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Old 6th January 2021, 03:22 PM   #3401
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I think a good case can be made that Trump is a clear and present danger to the country for the remainder of his term.
13 days 21 hours and counting down.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:26 PM   #3402
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Yes, but that's not what I'm talking about.

Cops don't treat right wing extremists as enemies. Right wing crimes count for less in their eyes. That's my point. They look the other way while these fascists engage in blatant criminality in the streets.
And in truth, they've done so even though armed right-wingers have repeatedly shot and killed police on multiple occasions.

But you know, can't let the young negros in Baltimore ride the bus home from school, someone sent a mean tweet about a "purge" in a local mall (note: actual reason given for Baltimore setting off riots in 2015).
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:26 PM   #3403
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And he called the traitors "SPecial People".
Well, calling them "retards" is considered rude...
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:27 PM   #3404
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
Ivanka Trump Tweeted:

American Patriots - any security breach or disrespect to our law enforcement is unacceptable.
The violence must stop immediately. Please be peaceful.


She then deleted the Tweet.
Then she deleted it? Oh for pity's sake.

This was a bad move earlier when speakers were addressing the crowd:

Alabama News, 9am: Mo Brooks: Today patriots start ‘kicking ass’ in fighting vote results

I wonder what he thought that was going to do?
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:28 PM   #3406
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Video of a DC riot cop holding the hand of someone who stormed the capitol, helping her down the stairs.

https://twitter.com/_DaniBeck/status...41125320351744

Meanwhile cops gave an old man in Buffalo permanent brain damage for attending a BLM protest on the public streets.

Get a ****** clue.
Indeed. This is complicity by ommission by those supposed to be involved in enforcing the law.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:28 PM   #3407
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Originally Posted by Pterodactyl View Post
How could the capitol police not have been prepared for such a thing?
I do believe this was stupidity.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:28 PM   #3408
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Just heard Insurrectionists calling CNN reporters four letter words.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:29 PM   #3409
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
Still dismissing and downplaying, I see. Disgusting.
Still over reacting and fear mongering I see.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:29 PM   #3410
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Then she deleted it? Oh for pity's sake.

This was a bad move earlier when speakers were addressing the crowd:

Alabama News, 9am: Mo Brooks: Today patriots start ‘kicking ass’ in fighting vote results

I wonder what he thought that was going to do?
God, you have to be an idiot not to get that once a tweet goes out, it is there forever.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:29 PM   #3411
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Then she deleted it? Oh for pity's sake.

This was a bad move earlier when speakers were addressing the crowd:

Alabama News, 9am: Mo Brooks: Today patriots start ‘kicking ass’ in fighting vote results

I wonder what he thought that was going to do?
He should be expelled from Congress and arrested for sedition.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:30 PM   #3412
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
Then she deleted it? Oh for pity's sake.
Probably because she was criticised for referring to rioters as "American Patriots".
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:30 PM   #3413
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lol it's not every day that an angry mob of fascists takes over the capital, even if it is only temporarily. so really, what's an appropriate reaction to that?
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:33 PM   #3414
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The Insurrectionists are now calling the DC Police four letter words and calling them Traitors.
So much for the Trumpers loving the police.
I think they are anarchists at theart.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:33 PM   #3415
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Are you not getting this? Trump wants this. He thinks this will keep him in office, either as president or as a dictator. The only regret he has right now is that the mob didn't succeed in lynching any legislators. Yet.
I'm sure he wants it. Not sure if that's for revenge or he actually thinks it will keep him in office.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:33 PM   #3416
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
I do believe this was stupidity.
In that case, heads should roll in the police department.

Nobody in charge of law enforcement has any right to say they didn't see this coming.

In fact, they should be investigated as complicit.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:34 PM   #3417
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The Insurrectionists are now calling the DC Police four letter words and calling them Traitors.
So much for the Trumpers loving the police.
I think they are anarchists at theart.
I think they are pieces of ****.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:34 PM   #3418
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The Insurrectionsits are saying they are going to defy the curfew and get even roughter after dark.
Send in the National Guard, fully armed, with orders to give one warining to the rioters, and then open fire.
Extreme measure, yes, but this must be crushed ASAP. Half Measured won't work.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:35 PM   #3419
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
As there is ALWAYS a relevant Tweet:

Trump tweeted on the 27th July:

"Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it!"
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:36 PM   #3420
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
I think they are pieces of ****.
False Dicthotomy. Then can be both.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:36 PM   #3421
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
The Insurrectionists are now calling the DC Police four letter words and calling them Traitors.
So much for the Trumpers loving the police.
I think they are anarchists at theart.
I don't think you know what anarchy means. Right wingers engaged in acts of violence in response to fascist-curious president losing an election aren't anarchists.

These people very much believe in authority and state power, they just very much believe it should be headed by their god-king Trump.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:39 PM   #3422
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
A violent mob has overtaken the Capitol. The coup has arrived.


They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).

Not so funny now.

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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured (maybe by a cop that felt threatened).

