[Continuation] Trump’s Coup - Part 2 - Page 24

pgwenthold · 11th January 2021, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by TragicMonkey

Romney did have a plan. A wonderful plan! But he accidentally left the binders full of his plan on top of his car, where the dog ate it.

You are all missing the obvious.

Romney is going to present a plan similar to that they implemented when he was governor of Massachussetts.

JoeMorgue · 11th January 2021, 09:55 AM

So we're back to more "Trump isn't uniquely bad" apologetics.

Yeah screw - in no uncertain terms - all of that.

The Don · 11th January 2021, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

So we're back to more "Trump isn't uniquely bad" apologetics.

Yeah screw - in no uncertain terms - all of that.

Trump is a terrible human being and probably the worst US President ever.

Part of his being worst is that he has been incredibly ineffective. Mitt Romney OTOH would likely have done far more to undermine the US because he'd have been more effective at getting his policies enacted and have had twice as long to achieve it.

If Mitt Romney had been elected President in 2016 then the US in 2024 could have been in a far worse place that it may be after 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden/Harris.

The divisions which fuelled Trumpism would simply be even wider and deeper and the economic and social damage would be even worse IMO.

Matthew Best · 11th January 2021, 10:04 AM

So he was terrible. But he wasn't any good at being terrible, which makes him worse.

Thank goodness he was elected!

dudalb · 11th January 2021, 10:35 AM

Maybe we should move this Romney discussion to another thread and stick to topics directly connected to the Coup?

cosmicaug · 11th January 2021, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Given that it was essentially his own policy adopted by the Democrats as something they could actually force through, quite possibly not.

Dave

The joke during that election was that he was for it before he was against it and that Obama was against it before he was for it.

But yeah, nothing would have changed on this front compared to Trump just because of a little thing like how Obamacare was essentially Romneycare.

JoeMorgue · 11th January 2021, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Maybe we should move this Romney discussion to another thread and stick to topics directly connected to the Coup?

It's a "Whataboutism." It being here is the point.

Ambrosia · 11th January 2021, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They invaded the Capitol wanting to kill Pelosi, Pence and others in order to install Trump as the "rightful" POTUS....

But we can't call it a coup?

One can only refer to it as a coup darling if it's from the Coup d'etat region of France.

Otherwise it's just sparkling white terrorism.

acbytesla · 11th January 2021, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Why ?

Let's say that he ran in 2016 and was successful, would there have been any significant difference in policy ?

Some for sure. He wouldn't have had the immigration policies. He would have been much better on foreign policy and the military.

Originally Posted by The Don

Would he have tried to dismantle the ACA ?

Probably not.

Originally Posted by The Don

Would he have implemented a tax cut and exploded the deficit ?

yes

Originally Posted by The Don

Would he have taken every opportunity to add conservatives to SCOTUS ?

yes

Originally Posted by The Don

Would he have decreased environmental protections ?

Some for sure.

Originally Posted by The Don

The only possible difference IMO would have been w.r.t. the response to Covid, but there are still enough idiots in charge of states to ensure a massive death toll in any case.

My guess is the idiots at the State level would have followed the leader of their party. Trump's biggest political mistake was his reaction to COVID. If Trump hadn't resisted and contradicted the scientists and made safety a patriotic duty of every American, my guess is most of the idiots would have been on board and Trump would have won reelection.

cosmicaug · 11th January 2021, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by eerok

Those look like the feds who went in to extract Babbit after she was shot. They left with her and didn't return.

I don't know what they are but they are clearly not law enforcement (much less FBI).

Cain · 11th January 2021, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by thaiboxerken

They invaded the Capitol wanting to kill Pelosi, Pence and others in order to install Trump as the "rightful" POTUS....

But we can't call it a coup?

I guess you could call it a Trumpian coup, where "Trumpian" is a synonym for "retarded."

erwinl · 11th January 2021, 11:14 AM

If I read all these things together, thr Coup attempt, but more all the GOP machinations concerning voter disenfranchisement, you kinda have to feel sorry for the GOP (well not really, but Schadenfreude is also a kind of a feeling).

There they were, at least since the era of Nixon, manipulating everything in order not only to stay in power, but also to cement this power for all time. Always twisting and bending the rules to suit their wants.

