Who will Biden choose as running mate? - Page 13

kookbreaker · 14th August 2020, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by Mumbles

I remember when Oprah Winfrey went on Prof. Gates' ancestry program - it was a shock when they didn't find any white ancestry in her analysis (and this includes an examination of birth records and of census records, not just genetic analysis). But yeah, D'Souza (who previously wrote The American slave was treated like property, which is to say, pretty well") only managed to piss black Americans off, and of course Dolt 45's muppet reject son leapt right to it.

I'm sure there's plenty of cases like Oprah's, where its simply a matter of ancestors being enslaved by slavemasters who just didn't go in for that sort of thing. Which only means they weren't rapists in addition to being slaveowners.

But I swear, it seems like the Trumpkins have misrepresented any internal conflicts among blacks (i.e. light-skinned vs dark-skinned,"black-ish", and similar things) to be the mirror image equivalent of the 'one-drop rule' and figured they could exploit it. How more off base could you get?

JoeMorgue · 14th August 2020, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Harris takes no prisoners:

"He [Trump] inherited the longest economic expansion in history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground."

(from her event yesterday with Biden)

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Kamala Harris has already delivered my favorite line of this campaign

"Donald Trump inherited the longest economic expansion in American history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden then, like everything else he inherited he ran it straight into the ground."

Alright let's not start turning her into another Pelosi where we all cream ourselves everytime she hits Trump with a "zinger."

None of this matters if when push comes to shove she can't stop him from doing anything.

We need effective political action, not "wicked, sick burns."

crescent · 14th August 2020, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by kookbreaker

I'm sure there's plenty of cases like Oprah's, where its simply a matter of ancestors being enslaved by slavemasters who just didn't go in for that sort of thing. Which only means they weren't rapists in addition to being slaveowners.

From what I have seen of those ancestry shows, most African-Americans can only trace their ancestry back to whoever was alive at the end of the Civil War. The records from who preceded that mostly don't seem to exist anymore, perhaps such records just were not kept, or maybe they were destroyed.

So in the case of one like Oprah, the ancestor might be there, but there just might not be any record of it.

Trebuchet · 14th August 2020, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

For a torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon.....

You left out "adulterer".

JoeMorgue · 14th August 2020, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

For a ~~torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon~~ republican

"Omit needless words" - Strunk and White

Dr. Keith · 14th August 2020, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by catsmate

For a torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon.....

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

You left out "adulterer".

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

"Omit needless words" - Strunk and White

Catsmate: I liked your post and thought your wording was perfectly fine. Don't let these guys get you down.

Captain_Swoop · 15th August 2020, 07:11 PM

James Woods Tweeted

James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris

Mumbles · 15th August 2020, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

From what I have seen of those ancestry shows, most African-Americans can only trace their ancestry back to whoever was alive at the end of the Civil War. The records from who preceded that mostly don't seem to exist anymore, perhaps such records just were not kept, or maybe they were destroyed.

So in the case of one like Oprah, the ancestor might be there, but there just might not be any record of it.

But, again, there's also the DNA analysis, which also shows no European ancestry. This is simply not the case for the average black American.

Belz... · 16th August 2020, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

James Woods Tweeted

James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris

Wow, there are underlying issues there.

ETA: Just read some of his tweets and the replies to it. That's a world of crazy right there. How can human beings think that way? The hell's wrong with these people's brains?

The Don · 16th August 2020, 02:35 AM

40-odd percent of people are willing to think that way

Firestone · 16th August 2020, 03:11 AM

Anecdote from Belgian media:

In October 2017, Howard Gutman, former US ambassador to Belgium, told on Belgian state TV that the 2020 Democratic ticket will be Biden-Harris or Biden-Obama (meaning Michelle), and bought the thus named domain names.

https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/08...an-voorspelde/

(Embedded video in English)

ETA: apparently buying these kind of domain names is a hobby of his. Facebook post from Howard Gutman on 12/Aug/2020:

"In case anyone is interested . . . for 2024 I am now the proud owner of www.Harris-Cuomo.com and www.Harris-Warner.com to reserve to donate to the Dems. I am also the owner now of www.Haley-Pompeo.com and www.Pompeo-Haley.com, although those may well cost the ultimate buyer . . ."

smartcooky · 16th August 2020, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Belz...

Wow, there are underlying issues there.

ETA: Just read some of his tweets and the replies to it. That's a world of crazy right there. How can human beings think that way? The hell's wrong with these people's brains?

James Woods is a douchebag, who appropriately, has been somewhat typecast in douchebag roles for most of his acting career.

Life really does imitate art!

Squeegee Beckenheim · 16th August 2020, 04:15 AM

The latest episode of the Opening Arguments podcast does a deep dive into Harris' voting and prosecutorial records (as well as what her campaign promises were while she was making her bid for president) from her entire career. It's very revealing, and I'd definitely recommend it for anybody who is interested in understanding what kind of a person Biden has chosen as running mate.

