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Old 24th November 2020, 08:03 AM   #281
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We already went through the whole "OMG the Left is going to make it so another country owns us" thing back in the 80s/90s with Japan.

This whole line of think reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how inter-country economics works.
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:11 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
We already went through the whole "OMG the Left is going to make it so another country owns us" thing back in the 80s/90s with Japan.

This whole line of think reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of how inter-country economics works.
Actually, back in the eighties, it was the Democrats who were in favor of protectionist policies. The trade Unions were screaming for it, Reagan, and his cohort, were against it.
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:14 AM   #283
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The tea party ran rather racist ads during the Obama admin of how our debt would mean the Chinese would soon own us. Then Trump won and deficits didn’t matter anymore.
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:16 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
The tea party ran rather racist ads during the Obama admin of how our debt would mean the Chinese would soon own us. Then Trump won and deficits didn’t matter anymore.
Utter nonsense - they mean everything, well from 20th January 2021 they will.
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:17 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by Distracted1 View Post
Actually, back in the eighties, it was the Democrats who were in favor of protectionist policies. The trade Unions were screaming for it, Reagan, and his cohort, were against it.
Joe said “the left”....
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:19 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Utter nonsense - they mean everything, well from 20th January 2021 they will.
At noon, to be specific.
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I’m assuming that 21/1 will be the first shutdown unless “the dems” agree to a compromise of cutting spending on everything the Reps want cutting?
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Anyone want a sweepstake on when the first “cancel the ACA” vote happens?
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Old 24th November 2020, 08:56 AM   #289
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Anyone want a sweepstake on when the first “cancel the ACA” vote happens?
6/jan/2023, after the Republicans have retaken the House in the midterms.
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Old 24th November 2020, 11:27 AM   #290
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
After four years of excitement, excrement boring sounds good to me.
Fixed that for you.

Confirmations should be "interesting". I expect Mitch will let most through eventually.
Judges, on the other hand, I don't expect a single federal judge or SCOTUS nomination to be approved for the next two years.
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Old 24th November 2020, 01:21 PM   #291
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
Individual Congressmen have to grow a spine and stand up to their so-called leaders' ******** from time to time.

The few "swing Senators" are essentially held hostage by their own party.

The Dems need to start a concerted effort to subvert at least a few GOP senators to their cause. There's got to be a weak link or two, who want something the Dems can offer.

At the same time, Biden should direct the CIA and FBI to figure out what kompromat the Russians gave Trump to get Ted Cruz and Linsey Graham to turn into complete boot-licking yes-men, so they can use it themselves.
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Old 24th November 2020, 02:13 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Marco Rubio tweets

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Biden’s cabinet picks went to Ivy League schools,have strong resumes,attend all the right conferences & will be polite & orderly caretakers of America’s decline

I support American greatness

And I have no interest in returning to the “normal” that left us dependent on China
This is the way the GOP will pretend, going forward, that even though their guy lost the Presidency, they still have a complete right to dictate the policies of the one who won it. "Elections have consequences"- unless it's one Repubs lose, in which case, what election, there was an election?
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Old 24th November 2020, 02:29 PM   #293
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
This is the way the GOP will pretend, going forward, that even though their guy lost the Presidency, they still have a complete right to dictate the policies of the one who won it. "Elections have consequences"- unless it's one Repubs lose, in which case, what election, there was an election?
Marky is just starting early on trying to assume Trump's mantle. What he doesn't realize is that the pack will never follow a beta dog. This pack is going to need a new alpha.
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Old 24th November 2020, 04:03 PM   #294
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Kayleigh McEnany tweeted

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Apparently Biden’s pick for Secretary of State can serenade the Iranian mullahs with guitar tunes while they ship over more plane loads of American cash.
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Old 24th November 2020, 05:36 PM   #295
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The GOP may not hold the Senate
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Old 24th November 2020, 05:39 PM   #296
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Kayleigh McEnany tweeted

