[Continuation] Trump’s Coup - Part 2 - Page 31

Thermal · 14th January 2021, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jim_MDP

Thats not gonna fly if they find flex-cuffs on his credit card orders, along with half that tactical gear.
He wasn't dickin' around either. A review of his kit shows some serious operater choices, not like militia LARPers.

I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them?

Horatius · 14th January 2021, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them?

I opined on this earlier in the thread.

Craig4 · 14th January 2021, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them?

I think they might have been expecting the police to join them or Trump to declare martial law and real troops to support their cause. When it became apparent the police would resist and they were being reinforced, the enemy didn't go full civil war.

dudalb · 14th January 2021, 10:10 PM

The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested.
https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a
GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside.
he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time.

angrysoba · 14th January 2021, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested.
https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a
GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside.
he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time.

From what I understood of Popehat's appearance on All the President's Lawyers, that sounds like he could be looking at felony murder whether the cop he beat was the one who died or not.

Delvo · 14th January 2021, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

I'm increasingly of the opinion that a whole lot of people literally went insane after 9/11, and that this was never properly recognized and dealt with. Twenty years on, we have guys like this, who have lived most of their lives in a literally insane world, surrounded by insane people, thinking the insanity was just normal.

It started long before that. They were raised on insurrectionist fantasies and a persecutionist religion for decades by the time that happened.

acbytesla · 15th January 2021, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested.
https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a
GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside.
he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time.

The blaming of ANTIFA was precious. Yeah right. Hope the guy likes prison food.

dudalb · 15th January 2021, 12:10 AM

Originally Posted by acbytesla

The blaming of ANTIFA was precious. Yeah right. Hope the guy likes prison food.

Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time.

Stacyhs · 15th January 2021, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I think studies would show a direct correlation between those attending Trump rallies and mental illness and/or IQs below 100. I'm only half joking.

Originally Posted by acbytesla

It's not about intelligence. It's about bias, tribalism and cognitive dissonance.

It's far harder to get people to change their mind than it is to persuade them before they have made a decision. These people have been sold. And they have reinforced their position by finding other sold people. They thought their guy won again because Trump took an early lead and when it flipped they didn't want to believe it. Then Trump mounted his disinformation campaign and they jumped at the opportunity to believe they were cheated.

There is little you can say to them. They have their minds made up.

While I agree with what you say, intelligence is also a factor with a lot of these people. Have you listened to some of these people? They can say some of the most stupid things I've ever heard and it's not because they were sold on something. It's because they're just dumb. For example, confirmed by Snopes:

Quote:

Armed Trump supporters protesting immigration demanded to know if a Native American legislator is in the United States "legally."

Quote:

"Bill Clinton got aids from messing around with Magic Johnson."

"Barack Obama had a big part in 9/11 by not being around, always being on vacation, and not being in the Oval Office."

"A woman can't be president. A female has more hormones, she could start a war in ten seconds if she has hot flashes...whatever. Boom."

"I don't care if he has no hands. I love Donald Trump."

"Have you noticed that all the trouble in the world today stems from Muslims?"

"[Barack Obama] acts like a muslim, he talks like a muslim, and he also does the muslim principles as far as jewelry is concerned...certain months of the year not wearing his wedding ring."

https://www.theodysseyonline.com/20-...ump-supporters

SteveAitch · 15th January 2021, 03:26 AM

Erm, a couple of questions, if that's OK?

Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever?

What's the basis of the Obama wedding ring quote?

The Don · 15th January 2021, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

What's the basis of the Obama wedding ring quote?

Obama allegedly takes off his wedding ring during Ramadan, a clear indication that he is a Muslim because there is a prohibition on wearing jewellery during Ramadan.

There are only two flaws in that logic:

- Obama doesn't take of his wedding ring during Ramadan
- There is no such prohibition

Those two small details aside, the reasoning is flawless

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-ring-of-truth/

SteveAitch · 15th January 2021, 03:46 AM

Thanks for the link. I suspected the missing ring might be for that reason.

catsmate · 15th January 2021, 05:51 AM

Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim

Apparently due to the coup failing, Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani - not even travelling expenses

Who could possibly have foreseen this?

Anyone familiar with Trump's habit of petty larceny?

catsmate · 15th January 2021, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

And Sacramento, my home town, will be a mirror of DC
Governor Newsom has called up 1000 National GUardsmen to deploy, and the California Highway Patrol (which has protection of State Public BUidlings among it's duties) has denied a permit for a Stop the Steal protest at the Capitol on the 20th.RUmors theat the whole Capitol Mall wiill be shut off.That will pretty much shut down Central Saramento.

