Who will Biden choose as running mate? - Page 7

Meadmaker · 11th August 2020, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Distracted1

Careful there, next you will be calling her "clean cut" for the racism trifecta.

Biden called Obama "clean", not "clean cut".

What he meant was that he had a clean record. No huge negatives, but that didn't stop people from distorting it into some sort of racist remark.

Such is politics, though.

Stacyhs · 11th August 2020, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by smartcooky

Mike "Statue" Pence... I almost feel sorry for him

Don't worry. God will be speaking through him.

Meadmaker · 11th August 2020, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by alfaniner

Well, the Breaking News of the day is that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate.

The news of the next four days (and nothing else) is going to be that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate. And every possible permutation that entails.

Let the mudslinging begin.....but save your very best ammo for October.

Belz... · 11th August 2020, 04:17 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Nope! You're thinking of Elon Musk's achievements.

Sure thing, man.

Originally Posted by theprestige

It was not my contention that the Nation endorsed this view. My wording was misleading.

Elagabalus · 11th August 2020, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Kamala Harris.

Well, we'll see. I'm not impressed by her ...

Says the guy who told all and sundry not to vote for Elizabeth Warren but ended up voting for her in the primary.

**SHRUGS** Eh, you wanted mud.

Puppycow · 11th August 2020, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

I think he'll choose Elizabeth Warren. She seems pretty popular with Democrats, though so is Kamala Harris. But he's pretty conservative so he'll choose someone white.

So much for that thought.

Bob001 · 11th August 2020, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

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ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor.

The writer is the Post's humor columnist. After listing the sterling qualities of Aaron Burr, John C. Calhoun, Andrew Jackson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and other male politicians, she laments:

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The more you think about the people who have occupied this office before, the more frustrating it becomes that literally no woman in contention partakes of any of their team-player, self-effacing, non-threatening, apologetic qualities. I don’t know what Team Biden is going to do.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ing-female-vp/

rdaneel · 11th August 2020, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Trebuchet

He won't, it'll be Pence has to do that. If there are debates at all.

I wonder if he'll need permission from his wife to be on the same stage as a woman.

theprestige · 11th August 2020, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

There's no hurry. I'd wait till the last possible day to announce.

Originally Posted by theprestige

That makes so much sense that one would be a fool not to ask why he keeps saying he'll do it sooner.

Originally Posted by acbytesla

That's called the tease. Trump does that all the time. Keep them hanging....keep it in the news.

Funny how this ended up playing out.

Puppycow · 11th August 2020, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I doubt it's illegal. I think it is an interesting case of affirmative action and hiring quotas in action. Tucker Carlson is an ass. But Biden is giving us some insight into what he thinks the real issues are, and what he thinks a good solution is.

I don't give a flying about Carlson's questions. My questions are:

If he picks a black woman for VP, is it because of her race and gender?

Does that mean her race and gender are what make her the best person for the job?

If so, then what exactly is the job? What exactly is the VP's job, anyway? How much do the two jobs actually overlap?

And what if he doesn't end up picking a black woman? Then what? Why did he say he would earlier? What problem was he trying to solve earlier? Why does he think it no longer needs to be solved?

Hypothesis: What he said earlier was a gambit to win votes for his nomination as the party's candidate. Now that his nomination is effectively guaranteed, he's free from that commitment and can consider other factors when trying to win the general election.

In the past, a veep pick might be selected because they are from a certain electorally important swing state that the candidate hopes to carry. Does that mean that being from a particular state is what made that white man the best person for the job? Was is always a pure meritocratic choice, or did political considerations play a role?

Yes, I imagine race and gender were both among the factors that weighed in the decision, but not the only factors. But it has always been about which choice can best help me win this election, not which choice has the best qualifications for the job.

crescent · 11th August 2020, 05:14 PM

CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort:

Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him).

Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here).

Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled).

Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry).

Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word.

(Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated.

I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

acbytesla · 11th August 2020, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Funny how this ended up playing out.

