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Old 10th January 2021, 05:02 PM   #841
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Originally Posted by kookbreaker View Post
I knew at least one of these guys would bawling around a camera once they realized that actions have consequences.
From Scrutable about that video

Originally Posted by "Little waster" post_id=65053 time=1610322979 user_id=157
Originally Posted by jimbob post_id=65043 time=1610317916 user_id=107
So much for “Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death” and “Live Free or Die”.

I can only assume had mobile phones been ubiquitous in the 40s we’d have thousands of hours of crying Nazis complaining about how mean the Allies are being.

To loosely quote Colbert “If you launch a failed violent coup in countries which actually are like what the Trumpists claim the US is now, you don’t get get to cry about it afterwards on social media ... because they’ll have cut your ******* head off!”.

ETA: anybody fancy speculating wildly on what this lad’s likely opinion is regarding the death penalty and extraordinary rendition for terrorists?
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:04 PM   #842
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
None of them should have been allowed to leave the scene. All the ones who passed the Capitol threshold should have been arrested on the spot.
I think they let them go away to prevent any more disturbances or resistance. Better to pick them one by one in isolation later than trying to tackle hundreds-strong mob.

So yes, I think it was correct choice.
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:05 PM   #843
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
"They call me a ******* terrorist; they wanna ruin my ******* life!" (If I'm hearing him right, hard to tell with all the crybaby sobbing) No, whineyboy, "they" didn't do anything- you did that all by yourself. "Party of personal responsibility," right?
They are so mean to them! First this woman got maced, now this guy gets put on a no-fly list? All for a coup attempt that terrified the US populace (the sane part, at least), disgraced the USA in the eyes of the world and killed five people?
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:05 PM   #844
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
I think they let them go away to prevent any more disturbances or resistance. Better to pick them one by one in isolation later than trying to tackle hundreds-strong mob.

So yes, I think it was correct choice.
I don't think they had a choice. The Capitol police were so outnumbered they couldn't keep them from coming into the Capitol BUILDING; they weren't going to be able to keep them on the grounds.
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:07 PM   #845
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
This is just one example of why reassurances by some posters here that the US Military won't back Trump seizing power ring hollow with me. Mike Flynn was a general in the Marines. These guys didn't develop these views only after retirement.
They ring hollow to me because even if they do not back Trump (they despise him), I am not convinced that they will not back the next Trump wannabe (they would not have despised Trump so much if he had not had a history of expressing open contempt for the military).

I've seen lots of reassurances about oaths of service to the constitution and military honor, etc.. It's easy to not back up Trump and keep those oaths that way when you despise Trump in the first place. The problem is that if you do not despise the next Trump you will merely rationalize your support and say that upholding the Constitution required you too. I'm sure someone like Mike Flynn probably tells himself and others something like that.

Maybe you need to destroy the Constitution in order to save it, right?
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:32 PM   #846
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Check out Snopes. It's real.
Yes, as far as I can tell, Snopes only returns the link to the photograph I mentioned: the one of a different event.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/proud-boy-6mwe/
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:40 PM   #847
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A letter making the rounds, saying Trump will STILL be President another 4 years and shares how that will happen. Penned by the Republican chair of Nye County in Nevada (Jan 8).

It's a long letter but the link to it is in the news article here:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...er-four-years/

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Let me be clear: Trump will be president for another four years. Biden will not be president. Yes, I know those are shocking words in these crazy days.

I have been approached by many saying, “It’s over…” and “Trump conceded the election…”. Nothing of the sort has taken place. Go back and listen to the videos all the way through. At no point does Trump even mention Biden’s name. At no point does he say he concedes. He does say that there will be a peaceful transition to a new administration and he does say that this is only the beginning. Those phrases are important to note. Indeed, we will have a new administration made up of a new vice president and cabinet as the current ones have all made their treason complete. I will touch on this in more detail shortly. ....
The comments supporting it are quite concerning!

* apologies if this was already posted . Did a search and didnt see it.

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Old 10th January 2021, 05:41 PM   #848
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
They are so mean to them! First this woman got maced, now this guy gets put on a no-fly list? All for a coup attempt that terrified the US populace (the sane part, at least), disgraced the USA in the eyes of the world and killed five people?
Another Capitol Police officer died involved in the melee today. But it is unknown as to the reason.
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:46 PM   #849
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's pathetic that it's days later and we're still "tracking these guys down."

None of them should have been allowed to leave the scene. All the ones who passed the Capitol threshold should have been arrested on the spot.
With reinforcements so slow in arriving, I think if they had tried to do that, they might not have been able to secure the building sufficiently for Congress to reconvene. No question, many will slip through the cracks that way, but I believe it was important for the certification to continue that evening instead of being postponed until the next day.
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Old 10th January 2021, 05:58 PM   #850
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
A letter making the rounds, saying Trump will STILL be President another 4 years and shares how that will happen. Penned by the Republican chair of Nye County in Nevada (Jan 8).