Good.This might help reduce the spread of Covid-19 at least.

Pixel42 · 15th January 2021, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever?

Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying.

A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ...

Fast Eddie B · 15th January 2021, 06:37 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time.

Unless blanket pardons get issued.

Not saying that will necessarily happen, but we should all be prepared for the possibility.

turingtest · 15th January 2021, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying.

A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ...

YOU TAKE THAT BACK! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE! GRRRRRRR...

pgwenthold · 15th January 2021, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Lerxst

Space Force on Netflix is hilarious BTW. I'm hoping there is another season.

I keep seeing it as "Space Ghost"

And DynoMutt.

pgwenthold · 15th January 2021, 06:52 AM

Originally Posted by The Don

Obama allegedly takes off his wedding ring during Ramadan, a clear indication that he is a Muslim because there is a prohibition on wearing jewellery during Ramadan.

There are only two flaws in that logic:

- Obama doesn't take of his wedding ring during Ramadan
- There is no such prohibition

Those two small details aside, the reasoning is flawless

But that doesn't prove he's not a secret Muslim.

(see, you just have to view it the right way - set backs? not a problem just continue on)

alfaniner · 15th January 2021, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time.

Dunno... Those little bastards have had it coming for quite some time.

Firestone · 15th January 2021, 07:17 AM

"Heroes of the Insurrection", well done by the team of The Daily Show.

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turingtest · 15th January 2021, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by pgwenthold

But that doesn't prove he's not a secret Muslim.

(see, you just have to view it the right way - set backs? not a problem just continue on)

And that's probably just what they would say, with no apparent awareness that the original claim-

Quote:

"[Barack Obama] acts like a muslim, he talks like a muslim, and he also does the muslim principles as far as jewelry is concerned...certain months of the year not wearing his wedding ring."

-was that he was an open Muslim. These aren't people who select their positions according to facts, they're people who select facts according to their positions.

Ryokan · 15th January 2021, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by Thermal

I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them?

I don't know how many of them were followers of Q-Anon, but Q had assured them that once they breached the Capitol, secret military units would join them.

That's probably why they were just wondering about confused once they got in.

TheSupermeerkat · 15th January 2021, 07:49 AM

Q Shaman requests pardon from Trump

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...orming-capitol

"The fact that we had a bunch of our traitors in office hunker down, put on their gas masks and retreat into their underground bunker, I consider that a win," claims dumbass who went on hunger strike in prison for not receiving organic food.

cosmicaug · 15th January 2021, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Delvo

It started long before that. They were raised on insurrectionist fantasies and a persecutionist religion for decades by the time that happened.

When you wrote that, it made me think of all the variety of active militia movements we've had from well before 2000. However, this essay may be as relevant (or more):

https://jezebel.com/i-was-raised-on-the-lie-of-the-reluctant-rural-insurre-1846006392

The Great Zaganza · 15th January 2021, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying.

A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ...

more investigation needed

I suggest that we hand over all military control to women age 40+ and observe what happens.

slyjoe · 15th January 2021, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza

more investigation needed

I suggest that we hand over all military control to women age 40+ and observe what happens.

You know the problem with having a woman president?
One week a month they'll act like men do four weeks a month.

Don't remember where I heard that. I think maybe a woman comedian.

JoeMorgue · 15th January 2021, 08:43 AM

Women would neither cause wars for no reason nor usher us into a new age of peace.

Almost as if women are people.

Armitage72 · 15th January 2021, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Women would neither cause wars for no reason nor usher us into a new age of peace.

Almost as if women are people.

Back in the 1950s, one of the science fiction comics from EC Comics printed a story in which a woman ran for President as an independent. It was viewed as a joke until the women in the country decided to vote for her instead of who their husbands told them to vote for (Gasp!), and she won. Congress tried to have the Supreme Court declare the election invalid, in an oddly prescient moment, but all but one of the Justices were married, and their wives wouldn't let them do it. They later tried to amend the Constitution to say that the President had to be a man in the future, but by then she had inspired other women to run for office and they couldn't get the majority they needed. This eventually led to an upheaval in society, but the story lost steam at that point, and the rest of it was just 1950s cliches with the sexes reversed. Women upset that their father-in-laws were coming to live with them. Men upset that their wives wouldn't buy them new appliances. Women going to war while men worked in the factories. A female executive calling her husband to say she's working late, while a giggling male secretary sits on her lap. Male drivers flirting with female police officers to get out of tickets. The final panel revealed that this somehow eventually led to men having babies instead of women.

