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Tags 2020 elections , Elizabeth Warren , Kamala Harris , Karen Bass , political speculation , vice presidential choices

View Poll Results: Who will Biden choose as running mate?
Elizabeth Warren 3 6.25%
Gretchen Whitmer 0 0%
Kamala Harris 23 47.92%
Karen Bass 3 6.25%
Keisha Lance Bottoms 2 4.17%
Michelle Lujan Grisham 1 2.08%
Stacey Abrams 0 0%
Susan Rice 5 10.42%
Tammy Duckworth 5 10.42%
Val Demings 1 2.08%
Another US Senator 0 0%
Another Governor 0 0%
Someone else 1 2.08%
On Planet X, Mike Pence will be VEEP Forever 4 8.33%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12th August 2020, 06:34 AM   #321
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
She's a black(-ish) educated woman from California, with parents who were so foreign they weren't even born here, running on a Democratic ticket.

I don't think "Time in the public eye" is going to make a mote of difference in how much the Right is going to hate her.
Which is funny about disliking California....more Californians voted for Trump than Georgians and North Carolinians combined.
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:37 AM   #322
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We'll see. From my point of view, I think it's unrealistic to expect anybody to change their view of Trump based on anything he says on Kamala. Kamala still has the opportunity to make an impression, for good or for ill.
She needs to adopt the same approach as Biden, let Trump continue on stabbing himself.

I may have said it a few times before but no one can hurt Trump more than Trump can.
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:40 AM   #323
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As someone with some difficulty hearing, I think the next few months are going to be hard to distinguish between "ka-ma-la har-ris" and "co-ro-na vi-rus".
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:42 AM   #324
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
As someone with some difficulty hearing, I think the next few months are going to be hard to distinguish between "ka-ma-la-har-ris" and "co-ro-na-vi-rus".
Ka-ro-la-vi-ris.

Co-ma-na-har-rus.
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They could have used the fact she is pro-slavery. Her attempts to keep people working for the prison system, by force, after they have served their time is disturbing enough. Oh, yeah, she didn't know what arguments her office was making, despite it having her signature on it. It wasn't a hot topic either, it was only an order from the supreme court to release prisoners, why would she even look at that?
Debunked, as of quite a while ago.

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
She's a black(-ish) educated woman from California, with parents who were so foreign they weren't even born here, running on a Democratic ticket.

I don't think "Time in the public eye" is going to make a mote of difference in how much the Right is going to hate her.
Well, of course not, the fact that she's a black woman with intelligence and ambition is quite enough, before we get to the (non-white) immigrant parents. But they're very clearly worried as all hell.

Latest attack seems to be trying to drive a wedge between her and black voters by pointing out that one of her long-dead ancestors owned slaves.

At this point, I think it's worth remembering that the overwhelming majority of black voters find the modern GOP to be absolutely repulsive, and that it's due to the things they say and do. They aren't good at this. Worry about white voters.
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Latest attack seems to be trying to drive a wedge between her and black voters by pointing out that one of her long-dead ancestors owned slaves.
I wonder how many of the GOP's more hardline members have ancestors who owned slaves.
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Who would've been the best choice? Warren perhaps?
Nah, too old. She was my presidential choice. For VP you need someone capable of picking up the torch in eight years and carrying it for another eight if political winds blow that way. Warren's got that feisty grandma thing going, so she needs a cabinet role as head of the Treasury or something where she can pursue her policies now.

I would have preferred Duckworth. She's even more of a centrist on policy, but would have locked in the military vote and given Trump endless hell about his bone spurs.
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Let's just note that Harris is from Oakland, California. That's where she's from. Many of us can trace our ancestors to multiple homelands.
She may have been born in Oakland and later moved there, but she spent her first twelve years in Berkeley.
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They could have used the fact she is pro-slavery. Her attempts to keep people working for the prison system, by force, after they have served their time is disturbing enough. Oh, yeah, she didn't know what arguments her office was making, despite it having her signature on it. It wasn't a hot topic either, it was only an order from the supreme court to release prisoners, why would she even look at that?
i call shenanigans for using that word to foist your ignorant, hyperbolic opinion.
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Old 12th August 2020, 07:33 AM   #330
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She may have been born in Oakland and later moved there, but she spent her first twelve years in Berkeley.
Is living in Berkeley (where I was born) as a little kid something you think important?