And after all those years, al these elections, all these manipulations, not only did their Kwisatz Haderach come too soon, it also was an incompetent buffoon like Trump, who destroyed everything.

acbytesla · 11th January 2021, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

I guess you could call it a Trumpian coup, where "Trumpian" is a synonym for "retarded."

This ain't over yet. Trump's minions are still working to complete the coup.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Breaking the law (which she was) is irrelevant. Her backpack is irrelevant. Breaking through that door was reasonably perceived as a threat to life and stopping it needed to be that officer's highest priority. His position at that moment should have been that he needed to shoot once to stop her and hope that he had enough bullets left to use on whoever would be following her (fortunately no one else tried).

What about the guy with the bushy black beard frantically smashing the glass to begin with, with some kind of block, together another guy smashing the other window, despite there being a whole pile of furniture piled up behind it to keep them out. Had they not succeeded in smashing this heavily reinforced glass, Babbitt would not have had the opportunity to try to burst through it. So those two guys should be identified and charged with felony murder.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

That would take some foresight, but it could be.

<snip>
I always tell my students this story at the beginning of the semester, and warn them that if they don't want the university to know where they are, they need to turn off the wifi on their phones. If the wifi is on, the university can track your location all over campus.

The safest thing to do is put it into flight mode, as off is not necessarily off at all. See how those 'notifications' still come through!

Mind you those 'demonstrators' didn't seem to mind being recognised. Imagine zip-tie guy going to all that trouble to dress like a paramilitary and then he's spotted with his dear old mum.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement.

Would it necessarily work in a crowd? I recall after 7/7 bombing in London struggling to make my way home by foot and could not get through to my office at all as so many people were using it the whole network was crashing (plus I suspect a deliberate blackout).

The Don · 11th January 2021, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Matthew Best

So he was terrible. But he wasn't any good at being terrible, which makes him worse.

Thank goodness he was elected!

More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%.

dmaker · 11th January 2021, 12:13 PM

Anyone who might feel like mainlining some pure Schadenfreude may want to check out #NoFlyList

If you are offended by seeing MAGA rioters dragged away crying in handcuffs, then you may want to pass.

Rather disturbingly one of them yells out "...you are treating me like a black person" while being cuffed on the ground. Sad.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey

Video out that shows the fash beating a downed police officer on the steps, it is widely believed this is the cop that later died from a trauma induced stroke.

Effort underway to identify those seen in the many videos and photos.

https://twitter.com/No_Nazis_Please/...33093647675395

CHUDs singing the national anthem while murdering a cop.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/video/...003754604.html

I don't think that was Sicknick.

dudalb · 11th January 2021, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%.

He still would have been a lot better then Trump, he would not have posed a threat to democracy itself.

Meadmaker · 11th January 2021, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by erwinl

If I read all these things together, thr Coup attempt, but more all the GOP machinations concerning voter disenfranchisement, you kinda have to feel sorry for the GOP (well not really, but Schadenfreude is also a kind of a feeling).

There they were, at least since the era of Nixon, manipulating everything in order not only to stay in power, but also to cement this power for all time. Always twisting and bending the rules to suit their wants.

And after all those years, al these elections, all these manipulations, not only did their Kwisatz Haderach come too soon, it also was an incompetent buffoon like Trump, who destroyed everything.

I'm picturing Trump as a character from Short Attention Span Shakespeare.

He is born into wealth, and spends his whole life amassing wealth and power, but it's never enough. Surrounded by other rich and powerful, he doesn't understand that they are either people who have latched onto him to use him for their own schemes, or obsessive toadies who truly follow him, but he discards when he is done with him. However, he doesn't actually have the ability to maintain power. His empire starts to crumble in the losing election. Exiled, he assembles a ragtag army for a final battle to reclaim his throne, but no worthy soldiers join his cause. The ones he thought were friends abandon him. His horde of ne'er do wells is slaughtered, and he is left mumbling on the field, "A tweet. A tweet. My kingdom for a tweet."

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

Yes, a genuine severe immediate threat existed that would have involved multiple killings of people who were no threat: Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schumer, members of "The Squad", assorted Republicans perceived to be insufficiently supportive of Dear Leader, anyone with a D after their name (in that approximate order),

I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV.