Safe-Keeper · 15th January 2021, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by SteveAitch

Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever?

The "whatever" probably covers every other eventuality. Like period pains, arguments with their girlfriends, breaking a nail, you never know what might set them off and then you have World War III on your hands.

Safe-Keeper · 15th January 2021, 10:57 AM

The Norwegian evening post holds no punches.

The caption reads 'a man without honour'.

Edit: here's the full size image.

Horatius · 15th January 2021, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat

Q Shaman requests pardon from Trump

And I'm pretty sure he just screwed himself out of a pardon in the process.

Quote:

“My client had heard the oft-repeated words of President Trump,” Watkins said, according to local CBS station KMOV4. “The words and invitation of a president are supposed to mean something. Given the peaceful and compliant fashion in which Mr. Chansley comported himself, it would be appropriate and honorable for the president to pardon Mr. Chansley and other like-minded, peaceful individuals who accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions.”

Issuing a pardon because he "accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions" pretty much would be an admission that Trump did, in fact, incite them to commit these acts, and we know Trump isn't big on admitting things.

dudalb · 15th January 2021, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

Unless blanket pardons get issued.

Not saying that will necessarily happen, but we should all be prepared for the possibility.

Won't happen for one reason:
By doing that Trump would make his conviction in the Impeachment Trial a 100% certainity.

dudalb · 15th January 2021, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by Horatius

And I'm pretty sure he just screwed himself out of a pardon in the process.

Issuing a pardon because he "accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions" pretty much would be an admission that Trump did, in fact, incite them to commit these acts, and we know Trump isn't big on admitting things.

Ah, a new twist on the good old NUremburg defens:
"I was only following orders".

Firestone · 15th January 2021, 02:50 PM

Five days to go.

The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary."

Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19

varwoche · 15th January 2021, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Five days to go.

The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary."

Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19

The most amusing aspects -- he needed those notes as reminders, and he managed to make them visible.

I feel compelled to add, MyPillows are Motel 6 quality.

And I wonder, does oleander dims the wits?

Where's Chuck Woolery when you need him?

dudalb · 15th January 2021, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Five days to go.

The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary."

Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19

And his pillows are overpriced crap anyway. You can get a better one at Target for less money and no shipping charge.
But I have the sick feeling that Trump will try to play one more card to keep in power.

HHellpop · 15th January 2021, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Firestone

Five days to go.

The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary."

Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial.

https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19

Trump is staying true to form, no surprise:

Quote:

The President has been discussing his election conspiracy theories with his former chief strategist Steve Bannon -- who's facing federal fraud charges -- in recent weeks, a senior Trump adviser confirmed, as he pushes away advisers who tell him what he doesn't want to hear.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/14/polit...ing/index.html

So is Alex Jones on the outs now?

ETA: Have y'all watched this Frontline? Updated since last week. (Probably not available outside US...)
United States of Consipiracy

Trebuchet · 15th January 2021, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

Won't happen for one reason:
By doing that Trump would make his conviction in the Impeachment Trial a 100% certainity.

You may be giving Republican Senators more credit than they deserve.

Stacyhs · 15th January 2021, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Pixel42

Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying.

A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ...

I preferred to call hot flashes "my own personal summers" and testosterone "the stupid hormone" because it causes men to do some really stupid things. For example, it makes some men incapable of turning down incredibly dangerous dares if the words "What are you? A wuss?" are used. It also causes many men to engage in bar fights especially when used in combination with alcohol.

