[Continuation] Trump’s Coup - Part 2 - Page 29

Captain_Swoop · 14th January 2021, 05:15 AM

A lawyer no less!

Trump is just lulling people in to a false sense of security apparently.
Space Force are coming!

Brian Anderson tweets
@magalawbrian
DO NOT go to the capital or anywhere in DC for Inauguration Day! If Trump wanted us there he would have attended himself. He needs us at home for the Space Force GBS address. Mass arrests will be filmed so no need to be there live. Antifa wants us to look violent! #SpaceForceCard

As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world.

https://twitter.com/magalawbrian

dudalb · 14th January 2021, 05:52 AM

Pretty clear this was not a protest that go tout of control but a planned, attack. Question now becomes just how high was it plotted?

Armitage72 · 14th January 2021, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world.

Too bad the Global Broadcast Service only transmits to specific military receivers. I'm guessing this is what people were talking about elsewhere when they seemed to believe that Trump could override and broadcast to every TV in the world.

erwinl · 14th January 2021, 06:36 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Pretty clear this was not a protest that go tout of control but a planned, attack. Question now becomes just how high was it plotted?

What I wonder about is the following
Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined.
Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency.
That is what is puzzling me.

Horatius · 14th January 2021, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

What I wonder about is the following
Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined.
Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency.
That is what is puzzling me.

That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make.

dudalb · 14th January 2021, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make.

Exactly. It would have took discipline,trained troops to pull this off and the Magarats were anything but disciplined and trained.

Darat · 14th January 2021, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by Armitage72

Too bad the Global Broadcast Service only transmits to specific military receivers. I'm guessing this is what people were talking about elsewhere when they seemed to believe that Trump could override and broadcast to every TV in the world.

Tsk... you haven’t been keeping up with the latest technology... Trump will be using a particle beam....

“...It fiddles with the screen itself injecting a state of the art particle beam to override the screen and project new content.”

....

And that appears to be a serious answer.....

Hercules Rockefeller · 14th January 2021, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Tsk... you haven’t been keeping up with the latest technology... Trump will be using a particle beam....

“...It fiddles with the screen itself injecting a state of the art particle beam to override the screen and project new content.”

....

And that appears to be a serious answer.....

I think someone watched Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was a documentary.

dmaker · 14th January 2021, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

I think someone watched Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was a documentary.

Apparently, Rudy thinks Game of Thrones was a documentary about medieval England.

jimbob · 14th January 2021, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

Tsk... you haven’t been keeping up with the latest technology... Trump will be using a particle beam....

“...It fiddles with the screen itself injecting a state of the art particle beam to override the screen and project new content.”

....

And that appears to be a serious answer.....

Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller

I think someone watched Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was a documentary.

They're not all there

See how far you can watch this interview with the Q-Anon shaman, before giving up. I made about 40 seconds. He starts with moderately conventional conspiracies (yada yada world bank yada yada and then... um... what the no-longer updated crank.net website would have classed as illucid

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Max_mang · 14th January 2021, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

What I wonder about is the following
Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined.
Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency.
That is what is puzzling me.

Every timeline I can find gets really murky after 2:44pm (when the woman was shot by police). There seems to be 3 hours or more after that before the building was considered secure again, but I can find little detail of what occurred during that time. There is tons of video online, but most seem to be before the shooting.

Squeegee Beckenheim · 14th January 2021, 07:38 AM

Apparently due to the coup failing, Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani - not even travelling expenses

Who could possibly have foreseen this?

erwinl · 14th January 2021, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make.

In other words, the usual Trumpian incompetence, concerning any organization.

Still. One would think ex-military would be more competent than this, but even they, zip tie guy for instance, were more interested in fooling around, as opposed to staying focussed on what their perceived mission was.

And a good thing to it was, that none of the participants had the conviction like what was shown on december 21st, 1989 in Bucharest.
This was their chance, slim as it was, and I don't think (hope) they will get another one quite like this again.

erwinl · 14th January 2021, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Max_mang

Every timeline I can find gets really murky after 2:44pm (when the woman was shot by police). There seems to be 3 hours or more after that before the building was considered secure again, but I can find little detail of what occurred during that time. There is tons of video online, but most seem to be before the shooting.

I can imagine there to be quite a large period to be between the last of the insurrectionists leaving the building and, say, the Secret Service, declaring the building secure again.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

I can imagine there to be quite a large period to be between the last of the insurrectionists leaving the building and, say, the Secret Service, declaring the building secure again.