A little.

It was getting close. I tend to think that waiting helps because it gives the GOP less time to target the VP. But I also believe you can overthink these things. If Trump proved anything it's that all the minutiae that people think matters, don't really. It is one thing I give him credit for.

Meadmaker · 11th August 2020, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort:

Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him).

Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here).

Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled).

Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry).

Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word.

(Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated.

I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

Reading stuff like this, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry.

So, what ancestry do they think Jamaicans are?

Travis · 11th August 2020, 05:42 PM

TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY!

MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK!

i'm sort of excited....

Meadmaker · 11th August 2020, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by Elagabalus

Says the guy who told all and sundry not to vote for Elizabeth Warren but ended up voting for her in the primary.

**SHRUGS** Eh, you wanted mud.

Did I vote for Elizabeth Warren? i don't remember. (Honestly. That was one pandemic ago. It seems like a distant era.) I think I must have. Either her or Amy Klobuchar....or maybe Amy dropped out just before the primary. I know I didn't vote for Bernie. I remember that much.

To be honest, I know very little about Kamala Harris. Generally liberal. Black. (I learned in acbytesla's post about the Indian connection) Senator from California. My first exposure to her was in the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, and I wasn't impressed.

I saw today Trump brought that up about her. That makes me nervous, but I don't know how much the voters will care. Of course, the Democratic base won't care, and the Republican base will make it out as the most awful thing ever, but how does that small minority of swing voters think of her? Or what will they think of her when the mud starts to fly? Beats me. I'm voting for her because she is the running mate of the guy who isn't Trump.

Armitage72 · 11th August 2020, 05:54 PM

Fox News headline on YouTube:
Tucker: There are timeshare sellers more trustworthy than Kamala Harris

They're not wasting any time.

Meadmaker · 11th August 2020, 05:58 PM

Here is the contents of a tweet from the Trump campaign

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"Not long ago, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist and asked for an apology she never received. Clearly, Phony Kamala will abandon her own morals, as well as try to bury her record as a prosecutor, in order to appease the anti-police extremists controlling the Democrat Party. In her failed attempt at running for president, Kamala Harris gleefully embraced the left’s radical manifesto, calling for trillions of dollars in new taxes and backing Bernie Sanders’ government takeover of healthcare. She is proof that Joe Biden is an empty shell being filled with the extreme agenda of the radicals on the left.

“Joe Biden is no moderate, and with Harris as his ‘political living will,’ he is surrendering control of our nation to the radical mob with promises to raise taxes, cut police funding, kill energy jobs, open our borders, and appease socialist dictators. At the ballot box, Americans will resoundingly reject the abysmal failures of Biden-Harris in favor of the America First strength of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence."

These people are truly awful. Name calling. "Political living will". It's embarrassing.

I just hope it doesn't work.

Puppycow · 11th August 2020, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word.

(Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.)

Wow. Now that's just stupid. I can't even

dmaker · 11th August 2020, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY!

MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK!

i'm sort of excited....

Same here. I like Kamala. When she was pressing Barr about ever being asked to investigate a political rival, I thought she came across as smart and someone who doesn't suffer fools.

Mumbles · 11th August 2020, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

Yeah yeah...we saw all that coming. I'm sure the media hasn't learned it's lesson from giggling about Dolt 45's white supremacist "Show Me Your Teeth" birther crap, so they'll push it at some point. And we've already figured out that the whole "Kamala's not one of us" ADOS crap was started by a Cheeto Benito fan, and most media outlets won't touch that one.

Very good choice. Young, mixed Jamaican and Indian, devoted family (remember when that pseudo-hippie grabbed the mike from her and started talking about...something? You can literally see her husband rush the stage in the audience below), a goos record as prosecutor (apart from possibly bankers - most of what's said about her focusing on weed or jailing parents for minor delinquency crimes are nonsense), a brutal debater (she was a prosecutor after all - she clowned the likes of Barr and Kavanaugh), solid chops on many key issues. Are there others I'd have also liked? Absolutely. Will it satisfy the Bernie Bros? Who cares, they always marginalize themselves anyway.

