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Old 11th January 2021, 01:23 PM   #961
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I don't doubt the sentiment was there. How do you build a case to prove it for sure in court? So far the charges seem to be on the lines of 'violent entry into a restricted area' and 'trespass'.


You probably can't prove it "for sure" for a lot of these people, but you can almost certainly prove it for the Ziptie Guys, and anyone caught on camera saying things like "Hang Pence!"

Just because some of them might get lucky and walk is no reason not to charge them all. Even those who get lucky will know they got lucky, and just maybe be "scared straight" by their near-miss.
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:30 PM   #962
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
My thoughts, exactly. Pretty sure that sword he was wielding was likely plastic and not beaten into shape anywhere near a smith's fire.
No, its it's real steel. It was made by Jody Samson. Samson is one of the world's top six master knife and sword makers, and is most widely known for making the swords featured in the movie Conan the Barbarian.
http://jodysamson.com/interview.htm#...he%20Barbarian.
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:33 PM   #963
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
No, its it's real steel. It was made by Jody Samson. Samson is one of the world's top six master knife and sword makers, and is most widely known for making the swords featured in the movie Conan the Barbarian.
http://jodysamson.com/interview.htm#...he%20Barbarian.
It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:37 PM   #964
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
It's Conan the Barbarian. It's a fantasy. It's supposed to be totally ridiculous.

Likewise, Conan was played by someone who made a career out of shaping his own body by lifting heavy things, not by a merciless warrior savage.
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:44 PM   #965
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Both Trump & Pence's pages have now been removed. Pences took a while longer. Maybe they did not realize that it was there at first.
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Old 11th January 2021, 01:56 PM   #966
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
lol bro he killed a wizard with it. let me know when a knife kills a wizard
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:00 PM   #967
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lol bro he killed a wizard with it. let me know when a knife kills a wizard
Does the Night King count?
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:02 PM   #968
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Both Trump & Pence's pages have now been removed. Pences took a while longer. Maybe they did not realize that it was there at first.
Sadly seems to be the story of Pence’s life!
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Rather disturbingly one of them yells out "...you are treating me like a black person" while being cuffed on the ground. Sad.
I almost posted that one but it isn't 'post riot' it's an old bit of video.
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Both Trump & Pence's pages have now been removed. Pences took a while longer. Maybe they did not realize that it was there at first.
Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Sadly seems to be the story of Pence’s life!
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
I'm not arguing about that. Just that it is real steel and is a real sword. The thing is huge and is totally impractical.
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Oh my God it's bad enough to deal with the "While you were partying, I studied the blade" brigade in the movie threads.
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
Does the Night King count?
What about Sauruman?
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:17 PM   #974
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Oh my God it's bad enough to deal with the "While you were partying, I studied the blade" brigade in the movie threads.
I love that when I find something slightly annoying you go over the top in denouncing it. I feel like you are trying to make me feel better about my petty concerns. Thank you!
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:24 PM   #975
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Originally Posted by Dread Pirate Roberts View Post
Does the Night King count?
my grandma could kill the night king
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Old 11th January 2021, 02:34 PM   #976
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No, its it's real steel. It was made by Jody Samson. Samson is one of the world's top six master knife and sword makers, and is most widely known for making the swords featured in the movie Conan the Barbarian.
http://jodysamson.com/interview.htm#...he%20Barbarian.
It's basically a exaggerated version of a Viking Sword.
And the fighting style used in "Conan" is pretty much Japanese Samauri style.
The writer director John Milius is a HUGE Kurosawa fan.
BTW Arnie had the sword hanging in the Governor's office here in Sacramento through his tenure as Governor.
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out of curiosity, if i were to show up at your job, set up a gallows outside, and walked around inside looking for you while shouting “hang vixen” with some zip ties how serious would that be taken
I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


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Old 11th January 2021, 02:41 PM   #978
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I'm sure it must be a hack but the State Department website says Trump's term ends today (or has already ended if we are talking UTC time).

https://www.state.gov/biographies/donald-j-trump/

The Sun picked it up:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13713977/donald-trump-state-department-term-ended-today/
So let's hope his arrest is imminent.
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You probably can't prove it "for sure" for a lot of these people, but you can almost certainly prove it for the Ziptie Guys, and anyone caught on camera saying things like "Hang Pence!"

Just because some of them might get lucky and walk is no reason not to charge them all. Even those who get lucky will know they got lucky, and just maybe be "scared straight" by their near-miss.
The zip-tie guy was with his ******* Mom. He'll claim in court he was just role-playing. You have to somehow get evidence that will secure a conviction.
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No, its it's real steel. It was made by Jody Samson. Samson is one of the world's top six master knife and sword makers, and is most widely known for making the swords featured in the movie Conan the Barbarian.
http://jodysamson.com/interview.htm#...he%20Barbarian.
Oh wow, so Arnie's analogies were apposite.
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It is still totally ridiculous for a sword. Be as into knives as you want, swords are not just big knives.
To be fair, the sword is associated with justice.
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Both Trump & Pence's pages have now been removed. Pences took a while longer. Maybe they did not realize that it was there at first.
Please, please let it be true.