The Capitol is a big building, probably with a lot of nooks and crannies where one could hide or where one could jam a bomb or Ebola vail or trained attack badger into. "Clearing" a building such as that must be an absolute nightmare.

Meadmaker · 14th January 2021, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by erwinl

What I wonder about is the following
Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined.
Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency.
That is what is puzzling me.

Of the thousands of people gathered for the rally and subsequently marching up Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, it would be absurd to suggest that all of them planned to burst through police lines and go into the Capitol building to threaten or attack legislators, and it would be absurd to suggest that none of them did.

There were plenty of people in that mob who didn't expect to be in the Capitol building, and plenty more who hadn't given any thought to how people might react once they got inside. Most of the members of that mob were totally clueless. I'm sure that they are baffled even now as to why anyone was so upset. The sudden sight of a dead or dying woman caused an awful lot of people to wake from their fantasy. Even then, I don't think most of them could actually process what was happening. They were a bit stunned.

The fact that they were stunned, though, just goes to show the depth of their denial of reality.

Horatius · 14th January 2021, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

The Capitol is a big building, probably with a lot of nooks and crannies where one could hide or where one could jam a bomb or Ebola vail or trained attack badger into. "Clearing" a building such as that must be an absolute nightmare.

Particularly when they had already found actual pipe bombs in several locations. This was just about the worst nightmare for any security service. There could have been more bombs just about anywhere.

shemp · 14th January 2021, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

They're not all there

See how far you can watch this interview with the Q-Anon shaman, before giving up. I made about 40 seconds. He starts with moderately conventional conspiracies (yada yada world bank yada yada and then... um... what the no-longer updated crank.net website would have classed as illucid

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Yeah after about 40 seconds he suddenly ratchets it up to the "Wait, WHAT???" level. And it goes on for ten minutes. There was a time when people like this were put into institutions. Maybe that wasn't such a bad idea.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Horatius

Particularly when they had already found actual pipe bombs in several locations. This was just about the worst nightmare for any security service. There could have been more bombs just about anywhere.

I was part of the security team on a Ticonderoga Class guided missile cruiser in the Navy. You never realize how many places you could had something in a space exist until you have to be the one to go "I declare this space safe for reentry."

crescent · 14th January 2021, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by shemp

Yeah after about 40 seconds he suddenly ratchets it up to the "Wait, WHAT???" level. And it goes on for ten minutes. There was a time when people like this were put into institutions. Maybe that wasn't such a bad idea.

I remember, not long ago at all, when that was the appeal of interviewing Alex Jones. He would start of reasonable and quickly devolve into ranting and yelling, spewing conspiracy theories, waving papers around, more yelling and ranting about conspiracies. A fun crazy man for comic relief. He seemed so unhinged and crazy as to seem actually harmless.

I guess that behavior has wider appeal than we realized, and not as comic relief.

cosmicaug · 14th January 2021, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Cain

How many of the people arrested have been confirmed as Antifa? Surely Matt Gaetz and others were not BSing when they said the unrest was caused by left-wing agitators.

How can we even be sure that Matt Gaetz is not antifa?

cosmicaug · 14th January 2021, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop

A lawyer no less!

Trump is just lulling people in to a false sense of security apparently.
Space Force are coming!

Brian Anderson tweets
@magalawbrian
DO NOT go to the capital or anywhere in DC for Inauguration Day! If Trump wanted us there he would have attended himself. He needs us at home for the Space Force GBS address. Mass arrests will be filmed so no need to be there live. Antifa wants us to look violent! #SpaceForceCard

As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world.

https://twitter.com/magalawbrian

What is "GBS"?

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

How can we even be sure that Matt Gaetz is not antifa?

Lt. Weinberg: Yeah, she said that if Markinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. She said I could be Markinson and you wouldn't know it.

Kaffee: Are you Markinson?

Lt. Weinberg: No.

Kaffee: I'm not Markinson. That's two down.

JoeMorgue · 14th January 2021, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

What is "GBS"?

Global Broadcasting System. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Broadcast_Service

Fodder for conspiracy theoriest because they think it can be used to take over all the airwaves and broadcast the order for the uprising or the video from the Ring or the brown note or whatever.

Meadmaker · 14th January 2021, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by cosmicaug

What is "GBS"?