Damn, I may have cooties I didn't even know I had.
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Old 12th August 2020, 07:38 AM   #331
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Is living in Berkeley (where I was born) as a little kid something you think important?

Damn, I may have cooties I didn't even know I had.
Everyone who lives in Berkeley is an adjunct professor spreading marxism, even the toddlers.
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That's really not a debunking of the facts. In 2014, not 2011 or 2012 as this debunking maintains, with her signature on the document, she argued against the release of prisoners who have completed the terms of their incarceration. This fact is never addressed.

I'm sure none of those were parents whose kids skipped school. She was in favor of the law in California to imprison parents whose kids skipped school.

She was the worst kind of law enforcement person. One who assumed guilt and enforced punishment beyond the scope of the law.
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i call shenanigans for using that word to foist your ignorant, hyperbolic opinion.
Did she or did she not fight to keep people working for the state after their terms of incarceration were up?

She did. She feigns ignorance over the issue now, but she did fight to keep people in prison after their term was up because she needed the labor.
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i call shenanigans for using that word to foist your ignorant, hyperbolic opinion.
I think 'attempts to keep people working for the prison system, by force, after they have served their time' qualifies as 'pro-slavery'.

Either you don't think she did that, or you don't think that's slavery. Which is it?
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Did she or did she not fight to keep people working for the state after their terms of incarceration were up?

She did. She feigns ignorance over the issue now, but she did fight to keep people in prison after their term was up because she needed the labor.
Provide evidence please.

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I think 'attempts to keep people working for the prison system, by force, after they have served their time' qualifies as 'pro-slavery'.

Either you don't think she did that, or you don't think that's slavery. Which is it?
First things first. Evidence please.
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She's a black(-ish) educated woman from California, with parents who were so foreign they weren't even born here, running on a Democratic ticket.

I don't think "Time in the public eye" is going to make a mote of difference in how much the Right is going to hate her.
As pointed out, they already hate her. That happened as soon as they affixed a "D" after her name.

But admittedly, they will have a special kind of hate for a smart ambitious articulate woman of color that they don't for the White guy who will be her boss.
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It was always to be expected that the pro-Trump anit-America crowd at Fox would pull this ********. The the rats who know their ship is sinking at the Whitehouse were quick to leak that Harris was the one they were worried about. The true believing Trumptrash leaked something else but it's what their kind would say.
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I'm curious, what happens if Biden gives up the ghost before election day? Do people just keep voting the same Biden/Harris ticket, and VP Harris gets the bump on inauguration day? Or does she become the candidate and select a VP to run with her?
Before the election the party selects a replacement. After it's down to the electors.
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Provide evidence please.

First things first. Evidence please.
Fair enough.
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That's really not a debunking of the facts. In 2014, not 2011 or 2012 as this debunking maintains, with her signature on the document, she argued against the release of prisoners who have completed the terms of their incarceration. This fact is never addressed.

I'm sure none of those were parents whose kids skipped school. She was in favor of the law in California to imprison parents whose kids skipped school.

She was the worst kind of law enforcement person. One who assumed guilt and enforced punishment beyond the scope of the law.
So, Javert is the VP pick?
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She's nasty. Oh, so nasty. Trump's go-to for every woman who opposes him.
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Errol Webber standing for Congress in California tweeted

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As a Jamaican immigrant to America, I will make it my mission to personally expose Kamala Harris for everything she is.
The woman has lied and cheated her way to the top of the political spectrum and she must be stopped.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Errol Webber standing for Congress in California tweeted

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As a Jamaican immigrant to America, I will make it my mission to personally expose Kamala Harris for everything she is.
The woman has lied and cheated her way to the top of the political spectrum and she must be stopped.
There we go. I guess it's only a stone's throw from there to "slept her way to the top".

