[Continuation] Donald Trump has 'dangerous mental illness' say psychiatry experts at Yale... Pt 3 - Page 43

Stacyhs · 22nd February 2021, 06:11 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh. Being germophobic is relatively common. Is Howie Mandell “grossly disturbed?”

How is a seven step process in pouring a coke and demanding that no one's steak is bigger than his relevant to being a germaphobe?

Skeptic Ginger · 22nd February 2021, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

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The point is that this isn't evidence of "dangerous mental illness." Bob001 opened his post with "More evidence:" Evidence of what, exactly?

That would be the cherry picking part of your unsupportable defense.

Biden held a memorial today for the 500,000+ COVID deaths.

Are you claiming the Capitol riot on Jan 6th and the complete denial of the COVID pandemic were not evidence the man was dangerous as POTUS?

BTW, Mary Trump was spot on.

mgidm86 · 22nd February 2021, 08:52 PM

About the riot, I would say that his hours long wait before even pretending to attempt to calm things was dangerous and deliberate, and is a very specific action we can look at.

That can't be rationalized away. It happened and we all saw it.

But the Covid response is the biggie. He only cared about the election and every single one of his actions confirms this. He put hundreds of millions of lives at risk for his own gain.

His narcissism (mentally ill) killed people (dangerous).

Mary Trump should get the million dollar prize. Nobody else to my knowledge has been nearly as accurate at predicting the future.

Stacyhs · 22nd February 2021, 11:38 PM

Mary Trump has certainly 'interviewed' him many times in person when he didn't know he was being 'interviewed' so him guard was down.

Bob001 · 23rd February 2021, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

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Mary Trump should get the million dollar prize. Nobody else to my knowledge has been nearly as accurate at predicting the future.

Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439

Stacyhs · 23rd February 2021, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by Bob001

Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439

I found Cohen's book to be very illuminating and spot on when it came to explaining how Trump's mind works. He accurately predicted a lot of how Trump would act if he lost the election.

dann · 23rd February 2021, 03:18 AM

Originally Posted by xjx388

I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh.

No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency.

Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

SteveAitch · 23rd February 2021, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by dann

No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency.

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Yeah, but they have a real reason behind them (usually) - to make sure that the venue is fulfilling the rest of the contract with the band.

xjx388 · 23rd February 2021, 10:51 AM

Originally Posted by dann

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Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context.

bruto · 23rd February 2021, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by xjx388

Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context.

A slightly off topic aside, long ago I read a little puff piece about J Edgar Hoover's charitable work. He refused to eat treats people sent, so as a humanitarian gesture, he sent them to a nearby orphanage. Of course the reason he did not eat them was that he feared they were poisoned.

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd February 2021, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by dann

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Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

xjx388 · 23rd February 2021, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

Maybe it's a particular phobia about restaraurants? Or maybe it's something akin to what SteveAitch alluded to re: measuring compliance with the rest of the operating procedures of the restaurant. I tend to think it's more phobic but his refusal to wear masks kind of calls that into question. Then again, I doubt he's good enough at managing hotels and restaurants to implement such a measurement tool.

It could also be that he's not a germophobe per se, but that he is afraid that someone will try to poison him or something. But then you have the whole purell thing.

I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1...

dann · 23rd February 2021, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by xjx388

I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1...

Not at all! Phobias are mental disorders in their own right. Trump's germophobia is in addition to his psychopathy.

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

Even Trump knows that any kind of mask will improve his looks. His worry is that face masks will make him look weak, not ugly. It's the same worry that made Bunker Boy pretend that he only went into hiding for a very short time in order to inspect it.

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd February 2021, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by dann

...Even Trump knows that any kind of mask will improve his looks. His worry is that face masks will make him look weak, not ugly. It's the same worry that made Bunker Boy pretend that he only went into hiding for a very short time in order to inspect it.

Don't know if "looking better" is sarcasm.

Did you see trump when he finally decided he could wear a mask? Notice how he looks in one was important enough to mention? It's near the beginning.

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Minoosh · 23rd February 2021, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by dann

No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that.

Diet Coke, please! If they gave him Coke Zero he would probably burst a blood vessel.

Hmm ... no I don't wish that on him.

To know everything going on with Trump I think you'd need a neurological workup. He was always a raving egomaniac but he used to be able to speak normally.

Modified · 23rd February 2021, 09:48 PM

To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit.

Skeptic Ginger · 23rd February 2021, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Modified

To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit.

Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved.

Ladewig · 24th February 2021, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger

Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved.

He certainly thinks he is.

He might really believe he won the election because it might be incomprehensible to him that 75 million people prefer Biden over him.

I suspect that his whole more-than-8-years shtick fell somewhere between a belief that he is so beloved that the populace would rise up and insist on Trump forever and a belief that The Chosen One always gets his way.

dann · 24th February 2021, 04:24 AM

81 million. Trump got 74.

jimbob · Yesterday, 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by dann

Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.

His germophobia combined with his well-documented habit of having unprotected sex with porn stars in the 1980s and 1990s. Remember his assertion that his avoiding STIs then was "his Vietnam".