But I'm enjoying my twitter feed, especially, of course, Not Captain America.

Belz... · 11th August 2020, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by Travis

TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY!

MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK!

i'm sort of excited....

She might even end up President.

crescent · 11th August 2020, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Reading stuff like this, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry.

So, what ancestry do they think Jamaicans are?

IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed:

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Her dad is Jamaican and her mother is India, but she identifies as African American. Shoot I identify as .... but it does not make it so. Fake news again. Can not trust the media people.

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one minute she is black, the next East Indian, the next Native American

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so what is she ? Asian , or black, everyone is so confused. Her mom is Indian, her dad Jamaican of mixed heritage.
Why is race so important vs qualifications?

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Kamala Harris swore into congress as an “Indian-American”, now plays the “I’m a black a woman” card much like Elizabeth Warren.

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Pretty sure she said she was indian-american a while back. Do libs get to flip flop what race they are? Seems like they do that alot to get what they want.

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How is she Black but Indian?

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I thought she was Indian ???

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huh? She’s clearly a Black women. And who says “ Indian” anymore. 🤔🤔

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Neither one of her parents were American citizens until 5 years after she was born. That would exempt her from running as vice president...or so I thought..
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'The individual must have been born in the United States or born to a parent who is a citizen of the United States; The individual must be 35 years of age or older; The individual must have been a resident ADVERTISEMENT in the United States'

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Dems did this intentionally. When Biden slips Kamala won't be eligible for president. So that leaves nasty PELOSI to run the country 🤪🤪🤪

Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode.

theprestige · 11th August 2020, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

She might even end up President.

I guess it depends on how clearly swing voters are thinking, on the Dem side. They didn't like her for the nomination itself. If the logic here is that she'll be the president anyway, they might as well stay home. On the other hand, if the logic is that Biden is too old to be president, and they nominated him anyway, then they're clearly not thinking clearly anyway, are they?

Mumbles · 11th August 2020, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

Here is the contents of a tweet from the Trump campaign

These people are truly awful. Name calling. "Political living will". It's embarrassing.

I just hope it doesn't work.

We can stop at "Not long ago, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist". She literally said the opposite. You may as well attack Warren for her love of Wall Street Banking.

Orphia Nay · 11th August 2020, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

So much for that thought.

Yep.

Happy to be wrong there.

I voted for who I thought he'll pick, not who I'd want him to pick.

Looks like I should have thought more charitably towards Biden.

theprestige · 11th August 2020, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed:

Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode.

Statistically speaking, I don't think it matters much at all.

Belz... · 11th August 2020, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I guess it depends on how clearly swing voters are thinking, on the Dem side. They didn't like her for the nomination itself. If the logic here is that she'll be the president anyway, they might as well stay home. On the other hand, if the logic is that Biden is too old to be president, and they nominated him anyway, then they're clearly not thinking clearly anyway, are they?

I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected.

Besides, didn't she run out of money?

theprestige · 11th August 2020, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected.

Besides, didn't she run out of money?

Anyone who nominated Biden on the assumption that he would die in office, and they were actually nominating his VP sight unseen, is an idiot. In my opinion.

Regnad Kcin · 11th August 2020, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Brainster

I said she was the safe, smart choice. But think about how tone-deaf it is for ~~Team Biden to be letting out how dismayed they were the flaws they found~~. They're implying that there would have been men who would have sailed through without any problems.

It does reflect how far we've come that a half-Black, half-Indian woman is the safe and sensible pick.

ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor.

Actually, Alexandra Petri is a humorist of rare skills. Top tier. A female Cain.

acbytesla · 11th August 2020, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Anyone who nominated Biden on the assumption that he would die in office, and they were actually nominating his VP sight unseen, is an idiot. In my opinion.