[stifles a laugh]
Is there a reason you seem to be playing this down?
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Is there a reason you seem to be playing this down?
It's all to save face ever since about two months ago.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:43 PM   #3425
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post


They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).

Not so funny now.
It's fine when it's a BLM peaceful protester, but not when it's a Trump supporter storming the Capitol.
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Old 6th January 2021, 03:43 PM   #3426
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Originally Posted by Matthew Best View Post
As there is ALWAYS a relevant Tweet:

Trump tweeted on the 27th July:

"Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it!"
Yeah, but they don't damage the building if you just let them in.

And they weren't there to desecrate the building, just to seize elected public officials and, you know, probably talk to them or something. Probably.
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Unbelievable. All of it. That's all I have to say.
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I've messed people up badly for less offence, and I'm not the most hot-blooded of people. Cruz factors it into his career. I loathe him.
One of my favorite recent political quotes:

“Here's the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz," former US senator Al Franken once wrote. "I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz."
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They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).

[stifles a laugh]
I guess some people will continue to be blind.

Yes, yes, USA won't fall today, blah, blah.

What you are blind to are consequences down the road.

Someone that thinks events that happened this day do not matter and aren't yet another cut weakening american democracy (or whatever pass for it in USA) is a fool.
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
It's hard for me to call this folly a coup without bursting out laughing.
We've had the Velvet Revolution, the Arab Spring, Cultural Revolution, Orange Revolution...

What shall we call this one?

How about the Deliverance Revolution?

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Video of a DC riot cop holding the hand of someone who stormed the capitol, helping her down the stairs.
So, you think they should have punched her in the face?

Or arrested her?

De-escalation is a real thing, and the fact that the cops were practising it instead of creating martyrs is the appropriate response.
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So, you think they should have punched her in the face?

Or arrested her?

De-escalation is a real thing, and the fact that the cops were practising it instead of creating martyrs is the appropriate response.
Their point was that police is quite... selective... about this treatment.
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From https://twitter.com/evansiegfried/status/1346947668648603650:

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So basically the sec def and chair of the joint chiefs bypassed Trump to deploy the National Guard. Remarkable display of no confidence in the president by the leaders of the military.
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The Insurrectionsits are saying they are going to defy the curfew and get even roughter after dark.
Send in the National Guard, fully armed, with orders to give one warining to the rioters, and then open fire.
Extreme measure, yes, but this must be crushed ASAP. Half Measured won't work.
Here you go. From some dude named patriot try over on OANN.

Quote:
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Fool! We are saving our great country from the communist liberals. President Trump will protect our freedom from the communists. Join or perish!

True patriots do not support communist liberals. You shall perish with the rest.


Fool. Mr. Pence had proved himself a traitor, he is no longer part of the team. We will win!

We are past the nonsense. We are taking matters into our own hands and fighting for our freedom. Are you here in DC, if not come now and bring every piece of artillery you have.

Mr Pence has deemed himself a traitor and is no longer welcome in the White House.


Fool! We will win, we out number the entire military, police, FBI - throw al you got at us. We will win. You call us that again we will come for you!


You call the greatest President in the history of this great country a dictator? President Trump is leading us to freedom from communism. We must unite against the liberal! All liberals and liberal supporters shall perish!



We will win. Senate and House will never meet again. We only need one lawmaker our great leader President Elect Trump shall lead us to greatness.


Who else is here in DC? We need to be on all the same page. We will win back our country.
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Did you see troops joining in with the rioters?

Or is this a joke?
No, but that may explain why the military is saying it's "out of this". The Generals may be worried about their loyalty from the troops.
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Originally Posted by Mader Levap View Post
I guess some people will continue to be blind.

Yes, yes, USA won't fall today, blah, blah.

What you are blind to are consequences down the road.

Someone that thinks events that happened this day do not matter and aren't yet another cut weakening american democracy (or whatever pass for it in USA) is a fool.
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Now I'm even more frustrated. Is it ignoring a mod box warning to answer this here?
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Is there a reason you seem to be playing this down?
OK, I moved my answer to these posts to here.
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Reportedly there were multiple confederate flags and even a swastika
I also saw at least one KEK flag, which is also a white nationalist symbol.
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So the left should arm up?
Yes. Absolutely.
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No, but that may explain why the military is saying it's "out of this". The Generals may be worried about their loyalty from the troops.
OK, this is clearly a coup question.

The generals were saying there's no way they would support Trump if he tried to call for Martial Law.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that more than a handful of US troops at the very most, would desert the army and follow Trump into battle.
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They broke a few windows, yelled a lot, and one person was shot and seriously injured died (by a cop that felt threatened).

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Old 6th January 2021, 04:03 PM   #3440
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Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
OK, this is clearly a coup question.

The generals were saying there's no way they would support Trump if he tried to call for Martial Law.

I have seen no evidence whatsoever that more than a handful of US troops at the very most, would desert the army and follow Trump into battle.
A Coup d'etat requires the military to join in. A coup does not.
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