Global Broadcast Service.

(I had never heard of it, either, but I guessed at the acronym, and it's a thing.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Broadcast_Service

Upchurch · 14th January 2021, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by jimbob

See how far you can watch this interview with the Q-Anon shaman, before giving up. I made about 40 seconds.

I went about 7 minutes. It's a shirtless clown wearing buffalo horns and face paint. At that point, it's poorly written entertainment. I only stopped when I did because I felt he was becoming repetitive.

Delvo · 14th January 2021, 08:19 AM

Global Broadcast Service

I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

Delvo · 14th January 2021, 08:25 AM

OK, so apparently there are several of us who get up & check in here before going out for the day all at about the same time...

SuburbanTurkey · 14th January 2021, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Delvo

Global Broadcast Service

I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

Because Space Force is Trump's creation, so it's the most trustworthy to MAGA weirdos.

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2021, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by Delvo

I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

Because it's their Messiah's creation, probably; he set it up all by himself, so it must be personally loyal to him, right?

Dave

Delphic Oracle · 14th January 2021, 08:43 AM

Recently resigned D.C. chief has pointed to the bomb threats at RNC and DNC HQs as a major component of how things unraveled.

Fingers are pointed every way over the national guard issue, but that salient detail of the timeline is a huge sign of coordinated action.

Meadmaker · 14th January 2021, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by Delvo

Global Broadcast Service

I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

I was listening the other day to some yapper give a list of Donald Trump's accomplishments, and Space Force was way up high on the list. Trump himself has bragged about it. I think the MAGAs somehow really believe that the establishment of Space Force was a truly magnificent accomplishment, so they would want to include that as part of their bragging at every turn.

All he did was take the Air Force Space Command, and reorganize the chain of command a bit. It was probably a good idea, but it was hardly a major accomplishment.

A clown like the one who gave us that prediction about using GBS would no doubt attribute it's amazing abilities as one of Trump's superpowers.

Darat · 14th January 2021, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Meadmaker

I was listening the other day to some yapper give a list of Donald Trump's accomplishments, and Space Force was way up high on the list. Trump himself has bragged about it. I think the MAGAs somehow really believe that the establishment of Space Force was a truly magnificent accomplishment, so they would want to include that as part of their bragging at every turn.

All he did was take the Air Force Space Command, and reorganize the chain of command a bit. It was probably a good idea, but it was hardly a major accomplishment.

A clown like the one who gave us that prediction about using GBS would no doubt attribute it's amazing abilities as one of Trump's superpowers.

But it’s SPACE Force!

Since last week I’ve read a lot of the nonsense these nutters have written and you are right, Space Force^TM is a big thing for them.

Must be the association with lasers and light sabers and all that futuristic stuff the government got from the Roswell aliens.

Dave Rogers · 14th January 2021, 09:02 AM

Either that or it's because so many of them are space cadets.

Dave

Wudang · 14th January 2021, 09:04 AM

"Is Space Force in the room with us now?"

Darat · 14th January 2021, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Dave Rogers

Either that or it's because so many of them are space cadets.

Dave

You read some of the stuff and you have to wonder how they manage to live in the real world, we thought some of the 9/11 “truthers” were nutters with their holographic planes and what not, these lot make the truthers seem sensible. ETA: Mind you many seem to be truthers as well.

kookbreaker · 14th January 2021, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by Darat

But it’s SPACE Force!

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Darat · 14th January 2021, 09:16 AM

One thing they were right about - the media di stop having Covid as the number one story!

ponderingturtle · 14th January 2021, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Apparently due to the coup failing, Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani - not even travelling expenses

Who could possibly have foreseen this?

Hey he just has to stay on Brand. A Trump Never Pays His Debts is the family moto after all.

ponderingturtle · 14th January 2021, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by Delvo

Global Broadcast Service

I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

Because it sounds cool and Trump made it, clearly to fight the demonic child eaters of international jewry.