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Apparently Biden’s pick for Secretary of State can serenade the Iranian mullahs with guitar tunes while they ship over more plane loads of American cash.
OAN Barbie.
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OAN Barbie still doesn't get it that it wasn't plane loads of cash and it their money to begin in the first place. Maybe Ken should explain it to her in one and two syllable words. Maybe a few drawings would help, too.
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Old 24th November 2020, 11:08 PM   #298
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
This is the way the GOP will pretend, going forward, that even though their guy lost the Presidency, they still have a complete right to dictate the policies of the one who won it. "Elections have consequences"- unless it's one Repubs lose, in which case, what election, there was an election?
So now educatin and ecpereince are bad is the new GOP mantra.
Problem for Little Marco is he is too well educated for the Trumpers...hell, he was a college profesor for a while.
Sas thing is Rubio is smart enough to know this is pure BS.
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Old 24th November 2020, 11:09 PM   #299
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Marky is just starting early on trying to assume Trump's mantle. What he doesn't realize is that the pack will never follow a beta dog. This pack is going to need a new alpha.
Besided, Trumpy will let nobody assume the mantle except himself or one of his kids.
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Old 25th November 2020, 11:15 AM   #300
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
So now educatin and ecpereince are bad is the new GOP mantra.
Problem for Little Marco is he is too well educated for the Trumpers...hell, he was a college profesor for a while.
Sas thing is Rubio is smart enough to know this is pure BS.
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Besided, Trumpy will let nobody assume the mantle except himself or one of his kids.
I'm trying not to call you out, but I've been seeing a lot of typos in your posts lately. Is it because you're delirious with happiness that Trump lost?
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This video of Biden giving a Thanksgiving Address demonstrates the stark difference between Trump.

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Old 25th November 2020, 04:18 PM   #302
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Besided, Trumpy will let nobody assume the mantle except himself or one of his kids.
Or a loyalist.

I think Trump is going to reach borderline Eternal President level, where anyone taking up the Trump mantle is going to have to throw his name out there every so often for the base.
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Old 25th November 2020, 06:58 PM   #303
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I'm trying not to call you out, but I've been seeing a lot of typos in your posts lately. Is it because you're delirious with happiness that Trump lost?
Lately?! dudalb does not proof his posts - never has.
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ISTR a poster giving a one time warning some time ago that health issues (a stroke?) would be making typing posts problematic for him. Might have been dudalb.
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I suggest "Triceps" for his Secret Service name.

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Old 28th November 2020, 12:20 AM   #306
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What?!?
No incriminating open drawers full of drugs?
No asinine notes scribbled in sharpie?


I feel cheated!
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What?!?
No incriminating open drawers full of drugs?
No asinine notes scribbled in sharpie?


I feel cheated!
He doesn't have a coaster under his coffee cup.
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Old 28th November 2020, 06:31 AM   #308
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He doesn't have a coaster under his coffee cup.
That's worse than a tan suit! That coffee cup might leave an easily cleanable mark on that writing pad! IMPEACH HIM!
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I suggest "Triceratops" for his Secret Service name.

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He's got the same desk chair that I have. Smart man - he should run for Prez.
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To jump in here with a somewhat relevant opinion piece...

What do progressives make of Joe Biden's cabinet picks so far?

The bad news for progressives is that there has not yet been a single person announced for an official post that the left can be enthusiastic about


The choices are still incredibly better than Trump's choices in so many ways, but they're not especially encouraging, in and of themselves.

To quote the last little bit -

Quote:
They may not be thieves or rightwing hardliners, and the Biden administration is sure to be a huge improvement on its disastrous predecessor. But progressives need to watch out: on immigration, the climate crisis and foreign policy, the administration needs to be subjected to ceaseless public pressure, its inevitable serious failings called out and exposed.
Yeah, not exactly going into this coming Presidency starry-eyed.
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Yeah, I understand the feeling. But, most of these have to be confirmed by a Republican controlled Senate, so Biden needs at least two of Romney, Murkowski or Collins for confirmation.
That's depressing for the left, but what should Biden do?
He is very limited in doing the Trump shtick with "acting" officials from the start, because these must have been confirmed by the Senate to a different position before, or be career officials.
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
To jump in here with a somewhat relevant opinion piece...

What do progressives make of Joe Biden's cabinet picks so far?

The bad news for progressives is that there has not yet been a single person announced for an official post that the left can be enthusiastic about


The choices are still incredibly better than Trump's choices in so many ways, but they're not especially encouraging, in and of themselves.

To quote the last little bit -



Yeah, not exactly going into this coming Presidency starry-eyed.
Progressives need to remember that Biden won because he's not a progressive. If a progressive candidate had secured the Democratic nomination we'd all be contemplating another four years of Trump.
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Progressives need to remember that Biden won because he's not a progressive. If a progressive candidate had secured the Democratic nomination we'd all be contemplating another four years of Trump.
I question that assertion, but I'll take the win that we got without complaining.