It's a long letter but the link to it is in the news article here:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...er-four-years/



The comments supporting it are quite concerning!

* apologies if this was already posted . Did a search and didnt see it.
At the top of the letter is this:
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Update: some have asked why I didn’t sign my name to this post. The answer is simple: the intended audience was our rural membership and they all know me.
I think this tells us all we need to know about him and his situational awareness. Is he that clueless he doesn't know how the Web he's posting on works?
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Old 10th January 2021, 06:41 PM   #851
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On the morning of Jan. 6, Ginni Thomas—wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas—endorsed the protest demanding that Congress overturn the election, then sent her “LOVE” to the demonstrators, who violently overtook the Capitol several hours later. She has not posted since.
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Old 10th January 2021, 06:47 PM   #852
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
A letter making the rounds, saying Trump will STILL be President another 4 years and shares how that will happen. Penned by the Republican chair of Nye County in Nevada (Jan 8).

It's a long letter but the link to it is in the news article here:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...er-four-years/

The comments supporting it are quite concerning!

* apologies if this was already posted . Did a search and didnt see it.
It's sad to see people lose their minds like this.
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Old 10th January 2021, 06:50 PM   #853
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
A letter making the rounds, saying Trump will STILL be President another 4 years and shares how that will happen. Penned by the Republican chair of Nye County in Nevada (Jan 8).

It's a long letter but the link to it is in the news article here:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...er-four-years/



The comments supporting it are quite concerning!

* apologies if this was already posted . Did a search and didnt see it.
On the one hand it's quite true that Trump doesn't concede in his "concession" video and doesn't mention Biden. On the other hand it doesn't matter a jot because Trump loses his powers whether he accepts it or not. So however much his fans may wish for him to have some magical trick left up his sleeve, their earnest wishes are not going to be granted.

But interestingly the video does contain edits which may well have made the speech appear more conciliatory and less mean-spirited than it really was. The widely quoted sentence "Now Congress has certified the results a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th" has an edit in the middle, somewhat disguised by a switch of cameras but the audio sounds like a different take.

So it was actually two sentences, spoken at different times and spliced together: "Now Congress has certified the results." and then "A new administration will be inaugurated on January 20th". Whether Trump expressed an opinion about the certification or about those who would form the new administration, we were not shown. I don't know if this has any significance; probably not, but I can't help wondering if he just couldn't help himself and several outbursts of fantasy nonsense had to be chopped out.
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Old 10th January 2021, 06:51 PM   #854
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Originally Posted by eerok View Post
It's sad to see people lose their minds like this.
You're presuming he had a mind to begin with. This is debatable.
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Old 10th January 2021, 06:58 PM   #855
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You're presuming he had a mind to begin with. This is debatable.
It's also sad to see people lose their porridge.
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Old 10th January 2021, 07:19 PM   #856
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Yikes...

https://www.politicalflare.com/2021/...-during-riots/
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Why does she hate uneducated gun owners?
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"They call me a ******* terrorist; they wanna ruin my ******* life!" (If I'm hearing him right, hard to tell with all the crybaby sobbing) No, whineyboy, "they" didn't do anything- you did that all by yourself. "Party of personal responsibility," right?
Trump left that part out of his speech. The consequences bit.
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It's sad to see people lose their minds like this.

Sadder to know that there are respected people in leadership positions that léad a flock of ignorant sheep down a rabbit hole.
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Oh, look! An active duty Special Forces psychological operations officer leading 100 paramilitary LARPing hicks on the "rally"!

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-elections-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace
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There were also current and former members of the U.S. military in the mob.

Commanders at the U.S. Army’s 1st Special Forces Command at Fort Bragg in North Carolina are investigating Capt. Emily Rainey’s involvement in the Wednesday rally. The 30-year-old psychological operations officer told the AP she led 100 members of Moore County Citizens for Freedom who traveled to Washington to “stand against election fraud” and support Trump. She insisted she acted within Army regulations and that no one in her group broke the law.

“I was a private citizen and doing everything right and within my rights,” Rainey told the AP.
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Originally Posted by Sherkeu View Post
A letter making the rounds, saying Trump will STILL be President another 4 years and shares how that will happen. Penned by the Republican chair of Nye County in Nevada (Jan 8).

It's a long letter but the link to it is in the news article here:

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-...er-four-years/

The comments supporting it are quite concerning!

* apologies if this was already posted . Did a search and didnt see it.
I am still worried that Trump is not done and that might be planning more trouble.

But admittedly I'm less concerned now that I see thousands of National Guardsmen deploying to the Capitol. It should be noted that National Guard units are deploying to some State Capitols incuding the State of Washington.
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I am still worried that Trump is not done and that might be planning more trouble.