The TL/DR version is that her record in the Senate is to the left of Bernie Sanders (although only by a teeny amount), and that many (although not all) of her decisions as prosecutor also speak to her being very progressive. The latter is also often misrepresented.

thaiboxerken · 17th August 2020, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

James Woods Tweeted

James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris

Trumpanzees think that actors should just STFU and do their jobs. Except for James Woods, for some reason....

Stacyhs · 17th August 2020, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
James Woods Tweeted

Quote:

James Woods
@RealJamesWoods
~~Gun~~ P**** grabber, back stabber, race baiter, ~~white~~ immigrant hater, ~~knee dropper~~ boob grabber, flip-flopper. #PhonyDonaldTrump

Fixed that for ya, James.

Trebuchet · 17th August 2020, 02:15 PM

Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho.

Bob001 · 17th August 2020, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho.

And Republicans, including her fellow U.S. senators, are silent.

Stacyhs · 17th August 2020, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

And Republicans, including her fellow U.S. senators, are silent.

I've never seen such a bunch of cowards as this crop of GOP senators.

Belz... · 18th August 2020, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho.

The party of family values!

The Don · 18th August 2020, 02:36 AM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho.

I suppose it could be considered sophomoric humour aimed at his core audience of "hur-hur" right wingers with little education.

Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro were dubbed "Fritz and Tits". I had hoped that the right might have moved on from lazy sexist nicknames but then again why should I do so ?

Trebuchet · 22nd August 2020, 06:24 PM

I'm late to the party as usual, but apparently it's rumored that Trump will replace Pence with Nikki Haley for VP.
Unlikely in the extreme, but it would be awesome to see the spin from the Harris Birthers if it happened!

Elizabeth Warren	3	6.25%
Gretchen Whitmer	0	0%
Kamala Harris	23	47.92%
Karen Bass	3	6.25%
Keisha Lance Bottoms	2	4.17%
Michelle Lujan Grisham	1	2.08%
Stacey Abrams	0	0%
Susan Rice	5	10.42%
Tammy Duckworth	5	10.42%
Val Demings	1	2.08%
Another US Senator	0	0%
Another Governor	0	0%
Someone else	1	2.08%
On Planet X, Mike Pence will be VEEP Forever	4	8.33%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

14th August 2020, 09:12 AM	#481
kookbreaker Evil Fokker Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 13,264	Originally Posted by Mumbles I remember when Oprah Winfrey went on Prof. Gates' ancestry program - it was a shock when they didn't find any white ancestry in her analysis (and this includes an examination of birth records and of census records, not just genetic analysis). But yeah, D'Souza (who previously wrote The American slave was treated like property, which is to say, pretty well") only managed to piss black Americans off, and of course Dolt 45's muppet reject son leapt right to it. I'm sure there's plenty of cases like Oprah's, where its simply a matter of ancestors being enslaved by slavemasters who just didn't go in for that sort of thing. Which only means they weren't rapists in addition to being slaveowners. But I swear, it seems like the Trumpkins have misrepresented any internal conflicts among blacks (i.e. light-skinned vs dark-skinned,"black-ish", and similar things) to be the mirror image equivalent of the 'one-drop rule' and figured they could exploit it. How more off base could you get?
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14th August 2020, 09:15 AM	#482
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Firestone Harris takes no prisoners: "He [Trump] inherited the longest economic expansion in history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden. And then, like everything else he inherited, he ran it straight into the ground." (from her event yesterday with Biden) Originally Posted by acbytesla Kamala Harris has already delivered my favorite line of this campaign "Donald Trump inherited the longest economic expansion in American history from Barack Obama and Joe Biden then, like everything else he inherited he ran it straight into the ground." Alright let's not start turning her into another Pelosi where we all cream ourselves everytime she hits Trump with a "zinger." None of this matters if when push comes to shove she can't stop him from doing anything. We need effective political action, not "wicked, sick burns."
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14th August 2020, 09:59 AM	#484
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,354	Originally Posted by catsmate For a torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon..... You left out "adulterer".
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14th August 2020, 10:01 AM	#485
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by catsmate For a ~~torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon~~ republican "Omit needless words" - Strunk and White
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14th August 2020, 09:51 AM	#483
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,031	Originally Posted by kookbreaker I'm sure there's plenty of cases like Oprah's, where its simply a matter of ancestors being enslaved by slavemasters who just didn't go in for that sort of thing. Which only means they weren't rapists in addition to being slaveowners. From what I have seen of those ancestry shows, most African-Americans can only trace their ancestry back to whoever was alive at the end of the Civil War. The records from who preceded that mostly don't seem to exist anymore, perhaps such records just were not kept, or maybe they were destroyed. So in the case of one like Oprah, the ancestor might be there, but there just might not be any record of it.