22nd February 2021, 08:52 PM	#1683
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23rd February 2021, 12:39 AM	#1685
Bob001 Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: US of A Posts: 12,625	Originally Posted by mgidm86 ..... Mary Trump should get the million dollar prize. Nobody else to my knowledge has been nearly as accurate at predicting the future. Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439
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23rd February 2021, 03:18 AM	#1687
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,562	Originally Posted by xjx388 I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh. No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency. Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway.
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23rd February 2021, 07:33 AM	#1688
SteveAitch Thinker Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: St Aines Posts: 126	Originally Posted by dann No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Many celebrities act in bizarre ways. Look at the backstage demands of many performers, for instance. I used to teach classes of hotel receptionists back in the late 1980s and early 1990s. It was funny listening in on them when they were swapping stories about celebrity behavior at hotels. Nothing is better at bringing the psychopathy out in a psychopath than people whose sole purpose on Earth, in their opinion, is to be there for them, which, of course, for Trump is everybody, and no thing is as good at making it obvious that you are dealing with psychopaths than a presidency. ... Yeah, but they have a real reason behind them (usually) - to make sure that the venue is fulfilling the rest of the contract with the band.
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23rd February 2021, 10:51 AM	#1689
xjx388 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,140	Originally Posted by dann <snip> Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway. Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context.
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22nd February 2021, 06:11 PM	#1681
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,004	Originally Posted by xjx388 I mean “grotesquely disturbed “ seems a bit harsh. Being germophobic is relatively common. Is Howie Mandell “grossly disturbed?” How is a seven step process in pouring a coke and demanding that no one's steak is bigger than his relevant to being a germaphobe?

22nd February 2021, 07:20 PM	#1682
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,876	Originally Posted by xjx388 .... The point is that this isn't evidence of "dangerous mental illness." Bob001 opened his post with "More evidence:" Evidence of what, exactly? That would be the cherry picking part of your unsupportable defense. Biden held a memorial today for the 500,000+ COVID deaths. Are you claiming the Capitol riot on Jan 6th and the complete denial of the COVID pandemic were not evidence the man was dangerous as POTUS? BTW, Mary Trump was spot on.

22nd February 2021, 11:38 PM	#1684
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,004	Mary Trump has certainly 'interviewed' him many times in person when he didn't know he was being 'interviewed' so him guard was down.

23rd February 2021, 12:44 AM	#1686
Stacyhs Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: United States Posts: 18,004	Originally Posted by Bob001 Michael Cohen is a close second. Almost two years before the election, he was telling Congress Trump would never allow a peaceful transition if he lost. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/micha...b0d3a48b564439 I found Cohen's book to be very illuminating and spot on when it came to explaining how Trump's mind works. He accurately predicted a lot of how Trump would act if he lost the election.

23rd February 2021, 11:28 AM	#1690
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 27,708	Originally Posted by xjx388 Is it really the combination of "germophobia" + "utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else" that's the give away? I would have thought the disregard was plenty bad enough all on it's own to conclude that Trump is unfit to be and dangerous as POTUS -whether or not he is mentally ill. The germophobia is literally nothing in that context. A slightly off topic aside, long ago I read a little puff piece about J Edgar Hoover's charitable work. He refused to eat treats people sent, so as a humanitarian gesture, he sent them to a nearby orphanage. Of course the reason he did not eat them was that he feared they were poisoned.
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23rd February 2021, 11:53 AM	#1691
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,876	Originally Posted by dann ... Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway. Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one.

23rd February 2021, 01:06 PM	#1692
xjx388 Philosopher Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 9,140	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one. Maybe it's a particular phobia about restaraurants? Or maybe it's something akin to what SteveAitch alluded to re: measuring compliance with the rest of the operating procedures of the restaurant. I tend to think it's more phobic but his refusal to wear masks kind of calls that into question. Then again, I doubt he's good enough at managing hotels and restaurants to implement such a measurement tool. It could also be that he's not a germophobe per se, but that he is afraid that someone will try to poison him or something. But then you have the whole purell thing. I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1...
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23rd February 2021, 02:25 PM	#1693
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,562	Originally Posted by xjx388 I'm sure an expert will be along shortly to assure me that it's definitely another symptom of his mental illness in 3...2...1... Not at all! Phobias are mental disorders in their own right. Trump's germophobia is in addition to his psychopathy. Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Not very useful when you deny masks are necessary because you personally are worried that you don't look as wonderful as you believe you look without one. Even Trump knows that any kind of mask will improve his looks. His worry is that face masks will make him look weak, not ugly. It's the same worry that made Bunker Boy pretend that he only went into hiding for a very short time in order to inspect it.
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23rd February 2021, 08:30 PM	#1695
Minoosh Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 12,238	Originally Posted by dann No, it doesn't. I don't think that his Coke Zero procedures are the best evidence for that. Diet Coke, please! If they gave him Coke Zero he would probably burst a blood vessel. Hmm ... no I don't wish that on him. To know everything going on with Trump I think you'd need a neurological workup. He was always a raving egomaniac but he used to be able to speak normally.

23rd February 2021, 09:48 PM	#1696
Modified Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,890	To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit.
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23rd February 2021, 10:16 PM	#1697
Skeptic Ginger Nasty Woman Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 86,876	Originally Posted by Modified To be fair, having the Coke and ketchup opened in front of him probably reduced the amount of bodily fluids he consumed over the years by a fair bit. Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved.

24th February 2021, 03:47 AM	#1698
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,036	Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger Nooo, you mean someone might spit in his food? That would never happen. Trump is loved. He certainly thinks he is. He might really believe he won the election because it might be incomprehensible to him that 75 million people prefer Biden over him. I suspect that his whole more-than-8-years shtick fell somewhere between a belief that he is so beloved that the populace would rise up and insist on Trump forever and a belief that The Chosen One always gets his way.
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24th February 2021, 04:24 AM	#1699
dann Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 13,562	81 million. Trump got 74.
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Yesterday, 03:12 AM	#1700
jimbob Uncritical "thinker" Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: UK Posts: 22,794	Originally Posted by dann Bunker Boy's Coke Zero behavior is a minor thing in that context, but his germophobia combined with his utter disregard for the life and health of everybody else is a giveaway. His germophobia combined with his well-documented habit of having unprotected sex with porn stars in the 1980s and 1990s. Remember his assertion that his avoiding STIs then was "his Vietnam".
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