Bob001 · 11th January 2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by The Don

More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%.

I wouldn't want Romney to be President, but I seem him as a responsible public servant. He had a generally good reputation as governor of Massachusetts, where he created the health care plan that became a model for Obamacare. He was the only Republican senator to vote to impeach Trump. Any Republican would promote lower taxes, less regulation and right-wing judges, but I don't think he'd be as rabid as many other Repubs.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

Trump encouraged a coup attempt on Wednesday and he’s still president four days later.
How is that possible?

He's like the Queen. Above the law and can only be removed by an act of (democratic) government.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Well obviously the "six million not enough" was from a fan of the old six million dollar man tv series, and wanted a reboot or sequel.

(In keeping with all the other lame excuses made by the rioters and their enablers)

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Yeah, he does look like Steve McQueen....NOT!

pgwenthold · 11th January 2021, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

The safest thing to do is put it into flight mode, as off is not necessarily off at all. See how those 'notifications' still come through!

Ah, no, not at all.

Flight mode will still connect to the wifi.

What they need to do is the other way - turn off the wifi and just use the phone signal.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

He wasn't a very good Governor but Schwarzenegger is a true patriot. But I would feel a little better about that speech if it didn't include the theatrics. (See the music and the flag waving at the end) Arnold understands showmanship.

My thoughts, exactly. Pretty sure that sword he was wielding was likely plastic and not beaten into shape anywhere near a smith's fire.

Bob001 · 11th January 2021, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV.

There is extensive reporting that some rioters intended to kill or kidnap senior officials and said so, just as some plotted to murder the Michigan governor. Some rioters were carrying plastic handcuffs. You can't dismiss the worst possibilities so casually.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

They are so mean to them! First this woman got maced, now this guy gets put on a no-fly list? All for a coup attempt that terrified the US populace (the sane part, at least), disgraced the USA in the eyes of the world and killed five people?

Well, I'm in Finland and I was hiding behind the sofa.

<is it safe to come out yet?>

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I'm picturing Trump as a character from Short Attention Span Shakespeare.

He is born into wealth, and spends his whole life amassing wealth and power, but it's never enough. Surrounded by other rich and powerful, he doesn't understand that they are either people who have latched onto him to use him for their own schemes, or obsessive toadies who truly follow him, but he discards when he is done with him. However, he doesn't actually have the ability to maintain power. His empire starts to crumble in the losing election. Exiled, he assembles a ragtag army for a final battle to reclaim his throne, but no worthy soldiers join his cause. The ones he thought were friends abandon him. His horde of ne'er do wells is slaughtered, and he is left mumbling on the field, "A tweet. A tweet. My kingdom for a tweet."

Trump has certainly met his nemesis in Melania. Was reading the statement she put out today. <fx knocks knuckles on table> She really is as thick as two broad planks.

Vixen · 11th January 2021, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Bob001

There is extensive reporting that some rioters intended to kill or kidnap senior officials and said so, just as some plotted to murder the Michigan governor. Some rioters were carrying plastic handcuffs. You can't dismiss the worst possibilities so casually.

I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'.

dirtywick · 11th January 2021, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV.

they did set up a gallows

dirtywick · 11th January 2021, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'.

out of curiosity, if i were to show up at your job, set up a gallows outside, and walked around inside looking for you while shouting “hang vixen” with some zip ties how serious would that be taken

turingtest · 11th January 2021, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by dmaker

Anyone who might feel like mainlining some pure Schadenfreude may want to check out #NoFlyList

If you are offended by seeing MAGA rioters dragged away crying in handcuffs, then you may want to pass.

Rather disturbingly one of them yells out "...you are treating me like a black person" while being cuffed on the ground. Sad.

Gotta be careful about those, though. I don't know if the one referred to earlier here in this thread, where the guy is sobbing about "they call me a ******* terrorist; they wanna ruin my ******* life!" (and which I fell right into) is among them; but that was, apparently, nothing at all to do with no-fly lists (Newsweek)- it was a guy upset because he'd been kicked off a flight for refusing to wear a mask.

cosmicaug · 11th January 2021, 01:12 PM

I'm sure it must be a hack but the State Department website says Trump's term ends today (or has already ended if we are talking UTC time).