14th January 2021, 09:32 PM	#1201
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 14,087	Originally Posted by Jim_MDP Thats not gonna fly if they find flex-cuffs on his credit card orders, along with half that tactical gear. He wasn't dickin' around either. A review of his kit shows some serious operater choices, not like militia LARPers. I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them?
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14th January 2021, 09:48 PM	#1202
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,163	Originally Posted by Thermal I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them? I opined on this earlier in the thread.
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14th January 2021, 10:10 PM	#1204
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested. https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside. he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time.
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14th January 2021, 11:14 PM	#1205
angrysoba Philosophile Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Osaka, Japan Posts: 29,621	Originally Posted by dudalb The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested. https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside. he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time. From what I understood of Popehat's appearance on All the President's Lawyers, that sounds like he could be looking at felony murder whether the cop he beat was the one who died or not.
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15th January 2021, 12:00 AM	#1207
acbytesla Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 28,593	Originally Posted by dudalb The guy who beat the cop with the flagpole has been arrested. https://www.newscentermaine.com/arti...1-75e4b7c03c3a GUy was caught saying before the Capitol that only death could end the "treason" going on inside. he is going down hard. That little speech is going to insure he gets the max come setencing time. The blaming of ANTIFA was precious. Yeah right. Hope the guy likes prison food.
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14th January 2021, 10:00 PM	#1203
Craig4 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: I live in a swamp Posts: 22,892	Originally Posted by Thermal I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them? I think they might have been expecting the police to join them or Trump to declare martial law and real troops to support their cause. When it became apparent the police would resist and they were being reinforced, the enemy didn't go full civil war.

14th January 2021, 11:33 PM	#1206
Delvo Дэлво Δελϝο דֶלְבֹֿ देल्वो Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: North Tonawanda, NY Posts: 9,367	Originally Posted by Horatius I'm increasingly of the opinion that a whole lot of people literally went insane after 9/11, and that this was never properly recognized and dealt with. Twenty years on, we have guys like this, who have lived most of their lives in a literally insane world, surrounded by insane people, thinking the insanity was just normal. It started long before that. They were raised on insurrectionist fantasies and a persecutionist religion for decades by the time that happened.

15th January 2021, 12:10 AM	#1208
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by acbytesla The blaming of ANTIFA was precious. Yeah right. Hope the guy likes prison food. Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time.
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15th January 2021, 02:58 AM	#1209
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,233	Quote: Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post I think studies would show a direct correlation between those attending Trump rallies and mental illness and/or IQs below 100. I'm only half joking. Originally Posted by acbytesla It's not about intelligence. It's about bias, tribalism and cognitive dissonance. It's far harder to get people to change their mind than it is to persuade them before they have made a decision. These people have been sold. And they have reinforced their position by finding other sold people. They thought their guy won again because Trump took an early lead and when it flipped they didn't want to believe it. Then Trump mounted his disinformation campaign and they jumped at the opportunity to believe they were cheated. There is little you can say to them. They have their minds made up. While I agree with what you say, intelligence is also a factor with a lot of these people. Have you listened to some of these people? They can say some of the most stupid things I've ever heard and it's not because they were sold on something. It's because they're just dumb. For example, confirmed by Snopes: Quote: Armed Trump supporters protesting immigration demanded to know if a Native American legislator is in the United States "legally." Quote: "Bill Clinton got aids from messing around with Magic Johnson." "Barack Obama had a big part in 9/11 by not being around, always being on vacation, and not being in the Oval Office." "A woman can't be president. A female has more hormones, she could start a war in ten seconds if she has hot flashes...whatever. Boom." "I don't care if he has no hands. I love Donald Trump." "Have you noticed that all the trouble in the world today stems from Muslims?" "[Barack Obama] acts like a muslim, he talks like a muslim, and he also does the muslim principles as far as jewelry is concerned...certain months of the year not wearing his wedding ring." https://www.theodysseyonline.com/20-...ump-supporters

15th January 2021, 03:26 AM	#1210
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 176	Erm, a couple of questions, if that's OK? Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever? What's the basis of the Obama wedding ring quote?
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15th January 2021, 03:37 AM	#1211
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 31,629	Originally Posted by SteveAitch What's the basis of the Obama wedding ring quote? Obama allegedly takes off his wedding ring during Ramadan, a clear indication that he is a Muslim because there is a prohibition on wearing jewellery during Ramadan. There are only two flaws in that logic: - Obama doesn't take of his wedding ring during Ramadan - There is no such prohibition Those two small details aside, the reasoning is flawless https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-ring-of-truth/

