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Old 3rd January 2021, 04:39 PM   #201
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And surely a waste of $330K to window dress it as credible science?
Not if the goal all along was window dressing as credible science. After all, just look at the target audience.
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Old 3rd January 2021, 05:52 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Mark F View Post
Not if the goal all along was window dressing as credible science. After all, just look at the target audience.
I agree. Which is why I put it in comparative context with T Szamboti's Missing Jolt:
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Which [i.e. Hulsey's Report] was 10 years too late to have any impact. And only created a fraction of the impact that Tony Szamboti's "Missing Jolt" had.
I suggest the reality is that 9/11 debate has fundamentally shifted both in level of technical debate and the demography of those involved. With two effects:

First the T Szamboti "Missing Jolt" was a no cost paper which in its era fed into the state of poor understanding by both the emerging two sides of debate. The Hulsey reports could not have been plausible given the then state of debate. Even if Hulsey had studied Twin Towers and presented a similar style of report about Twin Towers collapses. In ~2009 nobody - either side - had enough understanding to rebut an academic report as accurately as we can do now in 2020 do with a WTC7 study. AND:

Second - a paper of the style of Missing Jolt - i.e. without the apparent trappings of academic credibility - would not have the same impact on the CURRENT audience. AE911 supporters see it as a credible document. And the engineering gobbledegook plus the graphic manipulations of the fraud "simulations" are designed to fool just those gullible supporters.

Hulsey's paper is de-facto targeted at gullible lay person AE911 supporters. "Missing Jolt" challenged and attracted debate by a higher grade of professional and semi-professional persons. That level of debunker opposition has not been fooled or even attracted to lengthy debate by the Hulsey Report which on the face is a far more serious effort than Missing Jolt.

Both were papers for their time and target audience. Neither would work in the other situation. . Who are we to judge whether Hulsey's paper was worth $330k?? My name is not R Gage.
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Old 3rd January 2021, 07:13 PM   #203
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Originally Posted by Mark F View Post
Not if the goal all along was window dressing as credible science. After all, just look at the target audience.
Originally Posted by ozeco41 View Post
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I suggest the reality is that 9/11 debate has fundamentally shifted both in level of technical debate and the demography of those involved. ...
There is direct evidence for your suggestions in the form of how the AE911Truth "Petition" attracted new signatures from professionals on one hand, non-professionals on the other:
  • In 2020, the Petition grew by 4.07% in the "Architects&Engineers" part - the second-lowest value, after 3.95% in 2018
  • The "general population" ("gPop") part, in contrast, gained 15.8% - the highest growth rate since 2011.

As a result:
While in all the years from 2007 to 2019 the ratio gPop:A&E varied between 2.06 and 18.9, with an average of 8.3, in 2020 that ratio was 29.9 - almost 60% more than the previous high value.

So, the target audience in 2020 has been only 3.2% professionals - until then, it had been 11.5%.


Richard Gage has essentially given up on convincing the experts.
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Old 3rd January 2021, 07:28 PM   #204
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Richard Gage has essentially given up on convincing the experts.
I've noted the change subjectively and commented several times over recent years. Thanks for you complementary support in objective quantified form.
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Old 22nd February 2021, 04:21 AM   #205
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I still receive emails from the "911 teleconference" run by Craig McKee. I do not call in but I read their email with agenda, minutes who was on the call. This group which includes all the usual suspects... who were down the rabbit hole in the past seems to be finding new depths... and is all in on conspiracies... such as covid 19 is a hoax/deep state operation.

What happened to critical thinking?
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Old 22nd February 2021, 12:14 PM   #206
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AE911T selling $1.25 DVDs for $7.50 to 20 bucks to "fellow activists".

An AE911T email...
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Friends and fellow activists,

Today is the final day to buy the DVD of SEVEN at significantly discounted rates!

Until midnight tonight, one DVD is just $15. Or go bulk and buy three DVDs for $30, six DVDs for $50, or 10 DVDs for $75 — and give them to the people you most want to educate about Building 7!

Don’t miss the chance to share this powerful documentary with every person you’ve been wanting to get through to!
wonder if Richard Gage is still taking 80k a year from his scam non-profit.
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Old 23rd February 2021, 04:32 AM   #207
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I'm amazed that people still fund those frauds.
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Old 23rd February 2021, 10:38 AM   #208
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wonder if Richard Gage is still taking 80k a year from his scam non-profit.
Yup. In 2019, the latest year for which we have their tax statement, Gage paid himself US$ 86,867.
His deputy, Kelly David, moved up to his League, earning US$ 76,567

Those are up some 28% from the previous year.
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Old 23rd February 2021, 10:47 AM   #209
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Yup. In 2019, the latest year for which we have their tax statement, Gage paid himself US$ 86,867.
His deputy, Kelly David, moved up to his League, earning US$ 76,567

Those are up some 28% from the previous year.
Sad indeed that scam artists flourish today.
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Old 24th February 2021, 02:38 PM   #210
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Yup. In 2019, the latest year for which we have their tax statement, Gage paid himself US$ 86,867.
His deputy, Kelly David, moved up to his League, earning US$ 76,567

Those are up some 28% from the previous year.
Plus the travel stuff... the non-profit I assume can buy his tickets to fly, his hotel rooms, and his meals around the world.
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Sad indeed that scam artists flourish today.

It's the American way, no?
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It's the American way, no?
Free enterprise.
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Free enterprise.
Why? Has someone locked it up?
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Why? Has someone locked it up?

No. no, no! That is not what I meant at all. I was referring to enterprise that costs nothing....... or was I? Now I am so confused too.
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Free Willy!
Keep your pants on. There are laws you know.
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Free pants. Get your free pants here.
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I see Richard Gage is still grifting, as he was when last I posted in this section several years ago.

As for my own 9/11 story, I am still with the woman I met in the chat room that day (coming up on 17 years married now). So there's that.
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As for my own 9/11 story, I am still with the woman I met in the chat room that day (coming up on 17 years married now). So there's that.

And that, I've always thought, is an amazing story. Completely understandable and believable (not much for a skeptic to object to) but wow, what a thing for ones life story to hinge upon.

My wife and I (coming up on 26 years) also had a one-chance first meeting, a random intersection in our paths that probably could never have happened otherwise. But ours wasn't set in motion by the biggest international news story in twenty years.
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And that, I've always thought, is an amazing story. Completely understandable and believable (not much for a skeptic to object to) but wow, what a thing for ones life story to hinge upon.

My wife and I (coming up on 26 years) also had a one-chance first meeting, a random intersection in our paths that probably could never have happened otherwise. But ours wasn't set in motion by the biggest international news story in twenty years.
It was a defining day for me, for sure. And if I'd picked another chat room, the whole trajectory of my life over the last 20 years would have been completely different. I'm not a believer, but it's easy to see how someone who was could see the hand of some deity at work, in your case as well as mine.
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