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

The Sun picked it up:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13713977/donald-trump-state-department-term-ended-today/

thaiboxerken · 11th January 2021, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by turingtest

Gotta be careful about those, though. I don't know if the one referred to earlier here in this thread, where the guy is sobbing about "they call me a ******* terrorist; they wanna ruin my ******* life!" (and which I fell right into) is among them; but that was, apparently, nothing at all to do with no-fly lists (Newsweek)- it was a guy upset because he'd been kicked off a flight for refusing to wear a mask.

That's even more hilarious!

cosmicaug · 11th January 2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

I'm sure it must be a hack but the State Department website says Trump's term ends today (or has already ended if we are talking UTC time).

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

The Sun picked it up:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13713977/donald-trump-state-department-term-ended-today/

https://www.state.gov/biographies/ redirects to the US Pakistan's Women's Council.

Silly Green Monkey · 11th January 2021, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Vixen

I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'.

Gallows. On the Capitol lawn. Coupists yelling 'kill them' as they smash into the building. The dots are close enough together that you don't need to draw lines, and if you try to draw any other picture, you'll not be able to use all the dots.

pgwenthold · 11th January 2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

I'm sure it must be a hack but the State Department website says Trump's term ends today (or has already ended if we are talking UTC time).

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

The Sun picked it up:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13713977/donald-trump-state-department-term-ended-today/

I heard it was both Trump and Pence.

And that would be just awesome. Trump and Pence both resign today, to leave Nancy Pelosi as President for the week. A major middle finger to the Trumpets.

Too bad it's not true, but that would have been funny.

cosmicaug · 11th January 2021, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

https://www.state.gov/biographies/ redirects to the US Pakistan's Women's Council.

Hack. Blamed on a disgruntled staffer.

https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/1348725601335717889

Quote:

UPDATE: Sources tell
@BuzzFeedNews
a "disgruntled staffer" is behind the State Department site's change of Trump and Pence's biographies. More TK.

11th January 2021, 09:52 AM	#921
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,228	Originally Posted by TragicMonkey Romney did have a plan. A wonderful plan! But he accidentally left the binders full of his plan on top of his car, where the dog ate it. You are all missing the obvious. Romney is going to present a plan similar to that they implemented when he was governor of Massachussetts.
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11th January 2021, 09:55 AM	#922
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	So we're back to more "Trump isn't uniquely bad" apologetics. Yeah screw - in no uncertain terms - all of that.
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11th January 2021, 10:35 AM	#925
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Maybe we should move this Romney discussion to another thread and stick to topics directly connected to the Coup?
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11th January 2021, 10:57 AM	#926
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Given that it was essentially his own policy adopted by the Democrats as something they could actually force through, quite possibly not. Dave The joke during that election was that he was for it before he was against it and that Obama was against it before he was for it. But yeah, nothing would have changed on this front compared to Trump just because of a little thing like how Obamacare was essentially Romneycare.
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11th January 2021, 10:59 AM	#927
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Originally Posted by dudalb Maybe we should move this Romney discussion to another thread and stick to topics directly connected to the Coup? It's a "Whataboutism." It being here is the point.
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11th January 2021, 10:01 AM	#923
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,629	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue So we're back to more "Trump isn't uniquely bad" apologetics. Yeah screw - in no uncertain terms - all of that. Trump is a terrible human being and probably the worst US President ever. Part of his being worst is that he has been incredibly ineffective. Mitt Romney OTOH would likely have done far more to undermine the US because he'd have been more effective at getting his policies enacted and have had twice as long to achieve it. If Mitt Romney had been elected President in 2016 then the US in 2024 could have been in a far worse place that it may be after 4 years of Trump and 4 years of Biden/Harris. The divisions which fuelled Trumpism would simply be even wider and deeper and the economic and social damage would be even worse IMO.

11th January 2021, 10:04 AM	#924
Matthew Best Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Leicester Square, London Posts: 8,450	So he was terrible. But he wasn't any good at being terrible, which makes him worse. Thank goodness he was elected!