Why?

If you told me I could continue with the current administration or pick a name out of hat, I'd take the latter choice. I'm not saying we couldn't do worse than Trump but I'm sure we would be scraping the barrel to find such a cretin.

Stacyhs · 11th August 2020, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed:

Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode.

God Almighty, these people are stupid. No wonder they're Trumpers.

acbytesla · 11th August 2020, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by crescent

Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode.

And yet, that is about American as one can get. Wonder what they would say about me? I'm Irish, English, Norwegian and Swedish. I guess they don't know you can be more than one thing.

Elagabalus · 11th August 2020, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by Belz...

I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected.

Besides, didn't she run out of money?

She's going to kill him for the money?

gypsyjackson · 11th August 2020, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

ETA: The Idiot in Chief just mispronounced Kamala "Ka MAH la". He also used "Pocahontas" and "Sleepy Joe" in the same answer. What a putz.

I actually didn’t realise until today that it was pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, but I had only seen it written down. Is Trump pronouncing it that way to troll, or because he doesn’t follow the news?

Coincidentally, wrestler James Kamala Harris (pronounced a la Trump, and we know he likes the McMahon family) died this week. Contracted Covid, which went badly with his diabetes.

Stacyhs · 11th August 2020, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by gypsyjackson

I actually didn’t realise until today that it was pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, but I had only seen it written down. Is Trump pronouncing it that way to troll, or because he doesn’t follow the news?

Coincidentally, wrestler James Kamala Harris (pronounced a la Trump, and we know he likes the McMahon family) died this week. Contracted Covid, which went badly with his diabetes.

Trump knows how it's pronounced. He has to. She's a freaking senator who was a presidential candidate and questioned Kavanaugh.

Norman Alexander · 11th August 2020, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Don't worry. God will be speaking through him.

Out which end?

Stacyhs · 11th August 2020, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Out which end?

Is there a difference?

Norman Alexander · 11th August 2020, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Trump knows how it's pronounced. He has to. She's a freaking senator who was a presidential candidate and questioned Kavanaugh.

No he doesn't. Trump knows nothing that isn't about him.

Norman Alexander · 11th August 2020, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

Is there a difference?

Not in the Trump administration.

Stacyhs · 11th August 2020, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

No he doesn't. Trump knows nothing that isn't about him.

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

Elizabeth Warren	3	6.25%
Gretchen Whitmer	0	0%
Kamala Harris	23	47.92%
Karen Bass	3	6.25%
Keisha Lance Bottoms	2	4.17%
Michelle Lujan Grisham	1	2.08%
Stacey Abrams	0	0%
Susan Rice	5	10.42%
Tammy Duckworth	5	10.42%
Val Demings	1	2.08%
Another US Senator	0	0%
Another Governor	0	0%
Someone else	1	2.08%
On Planet X, Mike Pence will be VEEP Forever	4	8.33%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

11th August 2020, 04:17 PM	#244
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,220	Originally Posted by theprestige Nope! You're thinking of Elon Musk's achievements. Sure thing, man. Originally Posted by theprestige It was not my contention that the Nation endorsed this view. My wording was misleading.
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11th August 2020, 04:32 PM	#245
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 7,015	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Kamala Harris. Well, we'll see. I'm not impressed by her ... Says the guy who told all and sundry not to vote for Elizabeth Warren but ended up voting for her in the primary. SHRUGS Eh, you wanted mud.
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11th August 2020, 04:42 PM	#246
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,908	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay I think he'll choose Elizabeth Warren. She seems pretty popular with Democrats, though so is Kamala Harris. But he's pretty conservative so he'll choose someone white. So much for that thought.
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11th August 2020, 04:50 PM	#248
rdaneel Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: I'M IN THE PHONEBOOK! I'M SOMEBODY!!! Posts: 4,311	Originally Posted by Trebuchet He won't, it'll be Pence has to do that. If there are debates at all. I wonder if he'll need permission from his wife to be on the same stage as a woman.
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11th August 2020, 04:02 PM	#241
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,542	Originally Posted by Distracted1 Careful there, next you will be calling her "clean cut" for the racism trifecta. Biden called Obama "clean", not "clean cut". What he meant was that he had a clean record. No huge negatives, but that didn't stop people from distorting it into some sort of racist remark. Such is politics, though.