14th August 2020, 10:14 AM	#486
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 22,978	Originally Posted by catsmate For a torture apologist, climate change denier, homophobe, thief, liar, birther, hypocrite and convicted felon..... Originally Posted by Trebuchet You left out "adulterer". Originally Posted by JoeMorgue "Omit needless words" - Strunk and White Catsmate: I liked your post and thought your wording was perfectly fine. Don't let these guys get you down.
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15th August 2020, 07:11 PM	#487
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Pither 12/20 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,858	James Woods Tweeted James Woods @RealJamesWoods Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris

15th August 2020, 10:56 PM	#488
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,524	Originally Posted by crescent From what I have seen of those ancestry shows, most African-Americans can only trace their ancestry back to whoever was alive at the end of the Civil War. The records from who preceded that mostly don't seem to exist anymore, perhaps such records just were not kept, or maybe they were destroyed. So in the case of one like Oprah, the ancestor might be there, but there just might not be any record of it. But, again, there's also the DNA analysis, which also shows no European ancestry. This is simply not the case for the average black American.
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16th August 2020, 02:23 AM	#489
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,374	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop James Woods Tweeted James Woods @RealJamesWoods Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris Wow, there are underlying issues there. ETA: Just read some of his tweets and the replies to it. That's a world of crazy right there. How can human beings think that way? The hell's wrong with these people's brains?
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16th August 2020, 02:35 AM	#490
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,670	40-odd percent of people are willing to think that way

16th August 2020, 03:11 AM	#491
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,998	Anecdote from Belgian media: In October 2017, Howard Gutman, former US ambassador to Belgium, told on Belgian state TV that the 2020 Democratic ticket will be Biden-Harris or Biden-Obama (meaning Michelle), and bought the thus named domain names. https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2020/08...an-voorspelde/ (Embedded video in English) ETA: apparently buying these kind of domain names is a hobby of his. Facebook post from Howard Gutman on 12/Aug/2020: "In case anyone is interested . . . for 2024 I am now the proud owner of www.Harris-Cuomo.com and www.Harris-Warner.com to reserve to donate to the Dems. I am also the owner now of www.Haley-Pompeo.com and www.Pompeo-Haley.com, although those may well cost the ultimate buyer . . ."
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16th August 2020, 03:49 AM	#492
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 17,267	Originally Posted by Belz... Wow, there are underlying issues there. ETA: Just read some of his tweets and the replies to it. That's a world of crazy right there. How can human beings think that way? The hell's wrong with these people's brains? James Woods is a douchebag, who appropriately, has been somewhat typecast in douchebag roles for most of his acting career. Life really does imitate art!
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16th August 2020, 04:15 AM	#493
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,460	The latest episode of the Opening Arguments podcast does a deep dive into Harris' voting and prosecutorial records (as well as what her campaign promises were while she was making her bid for president) from her entire career. It's very revealing, and I'd definitely recommend it for anybody who is interested in understanding what kind of a person Biden has chosen as running mate. The TL/DR version is that her record in the Senate is to the left of Bernie Sanders (although only by a teeny amount), and that many (although not all) of her decisions as prosecutor also speak to her being very progressive. The latter is also often misrepresented.
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17th August 2020, 12:10 AM	#494
thaiboxerken Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 31,717	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop James Woods Tweeted James Woods @RealJamesWoods Gun grabber, back stabber, race baiter, white hater, knee dropper, flip-flopper. #PhonyKamalaHarris Trumpanzees think that actors should just STFU and do their jobs. Except for James Woods, for some reason....
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17th August 2020, 01:41 AM	#495
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,249	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post James Woods Tweeted Quote: James Woods @RealJamesWoods ~~Gun~~ P**** grabber, back stabber, race baiter, ~~white~~ immigrant hater, ~~knee dropper~~ boob grabber, flip-flopper. #PhonyDonaldTrump Fixed that for ya, James.

17th August 2020, 02:15 PM	#496
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,354	Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho.
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17th August 2020, 02:25 PM	#497
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,091	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho. And Republicans, including her fellow U.S. senators, are silent.

17th August 2020, 11:15 PM	#498
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,249	Originally Posted by Bob001 And Republicans, including her fellow U.S. senators, are silent. I've never seen such a bunch of cowards as this crop of GOP senators.

18th August 2020, 02:27 AM	#499
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,374	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho. The party of family values!
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18th August 2020, 02:36 AM	#500
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,670	Originally Posted by Trebuchet Rush Limbaugh calls Kamala Harris a Ho. I suppose it could be considered sophomoric humour aimed at his core audience of "hur-hur" right wingers with little education. Walter Mondale and Geraldine Ferraro were dubbed "Fritz and Tits". I had hoped that the right might have moved on from lazy sexist nicknames but then again why should I do so ?

22nd August 2020, 06:24 PM	#501
Trebuchet Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Port Townsend, Washington Posts: 31,354	I'm late to the party as usual, but apparently it's rumored that Trump will replace Pence with Nikki Haley for VP. Unlikely in the extreme, but it would be awesome to see the spin from the Harris Birthers if it happened!
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