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Old 18th August 2020, 07:55 PM   #121
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Which is why it's a problem for a trained social worker or counsellor, not an armed cop.
QTA: Especially not an armed cop trained by Dave Grossman in "Killology".
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Old 18th August 2020, 10:40 PM   #122
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
That’s part of it. Another part is that legalizing drugs won’t make most drug dealers go straight. They will often turn to other forms of crime in order to make a living, because most of them are involved in the drug trade to begin with because they either cannot or do not want to work in the legal labor market. Legalization won’t change that. I can’t say what the net effect of legalization will be, but there are definitely significant costs to doing so.
I'd like to see a peer reviewed paper proving that.
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Old 18th August 2020, 11:40 PM   #123
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
I'd like to see a peer reviewed paper proving that.
Did organized crime vanish when prohibition ended? No. They just moved on to other rackets.

Don't expect anything different here. Again, that doesn't mean there can't be a net positive from legalization, but the net positive won't be as large as some people estimate.
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Old 19th August 2020, 04:21 AM   #124
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Originally Posted by NYTimes
Three Mississippi police officers have been charged with killing a Black man by body-slamming him to the ground and then beating him last year, the authorities said on Friday.

The three officers — Desmond Barney, Lincoln Lampley and Anthony Fox — were indicted this month on charges of second-degree murder in the death of George Robinson, 62, of Jackson, Miss.

The officers, who were all members of the Jackson Police Department at the time, caused Mr. Robinson’s death by pulling him from his car, throwing him headfirst onto the roadway pavement, and then striking and kicking him multiple times in the head and the chest, according to the indictment, issued by a grand jury in Hinds County, Miss. The indictment said the officers’ actions evinced a “depraved heart, regardless of human life.”
Man, what are the odds that 3 of the few bad apples in the police would converge in this one incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/u...ce-murder.html

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“multiple agencies looked into the incident and advised that no criminal conduct occurred.”
Oh ok, nothing to see here I guess.
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Old 19th August 2020, 05:32 AM   #125
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Originally Posted by deadrose View Post
And when it's an autistic kid who's out of control *because* they're being pinned down by some adult, instead of having a chance to regroup and calm themselves, what then? How do you think that's going to work out?
An adult trained in how to handle it and physically capable of taking any punishment from the kid would be able to use a minimum of restraint necessary to protect the safety of both the child and other children.
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Old 19th August 2020, 07:18 AM   #126
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Man, what are the odds that 3 of the few bad apples in the police would converge in this one incident.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/14/u...ce-murder.html



Oh ok, nothing to see here I guess.
He probably had ran a red light, or did so 20 years ago so what were the police meant to do?

They were probably terrified and feared for their lives when he said something to them as they threw him to the ground.

And let's remember they are only there to remove bad people...
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Old 19th August 2020, 07:21 AM   #127
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
They were probably terrified and feared for their lives when he said something to them as they threw him to the ground.
The article suggested that the reason for them to manhandle him was because he got out of the car too slowly. I can imagine the poor dears must have been petrified.

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Old 19th August 2020, 08:27 AM   #128
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For people who might think that cops are better in Europe (or anywhere else in the world for that matter), this video was just leaked of cops in Belgium killing a hand-cuffed and feet-cuffed immigrant man in a cell George Floyd style while making Nazi salutes.
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Old 19th August 2020, 11:42 AM   #129
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Canada is a poor example to cite.
Has anyone seen a get of goalposts? There were here somewhere.....


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High government taxes and onerous regulations
Ah, the libertarian bollocks.

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add so much to the cost that legal cannabis is more expensive than illegally sourced cannabis.
Citations?

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There are also questions about the strength and quality of the legal weed. This has resulted in virtually no reduction in the production or sales of illegal weed.
Citations?
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Old 19th August 2020, 11:43 AM   #130
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But there it has resulted in tons of actual cannabis businesses. There's like a pot shop on every block in Vancouver. They aren't all losing money.
Ah, facts. Expect the hand-waving to begin soon.
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Old 19th August 2020, 11:44 AM   #131
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
If I'm right, there wouldn't be an explosion,. There would just be a shift. And Canada hardly legalized all drugs.