11th August 2020, 04:03 PM	#242
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,233	Originally Posted by smartcooky Mike "Statue" Pence... I almost feel sorry for him Don't worry. God will be speaking through him.

11th August 2020, 04:04 PM	#243
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,542	Originally Posted by alfaniner Well, the Breaking News of the day is that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate. The news of the next four days (and nothing else) is going to be that Biden chose Kamala Harris as his running mate. And every possible permutation that entails. Let the mudslinging begin.....but save your very best ammo for October.

11th August 2020, 04:45 PM	#247
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,018	Originally Posted by Brainster .... ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor. The writer is the Post's humor columnist. After listing the sterling qualities of Aaron Burr, John C. Calhoun, Andrew Jackson, Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon and other male politicians, she laments: Quote: The more you think about the people who have occupied this office before, the more frustrating it becomes that literally no woman in contention partakes of any of their team-player, self-effacing, non-threatening, apologetic qualities. I don’t know what Team Biden is going to do. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...ing-female-vp/

11th August 2020, 04:56 PM	#249
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,640	Originally Posted by acbytesla There's no hurry. I'd wait till the last possible day to announce. Originally Posted by theprestige That makes so much sense that one would be a fool not to ask why he keeps saying he'll do it sooner. Originally Posted by acbytesla That's called the tease. Trump does that all the time. Keep them hanging....keep it in the news. Funny how this ended up playing out.

11th August 2020, 05:03 PM	#250
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,908	Originally Posted by theprestige I doubt it's illegal. I think it is an interesting case of affirmative action and hiring quotas in action. Tucker Carlson is an ass. But Biden is giving us some insight into what he thinks the real issues are, and what he thinks a good solution is. I don't give a flying about Carlson's questions. My questions are: If he picks a black woman for VP, is it because of her race and gender? Does that mean her race and gender are what make her the best person for the job? If so, then what exactly is the job? What exactly is the VP's job, anyway? How much do the two jobs actually overlap? And what if he doesn't end up picking a black woman? Then what? Why did he say he would earlier? What problem was he trying to solve earlier? Why does he think it no longer needs to be solved? Hypothesis: What he said earlier was a gambit to win votes for his nomination as the party's candidate. Now that his nomination is effectively guaranteed, he's free from that commitment and can consider other factors when trying to win the general election. In the past, a veep pick might be selected because they are from a certain electorally important swing state that the candidate hopes to carry. Does that mean that being from a particular state is what made that white man the best person for the job? Was is always a pure meritocratic choice, or did political considerations play a role? Yes, I imagine race and gender were both among the factors that weighed in the decision, but not the only factors. But it has always been about which choice can best help me win this election, not which choice has the best qualifications for the job.
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11th August 2020, 05:14 PM	#251
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,026	CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort: Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him). Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here). Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled). Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry). Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.) Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated. I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away.