15th January 2021, 03:46 AM	#1212
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 176	Thanks for the link. I suspected the missing ring might be for that reason.
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15th January 2021, 05:51 AM	#1213
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 24,354	Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim Apparently due to the coup failing, Trump is refusing to pay Giuliani - not even travelling expenses Who could possibly have foreseen this? Anyone familiar with Trump's habit of petty larceny?
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15th January 2021, 05:55 AM	#1214
catsmate No longer the 1 Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 24,354	Originally Posted by dudalb And Sacramento, my home town, will be a mirror of DC Governor Newsom has called up 1000 National GUardsmen to deploy, and the California Highway Patrol (which has protection of State Public BUidlings among it's duties) has denied a permit for a Stop the Steal protest at the Capitol on the 20th.RUmors theat the whole Capitol Mall wiill be shut off.That will pretty much shut down Central Saramento. Good.This might help reduce the spread of Covid-19 at least.
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15th January 2021, 06:19 AM	#1215
Pixel42 Schrödinger's cat Join Date: May 2004 Location: Malmesbury, UK Posts: 13,183	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever? Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying. A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ...
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15th January 2021, 06:37 AM	#1216
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 6,785	Originally Posted by dudalb Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time. Unless blanket pardons get issued. Not saying that will necessarily happen, but we should all be prepared for the possibility.

15th January 2021, 06:43 AM	#1217
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,737	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying. A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ... YOU TAKE THAT BACK! DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE! GRRRRRRR...
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15th January 2021, 06:48 AM	#1218
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,228	Originally Posted by Lerxst Space Force on Netflix is hilarious BTW. I'm hoping there is another season. I keep seeing it as "Space Ghost" And DynoMutt.
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15th January 2021, 06:52 AM	#1219
pgwenthold Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 20,228	Originally Posted by The Don Obama allegedly takes off his wedding ring during Ramadan, a clear indication that he is a Muslim because there is a prohibition on wearing jewellery during Ramadan. There are only two flaws in that logic: - Obama doesn't take of his wedding ring during Ramadan - There is no such prohibition Those two small details aside, the reasoning is flawless But that doesn't prove he's not a secret Muslim. (see, you just have to view it the right way - set backs? not a problem just continue on)
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15th January 2021, 06:58 AM	#1220
alfaniner Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Sorth Dakonsin Posts: 25,065	Originally Posted by dudalb Yeah. Don't think that little "Let's Kill All The Traitots In the Capitol" remark is not going to looked at very,very, negatively by the Judge come sentencing for assualt time. Dunno... Those little bastards have had it coming for quite some time.
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15th January 2021, 07:21 AM	#1222
turingtest Mistral, mistral wind... Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Embedded and embattled, reporting from Mississippi Posts: 4,737	Originally Posted by pgwenthold But that doesn't prove he's not a secret Muslim. (see, you just have to view it the right way - set backs? not a problem just continue on) And that's probably just what they would say, with no apparent awareness that the original claim- Quote: "[Barack Obama] acts like a muslim, he talks like a muslim, and he also does the muslim principles as far as jewelry is concerned...certain months of the year not wearing his wedding ring." -was that he was an open Muslim. These aren't people who select their positions according to facts, they're people who select facts according to their positions.
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15th January 2021, 07:27 AM	#1223
Ryokan Insert something funny here Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Norway Posts: 10,431	Originally Posted by Thermal I've been wondering about the contingent that seemed more prepared to get nasty, but didn't. Were they waiting for a signal that didn't come, or was aborted? Were they just over-preppers that wanted to be ready for anything? Or did they have second thoughts when the reality hit them? I don't know how many of them were followers of Q-Anon, but Q had assured them that once they breached the Capitol, secret military units would join them. That's probably why they were just wondering about confused once they got in.

15th January 2021, 07:49 AM	#1224
TheSupermeerkat Graduate Poster Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 1,010	Q Shaman requests pardon from Trump https://thehill.com/homenews/news/53...orming-capitol "The fact that we had a bunch of our traitors in office hunker down, put on their gas masks and retreat into their underground bunker, I consider that a win," claims dumbass who went on hunger strike in prison for not receiving organic food.