Even so, it's not wrong to be pointedly aware of the state of things and the way that we want them to go.
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Yeah, I understand the feeling. But, most of these have to be confirmed by a Republican controlled Senate, so Biden needs at least two of Romney, Murkowski or Collins for confirmation.
That's depressing for the left, but what should Biden do?
He is very limited in doing the Trump shtick with "acting" officials from the start, because these must have been confirmed by the Senate to a different position before, or be career officials.
Maybe progressives should accept having a President who wants to rejoin the Paris Climate Accords, not lock children up in cages and protect the ACA is a win and concentrate their efforts on getting control of Congress so that maybe they might be able to get some real change enacted.
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I question that assertion, but I'll take the win that we got without complaining.

Even so, it's not wrong to be pointedly aware of the state of things and the way that we want them to go.
Progressives need to find points where they can get their camel's nose into the tent. They should rally around Medicare for those who need it and want it with a goal to out-compete private healthcare.

They should look to making college cheaper and free for some. Don't talk to the average American about a free business degree that you're going to use to get a job as a Wall Street bond trader. Talk about a free business degree that you're going to use at the Small Business Administration, Bureau of Indian Affairs or USAID.

The progressive wing of the Democratic Party needs to meet Americans where they are, not where they think they should be.
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Progressives need to not listen to anti-progressives telling them what progressives need to do.
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Progressives need to not listen to anti-progressives telling them what progressives need to do.
Because:
  • Progressives have been massively wrong when telling everyone else that Biden would lose. Or in fact that the only way to beat Trump was to go so far left that no centrist Democrat will vote for your candidate, much less any independent or Republican.
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get a progressive on the big ticket because (spoiler) relatively very few people are as progressive as they are, and (more importantly) no one is actually progressive enough for them.
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get the Presidency because progressives don't grow their numbers. Instead they thin their own ranks with purity tests and attacks on the left for not being progressive enough.

So with such a record, of course progressives should not listen to the massively more successful political parties for advice. Why, it's far easier to claim you would have done such a better job when you fail to get that job than it is to actually do the job when you get it. Just ask Trump!

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Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Because:
  • Progressives have been massively wrong when telling everyone else that Biden would lose. Or in fact that the only way to beat Trump was to go so far left that no centrist Democrat will vote for your candidate, much less any independent or Republican.
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get a progressive on the big ticket because (spoiler) relatively very few people are as progressive as they are, and (more importantly) no one is actually progressive enough for them.
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get the Presidency because progressives don't grow their numbers. Instead they thin their own ranks with purity tests and attacks on the left for not being progressive enough.

So with such a record, of course progressives should not listen to the massively more successful political parties for advice. Why, it's far easier to claim you would have done such a better job when you fail to get that job than it is to actually do the job when you get it. Just ask Trump!
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Old 29th November 2020, 01:22 PM   #320
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
Progressives need to remember that Biden won because he's not a progressive. If a progressive candidate had secured the Democratic nomination we'd all be contemplating another four years of Trump.
Questionable reasoning there. More on this later.

Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
Because:
  • Progressives have been massively wrong when telling everyone else that Biden would lose. Or in fact that the only way to beat Trump was to go so far left that no centrist Democrat will vote for your candidate, much less any independent or Republican.
I didn't see it as going far left as much as I thought progressives had the energy that most of the more moderate candidates lacked. Thank God Biden managed to edge out a victory.

Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get a progressive on the big ticket because (spoiler) relatively very few people are as progressive as they are, and (more importantly) no one is actually progressive enough for them.
  • Progressives have consistently failed to get the Presidency because progressives don't grow their numbers. Instead they thin their own ranks with purity tests and attacks on the left for not being progressive enough.
There is substantial infighting among progressives and a lack of effective communication to the electorate.

Originally Posted by wareyin View Post
So with such a record, of course progressives should not listen to the massively more successful political parties for advice. Why, it's far easier to claim you would have done such a better job when you fail to get that job than it is to actually do the job when you get it. Just ask Trump!
Obama ran as a progressive. "Hope and Change", universal healthcare, withdrawing from Iraq, do you really want "four more years" of Bush? [McCain], etc. His campaign was pretty successful on the heels of the disaster of W. Bush's two terms. Of course he didn't govern like a progressive but his model of grassroots campaigning with a progressive agenda was successful.

Now in today's hyperpolarized political landscape I think the main issue is this perception that these are extreme proposals of a fringe offshoot of the Democratic party. Again I think that popular progressives like Bernie Sanders and AOC don't communicate their ideas very well to people outside of the base. Don't double down on the socialist label in a country still filled with Silent Gens and Boomers who lived through the Cold War. Appeals to policies of other countries run into the doctrine of American exceptionalism. They should appeal to history of the U.S. instead; The Progressive Era, T. Roosevelt, Upton Sinclair, FDR, LBJ, hell, Nixon established the EPA.
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