11th August 2020, 05:23 PM	#252
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by theprestige Funny how this ended up playing out. A little. It was getting close. I tend to think that waiting helps because it gives the GOP less time to target the VP. But I also believe you can overthink these things. If Trump proved anything it's that all the minutiae that people think matters, don't really. It is one thing I give him credit for.
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11th August 2020, 05:38 PM	#253
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,542	Originally Posted by crescent CT nuts are flinging the crazy around already. Stupid false things I've seen promoted on social media just this afternoon, without making much effort: Harris's parent were not citizens at the time of her birth (true) so she can't be President (false). If she can't be president, she can't be Vice-President (moot, since she can be president). (Jacob Wohl is pushing this one, Snopes has a good write-up debunking him). Harris is not eligible to be President nor Vice President because she was born with dual citizenship and therefore does not qualify as "Natural Born" (false, she is still eligible, she lived most of her life in America after being born here). Her father claims to be descended from a major slave owner (true, he did claim this). I think they are suggesting that this reflects badly upon her, or suggests that she can't actually be black? (Snopes has a good write up on this one). Apparently is is bad for her to have this ancestry even if it is not bad for many white Americans to also be descended from slave owners. Or maybe it is hypocritical of her, even if she has nothing good to ever say about that ancestor of hers (Which isn't fully proven, the record is a bit muddled). Claims that she can't be black because her father was Jamaican, not Black (as if nobody in Jamaica has African ancestry, or is descended from slaves). The racial makeup of people in Jamaica seems to be a confusing issue for some people. (If she's not black, then neither is Colin Powell, who also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry). Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.) Mass confusion as to whether Harris can or should identify as more than one race. Mixed-race ancestry as it relates to personal identification seems to be very, very confusing to some people. She has Asian ancestry and she also has Afro-Caribbean ancestry and she can claim whatever combination of that she feels is appropriate. This is not complicated. I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away. Reading stuff like this, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry. So, what ancestry do they think Jamaicans are?

11th August 2020, 05:42 PM	#254
Travis Misanthrope of the Mountains Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 24,101	TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY! MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK! i'm sort of excited....
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11th August 2020, 05:47 PM	#255
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,542	Originally Posted by Elagabalus Says the guy who told all and sundry not to vote for Elizabeth Warren but ended up voting for her in the primary. SHRUGS Eh, you wanted mud. Did I vote for Elizabeth Warren? i don't remember. (Honestly. That was one pandemic ago. It seems like a distant era.) I think I must have. Either her or Amy Klobuchar....or maybe Amy dropped out just before the primary. I know I didn't vote for Bernie. I remember that much. To be honest, I know very little about Kamala Harris. Generally liberal. Black. (I learned in acbytesla's post about the Indian connection) Senator from California. My first exposure to her was in the Brett Kavanaugh hearings, and I wasn't impressed. I saw today Trump brought that up about her. That makes me nervous, but I don't know how much the voters will care. Of course, the Democratic base won't care, and the Republican base will make it out as the most awful thing ever, but how does that small minority of swing voters think of her? Or what will they think of her when the mud starts to fly? Beats me. I'm voting for her because she is the running mate of the guy who isn't Trump.

11th August 2020, 05:54 PM	#256
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,431	Fox News headline on YouTube: Tucker: There are timeshare sellers more trustworthy than Kamala Harris They're not wasting any time.

11th August 2020, 05:58 PM	#257
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,542	Here is the contents of a tweet from the Trump campaign Quote: "Not long ago, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist and asked for an apology she never received. Clearly, Phony Kamala will abandon her own morals, as well as try to bury her record as a prosecutor, in order to appease the anti-police extremists controlling the Democrat Party. In her failed attempt at running for president, Kamala Harris gleefully embraced the left’s radical manifesto, calling for trillions of dollars in new taxes and backing Bernie Sanders’ government takeover of healthcare. She is proof that Joe Biden is an empty shell being filled with the extreme agenda of the radicals on the left. “Joe Biden is no moderate, and with Harris as his ‘political living will,’ he is surrendering control of our nation to the radical mob with promises to raise taxes, cut police funding, kill energy jobs, open our borders, and appease socialist dictators. At the ballot box, Americans will resoundingly reject the abysmal failures of Biden-Harris in favor of the America First strength of President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence." These people are truly awful. Name calling. "Political living will". It's embarrassing. I just hope it doesn't work.