And what does him being Jamaican have to do with anything?
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Errol Webber standing for Congress in California tweeted

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As a Jamaican immigrant to America, I will make it my mission to personally expose Kamala Harris for everything she is.
The woman has lied and cheated her way to the top of the political spectrum and she must be stopped.
And then you give Merica 4 more Trump years, and once again the Dems fall to fighting among their own and can't see the bigger picture. Lol.
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And then you give Merica 4 more Trump years, and once again the Dems fall to fighting among their own and can't see the bigger picture. Lol.
Webber is a Republican.
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And then you give Merica 4 more Trump years, and once again the Dems fall to fighting among their own and can't see the bigger picture. Lol.
Meanwhile the GOP has been in power for almost 4 years now and has a single piece of legislation giving tax cuts for the rich to show for it.
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Webber is a Republican.
I was responding to Swoop, not Weber, don't twist my post thank you
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I was responding to Swoop, not Weber, don't twist my post thank you
How di I manage to do that?
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Meanwhile the GOP has been in power for almost 4 years now and has a single piece of legislation giving tax cuts for the rich to show for it.
which has nothing to do with the rage felt against Kamala by those in this thread. She must be destroyed so the Dems can pull a Red Soxs choke yet again....

lol.
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How di I manage to do that?
What, give Trump 4 more years and divide the democratic party? Beats me. Rocky's on a roll right now.
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And, that would be Captain Swoop!
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which has nothing to do with the rage felt against Kamala by those in this thread.
No, it has everything to do with the post I was respoding to. Stay focused.
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Dinesh D'Souza has gone in to overdrive
Here are a few of the screeds of tweets on the issue he has posted today.

Many leftists are desperately waiting for @KevinMKruse to refute my contention Kamala Harris is descended from one of Jamaica’s largest slaveowners. But he’s silent because he knows it’s true. No squid-like cloud of obfuscation, not even from Kruse, can alter the crushing fact

The “first black woman” hoopla is based on the idea that finally a female descendant of slaves can make it all the way to the White House. The problem is that Kamala Harris is descended from one of Jamaica’s largest slaveowners. This exposes the whole morality tale as a farce!

The supreme irony is that the party of slavery that demands public dissociation from all connections with slavery has nominated for the vice presidency a woman who is the descendant & beneficiary of one of the largest slave planters in Jamaica. How do they get out of this one?
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The “first black woman” hoopla is based on the idea that finally a female descendant of slaves can make it all the way to the White House. The problem is that Kamala Harris is descended from one of Jamaica’s largest slaveowners. This exposes the whole morality tale as a farce!
No, it's based on the idea that black people have traditionally struggled for equality in the US regardless of their ancestors' origins or status.
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And then you give Merica 4 more Trump years, and once again the Dems fall to fighting among their own and can't see the bigger picture. Lol.
That's the sad part of this. Have any of the internal divisions within the Democrats been resolved in the past 4 years? Will they be given another 4 years? At least if a progressive candidate had been put forward there would be the possibility of the "socialists are unelectable" question being put to bed for a bit.
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Errol Webber standing for Congress in California tweeted

Errol Webber For Congress (CA-37)
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As a Jamaican immigrant to America, I will make it my mission to personally expose Kamala Harris for everything she is.
The woman has lied and cheated her way to the top of the political spectrum and she must be stopped.
We must go to William Sonoma and procure their finest finishing salts. Only salt of that quality will be suitable to grind in this traitor's wounds on inauguration day.
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No, it's based on the idea that black people have traditionally struggled for equality in the US regardless of their ancestors' origins or status.
There are different audiences here. One audience will certainly see this in the collectivist identitarian way you describe, others will see the story in the individualist terms Captain_Swoop is describing. I guess the key question is which audience has more undecided people available to be won over.
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There are different audiences here. One audience will certainly see this in the collectivist identitarian way you describe, others will see the story in the individualist terms Captain_Swoop is describing. I guess the key question is which audience has more undecided people available to be won over.
Isn't the quote from Swoop describing a collectivist view as well?
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She may have been born in Oakland and later moved there, but she spent her first twelve years in Berkeley.
I was responding to someone who implied she was from Jamaica. Her father was, not her. Considering how long "birtherism" raged against Obama, it's best to correct such confusions wherever they appear.
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Old 12th August 2020, 09:57 AM   #360
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Isn't the quote from Swoop describing a collectivist view as well?
I wouldn't have said so. I think Captain_Swoop was saying that Kamala personally is descended from a rich slave owning family and that this makes it a little awkward for her if she wants to present herself as some kind of avatar for black people struggling with the legacy of slavery.

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