How many more episodes do we have to tolerate?
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Maybe Arnold could re-enact the final Thulsa Doom scene from Conan the Barbarian, for old times sake...
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Swords were used in the middle ages for beheading errant knights and nobles. Perhaps Arnie can do the honours with Trump. Seeing as he only likes high class things.
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I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
see, that’s the kind of creativity I can appreciate

anybody get shot in the neck at that game?
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Swords were used in the middle ages for beheading errant knights and nobles. Perhaps Arnie can do the honours with Trump. Seeing as he only likes high class things.
Henry the Eight imported a awordsman from France for the beheading of Anne Boleyn.
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Maybe Arnold could re-enact the final Thulsa Doom scene from Conan the Barbarian, for old times sake...
Or from another Arnie movies:

" I like you,Donald. I kill you last".
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The report now is aside from DC some kind of Armed Demonstrations are planned for all 50 state capitols.
Living in Sacramento that just thrills me to no end.
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FBI warns 'armed protests' being planned at all 50 state capitols and in Washington DC

The FBI has received information indicating "armed protests" are being planned at all 50 state capitols and the US Capitol in Washington, DC in the days leading up to President-elect Joe Biden's inauguration on January 20, according to an internal bulletin obtained by CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/11/p...tol/index.html
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see, that’s the kind of creativity I can appreciate

anybody get shot in the neck at that game?
Look, there is little doubt there was a conspiracy to overthrow democracy but we don't yet know the extent of it. How to prove it?

Threatening behaviour?

The fire extinguisher: there were quite a few of these lined up in the lobby on clearing up. The person who threw it towards the police: did he intend murder or was it a consequence of reckless behaviour? We don't know. You have to gather the evidence.

So, we can prove for sure illegal entry to restricted areas, violent disorder, trespass. How do you prove someone went there in order to kill the senators. We can strongly suspect there was such a conspiracy but that will take quite a lot of investigation before the charges can be brought and made to stick
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Or from another Arnie movies:

" I like you,Donald. I kill you last".
He'll be insulted by that. 'Donald First, Donald First'.
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The report now is aside from DC some kind of Armed Demonstrations are planned for all 50 state capitols.
Living in Sacramento that just thrills me to no end.
Coming soon...

The US 2021 Civil War thread.
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
I am not a politician or a public figure. The person carrying that gallows contraption will say in court, hey, nobody told me I couldn't. Note, usually on demonstrations people are instructed their back packs have to be transparent and they aren't allowed various poles and banners. Jake Angeli, self-styled idiot, has on his charge sheet he was carrying a spear (yes - a deadly weapon) with a US flag attached. Who allowed him to carry such an item? The people in charge of controlling the crowds (the FBI and the police) will be blamed for not even challenging it. I understand that this gallows thing has been seen at other demonstrations.

I went to a football match in which my team were playing another team about to be relegated. Their supporters had a 'funeral march' along the road leading up to the stadium carrying a coffin with the name of their team on it.

Is it really 'intent to hang the vice president' or is it 'gallows humour'?


I present my case, M'Lud.
It is my understanding that, traditionally, the Secret Service has not had much of a sense of humor abut such things.

In any case, these folk are fanatical followers of Dear Leader. A subset of them believe in a mythology, QAnon, where mass executions of political enemies figure prominently.

All of this could be considered play acting until it isn't. Indeed, the beatings & attempted beatings of various police officers & a few reporters were not play acting.
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Coming soon...

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To make it more fun for me, I live maybe a mile and a half from the Capitol Building in Sacramento, which will be the epicenter of the fun......
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Or from another Arnie movies:

" I like you,Donald. I kill you last".
I like this one better.

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To make it more fun for me, I live maybe a mile and a half from the Capitol Building in Sacramento, which will be the epicenter of the fun......
Well be careful, as I understand it you can be forced into joining these mobs and you can lose all free will and be compelled to attack security and police and vandalise buildings.
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Old 11th January 2021, 03:48 PM   #997
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
He still would have been a lot better then Trump, he would not have posed a threat to democracy itself.
Republicans as a whole represent threat to democracy. Trump or other republicans, what's the difference? Route may be different, but endgame is same.

Get over it.
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It is my understanding that, traditionally, the Secret Service has not had much of a sense of humor abut such things.

In any case, these folk are fanatical followers of Dear Leader. A subset of them believe in a mythology, QAnon, where mass executions of political enemies figure prominently.

All of this could be considered play acting until it isn't. Indeed, the beatings & attempted beatings of various police officers & a few reporters were not play acting.
Something very badly went wrong and there has not yet been an FBI press conference about it, unless I've missed it.

There is something sinister about the whole thing.

All I object to are words like could or extrapolations of what might have happened. For example, 'the whole of the senate might have been taken hostage and killed and the entire building could have burnt down'.

What happened is horrifying in itself and I am sure we will all be shocked when the details start coming out. I suspect Trump was half-hoping the police and the National Guard would gallop out in his defence. It might even have been the plan. We just don't know.
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Pence with his Chief of Staff Marc Short were just seen entering the West Wing. Marc Short was banned from entering the White House

Why?
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Pence with his Chief of Staff Marc Short were just seen entering the West Wing. Marc Short was banned from entering the White House

Why?
He's been fired..?
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