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Tags 2020 elections , Elizabeth Warren , Kamala Harris , Karen Bass , political speculation , vice presidential choices

View Poll Results: Who will Biden choose as running mate?
Elizabeth Warren 3 6.25%
Gretchen Whitmer 0 0%
Kamala Harris 23 47.92%
Karen Bass 3 6.25%
Keisha Lance Bottoms 2 4.17%
Michelle Lujan Grisham 1 2.08%
Stacey Abrams 0 0%
Susan Rice 5 10.42%
Tammy Duckworth 5 10.42%
Val Demings 1 2.08%
Another US Senator 0 0%
Another Governor 0 0%
Someone else 1 2.08%
On Planet X, Mike Pence will be VEEP Forever 4 8.33%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11th August 2020, 01:49 PM   #201
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Slight digression: I think the picture of Biden on his web site is flopped, that is, reversed. He usually wears his flag pin on his left side, and it looks like the star field is on the wrong side.
https://joebiden.com/#
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=biden+flag...2FRTS2JYD4.jpg

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Old 11th August 2020, 01:50 PM   #202
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Lincoln Project: 'Kamela'
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Old 11th August 2020, 01:52 PM   #203
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I'm curious, what happens if Biden gives up the ghost before election day? Do people just keep voting the same Biden/Harris ticket, and VP Harris gets the bump on inauguration day? Or does she become the candidate and select a VP to run with her?
No, the Dems would have to nominate a new ticket. Biden would be ineligible to run, from what I understand, and votes for him would be nullified. Maybe. It's never happened before. Came close, Horace Greeley kicked it between the general and EC votes, but he lost the general vote so the question was never tested.

Where it would get interesting is after the election, or after the EC vote and before the swearing in. Harris would then get the gig. That's either the 20th or 25th amendment. She then nominates a VP to get certified by the House. Once she becomes the VP-elect, it's official. The only problem is, the term VP-Elect, while used in the constitution, is not defined.

Of course, some of these rules were written when the VP was it's own race and not a single ticket item. So who knows. But it Biden punches out before the vote, I'm sure the Dems would have an alternate ready to go.
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Lincoln Project: 'Kamela'
I am so used to see their ads being anti-trump/anti-republican attacks that it seems almost weird to see a positive pro-Democrat ad. (Not that I am complaining... Their stuff usually seems to be good )

Eta: I wonder if they threw that together at the last minute or if they had multiple ads (one for each possible VP pick) ready just in case.
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Old 11th August 2020, 02:08 PM   #205
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Sound choice. Good.
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I wonder how many versions for different possibles they actually prepared.
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Bad examples.

1. Palmer Raids were against non-citizens who were deported, not law abiding American citizens.
Shifting the goalposts. The criteria was peaceful protesters.
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That link leads to Obama's final Correspondents' Association speech. How far we've fallen.
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Harris, wow I made a correct guess. Think I'll start playing options.....well maybe not
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Originally Posted by Segnosaur View Post
I am so used to see their ads being anti-trump/anti-republican attacks that it seems almost weird to see a positive pro-Democrat ad. (Not that I am complaining... Their stuff usually seems to be good )

Eta: I wonder if they threw that together at the last minute or if they had multiple ads (one for each possible VP pick) ready just in case.
Probably pre-prepared a few of the more likely ones, the same way as I have no doubt there are people on this board preprepped to explain why it's a bad pick regardless of who Biden chose.
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A reasonable choice but not my fav pick.
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A reasonable choice but not my fav pick.
Not mine either.. but I get it. Traditionally, the Presidential candidate tries to stay above the fray and the VP candidate is the attack dog. Kamala Harris is probably best suited for that role.
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Not mine either.. but I get it. Traditionally, the Presidential candidate tries to stay above the fray and the VP candidate is the attack dog. Kamala Harris is probably best suited for that role.
VP choice is not hugely important as regards the election. You can basically only screw it up or be safe and meh. So I really do like this safe, non-exciting choice. So far Biden has played this election pretty perfectly. You can't compete with the Clown in Chief for the daily news cycles this early and neither you should when the idiot is digging deeper and deeper.
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I am so used to see their ads being anti-trump/anti-republican attacks that it seems almost weird to see a positive pro-Democrat ad. (Not that I am complaining... Their stuff usually seems to be good )

Eta: I wonder if they threw that together at the last minute or if they had multiple ads (one for each possible VP pick) ready just in case.
That can't be thrown together that quickly. They have at least five of those ready to go. One day I think it would be interesting to see what the others looked like.
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Who knew Trump opponents were anti-immigrant? Learn something new every day.
You might want to learn the difference between stating a fact that they were immigrants and being anti-immigrant. But nice try.


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But you're rather missing the point. Yes, they were immigrants. But they weren't illegal immigrants. They were not targeted because they were immigrants, that just made deportation possible. They were targeted because of their political opinions.
You missed varwoche's point which was "And yet, no past president unleashed goons to attack peaceful protesters," to which you linked to the Palmer raids. Those weren't protesters; those were immigrant political anarchists and immigrant communist labor actvists. They weren't protesting. Do try and get your facts straight.


