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Old 11th September 2019, 09:17 AM   #2721
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He has just said in the people's pmqs that staying in the EU will cost us £250m a week.

He is clearly trying to correct the big fat liar who wrote it was £350m a week 3 years ago.

Oh.
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Old 11th September 2019, 09:25 AM   #2722
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Yeah, the first one was all about selecting questions that allowed Johnson to parrot his usual talking points. So I'd imagine this one will be all about getting Brexit done, respecting the will of the people, etc. They'll probably throw in Cummings' line about the media only talking to the wealthy elite and ignoring the 'real people' who wants Brexit.
Like the "ordinary person" who told BoJo to leave Leeds?
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Old 11th September 2019, 09:28 AM   #2723
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Originally Posted by Lothian View Post
He has just said in the people's pmqs that staying in the EU will cost us £250m a week.

He is clearly trying to correct the big fat liar who wrote it was £350m a week 3 years ago.

Oh.
With a slightly smaller lie...
Jeebus this is just pathetic. How can anyone support this cretin?
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Old 11th September 2019, 09:41 AM   #2724
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My (leave voting, 81 year old) sister was telling me last week how we coped with rationing after the war, we can cope with it again etc. I said "the difference is that this will be entirely self inflicted". To my surprise this actually seemed to give her pause, and she quickly changed the subject.
This attitude is something I have seen so much of in the U.K. "We have experienced hardship before and we will survive it as we always have because we are a great country!"

Is is tantamount to saying "we recovered from breaking both our legs after someone crashed into us deliberately 80 years ago so I am happy to have it happen again even if it's self inflicted."

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Old 11th September 2019, 09:48 AM   #2725
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Facebook?
How on earth are they planning on controlling that?
The same way they intend to control the border?
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Old 11th September 2019, 10:02 AM   #2726
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Originally Posted by KDLarsen View Post
Per the Guardian's live politics blog, the "People's PMQ" are more of the same, a chance for Johnson to repeat his usual talking points.

Edit: Some of the softballs being served up for him:
Q: How will you restore faith in politics?
Q: Can you confirm we will leave the EU on 31 October?
Q: Can you confirm the extra money for the NHS will involve real, extra spending?
Q: Are you planning to leave without a deal?
Over all this was an incredibly lackluster performance. He really didn't say anything insightful. I don't know whose idea this was, but they should seriously reconsider this failed attempt at "connecting" with the public.
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Old 11th September 2019, 11:39 AM   #2727
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
The same way they intend to control the border?
By blaming the EU for having to impose a border that they demanded?
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Old 11th September 2019, 11:55 AM   #2728
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For those of you not planning on sleeping Open Yellowhammer is out.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:03 PM   #2729
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For those of you not planning on sleeping Open Yellowhammer is out.
Partially redacted
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
For those of you not planning on sleeping Open Yellowhammer is out.
The yellowhammer song: "A little bit of bread and no cheese". Well, the Brie and Edam might be more expensive

The Guardian described the People's PMQ as 'execrable', which is surprisingly hard to say after a couple of glasses of wine.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:17 PM   #2731
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The yellowhammer song: "A little bit of bread and no cheese". Well, the Brie and Edam might be more expensive

The Guardian described the People's PMQ as 'execrable', which is surprisingly hard to say after a couple of glasses of wine.
Remarkably close to excrement too. Is that what it means?
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:18 PM   #2732
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For those of you not planning on sleeping Open Yellowhammer is out.

Yellowhammer......who is the genius who that name for a crisis contingency plan was a good idea?

Sounds like a Marvel or DC Supervillian, or the title of a James Bond movie.

I am a Yank, so not impacted (we have our own problems) but to me the UK is screwed badly if No Deal Happens, and it won't take long for the effects to happen.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:19 PM   #2733
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Remarkably close to excrement too. Is that what it means?
Yeah, pretty much.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:20 PM   #2734
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How long until the Queen raised her standard at Oxford?
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:30 PM   #2735
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Yellowhammer......who is the genius who that name for a crisis contingency plan was a good idea?



Sounds like a Marvel or DC Supervillian, or the title of a James Bond movie.



