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Old 9th June 2019, 09:49 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by Sideroxylon View Post
Would it take all their wealth to establish universal healthcare, a living minimum wage, and access to quality education for Americans?
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Jeff Bezos as the ability to give me $50 billion.
I need that amount to pay off my gambling debts.
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Old 9th June 2019, 09:57 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs"

Jeff Bezos as the ability to give me $50 billion.
I need that amount to pay off my gambling debts.
Let them eat cake.
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Old 9th June 2019, 10:21 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Well, of course not by European standards. By American standards, Obama was an outright Communist! There's a whole thread here about 30-odd (some very odd) reasons why he hated America.
Link? I could do with some entertaining reading from the Obama Muslim Commmunist crowd right about now .
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Old 9th June 2019, 10:56 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper View Post
Link? I could do with some entertaining reading from the Obama Muslim Commmunist crowd right about now .
Stay tuned. We're getting it here already.
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Old 9th June 2019, 11:44 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Your do not understand the American system of government.
Please tell Cainkane1 that. He's the one who claims that "If a Bernie Sanders type liberal Socilist takes over America will be like Venezuela" and 'shudders to think what a liberal American Presidency would do for this country'.

If Trump has taught us anything, it's that 3 years of a President who is doing his best to destroy America - even with the help of Congress and the Senate - is not nearly enough. His own people have pushed back at his lunacy to the point where some of his closest supporters have turned against him, and even when his own party wanted what he wanted he still often couldn't get it done.

Those of us who hate America are sorely disappointed by the resilience of our system of government. But still - only 3 years - imagine what Trump can achieve in the next 7!
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Old 9th June 2019, 11:50 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Please tell Cainkane1 that. He's the one who claims that "If a Bernie Sanders type liberal Socilist(Sic) takes over America will be like Venezuela" and 'shudders to think what a liberal American Presidency would do for this country'.

If Trump has taught us anything, it's that 3 years of a President who is doing his best to destroy America - even with the help of Congress and the Senate - is not nearly enough. His own people have pushed back at his lunacy to the point where some of his closest supporters have turned against him, and even when his own party wanted what he wanted he still often couldn't get it done.

Those of us who hate America are sorely disappointed by the resilience of our system of government. But still - only 3 years - imagine what Trump can achieve in the next 7!
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Old 9th June 2019, 11:54 PM   #47
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Come on lets hear your glorious take on the evils of socialism and what the downfall of the rigged economy would do to America. Offer unto our unworthy ears the God-given wisdom that only you as an American can.

.................................................. ... (crickets!)
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Old 9th June 2019, 11:54 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Roger Ramjets View Post
Please tell Cainkane1 that. He's the one who claims that "If a Bernie Sanders type liberal Socilist takes over America will be like Venezuela" and 'shudders to think what a liberal American Presidency would do for this country'.

He did.

He said directly in response to that quote:

Quote:
Not much. The president doesn't actually have any real power to change how the country works.
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Old 10th June 2019, 12:33 AM   #49
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America now:
-Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcies.
-40% of the populace can't cover a $400 emergency expense.
-The highest rate of incarceration in the developed world.
-Awful holiday pay, maternal leave, etc.
-The highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world.
-A poor rate of death in childbirth.
-Infrastructure is well past needing refurbishment and overhaul.
-Scholastic standards are lagging (Teachers are also poorly paid.)

One could go on...

So-called S-hole countries sometimes perform better. For the nation that put men on the Moon (although more and more of her citizens are calling that a hoax, and believing the world to be flat), America sure does suck when compared to the "Socialist" countries.

Bernie wouldn't be appeasing the robber barons that are helping to keep America in a backward condition, exacerbating the already obscene gulf in wealth disparity.

America, get your s**t together, for the world's benefit as well. Keep going on like you are now and you ((and the rest of us) are fracked.
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Old 10th June 2019, 12:38 AM   #50
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Originally Posted by kellyb View Post

Priceless!



.... and damn you for saturating my poor keyboard with late night coffee.
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Old 10th June 2019, 12:45 AM   #51
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
America now:
-Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcies.
-40% of the populace can't cover a $400 emergency expense.
-The highest rate of incarceration in the developed world.
-Awful holiday pay, maternal leave, etc.
-The highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world.
-A poor rate of death in childbirth.
-Infrastructure is well past needing refurbishment and overhaul.
-Scholastic standards are lagging (Teachers are also poorly paid.)

One could go on...
American taxpayers provide the security blanket so childless Europeans can live a Bohemian lifestyle. Most European countries can't even live up to their pathetic NATO demands they agreed to. Most Americans would be happy to get out of NATO and let the childless hags that run Europe provide for themselves.

Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
So-called S-hole countries sometimes perform better. For the nation that put men on the Moon (although more and more of her citizens are calling that a hoax, and believing the world to be flat), America sure does suck when compared to the "Socialist" countries.
Childless European: USA so mean, won't provide houses for everyone that enters illegally

Also childless European: In USA no one go to other country.

Childless European logic: everyone wants in America, no one wants to leave, but it still sucks somehow.

Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
Bernie wouldn't be appeasing the robber barons
You people are so insanely naive it gets on my nerves.

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Old 10th June 2019, 12:47 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
America now:
-Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcies.
-40% of the populace can't cover a $400 emergency expense.
-The highest rate of incarceration in the developed world.
-Awful holiday pay, maternal leave, etc.
-The highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world.
-A poor rate of death in childbirth.
-Infrastructure is well past needing refurbishment and overhaul.
-Scholastic standards are lagging (Teachers are also poorly paid.)

One could go on...

So-called S-hole countries sometimes perform better. For the nation that put men on the Moon (although more and more of her citizens are calling that a hoax, and believing the world to be flat), America sure does suck when compared to the "Socialist" countries.

Bernie wouldn't be appeasing the robber barons that are helping to keep America in a backward condition, exacerbating the already obscene gulf in wealth disparity.

America, get your s**t together, for the world's benefit as well. Keep going on like you are now and you ((and the rest of us) are fracked.
China will be the winner. Some in our conservative government are seeing the writing on the wall.
Former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has described China as a "benevolent tyranny" and argued Australia must maintain a "wide-eyed view" of where the world is going.

"They are not a democracy - they're basically a benevolent tyranny," he told the Seven Network on Monday.
https://www.thecourier.com.au/story/...oyce/?cs=10224

Ensuring all Americans have equal opportunities is not only the right thing to do it would strengthen the nation.
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Old 10th June 2019, 12:53 AM   #53
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Originally Posted by Lurch View Post
America now:
-Medical bills are a leading cause of bankruptcies.
-40% of the populace can't cover a $400 emergency expense.
-The highest rate of incarceration in the developed world.
-Awful holiday pay, maternal leave, etc.
-The highest rate of gun deaths in the developed world.
-A poor rate of death in childbirth.
-Infrastructure is well past needing refurbishment and overhaul.
-Scholastic standards are lagging (Teachers are also poorly paid.)
I'll just leave this right here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=312
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Nah, pick it up and take it over to the Daily Stormer.
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The Clathrate Gun and a repeat of the Permian super extinction is apparently super funny.
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That was a load of racist crap and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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The Clathrate Gun and a repeat of the Permian super extinction is apparently super funny.
Thinking a US president is going to stop it is.

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That was a load of racist crap and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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American taxpayers provide the security blanket so childless Europeans can live a Bohemian lifestyle. Most European countries can't even live up to their pathetic NATO demands they agreed to. Most Americans would be happy to get out of NATO and let the childless hags that run Europe provide for themselves.
Oh, honey...you really think all those listed American problems are the result of Europe underpaying for NATO?
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American taxpayers provide the security blanket so childless Europeans can live a Bohemian lifestyle. Most European countries can't even live up to their pathetic NATO demands they agreed to. Most Americans would be happy to get out of NATO and let the childless hags that run Europe provide for themselves.


Childless European: USA so mean, won't provide houses for everyone that enters illegally

Also childless European: In USA no one go to other country.

Childless European logic: everyone wants in America, no one wants to leave, but it still sucks somehow.

You people are so insanely naive it gets on my nerves.


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You just know that when someone is shaking-in-their-boots afraid of a socialist, but can't even spell socialist, you are not heading for a well thought out discussion.
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I shudder to think what a liberal American Presidency would do for this country.
Yeah, Clinton and Obama sure drove the country into the ground. Bush Jr. and Trump saved the silverware!
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Yeah, **** the planet!
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American taxpayers provide the security blanket so childless Europeans can live a Bohemian lifestyle. Most European countries can't even live up to their pathetic NATO demands they agreed to. Most Americans would be happy to get out of NATO and let the childless hags that run Europe provide for themselves.


Childless European: USA so mean, won't provide houses for everyone that enters illegally

Also childless European: In USA no one go to other country.

Childless European logic: everyone wants in America, no one wants to leave, but it still sucks somehow.

You people are so insanely naive it gets on my nerves.
You really have an unhealthy obsession with having children.

How many do you have?
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Your rebuttal was a perfect 5/7.
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What so many on the right don't seem to get is how ridiculously costly the current US health care system is compared to those of the scary socialist countries. I don't know if there's a country on Earth that spends as much of its GDP on health care as the Americans. I can't see a reason why switching to a European system would cost more.