11th August 2020, 05:59 PM	#258
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 25,908	Originally Posted by crescent Accusation that it is racist to refer to her mother's heritage as "Indian" because Native Americans don't like that word. (Many native Americans don't like that word when it is applied to Native Americans, I don't think they have any problem with the word applied to people in or from India. In fairness, I once had a coworker who shared this belief, and she was as liberal as get all. Also bat-guano crazy.) Wow. Now that's just stupid. I can't even
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11th August 2020, 06:02 PM	#259
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,690	Originally Posted by Travis TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY! MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK! i'm sort of excited.... Same here. I like Kamala. When she was pressing Barr about ever being asked to investigate a political rival, I thought she came across as smart and someone who doesn't suffer fools.

11th August 2020, 06:07 PM	#260
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,520	Originally Posted by crescent I am sure more will come up, it will be like Birtherism 2.0, only in a lite "diet" formula because she is only running for VP. With luck, this will make the racism of the conspiracy people, as well as their prominence within the Republican party wildly visible, such that the boot-licking apologists can't waive it away. Yeah yeah...we saw all that coming. I'm sure the media hasn't learned it's lesson from giggling about Dolt 45's white supremacist "Show Me Your Teeth" birther crap, so they'll push it at some point. And we've already figured out that the whole "Kamala's not one of us" ADOS crap was started by a Cheeto Benito fan, and most media outlets won't touch that one. Very good choice. Young, mixed Jamaican and Indian, devoted family (remember when that pseudo-hippie grabbed the mike from her and started talking about...something? You can literally see her husband rush the stage in the audience below), a goos record as prosecutor (apart from possibly bankers - most of what's said about her focusing on weed or jailing parents for minor delinquency crimes are nonsense), a brutal debater (she was a prosecutor after all - she clowned the likes of Barr and Kavanaugh), solid chops on many key issues. Are there others I'd have also liked? Absolutely. Will it satisfy the Bernie Bros? Who cares, they always marginalize themselves anyway. But I'm enjoying my twitter feed, especially, of course, Not Captain America.
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11th August 2020, 06:11 PM	#261
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,220	Originally Posted by Travis TODAY WAS A GOOD DAY! MY LADY ENDED UP BEING THE PICK! i'm sort of excited.... She might even end up President.
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11th August 2020, 06:24 PM	#262
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,026	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Reading stuff like this, I can't decide whether to laugh or cry. So, what ancestry do they think Jamaicans are? IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed: Quote: Her dad is Jamaican and her mother is India, but she identifies as African American. Shoot I identify as .... but it does not make it so. Fake news again. Can not trust the media people. Quote: one minute she is black, the next East Indian, the next Native American Quote: so what is she ? Asian , or black, everyone is so confused. Her mom is Indian, her dad Jamaican of mixed heritage. Why is race so important vs qualifications? Quote: Kamala Harris swore into congress as an “Indian-American”, now plays the “I’m a black a woman” card much like Elizabeth Warren. Quote: Pretty sure she said she was indian-american a while back. Do libs get to flip flop what race they are? Seems like they do that alot to get what they want. Quote: How is she Black but Indian? Quote: I thought she was Indian ??? Quote: huh? She’s clearly a Black women. And who says “ Indian” anymore. 🤔🤔 Quote: Neither one of her parents were American citizens until 5 years after she was born. That would exempt her from running as vice president...or so I thought.. 1 'The individual must have been born in the United States or born to a parent who is a citizen of the United States; The individual must be 35 years of age or older; The individual must have been a resident ADVERTISEMENT in the United States' Quote: Dems did this intentionally. When Biden slips Kamala won't be eligible for president. So that leaves nasty PELOSI to run the country 🤪🤪🤪 Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode.

11th August 2020, 06:27 PM	#263
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,640	Originally Posted by Belz... She might even end up President. I guess it depends on how clearly swing voters are thinking, on the Dem side. They didn't like her for the nomination itself. If the logic here is that she'll be the president anyway, they might as well stay home. On the other hand, if the logic is that Biden is too old to be president, and they nominated him anyway, then they're clearly not thinking clearly anyway, are they?