It's almost as if you're spouting straw men.

It's as if you're clutching at strawmen to avoid dealing with reality....
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Old 19th August 2020, 05:08 PM   #132
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Originally Posted by rockinkt View Post
And what if a part of Saturn breaks free and hurdles itself toward earth and hits the school?

Please try to stick to the subject at hand. We were discussing a child who was violent and struck a teacher. Nothing to do with your "what-if".
Oh, pardon me, the child in this instance struck (accidentally) the school psychologist, the supposedly-trained individual that was pinning them down. The psychologist then called the police.

It's been used as an example of what NOT to do by local autism agencies.
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Old 19th August 2020, 05:16 PM   #133
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Man, what are the odds that 3 of the few bad apples in the police would converge in this one incident...
It strikes me that "a few bad apples" is exactly what they said about Abu Ghraib.
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Old 19th August 2020, 11:13 PM   #134
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Originally Posted by Myriad View Post
While we're looking up words, check out what "hogtie" actually means. I honestly thought your earlier post was sarcasm, because you said to "gently and safely hogtie" misbehaving kids. I suppose if that doesn't correct the issue, a mild flogging, then a moderate beheading, would be called for.
Nope - I said violent kids. Nice try.
I know exactly what hogtie means.
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Old 20th August 2020, 03:53 AM   #135
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Oh, pardon me, the child in this instance struck (accidentally) the school psychologist, the supposedly-trained individual that was pinning them down. The psychologist then called the police.
Not by the article, it seems that the police were already there

"Police moved to arrest the boy after he allegedly hit a teacher, who was uninjured, according to a Key West Police report. Crump identified the teacher as a substitute.
The teacher was supervising a class in the lunch room and said that the student was not sitting properly on the bench seat, the report states. She asked him to sit properly several times, and then she asked him to sit by her, the report states. He refused, and she got up and walked over to him, according to the police report.
She told police that the student told her "don't put your hands on me" as she approached him. The student allegedly began to curse at her, told her "my mom is going to beat your ass," and then punched her in the chest with his right hand, the teacher said, according to the police report.
An officer observed the boy's hands clenched into fists and "he was postured as if he was ready to fight," the police report states."

Also a substitute not a psycologist.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/us/8-...rnd/index.html
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Old 20th August 2020, 08:33 PM   #136
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Ponderingturtle, I was talking about a separate incident http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=114
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Old 22nd August 2020, 06:08 PM   #137
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Cop can't control his police dog. Police dog approaches fence, attracting attention of civilian dog inside its own yard. What to do, what to do? Why shoot the civilian dog, of course!
Note: Video is unpleasant to watch.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 06:17 PM   #138
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Cop can't control his police dog. Police dog approaches fence, attracting attention of civilian dog inside its own yard. What to do, what to do? Why shoot the civilian dog, of course!
Note: Video is unpleasant to watch.
I trust the other witnessing officers immediately arrested their criminal peer, or at least otherwise filed an official complaint? They wouldn't turn their backs on the obvious brutal crime committed by another cop, right?

This is what's meant by ACAB. Cops aren't willing to police their own.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 06:58 PM   #139
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Cop can't control his police dog. Police dog approaches fence, attracting attention of civilian dog inside its own yard. What to do, what to do? Why shoot the civilian dog, of course!
Note: Video is unpleasant to watch.
When you watch the live police shows on tv such as Live PD, P D Cam, etc. it is very clear that most canine handlers have very limited control of their dogs. Dogs are frequently seen straining at their leads only restrained by the brute strength of their handlers. When a dog in unleashed and successfully catches a subject the dogs are uniformly reluctant to let go of the suspect and are again only removed by force by the handler. The dogs do not respond well to audible commands. This behaviour is enforced by rewarding the dog when they are finally under control again. A police dog off leash is a hazard and a danger to the public.

And no, I do not believe that such behaviour is necessary or desirable in a dog doing that kind of work. A dog can be trained to properly follow commands while still being effective at its work. It can be trained such that a simple NO! or equivalent verbal command from its handler will override any other other training it has received.
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