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Old 3rd May 2019, 11:56 AM   #241
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
No - nobody is "intimidated" by being hit with an egg, nor are they intended to be. The point is humiliation. There's even an idiom in English - "to have egg on one's face". This idiom references egging, and it describes a state of being humiliated, not intimidated.
You forgot 'physically assaulted'. Own what you are advocating.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 11:58 AM   #242
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Originally Posted by sadhatter View Post
The level of power they wield, the level and quantity of their military equipment, their level of organization, control of the cultural zeitgeist, governmental control, percentage of the population, among many others.



Thinking you are fighting the same fight that was fought in ww2 downright offensive get over yourself you are picking on neckbeards grumbling about "those people" not a well armed and organized force.
In the past most Americans I'd have thought would have been against appeasement, is it a new thing to now advocate for appeasement with Nazis?
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Old 3rd May 2019, 11:59 AM   #243
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Thankfully Nazis haven't been in power for sometime so they haven't been able to kill millions of our fellow citizens for sometime. I'm happy about that and I'd like that to remain the case.
You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.

Real Nazis = real problems

BS gasbag = BS problem
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:05 PM   #244
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In regards to egging someone. Egging someone is assault, albeit a low grade of assault but it shouldn't be condoned and should be treated like other low grade assault. I really don't see that changes whether it is a Nazi or antifa being egged.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:09 PM   #245
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
Great. Let's get that in the school curriculum under 'problem solving strategies' asap.
If you think you have a better solution or response, feel free to engage in it - I wish you the best of luck. The world of solutions is not divided however into "the absolute best solution" and "everything else, which on account of not being the absolute best solution must never be used".

You think a Nazi being provoked enough to come out swinging is a reasonable, or if not reasonable, at least such a predictable consequence of someone egging the Nazi that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect that to happen in response, yes?

I think a member of the public being provoked enough to egg the Nazi (or pick up his dropped flag and rip it up) is a reasonable, or at least such a predictable consequence of someone espousing Nazi ideology and propaganda in public that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect things like that to happen in response.

Maybe you are failing to understand, or fully appreciate, just how especially risible Nazi/white nationalistideology in particular is to the public's conscience. The way people in this thread - and other threads - continue to characterize it as a matter of "leftists" simply "reacting to a different viewpoint" seems to indicate this - as if someone who would "violently" egg a Nazi would do the same thing to someone who disagreed with them on pizza toppings, or whether the dress is white or blue, and Nazi ideology itself was no more invalid or harmful ir particularly deserving of universal rejection than an alternative opinion about these topics.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:10 PM   #246
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.



Real Nazis = real problems



BS gasbag = BS problem
As I've said before if someone is so stupid they identify themself as a Nazi but aren't, well it's rare we allow stupidity to be an acceptable excuse for breaking the law and if they are that stupid we are probably better with them off the street anyway! (I believe advocating for millions of your fellow citizens to be killed and so on should be illegal, it's incitement to murder.)
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:18 PM   #247
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.
Pretentious gasbags is literally all the Nazis were in the 30's, until they worked their way into positions where they were free to be gassing murderers.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
If you think you have a better solution or response, feel free to engage in it - I wish you the best of luck. The world of solutions is not divided however into "the absolute best solution" and "everything else, which on account of not being the absolute best solution must never be used".

You think a Nazi being provoked enough to come out swinging is a reasonable, or if not reasonable, at least such a predictable consequence of someone egging the Nazi that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect that to happen in response, yes?

I think a member of the public being provoked enough to egg the Nazi (or pick up his dropped flag and rip it up) is a reasonable, or at least such a predictable consequence of someone espousing Nazi ideology and propaganda in public that anyone who does so, and certainly we as observers, should fully expect things like that to happen in response.

Maybe you are failing to understand, or fully appreciate, just how especially risible Nazi/white nationalistideology in particular is to the public's conscience. The way people in this thread - and other threads - continue to characterize it as a matter of "leftists" simply "reacting to a different viewpoint" seems to indicate this - as if someone who would "violently" egg a Nazi would do the same thing to someone who disagreed with them on pizza toppings, or whether the dress is white or blue, and Nazi ideology itself was no more invalid or harmful ir particularly deserving of universal rejection than an alternative opinion about these topics.
How are radicals of Islam, or Stalinists/Leninists dealt with? Is egging the method you prescribe for their de-radicalization?
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:28 PM   #249
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As I've said before if someone is so stupid they identify themself as a Nazi but aren't, well it's rare we allow stupidity to be an acceptable excuse for breaking the law and if they are that stupid we are probably better with them off the street anyway! (I believe advocating for millions of your fellow citizens to be killed and so on should be illegal, it's incitement to murder.)
MAGA hats are declared to be Nazi even if the wearer doesn't identify as Nazi. I wonder if that means that the person saying "MAGA = Nazi" is stupid.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 12:33 PM   #250
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MAGA hats are declared to be Nazi even if the wearer doesn't identify as Nazi. I wonder if that means that the person saying "MAGA = Nazi" is stupid.
Yeah lots of people throw what they consider insults at others regardless of accuracy or truth, did you really not know that?
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Originally Posted by Darat View Post
Yeah lots of people throw what they consider insults at others regardless of accuracy or truth, did you really not know that?
I would never punch or throw eggs at somebody who I think is really dangerous. Those are really stupid moves. If I really think that they are really dangerous I will not go near them.