I am a Yank, so not impacted (we have our own problems) but to me the UK is screwed badly if No Deal Happens, and it won't take long for the effects to happen.
As GlennB said, there are traditional phrases which match the cadence of birdsong and allow kids to learn which species they're hearing. The song of the Yellowhammer is "a little bit of bread and no cheese", hinting at the wit of the person who came up with the codename.
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She said: “We first have to receive a formal ask. Governments talk to the commission, that’s the way it works. There is no such thing, for example, as parliament asking for an extension. Those who have the legitimacy to represent a country are those who sit at the table of the European council.

“If – and that’s a big if, it seems … we try to follow what’s happening in the UK – but if there is such an ask, we have always said that ‘time for time’ is not an option. So if there is a change in the political scene – a new government, the announcement of elections, something that makes us think the landscape of the discussions is changing – then we will consider an extension.

“I cannot tell you now what might be decided now in such a situation on a night in Brussels in October,” the French minister added. “As we have said, under current circumstances, the answer is no: if nothing changes, we have always said time alone is not a sufficient reason [for another extension]. We cannot commit today, because we have no concrete scenarios yet.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...thames-no-deal

Those who seem to think it's certain the EU would agree to another extension, just for the British politicians to once again say no to everything other than no-deal, should remember that the EU has repeatedly said it would not consent to another extension unless the UK can justify it.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:42 PM   #2737
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Remarkably close to excrement too. Is that what it means?
Not sure, but 'excrement' would describe it well enough anyway
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Partially redacted
Probably to do with civil unrest as it follows on from the para about increased protests and long lorry delays.
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Old 11th September 2019, 12:47 PM   #2739
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For those of you not planning on sleeping Open Yellowhammer is out.
It is only a couple of pages.

It is also no new information? Seems like all the things people said would happen.
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The text of the redacted bit:

Quote:
15. Facing EU tariffs makes petrol exports to the EU uncompetitive. Industry had plans to mitigate the impact on refinery margins and profitability but UK Government policy to set petrol import tariffs at 0% inadvertently undermines these plans. This leads to significant financial losses and announcement of two refinery closures (and transition to import terminals) and direct job losses (about 2000). Resulting strike action at refineries would lead to disruptions to fuel availability for 1-2 weeks in the regions directly supplied by the refineries.
Source : https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/st...74282017869824
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How long until the Queen raised her standard at Oxford?
You mean that Boris is on the side of Parliament in rebellion against Liz? That seems most implausible. This time it may be the Crown and parliament who will be acting together in rebellion against an "evil counsellor" who presumes to deceive Her Majesty in order to usurp her loyal Commons.

Off with his head.
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You mean that Boris is on the side of Parliament in rebellion against Liz? That seems most implausible. This time it may be the Crown and parliament who will be acting together in rebellion against an "evil counsellor" who presumes to deceive Her Majesty in order to usurp her loyal Commons.

Off with his head.
Did he give a reason to the queen for the request?
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Did he give a reason to the queen for the request?
The FT's legal editor writes:
The Scottish court has found unanimously that the Prime Minister misled the Queen. In effect, the court has held that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen so as to obtain prorogation. Wow. Just, wow. Not seen a court decision like this in thirty years of constitutional geekery.”
The reason why he wants prorogation is presumably so that he can perform constitutionally nefarious deeds without interference from her Majesty's loyal Commons. That's the sort of thing that Evil Counsellors traditionally do.
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The FT's legal editor writes:
The Scottish court has found unanimously that the Prime Minister misled the Queen. In effect, the court has held that Boris Johnson lied to the Queen so as to obtain prorogation. Wow. Just, wow. Not seen a court decision like this in thirty years of constitutional geekery.”
The reason why he wants prorogation is presumably so that he can perform constitutionally nefarious deeds without interference from her Majesty's loyal Commons. That's the sort of thing that Evil Counsellors traditionally do.
So, what did he tell the queen?
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Remarkably close to excrement too. Is that what it means?
Not exactly, their etomology is different.
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Yellowhammer......who is the genius who that name for a crisis contingency plan was a good idea?

Sounds like a Marvel or DC Supervillian, or the title of a James Bond movie.