But admittedly I'm less concerned now that I see thousands of National Guardsmen deploying to the Capitol. It should be noted that National Guard units are deploying to some State Capitols incuding the State of Washington.
All 50 states need to harden their main state government installations.
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I am still worried that Trump is not done and that might be planning more trouble.

But admittedly I'm less concerned now that I see thousands of National Guardsmen deploying to the Capitol. It should be noted that National Guard units are deploying to some State Capitols incuding the State of Washington.
If fighting breaks out, I hope they're all fighting on the right side.
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P.O.S. needs a big can of whoopass dropped on her.
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I think she has some explaining to do at a minimum; at a maximum she needs a trip to Club Fed.
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If fighting breaks out, I hope they're all fighting on the right side.
They will be.
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I think she has some explaining to do at a minimum; at a maximum she needs a trip to Club Fed.
There seem to be too many coincidences. The guys with zip tie handcuffs, radio communications between the rioters, the tweeting by the Congresswoman. These people were ready to take actions that was intended to take hostages and destroy democracy.
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They will be.
I hope you're right. But don't forget that their Commander in Chief is Donald J Trump.
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Well, this is interesting.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1348115530654347266

These are not lone actors.

Why are they staged there?

Did they come into the Capitol building?

If they did not, did they plan to?

Are they related to the group of 100 LARPers I mentioned above?

P.S. My referring of them as LARPers is not meant to diminish the seriousness of what they represent. At one point what they do can become something else other than pretending. On the 6th, that could have meant dead politicians.
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Well, this is interesting.

https://twitter.com/jsrailton/status/1348115530654347266

These are not lone actors.

Why are they staged there?

Did they come into the Capitol building?

If they did not, did they plan to?

Are they related to the group of 100 LARPers I mentioned above?

P.S. My referring of them as LARPers is not meant to diminish the seriousness of what they represent. At one point what they do can become something else other than pretending. On the 6th, that could have meant dead politicians.
They're clearly not lone actors. But what that means is a mystery. Keep in mind that the Proud Boys dress and act like that. Not saying that is who they are, just that they could be.

I didn't know what LARPers were until I just now Googled it.
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I think they let them go away to prevent any more disturbances or resistance. Better to pick them one by one in isolation later than trying to tackle hundreds-strong mob.

So yes, I think it was correct choice.
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Footage of the "Mainly Peaceful Protestors"(as one guy here insists on callling them beating up a Capitol Policeman:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/0...ge-sot-vpx.cnn

Such lovely people.
Reminds me Alex's gang beating up the drunk in "A Clockwork Orange".
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Old 11th January 2021, 03:45 AM   #873
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Footage of the "Mainly Peaceful Protestors"(as one guy here insists on callling them beating up a Capitol Policeman:
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/0...ge-sot-vpx.cnn

Such lovely people.
Reminds me Alex's gang beating up the drunk in "A Clockwork Orange".
This is disgusting. Traitors to America. The most vile people I could imagine.

Worse than Radial Islamic Terrorists because these are own people. Not somebody from a foreign country. Our own citizens attempting to defeat the very principles and foundations of this nation.
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I’m assuming comments on the rumors that we should expect martial law around January 19 belong in this thread.

Might he become unbalanced enough to say “if the courts will not decide that I am president, then the courts are not working. And if the courts aren’t working then martial law is the only response”?
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I’m assuming comments on the rumors that we should expect martial law around January 19 belong in this thread.

Might he become unbalanced enough to say “if the courts will not decide that I am president, then the courts are not working. And if the courts aren’t working then martial law is the only response”?
I don't think that Trump has the intellect to go that route. His response to stuff he doesn't like is basically just stamping his feet and flinging stuff around and bawling. It takes a lot of effort to impose and maintain Martial law.
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<...contd>

There will be a lot of poo flung around though.
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I don't think that Trump has the intellect to go that route. His response to stuff he doesn't like is basically just stamping his feet and flinging stuff around and bawling. It takes a lot of effort to impose and maintain Martial law.
I can imagine he might declare that he wants martial law to be imposed on the 19th. If the people he declares it to have any sense, their response will be "Yes sir, we'll get back to you on the details," followed by insurmountable difficulties in contacting them for the next 48 hours.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
I can imagine he might declare that he wants martial law to be imposed on the 19th. If the people he declares it to have any sense, their response will be "Yes sir, we'll get back to you on the details," followed by insurmountable difficulties in contacting them for the next 48 hours.

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It strikes me that President Trump is quite lazy and really doesn't follow through. He expects that announcing something once will just cause it to happen - it probably wouldn't occur to him to ask for a progress update until the idea pops back into his head again.
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Why is Trump not calling in to Fox or another TV outlet?

Because Pat Cipollone is sitting on him 24/7 would be my guess.
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It strikes me that President Trump is quite lazy and really doesn't follow through. He expects that announcing something once will just cause it to happen - it probably wouldn't occur to him to ask for a progress update until the idea pops back into his head again.
Remember the parades he wanted?
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