If I don't truly regard them as dangerous then I might egg them. I don't think that these people punching, milkshaking and egging the Nazis are doing it because they regard them as actually dangerous - rather instead because they hate them. A hate assault without fear - fear that would occur if there was real danger.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 01:23 PM   #252
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You forgot 'physically assaulted'. Own what you are advocating.
Yeah put it in that bucket. The one that brings images of people being beat up to mind. Or they could own exactly what is being advocated, egging a Nazi.
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Originally Posted by Bouncing Bettys View Post
How are radicals of Islam, or Stalinists/Leninists dealt with?
I think you're in the wrong thread; this thread is about Nazis.
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I think you're in the wrong thread; this thread is about Nazis.
The question that BB clearly infers is right on point: Are there other groups who deserve to be assaulted like this? Or just nazis?
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The question that BB clearly infers is right on point: Are there other groups who deserve to be assaulted like this? Or just nazis?
"Nazis".
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
"Nazis".
Yeah good point; calling the guy with the Swastika pendant and the Nazi-eagle flag a Nazi is probably just an example of rhetorical exaggeration.
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
The question that BB clearly infers is right on point: Are there other groups who deserve to be assaulted like this? Or just nazis?
So far as I'm aware, only the Nazi/white-nationalist set freely engages in this kind of posturing in the public square to the same degree. So I'm okay specially singling them out for this kind of treatment. I have not known any Islamic extremists to stand on a street corner in a major city like New York proclaiming that all the infidels need to be exterminated. There are internet websites and private meetings where some doubtless espouse these things; but those by their nature are fairly safe from the wrath of the Ovoid Menace. When nazi/white nationalists used to limit themselves to these same venues of self-expression, they likewise never had to live in fear of the beautifully subtle, almost inaudible crackling of fragile, contact-compacted eggshell and the resultant slimy coat of albumen and cheerfully-sunlike yolk oozing its way down their hair and garments. It really is a fairly foolproof defense; perhaps it would be best for them to once again retreat to those protective ramparts and own the libs by thus rendering themselves "un-eggable".
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Yeah good point; calling the guy with the Swastika pendant and the Nazi-eagle flag a Nazi is probably just an example of rhetorical exaggeration.
Before long we'll be editing out all the slanderous accusations on Hitler's Wikipedia page.
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In regards to egging someone. Egging someone is assault, albeit a low grade of assault but it shouldn't be condoned and should be treated like other low grade assault. I really don't see that changes whether it is a Nazi or antifa being egged.
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Yeah good point; calling the guy with the Swastika pendant and the Nazi-eagle flag a Nazi is probably just an example of rhetorical exaggeration.
Sarcastically says the guy who doesn't think throwing eggs at people is violence, and who doesn't think that attacking people and taking their stuff is robbery. I'm not going to take your word, that you have any scruples about shifting your definition of "nazi" to suit your inclination to political violence.
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Sarcastically says the guy who doesn't think throwing eggs at people is violence, and who doesn't think that attacking people and taking their stuff is robbery.
FWIW, the person who picked up the abandoned flag and ripped it up, is not the same person who threw the egg. There's no evidence in the video that the person who picked up the flag ever touched or even made an aggressive move toward the Nazi before doing so. If you want to assert he was coordinating his actions somehow with the egg thrower by virtue of being there at the same time and also not liking the Nazi, that sounds like the beginnings of a conspiracy theory.

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I'm not going to take your word, that you have any scruples about shifting your definition of "nazi" to suit your inclination to political violence.
Well sadly, I can't do anything about this. If you must assume the worst of me because I - evidently unfairly - assume the worst of a man wearing a Nazi iconography, that's certainly your prerogative.
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FWIW, the person who picked up the abandoned flag and ripped it up, is not the same person who threw the egg. There's no evidence in the video that the person who picked up the flag ever touched or even made an aggressive move toward the Nazi before doing so. If you want to assert he was coordinating his actions somehow with the egg thrower by virtue of being there at the same time and also not liking the Nazi, that sounds like the beginnings of a conspiracy theory.







Well sadly, I can't do anything about this. If you must assume the worst of me because I - evidently unfairly - assume the worst of a man wearing a Nazi iconography, that's certainly your prerogative.
About the only thing you could do is state clearly that you restrict your political violence exclusively to explicit Nazis.
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“Racism is bad, but splashing a milkshake on somebody is just as bad, if not worse.”
https://twitter.com/daftlimmy/status...229514241?s=21
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About the only thing you could do is state clearly that you restrict your political violence exclusively to explicit Nazis.
See post #264. But you just said you were unwilling to "take my word", so I'm not sure it will make a difference in the end.