14th January 2021, 05:52 AM	#1122
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Pretty clear this was not a protest that go tout of control but a planned, attack. Question now becomes just how high was it plotted?
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14th January 2021, 06:36 AM	#1124
erwinl Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by dudalb Pretty clear this was not a protest that go tout of control but a planned, attack. Question now becomes just how high was it plotted? What I wonder about is the following Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined. Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency. That is what is puzzling me.
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14th January 2021, 06:41 AM	#1125
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,165	Originally Posted by erwinl What I wonder about is the following Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined. Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency. That is what is puzzling me. That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make.
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14th January 2021, 06:50 AM	#1126
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by Horatius That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make. Exactly. It would have took discipline,trained troops to pull this off and the Magarats were anything but disciplined and trained.
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14th January 2021, 06:53 AM	#1127
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,849	Originally Posted by Armitage72 Too bad the Global Broadcast Service only transmits to specific military receivers. I'm guessing this is what people were talking about elsewhere when they seemed to believe that Trump could override and broadcast to every TV in the world. Tsk... you haven’t been keeping up with the latest technology... Trump will be using a particle beam.... “...It fiddles with the screen itself injecting a state of the art particle beam to override the screen and project new content.” .... And that appears to be a serious answer.....
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14th January 2021, 05:15 AM	#1121
Captain_Swoop Penultimate Amazing Pither 12/20 Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 32,778	A lawyer no less! Trump is just lulling people in to a false sense of security apparently. Space Force are coming! Brian Anderson tweets @magalawbrian DO NOT go to the capital or anywhere in DC for Inauguration Day! If Trump wanted us there he would have attended himself. He needs us at home for the Space Force GBS address. Mass arrests will be filmed so no need to be there live. Antifa wants us to look violent! #SpaceForceCard As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world. https://twitter.com/magalawbrian

14th January 2021, 06:29 AM	#1123
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,431	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world. Too bad the Global Broadcast Service only transmits to specific military receivers. I'm guessing this is what people were talking about elsewhere when they seemed to believe that Trump could override and broadcast to every TV in the world.

14th January 2021, 07:23 AM	#1128
Hercules Rockefeller Woof! Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 3,617	Originally Posted by Darat Tsk... you haven’t been keeping up with the latest technology... Trump will be using a particle beam.... “...It fiddles with the screen itself injecting a state of the art particle beam to override the screen and project new content.” .... And that appears to be a serious answer..... I think someone watched Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was a documentary.
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14th January 2021, 07:29 AM	#1129
dmaker Graduate Poster Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,690	Originally Posted by Hercules Rockefeller I think someone watched Wonder Woman 1984 and thought it was a documentary. Apparently, Rudy thinks Game of Thrones was a documentary about medieval England.