11th January 2021, 11:06 AM	#928
Ambrosia Good of the Fods Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,675	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken They invaded the Capitol wanting to kill Pelosi, Pence and others in order to install Trump as the "rightful" POTUS.... But we can't call it a coup? One can only refer to it as a coup darling if it's from the Coup d'etat region of France. Otherwise it's just sparkling white terrorism.

11th January 2021, 11:08 AM	#929
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by The Don Why ? Let's say that he ran in 2016 and was successful, would there have been any significant difference in policy ? Some for sure. He wouldn't have had the immigration policies. He would have been much better on foreign policy and the military. Originally Posted by The Don Would he have tried to dismantle the ACA ? Probably not. Originally Posted by The Don Would he have implemented a tax cut and exploded the deficit ? yes Originally Posted by The Don Would he have taken every opportunity to add conservatives to SCOTUS ? yes Originally Posted by The Don Would he have decreased environmental protections ? Some for sure. Originally Posted by The Don The only possible difference IMO would have been w.r.t. the response to Covid, but there are still enough idiots in charge of states to ensure a massive death toll in any case. My guess is the idiots at the State level would have followed the leader of their party. Trump's biggest political mistake was his reaction to COVID. If Trump hadn't resisted and contradicted the scientists and made safety a patriotic duty of every American, my guess is most of the idiots would have been on board and Trump would have won reelection.
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11th January 2021, 11:08 AM	#930
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	Originally Posted by eerok Those look like the feds who went in to extract Babbit after she was shot. They left with her and didn't return. I don't know what they are but they are clearly not law enforcement (much less FBI).
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11th January 2021, 11:11 AM	#931
Cain Straussian Join Date: May 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 14,306	Originally Posted by thaiboxerken They invaded the Capitol wanting to kill Pelosi, Pence and others in order to install Trump as the "rightful" POTUS.... But we can't call it a coup? I guess you could call it a Trumpian coup, where "Trumpian" is a synonym for "retarded."
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11th January 2021, 11:14 AM	#932
erwinl Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,787	If I read all these things together, thr Coup attempt, but more all the GOP machinations concerning voter disenfranchisement, you kinda have to feel sorry for the GOP (well not really, but Schadenfreude is also a kind of a feeling). There they were, at least since the era of Nixon, manipulating everything in order not only to stay in power, but also to cement this power for all time. Always twisting and bending the rules to suit their wants. And after all those years, al these elections, all these manipulations, not only did their Kwisatz Haderach come too soon, it also was an incompetent buffoon like Trump, who destroyed everything.
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11th January 2021, 11:23 AM	#933
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by Cain I guess you could call it a Trumpian coup, where "Trumpian" is a synonym for "retarded." This ain't over yet. Trump's minions are still working to complete the coup.
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11th January 2021, 11:56 AM	#934
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Breaking the law (which she was) is irrelevant. Her backpack is irrelevant. Breaking through that door was reasonably perceived as a threat to life and stopping it needed to be that officer's highest priority. His position at that moment should have been that he needed to shoot once to stop her and hope that he had enough bullets left to use on whoever would be following her (fortunately no one else tried). What about the guy with the bushy black beard frantically smashing the glass to begin with, with some kind of block, together another guy smashing the other window, despite there being a whole pile of furniture piled up behind it to keep them out. Had they not succeeded in smashing this heavily reinforced glass, Babbitt would not have had the opportunity to try to burst through it. So those two guys should be identified and charged with felony murder.
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11th January 2021, 12:01 PM	#935
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by pgwenthold That would take some foresight, but it could be. <snip> I always tell my students this story at the beginning of the semester, and warn them that if they don't want the university to know where they are, they need to turn off the wifi on their phones. If the wifi is on, the university can track your location all over campus. The safest thing to do is put it into flight mode, as off is not necessarily off at all. See how those 'notifications' still come through! Mind you those 'demonstrators' didn't seem to mind being recognised. Imagine zip-tie guy going to all that trouble to dress like a paramilitary and then he's spotted with his dear old mum.
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11th January 2021, 12:06 PM	#936
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by acbytesla Your cell phone has multiple radios in it. A cell phone radio, a GPS radio, a WIFI radio, a bluetooth radio. Depending on what is running, the cell antenna and base station can log a tremendous amount of data including your GPS location which can pinpoint your location within feet. However, it might not be able to know say what floor you're on. But there are many reasons why the carrier would only log a minimum amout of that data and not have that data available for law enforcement. Would it necessarily work in a crowd? I recall after 7/7 bombing in London struggling to make my way home by foot and could not get through to my office at all as so many people were using it the whole network was crashing (plus I suspect a deliberate blackout).
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11th January 2021, 12:11 PM	#937
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,629	Originally Posted by Matthew Best So he was terrible. But he wasn't any good at being terrible, which makes him worse. Thank goodness he was elected! More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%.