I seem to recall in another thread, when people again were talking about maltreating Nazis (banning them from social media, I think), you explicitly called them liars and asserted they would want the same of absolutely anyone else they also disagreed with, no matter what they said.
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Me? I'd be embarrassed to announce I'm having an Internet slapfight with a rando on Twitter. But you do you, man. You do you.
Hahhaha. No that’s Brian Limond - Comedian and troll/satirist.
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To make a justification omelette you got to crack a few eggs.
Always the heckler, never the chef.
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The Nazi is expected to wear this yolk of tyranny?
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Meanwhile in the UK Tommy Robinson ( Fascist and advisor to the UKIP leader) got 'Milkshaked' hahaha

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Perhaps this was common knowledge to everyone already; but I've just been informed that that incident was actually the second time in as many days that Robinson was doused with milkshake. This clip from the day before shows a second hero meting out some malty justice:

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Firstly, I've already established that I don't agree that throwing an egg at someone is necessarily an act of violence. But regardless: the person in that video did not drop the flag because he was "violently egged", and neither did the egging "drive him off". He chose to drop the flag because he chose to respond to the egging not by running away, but by confronting, punching, tackling etc the egger, and he decided he wanted both his hands free to do that. Engaging in this historical revisionism to defend the egged nazi as a victim of "violent robbery" is repugnant.
How do you work that out?

Throwing any object at some ones head is an act of violence.

It might be an act of violence that is extremely unlikely to cause injury (though there have been rare cases where it has), but it is still an act of violence.

According to the the WHO you can commit violence verbally
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Well....okay. I condone specifically and exclusively non-injurious, egg-based violence against Nazis.

And milkshake-based. Call me an ovo-lacto dove.
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Being a Nazi is bad.

Egging people is also bad.

If I had to rank the two, I think being a Nazi is worse than being the person who eggs the Nazi. But being less bad than a Nazi is a pretty low bar and doesn't make assaulting someone with eggs an act of good.

Of course, while critical of the egger, I won't shed any tears for the Nazi.
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You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.

Real Nazis = real problems

BS gasbag = BS problem

Your constant harping on this "No True Nazi" nonsense would actually be laughable at this point, if it wasn't a tactic straight out of the Daily Stormer propaganda guide.

Since you're stuck on this "the only Nazis were card-carrying party members in post-Weimar Germany," please to be explaining how many of those were actively and knowingly involved in "gassing" Jews and other "undesirables". I'll wait.

By your standard, there have only ever been a few hundred Nazis, ever, regardless of how many proudly wore the label and promoted the ideology.
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Old 3rd May 2019, 08:59 PM   #276
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We go through this every time! Can we (the pro-eggers) agree that it's at least "Assault Light"?

My contention on civil disobedience applies here. You do the crime, be prepared to do the time. When we were out disrupting traffic and trying to block entry to Fort Dix, the draft board, ROTC or whatnot, we were all prepared to get busted. If it's important to you, you put your body on the line (to be overly dramatic).

Egg-throwers tend to wind up getting the crap beat out of them in larger groups of Nazis. The not-so-gentle hand of the NYPD or federal marshalls is far preferable to a group-stomping by angry right wingers, believe me!
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Old 3rd May 2019, 09:15 PM   #277
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
My contention on civil disobedience applies here. You do the crime, be prepared to do the time. When we were out disrupting traffic and trying to block entry to Fort Dix, the draft board, ROTC or whatnot, we were all prepared to get busted.
I expressed this sentiment earlier in the thread but it got mostly blipped over I guess.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
We go through this every time! Can we (the pro-eggers) agree that it's at least "Assault Light"?

My contention on civil disobedience applies here. You do the crime, be prepared to do the time. When we were out disrupting traffic and trying to block entry to Fort Dix, the draft board, ROTC or whatnot, we were all prepared to get busted. If it's important to you, you put your body on the line (to be overly dramatic).

Egg-throwers tend to wind up getting the crap beat out of them in larger groups of Nazis. The not-so-gentle hand of the NYPD or federal marshalls is far preferable to a group-stomping by angry right wingers, believe me!
They have a point

This comparing idiots carrying insignia to an actual genocidal group who carried out the genocide of millions, and making out it is similar in terms of seriousness is bordering on the ridiculous
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Originally Posted by Thermal View Post
You think the guy in the OP was a gassing murderer? Seemed more like just a pretentious gasbag to me.

Real Nazis = real problems

BS gasbag = BS problem
How do you know? What exactly are you looking for when you classify one of these guys as a "gasbag?" If, a week prior to the Christchurch shooting, I had shown you a video clip of the guy, would you have been able to identify him as a murderer?
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If you display the Nazi swastika you tacitly approve of mass murder and extermination.

You deserve prison or exile, let alone being egged or cold-cocked. That's beyond white nationalism or even white supremacy.
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