11th August 2020, 06:32 PM	#264
Mumbles Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,520	Originally Posted by Meadmaker Here is the contents of a tweet from the Trump campaign These people are truly awful. Name calling. "Political living will". It's embarrassing. I just hope it doesn't work. We can stop at "Not long ago, Kamala Harris called Joe Biden a racist". She literally said the opposite. You may as well attack Warren for her love of Wall Street Banking.
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11th August 2020, 06:34 PM	#265
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 38,806	Originally Posted by Puppycow So much for that thought. Yep. Happy to be wrong there. I voted for who I thought he'll pick, not who I'd want him to pick. Looks like I should have thought more charitably towards Biden.
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11th August 2020, 06:46 PM	#266
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,640	Originally Posted by crescent IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed: Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode. Statistically speaking, I don't think it matters much at all.

11th August 2020, 06:46 PM	#267
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In a post-fact world Posts: 92,220	Originally Posted by theprestige I guess it depends on how clearly swing voters are thinking, on the Dem side. They didn't like her for the nomination itself. If the logic here is that she'll be the president anyway, they might as well stay home. On the other hand, if the logic is that Biden is too old to be president, and they nominated him anyway, then they're clearly not thinking clearly anyway, are they? I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected. Besides, didn't she run out of money?
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11th August 2020, 06:52 PM	#268
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 50,640	Originally Posted by Belz... I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected. Besides, didn't she run out of money? Anyone who nominated Biden on the assumption that he would die in office, and they were actually nominating his VP sight unseen, is an idiot. In my opinion.

11th August 2020, 07:00 PM	#269
Regnad Kcin Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: New York Posts: 10,270	Originally Posted by Brainster I said she was the safe, smart choice. But think about how tone-deaf it is for ~~Team Biden to be letting out how dismayed they were the flaws they found~~. They're implying that there would have been men who would have sailed through without any problems. It does reflect how far we've come that a half-Black, half-Indian woman is the safe and sensible pick. ETA: My bad, I saw the headline and opening sentences of the WAPO piece and thought it was reporting. Actually it's a lame attempt at humor. Actually, Alexandra Petri is a humorist of rare skills. Top tier. A female Cain.
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11th August 2020, 07:06 PM	#270
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by theprestige Anyone who nominated Biden on the assumption that he would die in office, and they were actually nominating his VP sight unseen, is an idiot. In my opinion. Why? If you told me I could continue with the current administration or pick a name out of hat, I'd take the latter choice. I'm not saying we couldn't do worse than Trump but I'm sure we would be scraping the barrel to find such a cretin.
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11th August 2020, 07:08 PM	#271
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,233	Originally Posted by crescent IDK, here's some from the comments section on my local news' FB feed: Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode. God Almighty, these people are stupid. No wonder they're Trumpers.

11th August 2020, 07:13 PM	#272
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by crescent Mixed race heritage seems to make a lot of heads explode. And yet, that is about American as one can get. Wonder what they would say about me? I'm Irish, English, Norwegian and Swedish. I guess they don't know you can be more than one thing.
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11th August 2020, 07:21 PM	#273
Elagabalus Philosopher Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 7,015	Originally Posted by Belz... I mean if Biden dies while in office, assuming he's elected. Besides, didn't she run out of money? She's going to kill him for the money?
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11th August 2020, 07:36 PM	#274
gypsyjackson Graduate Poster Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 1,129	Originally Posted by Stacyhs ETA: The Idiot in Chief just mispronounced Kamala "Ka MAH la". He also used "Pocahontas" and "Sleepy Joe" in the same answer. What a putz. I actually didn’t realise until today that it was pronounced with the stress on the first syllable, but I had only seen it written down. Is Trump pronouncing it that way to troll, or because he doesn’t follow the news? Coincidentally, wrestler James Kamala Harris (pronounced a la Trump, and we know he likes the McMahon family) died this week. Contracted Covid, which went badly with his diabetes.