11th January 2021, 12:13 PM	#938
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,690	Anyone who might feel like mainlining some pure Schadenfreude may want to check out #NoFlyList If you are offended by seeing MAGA rioters dragged away crying in handcuffs, then you may want to pass. Rather disturbingly one of them yells out "...you are treating me like a black person" while being cuffed on the ground. Sad.
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11th January 2021, 12:15 PM	#939
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey Video out that shows the fash beating a downed police officer on the steps, it is widely believed this is the cop that later died from a trauma induced stroke. Effort underway to identify those seen in the many videos and photos. https://twitter.com/No_Nazis_Please/...33093647675395 CHUDs singing the national anthem while murdering a cop. https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/video/...003754604.html I don't think that was Sicknick.
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11th January 2021, 12:15 PM	#940
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by The Don More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%. He still would have been a lot better then Trump, he would not have posed a threat to democracy itself.
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11th January 2021, 12:16 PM	#941
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,543	Originally Posted by erwinl If I read all these things together, thr Coup attempt, but more all the GOP machinations concerning voter disenfranchisement, you kinda have to feel sorry for the GOP (well not really, but Schadenfreude is also a kind of a feeling). There they were, at least since the era of Nixon, manipulating everything in order not only to stay in power, but also to cement this power for all time. Always twisting and bending the rules to suit their wants. And after all those years, al these elections, all these manipulations, not only did their Kwisatz Haderach come too soon, it also was an incompetent buffoon like Trump, who destroyed everything. I'm picturing Trump as a character from Short Attention Span Shakespeare. He is born into wealth, and spends his whole life amassing wealth and power, but it's never enough. Surrounded by other rich and powerful, he doesn't understand that they are either people who have latched onto him to use him for their own schemes, or obsessive toadies who truly follow him, but he discards when he is done with him. However, he doesn't actually have the ability to maintain power. His empire starts to crumble in the losing election. Exiled, he assembles a ragtag army for a final battle to reclaim his throne, but no worthy soldiers join his cause. The ones he thought were friends abandon him. His horde of ne'er do wells is slaughtered, and he is left mumbling on the field, "A tweet. A tweet. My kingdom for a tweet."
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11th January 2021, 12:21 PM	#942
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by cosmicaug Yes, a genuine severe immediate threat existed that would have involved multiple killings of people who were no threat: Mike Pence, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schumer, members of "The Squad", assorted Republicans perceived to be insufficiently supportive of Dear Leader, anyone with a D after their name (in that approximate order), I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV.
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11th January 2021, 12:22 PM	#943
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,029	Originally Posted by The Don More like don't wish for Romney because he wouldn't be much better and he would have been far more effective at implementing the GOP agenda which damages all but the top 1%. I wouldn't want Romney to be President, but I seem him as a responsible public servant. He had a generally good reputation as governor of Massachusetts, where he created the health care plan that became a model for Obamacare. He was the only Republican senator to vote to impeach Trump. Any Republican would promote lower taxes, less regulation and right-wing judges, but I don't think he'd be as rabid as many other Repubs.