I am a Yank, so not impacted (we have our own problems) but to me the UK is screwed badly if No Deal Happens, and it won't take long for the effects to happen.
They use a big book of codewords. C.f. The "Rainbow Codes".
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Source : https://twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/st...74282017869824
bit naughty to redact that. claim of commercial sensitivity seems to be another lie
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Probably to do with civil unrest as it follows on from the para about increased protests and long lorry delays.
I just bet every half-baked terrorist and malcontent is waiting for Brexit. The potential for maximum death and disruption is amazing.


On a related note I heard from a former colleague (we worked at Giant IT Services Company together) who's been told her planned break over the debacle period has been cancelled.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
bit naughty to redact that. claim of commercial sensitivity seems to be another lie
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Just for clarity on Yellowhammer, as I am seeing some incorrect things about.
This is the same version The Sunday Times had in mid-August. However, the header of that was different. It said: "HMG Planning Assumptions" then "Base scenario".
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This one is now claiming to be "HMG reasonable worst case planning assumptions". Bit of a change no?
And why they thought anyone would fall for this, I don't know...
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Theyve changed the title of the yellowhammer document before releasing it to pretend once again its a worst case.

at the same time its revealed that 4 and a half billion pounds of short positions are invested on brexit by hedge funds linked to Bojo and Vote Leave.

and a minister goes on tv to disparage the impartiality if the judiciary.

utterly criminal.
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confirmed by legal bods that the decision in court today means parliament is still in session and should be sitting. be interesting to see if the speaker and others will act on this tonorrow
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This also isn't the 37 page pack that the DfT prepared presumably just for that department.
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Theyve changed the title of the yellowhammer document before releasing it to pretend once again its a worst case.
I wonder if Trump lent Johnson his sharpie.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Theyve changed the title of the yellowhammer document before releasing it to pretend once again its a worst case.

at the same time its revealed that 4 and a half billion pounds of short positions are invested on brexit by hedge funds linked to Bojo and Vote Leave.

and a minister goes on tv to disparage the impartiality if the judiciary.

utterly criminal.
What's scary is that if the worst does come to the worst then the Gov. will go full ceptimus, blame the EU for its intransigence, and get 40% support from the people. Factor in those who don't like Brexit but just can't help but vote Tory and they could just win the next election.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Yellowhammer......who is the genius who that name for a crisis contingency plan was a good idea?



Sounds like a Marvel or DC Supervillian, or the title of a James Bond movie.



I am a Yank, so not impacted (we have our own problems) but to me the UK is screwed badly if No Deal Happens, and it won't take long for the effects to happen.
It possibly has serious consequences for the globe. With Trump doing his best to bring on a recession, all we need is for the UK to add to the instability in global financial markets.
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Originally Posted by Craig B View Post
You mean that Boris is on the side of Parliament in rebellion against Liz? That seems most implausible. This time it may be the Crown and parliament who will be acting together in rebellion against an "evil counsellor" who presumes to deceive Her Majesty in order to usurp her loyal Commons.

Off with his head.
Just making a joke....
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Old 11th September 2019, 03:18 PM   #2757
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What's scary is that if the worst does come to the worst then the Gov. will go full ceptimus, blame the EU for its intransigence, and get 40% support from the people. Factor in those who don't like Brexit but just can't help but vote Tory and they could just win the next election.
In any two party system, the two major parties will each get 40% automatically...the Mickey Mouse voters.(They would vote for Mickey Mouse if he headed the party ticket),
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Old 11th September 2019, 04:07 PM   #2758
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
In any two party system, the two major parties will each get 40% automatically...the Mickey Mouse voters.(They would vote for Mickey Mouse if he headed the party ticket),
the uk isnt a two party system
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Old 11th September 2019, 05:36 PM   #2759
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Old 11th September 2019, 05:47 PM   #2760
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
In any two party system, the two major parties will each get 40% automatically...the Mickey Mouse voters.(They would vote for Mickey Mouse if he headed the party ticket),
As mentioned, it’s not a two-party system by any stretch. Only recently we had a Con-DUP alliance and before that a Con-Dem coalition. This is not to mention the SNP who dominate the Scottish constituencies and Plaid Cymru who have a fair amount of support in Wales, and of course the Brexit Party who won a string of seats in the EU elections and whose earlier incarnation UKIP scared the Conservatives into pandering to anti-EU sentiment in the run-up to and aftermath of the European election.

That said, both main parties are headed up by Mickey Mouse so we shall see soon enough what voters make of them.
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