will pick one or two for sub-cabinet level positions, but as Joe himself boasted, he doesn't need a lot of help working across the aisle, and he's gotta tamp down his left flank (unless he's already accepted that he'll be a one-termer). They are talking about a media enterprise:

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Driving the news: The group is in talks with the United Talent Agency (UTA) to help build out Lincoln Media and is weighing offers from different television studios, podcast networks and book publishers.

Why it matters: Lincoln's plan is part of the new trend of activists developing massive audiences for political influence that they are then able to spin into commercial media success.
I don't see it happening for obvious reasons.
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Yeah, the vote made it clear that the GOP is not going back to the Lincoln Republicans.
They better start their own party.
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Seems the whole idea of moderating the platform to appeal to disaffected conservatives was a foolish move. Trumpism is the Republican party now, Never-Trump conservatives are an insignificant minority.
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Old 5th November 2020, 11:02 AM   #239
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Yeah, the vote made it clear that the GOP is not going back to the Lincoln Republicans.
They better start their own party.
And if Trump loses, and the party does revert to the establishment, Trump will certainly start HIS own party.
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Old 5th November 2020, 12:34 PM   #240
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
And if Trump loses, and the party does revert to the establishment, Trump will certainly start HIS own party.
That's not the way I see it.

Trump managed to mobilize numbers of voters an establishment GOP candidate can not even dream of.
I think that they will keep the door open for Trump to run in 2024 whilst looking whether Tucker Carlson or another racist Demagogue wants to run.

Not even Republican voters want Republican career politicians.
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