11th January 2021, 12:24 PM	#944
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop Trump encouraged a coup attempt on Wednesday and he’s still president four days later. How is that possible? He's like the Queen. Above the law and can only be removed by an act of (democratic) government.
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11th January 2021, 12:26 PM	#945
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Well obviously the "six million not enough" was from a fan of the old six million dollar man tv series, and wanted a reboot or sequel. (In keeping with all the other lame excuses made by the rioters and their enablers) Sent from my LM-X320 using Tapatalk Yeah, he does look like Steve McQueen....NOT!
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11th January 2021, 12:29 PM	#946
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,228	Originally Posted by Vixen The safest thing to do is put it into flight mode, as off is not necessarily off at all. See how those 'notifications' still come through! Ah, no, not at all. Flight mode will still connect to the wifi. What they need to do is the other way - turn off the wifi and just use the phone signal.
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11th January 2021, 12:30 PM	#947
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by acbytesla He wasn't a very good Governor but Schwarzenegger is a true patriot. But I would feel a little better about that speech if it didn't include the theatrics. (See the music and the flag waving at the end) Arnold understands showmanship. My thoughts, exactly. Pretty sure that sword he was wielding was likely plastic and not beaten into shape anywhere near a smith's fire.
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11th January 2021, 12:31 PM	#948
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 13,029	Originally Posted by Vixen I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV. There is extensive reporting that some rioters intended to kill or kidnap senior officials and said so, just as some plotted to murder the Michigan governor. Some rioters were carrying plastic handcuffs. You can't dismiss the worst possibilities so casually.

11th January 2021, 12:35 PM	#949
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper They are so mean to them! First this woman got maced, now this guy gets put on a no-fly list? All for a coup attempt that terrified the US populace (the sane part, at least), disgraced the USA in the eyes of the world and killed five people? Well, I'm in Finland and I was hiding behind the sofa. <is it safe to come out yet?>
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11th January 2021, 12:57 PM	#950
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I'm picturing Trump as a character from Short Attention Span Shakespeare. He is born into wealth, and spends his whole life amassing wealth and power, but it's never enough. Surrounded by other rich and powerful, he doesn't understand that they are either people who have latched onto him to use him for their own schemes, or obsessive toadies who truly follow him, but he discards when he is done with him. However, he doesn't actually have the ability to maintain power. His empire starts to crumble in the losing election. Exiled, he assembles a ragtag army for a final battle to reclaim his throne, but no worthy soldiers join his cause. The ones he thought were friends abandon him. His horde of ne'er do wells is slaughtered, and he is left mumbling on the field, "A tweet. A tweet. My kingdom for a tweet." Trump has certainly met his nemesis in Melania. Was reading the statement she put out today. <fx knocks knuckles on table> She really is as thick as two broad planks.
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11th January 2021, 01:02 PM	#951
Vixen Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 21,643	Originally Posted by Bob001 There is extensive reporting that some rioters intended to kill or kidnap senior officials and said so, just as some plotted to murder the Michigan governor. Some rioters were carrying plastic handcuffs. You can't dismiss the worst possibilities so casually. I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'.
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11th January 2021, 01:07 PM	#952
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,341	Originally Posted by Vixen I don't think we should be talking about what massacres and lynchings might have occurred. Best stick to what actually did occur, until there is evidence otherwise. Simply chanting 'Hang Pence' isn't really establishing 'intent to kill' IMV. they did set up a gallows
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11th January 2021, 01:08 PM	#953
dirtywick Illuminator Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 3,341	Originally Posted by Vixen I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'. out of curiosity, if i were to show up at your job, set up a gallows outside, and walked around inside looking for you while shouting “hang vixen” with some zip ties how serious would that be taken
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11th January 2021, 01:11 PM	#954
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,737	Originally Posted by dmaker Anyone who might feel like mainlining some pure Schadenfreude may want to check out #NoFlyList If you are offended by seeing MAGA rioters dragged away crying in handcuffs, then you may want to pass. Rather disturbingly one of them yells out "...you are treating me like a black person" while being cuffed on the ground. Sad. Gotta be careful about those, though. I don't know if the one referred to earlier here in this thread, where the guy is sobbing about "they call me a ***** terrorist; they wanna ruin my ***** life!" (and which I fell right into) is among them; but that was, apparently, nothing at all to do with no-fly lists (Newsweek)- it was a guy upset because he'd been kicked off a flight for refusing to wear a mask.
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11th January 2021, 01:12 PM	#955
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	I'm sure it must be a hack but the State Department website says Trump's term ends today (or has already ended if we are talking UTC time). https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/ The Sun picked it up: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13713977/donald-trump-state-department-term-ended-today/
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