15th January 2021, 08:08 AM	#1225
cosmicaug Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,465	Originally Posted by Delvo It started long before that. They were raised on insurrectionist fantasies and a persecutionist religion for decades by the time that happened. When you wrote that, it made me think of all the variety of active militia movements we've had from well before 2000. However, this essay may be as relevant (or more): https://jezebel.com/i-was-raised-on-the-lie-of-the-reluctant-rural-insurre-1846006392
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15th January 2021, 08:13 AM	#1226
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 14,878	Originally Posted by Pixel42 Yes and no. Yes, hot flushes are a symptom of the menopause in some women. No, they don't cause us to start wars. They're just slightly annoying. A sudden surge of testosterone, OTOH ... more investigation needed I suggest that we hand over all military control to women age 40+ and observe what happens.
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15th January 2021, 08:22 AM	#1227
slyjoe Master Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Near Harmonica Virgins, AZ Posts: 2,597	Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza more investigation needed I suggest that we hand over all military control to women age 40+ and observe what happens. You know the problem with having a woman president? One week a month they'll act like men do four weeks a month. Don't remember where I heard that. I think maybe a woman comedian.
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15th January 2021, 08:43 AM	#1228
JoeMorgue Self Employed Remittance Man Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 31,581	Women would neither cause wars for no reason nor usher us into a new age of peace. Almost as if women are people.
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15th January 2021, 09:24 AM	#1229
Armitage72 Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 5,431	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Women would neither cause wars for no reason nor usher us into a new age of peace. Almost as if women are people. Back in the 1950s, one of the science fiction comics from EC Comics printed a story in which a woman ran for President as an independent. It was viewed as a joke until the women in the country decided to vote for her instead of who their husbands told them to vote for (Gasp!), and she won. Congress tried to have the Supreme Court declare the election invalid, in an oddly prescient moment, but all but one of the Justices were married, and their wives wouldn't let them do it. They later tried to amend the Constitution to say that the President had to be a man in the future, but by then she had inspired other women to run for office and they couldn't get the majority they needed. This eventually led to an upheaval in society, but the story lost steam at that point, and the rest of it was just 1950s cliches with the sexes reversed. Women upset that their father-in-laws were coming to live with them. Men upset that their wives wouldn't buy them new appliances. Women going to war while men worked in the factories. A female executive calling her husband to say she's working late, while a giggling male secretary sits on her lap. Male drivers flirting with female police officers to get out of tickets. The final panel revealed that this somehow eventually led to men having babies instead of women.
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15th January 2021, 10:26 AM	#1230
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,396	Originally Posted by SteveAitch Pardon my ignorance, but don't women only start with the hot flushes when they reach the menopause? So they would be OK as president up to then? At which point you invoke article 25 or whatever? The "whatever" probably covers every other eventuality. Like period pains, arguments with their girlfriends, breaking a nail, you never know what might set them off and then you have World War III on your hands.
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15th January 2021, 10:57 AM	#1231
Safe-Keeper Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Norway Posts: 10,396	The Norwegian evening post holds no punches. The caption reads 'a man without honour'. Edit: here's the full size image.
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15th January 2021, 12:50 PM	#1232
Horatius NWO Kitty Wrangler Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 29,163	Originally Posted by TheSupermeerkat Q Shaman requests pardon from Trump And I'm pretty sure he just screwed himself out of a pardon in the process. Quote: “My client had heard the oft-repeated words of President Trump,” Watkins said, according to local CBS station KMOV4. “The words and invitation of a president are supposed to mean something. Given the peaceful and compliant fashion in which Mr. Chansley comported himself, it would be appropriate and honorable for the president to pardon Mr. Chansley and other like-minded, peaceful individuals who accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions.” Issuing a pardon because he "accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions" pretty much would be an admission that Trump did, in fact, incite them to commit these acts, and we know Trump isn't big on admitting things.
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15th January 2021, 12:54 PM	#1233
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B Unless blanket pardons get issued. Not saying that will necessarily happen, but we should all be prepared for the possibility. Won't happen for one reason: By doing that Trump would make his conviction in the Impeachment Trial a 100% certainity.
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15th January 2021, 12:55 PM	#1234
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 50,618	Originally Posted by Horatius And I'm pretty sure he just screwed himself out of a pardon in the process. Issuing a pardon because he "accepted the president’s invitation with honorable intentions" pretty much would be an admission that Trump did, in fact, incite them to commit these acts, and we know Trump isn't big on admitting things. Ah, a new twist on the good old NUremburg defens: "I was only following orders".
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15th January 2021, 02:50 PM	#1235
Firestone Proud Award Award recipient Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,998	Five days to go. The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary." Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial. https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19
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15th January 2021, 03:29 PM	#1236
varwoche Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Puget Sound Posts: 15,467	Originally Posted by Firestone Five days to go. The MyPillow guy visits Trump at the White House today with notes that mention "trigger emergency powers" and "martial law if necessary." Could be an interesting witness at the Senate trial. https://twitter.com/jabinbotsford/st...564905985?s=19 The most amusing aspects -- he needed those notes as reminders, and he managed to make them visible. I feel compelled to add, MyPillows are Motel 6 quality. And I wonder, does oleander dims the wits? Where's Chuck Woolery when you need him?
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