14th January 2021, 07:37 AM	#1131
Max_mang Critical Thinker Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 467	Originally Posted by erwinl What I wonder about is the following Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined. Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency. That is what is puzzling me. Every timeline I can find gets really murky after 2:44pm (when the woman was shot by police). There seems to be 3 hours or more after that before the building was considered secure again, but I can find little detail of what occurred during that time. There is tons of video online, but most seem to be before the shooting.
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14th January 2021, 07:38 AM	#1132
Squeegee Beckenheim Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31,411	Apparently due to the coup failing, Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani - not even travelling expenses Who could possibly have foreseen this?
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14th January 2021, 07:38 AM	#1133
erwinl Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Horatius That's the down side of relying on the Useful Idiots as their cannon fodder. Most of them didn't really expect to get that far, or to face actual deadly force in opposition. They collapsed under fire, and by the time the serious ones got to the front lines to try to salvage the mess, the primary targets had already made it to safety. By that point, this battle in the coup was lost, and a strategic retreat in hopes of keeping their forces alive and out of jail was probably the best call they could make. In other words, the usual Trumpian incompetence, concerning any organization. Still. One would think ex-military would be more competent than this, but even they, zip tie guy for instance, were more interested in fooling around, as opposed to staying focussed on what their perceived mission was. And a good thing to it was, that none of the participants had the conviction like what was shown on december 21st, 1989 in Bucharest. This was their chance, slim as it was, and I don't think (hope) they will get another one quite like this again.
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14th January 2021, 07:41 AM	#1134
erwinl Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,787	Originally Posted by Max_mang Every timeline I can find gets really murky after 2:44pm (when the woman was shot by police). There seems to be 3 hours or more after that before the building was considered secure again, but I can find little detail of what occurred during that time. There is tons of video online, but most seem to be before the shooting. I can imagine there to be quite a large period to be between the last of the insurrectionists leaving the building and, say, the Secret Service, declaring the building secure again.
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14th January 2021, 07:43 AM	#1135
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Originally Posted by erwinl I can imagine there to be quite a large period to be between the last of the insurrectionists leaving the building and, say, the Secret Service, declaring the building secure again. The Capitol is a big building, probably with a lot of nooks and crannies where one could hide or where one could jam a bomb or Ebola vail or trained attack badger into. "Clearing" a building such as that must be an absolute nightmare.
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14th January 2021, 07:47 AM	#1136
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,543	Originally Posted by erwinl What I wonder about is the following Seeing it indeed looks like this whole action was planned much more thoroughly than earlier imagined. Why did they back off so quickly? One single shot was all it took to end the immediate insurgency. That is what is puzzling me. Of the thousands of people gathered for the rally and subsequently marching up Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol, it would be absurd to suggest that all of them planned to burst through police lines and go into the Capitol building to threaten or attack legislators, and it would be absurd to suggest that none of them did. There were plenty of people in that mob who didn't expect to be in the Capitol building, and plenty more who hadn't given any thought to how people might react once they got inside. Most of the members of that mob were totally clueless. I'm sure that they are baffled even now as to why anyone was so upset. The sudden sight of a dead or dying woman caused an awful lot of people to wake from their fantasy. Even then, I don't think most of them could actually process what was happening. They were a bit stunned. The fact that they were stunned, though, just goes to show the depth of their denial of reality.
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14th January 2021, 07:52 AM	#1137
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,165	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue The Capitol is a big building, probably with a lot of nooks and crannies where one could hide or where one could jam a bomb or Ebola vail or trained attack badger into. "Clearing" a building such as that must be an absolute nightmare. Particularly when they had already found actual pipe bombs in several locations. This was just about the worst nightmare for any security service. There could have been more bombs just about anywhere.
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14th January 2021, 07:57 AM	#1139
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Originally Posted by Horatius Particularly when they had already found actual pipe bombs in several locations. This was just about the worst nightmare for any security service. There could have been more bombs just about anywhere. I was part of the security team on a Ticonderoga Class guided missile cruiser in the Navy. You never realize how many places you could had something in a space exist until you have to be the one to go "I declare this space safe for reentry."
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14th January 2021, 08:03 AM	#1140
crescent Illuminator Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 4,026	Originally Posted by shemp Yeah after about 40 seconds he suddenly ratchets it up to the "Wait, WHAT???" level. And it goes on for ten minutes. There was a time when people like this were put into institutions. Maybe that wasn't such a bad idea. I remember, not long ago at all, when that was the appeal of interviewing Alex Jones. He would start of reasonable and quickly devolve into ranting and yelling, spewing conspiracy theories, waving papers around, more yelling and ranting about conspiracies. A fun crazy man for comic relief. He seemed so unhinged and crazy as to seem actually harmless. I guess that behavior has wider appeal than we realized, and not as comic relief.

14th January 2021, 08:05 AM	#1141
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	Originally Posted by Cain How many of the people arrested have been confirmed as Antifa? Surely Matt Gaetz and others were not BSing when they said the unrest was caused by left-wing agitators. How can we even be sure that Matt Gaetz is not antifa?
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14th January 2021, 08:08 AM	#1142
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop A lawyer no less! Trump is just lulling people in to a false sense of security apparently. Space Force are coming! Brian Anderson tweets @magalawbrian DO NOT go to the capital or anywhere in DC for Inauguration Day! If Trump wanted us there he would have attended himself. He needs us at home for the Space Force GBS address. Mass arrests will be filmed so no need to be there live. Antifa wants us to look violent! #SpaceForceCard As I have said repeatedly, Trump needs to lull criminals into a false sense of security for mass arrests on January 20th. He even gave us a wink with “no law-breaking”. Of course, he will announce real end to “law-breaking” by attendees, using Space Force’s GBS to tell the world. https://twitter.com/magalawbrian What is "GBS"?
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14th January 2021, 08:08 AM	#1143
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Originally Posted by cosmicaug How can we even be sure that Matt Gaetz is not antifa? Lt. Weinberg: Yeah, she said that if Markinson doesn't want to be found, we're not gonna find him. She said I could be Markinson and you wouldn't know it. Kaffee: Are you Markinson? Lt. Weinberg: No. Kaffee: I'm not Markinson. That's two down.
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14th January 2021, 08:10 AM	#1144
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Originally Posted by cosmicaug What is "GBS"? Global Broadcasting System. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Broadcast_Service Fodder for conspiracy theoriest because they think it can be used to take over all the airwaves and broadcast the order for the uprising or the video from the Ring or the brown note or whatever.
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14th January 2021, 08:11 AM	#1145
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,543	Originally Posted by cosmicaug What is "GBS"? Global Broadcast Service. (I had never heard of it, either, but I guessed at the acronym, and it's a thing.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Broadcast_Service
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14th January 2021, 08:15 AM	#1146
Upchurch Papa Funkosophy Join Date: May 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 32,468	Originally Posted by jimbob See how far you can watch this interview with the Q-Anon shaman, before giving up. I made about 40 seconds. I went about 7 minutes. It's a shirtless clown wearing buffalo horns and face paint. At that point, it's poorly written entertainment. I only stopped when I did because I felt he was becoming repetitive.
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14th January 2021, 08:19 AM	#1147
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,367	Global Broadcast Service I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches.