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How you think the Sedition Act of 1918 has anything to do with the above is a mystery. The whistleblower was not committing sedition. Whistleblowers are protected by law and you damn well know it.

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Shifting the goalposts. The criteria was peaceful protesters.
Yep. I'm not the one who shifted them.
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Trump just said that Harris is a person who has told many lies.



ETA: The Idiot in Chief just mispronounced Kamala "Ka MAH la". He also used "Pocahontas" and "Sleepy Joe" in the same answer. What a putz.

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Dammit. I was just ready to vote in the poll.
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I wonder if the pick of Kamala is telegraphing to Trump that Biden will not be pardoning Trump of all the crimes.
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And the slamming of Harris by Trump begins.
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It was the smart, sensible pick, but even there, Team Biden flubbed it. According to the WAPO, they were dismayed to find that every woman they looked at had flaws, and regretted making the promise that the VP would be a woman. That's pretty wince-worthy; maybe their binders weren't full of enough women?

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What a mess! With the deadline to select a vice president approaching, the members of Team Biden wish someone had told them before this all started that every high-profile woman …
ETA: Well, that's what I get for not clicking through to the clickbait. Apparently this was written as a humor column, and does not reflect the real thinking of Team Biden, but the "thinking" of the columnist. My bad.
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I wonder if the pick of Kamala is telegraphing to Trump that Biden will not be pardoning Trump of all the crimes.
I don't think so. I think Trump will pardon himself. Or maybe resign before the inauguration and have Pence do it like Jerry Ford did as an end round to the questionable legality to pardoning himself.
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It was the smart, sensible pick, but even there, Team Biden flubbed it. According to the WAPO, they were dismayed to find that every woman they looked at had flaws, and regretted making the promise that the VP would be a woman. That's pretty wince-worthy; maybe their binders weren't full of enough women?
Nonsense. Every single person has flaws. Harris is a good choice.
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Kamala Harris is a no-nonsense woman with an excellent grasp of politics and the law, and an outstanding speaker. It Trump dares to get on the stage with her, she'll wipe the floor with him!
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Kamala Harris is a no-nonsense woman with an excellent grasp of political and that, and an outstanding speaker. It Trump dares to get on the stage with her, she'll wipe the floor with him!
He won't, it'll be Pence has to do that. If there are debates at all.
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He won't, it'll be Pence has to do that. If there are debates at all.

Mike "Statue" Pence... I almost feel sorry for him
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Kamala Harris.

Well, we'll see. I'm not impressed by her, but she held her own in the debates as a candidate.

I do worry that it will be seen as a "gimmick" pick, going for a black woman, but my guess is that anyone whose vote will be influenced by that probably wouldn't vote for Biden anyway.

ETA: She has won a very big, very prominent, election, for Senator from California. That's a huge plus.

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I bet Willie Brown and The Nation are all ate up over this pick.
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Kamala Harris.

Well, we'll see. I'm not impressed by her, but she held her own in the debates as a candidate.

I do worry that it will be seen as a "gimmick" pick, going for a black woman, but my guess is that anyone whose vote will be influenced by that probably wouldn't vote for Biden anyway.
Nah. She's a pit bull terrier. She's, smart, she's articulate and most important a fighter. She's a hard one for Republicans to go after. She was a no nonsense prosecuting attorney who can hardly be portrayed as soft on crime or as some kind of token.
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I bet Willie Brown and The Nation are all ate up over this pick.
You keep saying The Nation as opposed to the author of an op-ed. One is not the other no matter how many times you make that reference.
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Kamala Harris.
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ETA: She has won a very big, very prominent, election, for Senator from California. That's a huge plus.
Also elected and re-elected as California Attorney General, another high-profile, high responsibility position.
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Nah. She's a pit bull terrier. She's, smart, she's articulate and most important a fighter. She's a hard one for Republicans to go after. She was a no nonsense prosecuting attorney who can hardly be portrayed as soft on crime or as some kind of token.
Careful there, next you will be calling her "clean cut" for the racism trifecta.
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It was the smart, sensible pick, but even there, Team Biden flubbed it. According to the WAPO, they were dismayed to find that every woman they looked at had flaws, and regretted making the promise that the VP would be a woman. That's pretty wince-worthy; maybe their binders weren't full of enough women?
Yeah imagine that, every human having flaws!
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I bet Willie Brown and The Nation are all ate up over this pick.
Huh. And here I was, thinking you had conceded that.
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Nonsense. Every single person has flaws. Harris is a good choice.
I said she was the safe, smart choice. But think about how tone-deaf it is for Team Biden to be letting out how dismayed they were the flaws they found. They're implying that there would have been men who would have sailed through without any problems.



It does reflect how far we've come that a half-Black, half-Indian woman is the safe and sensible pick.

ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor.
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You keep saying The Nation as opposed to the author of an op-ed. One is not the other no matter how many times you make that reference.
I know. At this point I'm just doing it for fun. Thanks for noticing!

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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Huh. And here I was, thinking you had conceded that.
Nope! You're thinking of Elon Musk's achievements.
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Well, the Breaking News of the day is that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate.

The news of the next four days (and nothing else) is going to be that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate. And every possible permutation that entails.
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