I don't usually argue by video references, and it usually annoys me when the CTers and other usual suspects do it, but PBS Frontline had two wonderful documentaries on this: Sick Around America and Sick Around the World. The first details the problems with the US system, while the other one explores alternatives in European and Asian countries. Both are well worth a watch.

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You really have an unhealthy obsession with having children.
It plays into the racist/xenophobic narrative that the brown people are destroying Europe, and this is the fault of Europeans not bothering to have kids, which forces us to "import" evil brown rapists and Muslims. Racist dog-whistles, in other words.
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What so many on the right don't seem to get is how ridiculously costly the current US health care system is compared to those of the scary socialist countries.
I don't think in general we don't know in some literal sense. Just in America the idea that you can buy a better standard of living for yourself is more often seen in much more positive ways.

100 people all getting a consistent level of "pretty good healthcare" at 10 dollars a head versus a 100 people getting a spectrum of that absolutely spectacular healthcare to basically none that averages out to 100 dollars a head is... a weirder sale in American then elsewhere.

I'm not going to argue the good or the bad or the right or the wrong of it in this environment, but I think it's unwise to look at it as simply a matter of "Don't you understand this one basic fact that's already been talked to death?"
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Oh, honey...you really think all those listed American problems are the result of Europe underpaying for NATO?
Considering I never said that....no
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I'm not going to argue the good or the bad or the right or the wrong of it in this environment, but I think it's unwise to look at it as simply a matter of "Don't you understand this one basic fact that's already been talked to death?"
Where else you going to argue it then? The childless Europeans on this board clearly thing they're smarter than you, and think they know more about the US than you do.
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Where else you going to argue it then? The childless Europeans on this board clearly thing they're smarter than you, and think they know more about the US than you do.
Go be racist in someone else's corner, not mine.
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Or for a just a second an American might consider they don't have all the answers and that they aren't right about everything. And that America is not the world.
Yeah, that was his point. A certain demographic of Americans, of which theprestige is claiming to belong, are incapable of scrutinizing themselves in that manner.
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I have yet to hear a sound argument against socialized health-care in the US that doesn’t boil down to, “but poor people will be treated as well as I am!”

It is the terror of the American wealthy that they might not be treated as nobility.

I say it’s past time to bring back the guillotine.
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I have yet to hear a sound argument against socialized health-care in the US that doesn’t boil down to, “but poor people will be treated as well as I am!”

It is the terror of the American wealthy that they might not be treated as nobility.
While I don't deny that's in there (a lot), I think that's an over simplification.

I think a balance between "I want my hard work to lead to a higher standard of living" and "Screw everyone, sink or swim suckers!" can be reached somewhere.
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I shudder to think what a liberal American Presidency would do for this country.
The single biggest problem Venezuela has is that it’s politicians monkeyed with the money supply for short term political gain. In the US it’s Republicans and the Right in general that typically promote this. Trump in particular is a problem ATM as he’s actively trying to get the Fed to enact policies based on politics, but goldbugs and “audit the Fed” crew would be equally disastrous.
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Old 10th June 2019, 07:14 AM   #76
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And I've been waiting since 1962 for somebody, Yurpeen or Murrican or Buddhist Holey Man, to come up with an objective definition of socialism. Not some spittle-flying hay bailer of an American screed about bolshies eating babies, not a European murmur about economic democracy for the Good of the State, just something that we can all agree defines the idea.

Well, akshully, I quit waiting generations ago. The word is like "art," a noise we make that means whatever the speaker feels that it means at that particular stage of the symposium.

A symposium was originally a drinking party. Ah, dear old days!
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I wouldn't say or definition of Socialism is anymore or less fluid then our definitions of capitalism or anarchy or communism or watery tarts distributing swords.

I lot of it is, in my opinion, social/political/economic discourse still largely being locked into the language and definitions of a specific part of history.

We aren't in the same world as 1800-1900 Europe but it seems that's when all the "official" definitions of many of these things got started, so we're stuck with them by default.
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Originally Posted by Baylor View Post
You should have “left it” before posting it in the first place, not after reminding how much of how racist you are.
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Jeez, I just had to hear my uncle have this exact same panic attack like 2 days ago. He's not even a Trump fan (as I'm pretty sure our OP is). He thinks Trump is a bombastic, offensive idiot who is wrecking the country. However, a sooooocialist (doom gongs) would be so much worse, the absolute worst thing that ever happened, he assures me. I just don't understand how evil socialism is because I was not a person yet during the bulk of the Cold War. Also, socialism and communism are the same thing. Also, Jews.
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Every day I get a "Quora Feed" to my gmail account, and I don't know how many times I have seen the question, "I am terrified about the possibility of socialized medicine like Canada. Someone help me?"

I am like, who are these dolts who are "terrified" of socialized medicine? Of course, they never explain what terrifies them.
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