14th January 2021, 08:25 AM	#1148
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,367	OK, so apparently there are several of us who get up & check in here before going out for the day all at about the same time...

14th January 2021, 08:32 AM	#1149
SuburbanTurkey Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 8,560	Originally Posted by Delvo Global Broadcast Service I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches. Because Space Force is Trump's creation, so it's the most trustworthy to MAGA weirdos.
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14th January 2021, 08:35 AM	#1150
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,425	Originally Posted by Delvo I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches. Because it's their Messiah's creation, probably; he set it up all by himself, so it must be personally loyal to him, right? Dave
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14th January 2021, 08:43 AM	#1151
Delphic Oracle Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 5,417	Recently resigned D.C. chief has pointed to the bomb threats at RNC and DNC HQs as a major component of how things unraveled. Fingers are pointed every way over the national guard issue, but that salient detail of the timeline is a huge sign of coordinated action.

14th January 2021, 08:48 AM	#1152
Meadmaker Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25,543	Originally Posted by Delvo Global Broadcast Service I'm not sure why they keep specifying "Space Force", though. It seems to be equally associated with all of our military branches. I was listening the other day to some yapper give a list of Donald Trump's accomplishments, and Space Force was way up high on the list. Trump himself has bragged about it. I think the MAGAs somehow really believe that the establishment of Space Force was a truly magnificent accomplishment, so they would want to include that as part of their bragging at every turn. All he did was take the Air Force Space Command, and reorganize the chain of command a bit. It was probably a good idea, but it was hardly a major accomplishment. A clown like the one who gave us that prediction about using GBS would no doubt attribute it's amazing abilities as one of Trump's superpowers.
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14th January 2021, 08:58 AM	#1153
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,849	Originally Posted by Meadmaker I was listening the other day to some yapper give a list of Donald Trump's accomplishments, and Space Force was way up high on the list. Trump himself has bragged about it. I think the MAGAs somehow really believe that the establishment of Space Force was a truly magnificent accomplishment, so they would want to include that as part of their bragging at every turn. All he did was take the Air Force Space Command, and reorganize the chain of command a bit. It was probably a good idea, but it was hardly a major accomplishment. A clown like the one who gave us that prediction about using GBS would no doubt attribute it's amazing abilities as one of Trump's superpowers. But it’s SPACE Force! Since last week I’ve read a lot of the nonsense these nutters have written and you are right, Space Force^TM is a big thing for them. Must be the association with lasers and light sabers and all that futuristic stuff the government got from the Roswell aliens.
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14th January 2021, 09:02 AM	#1154
Dave Rogers Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through a scribbled morning waving necessary ankles Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cair Paravel, according to XKCD Posts: 32,425	Either that or it's because so many of them are space cadets. Dave
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14th January 2021, 09:04 AM	#1155
Wudang BOFH Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: People's Republic of South Yorkshire Posts: 13,588	"Is Space Force in the room with us now?"
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14th January 2021, 09:04 AM	#1156
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,849	Originally Posted by Dave Rogers Either that or it's because so many of them are space cadets. Dave You read some of the stuff and you have to wonder how they manage to live in the real world, we thought some of the 9/11 “truthers” were nutters with their holographic planes and what not, these lot make the truthers seem sensible. ETA: Mind you many seem to be truthers as well.
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14th January 2021, 09:16 AM	#1158
Darat Lackey Administrator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: South East, UK Posts: 97,849	One thing they were right about - the media di stop having Covid as the number one story!
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