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Old 20th April 2017, 04:41 AM   #2041
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
In general, it's good to invite speakers with different viewpoints.
They never seem to invite the Flat Earth Society though.
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Old 20th April 2017, 04:58 AM   #2042
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Funny because that's probably exactly what they'd say about those guys they were fighting, you know, the fascists.
I am aware of the irony.

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Old 20th April 2017, 05:10 AM   #2043
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
They never seem to invite the Flat Earth Society though.
Political opinions aren't always like factual claims.
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Old 20th April 2017, 05:17 AM   #2044
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
I am aware of the irony.

Are you?
What irony?
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Old 20th April 2017, 09:42 AM   #2045
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Couple of quick developments.

The bike lock bandit who brained an innocent guy who was on his knees has likely been identified, with charges also likely to follow.

The Anti-First amendment crowd tried to riot in Alabama, but the police told them they had to remove their masks, they slunk away with barely a peep.
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Old 20th April 2017, 11:19 AM   #2046
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The Anti-First amendment crowd tried to riot in Alabama, but the police told them they had to remove their masks, they slunk away with barely a peep.
Doin' their job.

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Old 20th April 2017, 11:37 AM   #2047
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Doin' their job.

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Turns out that Alabama has a law against wearing masks to inhibit the Ku Klux Klan that they are now using against the Black Bloc scum and the Anti-First Amendment brigades.
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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by Ann Coulter.

get your mace, champagne bottles, m80's, a u bike locks ready, Black Bloc scum, this outrage cannot be allowed to stand!
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Old 20th April 2017, 03:05 PM   #2049
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Turns out that Alabama has a law against wearing masks to inhibit the Ku Klux Klan that they are now using against the Black Bloc scum and the Anti-First Amendment brigades.
Given that the reason for the masks were the same in both circumstances, that's appropriate.

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Old 20th April 2017, 03:52 PM   #2050
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Officials at the University of California at Berkeley on Thursday reversed their decision to cancel a speech by Ann Coulter.

get your mace, champagne bottles, m80's, a u bike locks ready, Black Bloc scum, this outrage cannot be allowed to stand!
They should take their second amendment approved guns and shoot her in a 'hunting accident', worked for cheney.
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Old 20th April 2017, 06:09 PM   #2051
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They should take their second amendment approved guns and shoot her in a 'hunting accident', worked for cheney.
"cheney" who? Dick Cheney? Dick Cheney shot someone over a political disagreement and skated on it, claiming it to be a "hunting accident"? When was this?
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"cheney" who? Dick Cheney? Dick Cheney shot someone over a political disagreement and skated on it, claiming it to be a "hunting accident"? When was this?
Oh come on, that's not fair. When you spell out the actual implications of his statement like that, it makes him sound crazy.
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As usual the cops are with the fascists.
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Old 21st April 2017, 02:29 AM   #2054
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Heaven forfend the idea that the police should actively protect the democratic rights of any and all groups to protest, regardless of how objectionable their views.
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Old 21st April 2017, 02:32 AM   #2055
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That link is worth the click for the photo of a guy doing a Nazi salute next to a black Trump supporter.

We live in interesting times.
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Old 21st April 2017, 06:20 AM   #2057
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I saw that, the Berkeley PD was ordered not to get involved to protect the Trump supporters when the Black Bloc scum started their little rampage. Unfortunately for the scum, the legal marchers gave back way more that the Black Bloc cowards ever expected.

Curious tho that you are objecting to a non-violent protest.

Oh yeah, you are Anti-FirstAmendment
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The bike lock bandit who brained an innocent guy who was on his knees has likely been identified, with charges also likely to follow.
Apparently he taught ethics at a community college. This is my favorite bit from his profile:

"What is the best way for a subject to relate to their social situation and material conditions? What is it for a person to flourish? What obstructs their flourishing and how can those obstructions be dealt with?"

I guess his answer to that last question is by bashing people in the head with a bike lock.
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By the way, if you read that post-free expression dystopian nightmare website, the Anti-Free Assembly scum are complaining that the BPD stopped them from overrunning and shutting down "the rally before it even began." They also complain that BPD worked to "disarm" the Black Bloc scum (took away their champagne bottles, m-80's and bike locks I guess, huh)?

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I’m interested in helping to precipitate the end of civil society.” After being fingered online, Canton deleted his twitter account and an alumni profile at SFSU, where he used to be a grad student.

http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/0...s-with-u-lock/
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Berkeley officials rescheduled Coulter's speech during finals week when students are much less likely to be around to attend.

Coulter says she is going to appear at the originally scheduled date and time.

People say Berkeley was the "birthplace" of the free speech movement.
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I’m interested in helping to precipitate the end of civil society.” After being fingered online, Canton deleted his twitter account and an alumni profile at SFSU, where he used to be a grad student.

http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/0...s-with-u-lock/
And an ethics professor to boot...
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Old 21st April 2017, 07:33 PM   #2063
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Anti Fa are the real fascists
To be fair there are fascistic elements on both sides although Antifa in labelling themselves anti fascist appear to be totally unaware of this
They do not seem to realise that denying others their First Amendment rights is even remotely fascist which in itself is somewhat worrying
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Coulter says she is going to appear at the originally scheduled date and time
Good on her for upholding her constitutional rights to free speech and assembly
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Old 21st April 2017, 08:47 PM   #2065
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I was wondering about this upcoming Coulter speech and the optics of having a bunch of duded show up to shut down a woman. I was thinking that this may just give the appearence of sexism so I went agooglin' and I think I found their solution.

Informative YouTube Video...3.3 minutes.

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Really noble of Coulter to pour some more fuel on the fire in the interests of her free speech, which naturally trumps public safety. Like Milo, she has so much to offer. Hope all goes well at the friendly get-together.
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Really noble of Coulter to pour some more fuel on the fire in the interests of her free speech, which naturally trumps public safety. Like Milo, she has so much to offer. Hope all goes well at the friendly get-together.
The only threat to public safety comes from the fanatic black bloc and anti-fa scum who are so desperate to stop Free speech that they will attack people to stop it.

The irony of your post is like a Bike lock to the brain.

Or maybe that is an east coast thing?
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Really noble of Coulter to pour some more fuel on the fire in the interests of her free speech, which naturally trumps public safety. Like Milo, she has so much to offer. Hope all goes well at the friendly get-together.
So she should just stop speaking because two groups of idiots want to case havock? Doesn't that literally put the power of censorship in the hands of any turd with a mind for causing **** when someone they don't like speaks?

I hate her, and I wish she would stop talking. But not at the point of a *********** sword. And not on the whim of some knucklehead who's idea of discourse is sap gloves and pepper spray.
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The only threat to public safety comes from the fanatic black bloc and anti-fa scum who are so desperate to stop Free speech that they will attack people to stop it.

The irony of your post is like a Bike lock to the brain.
No one is defending Canton. He is a violent criminal. But you know that. And you also probably know that the neo nazis that have integrated into the Trump camp have a demonstrable history of willful violence, too. Or do you deny that?

Both sides will be out in battle gear, and none have any interest in Coulter; it's just Party Time again, with Coulter MCing for her own benefit.

Look at the vids from the latest Berkeley hootinanny- masks are getting fashionable with the Trumpeters, aren't they?

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Is that really what you are down to? Irrelevant red herrings?
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So she should just stop speaking because two groups of idiots want to case havock? Doesn't that literally put the power of censorship in the hands of any turd with a mind for causing **** when someone they don't like speaks?

I hate her, and I wish she would stop talking. But not at the point of a *********** sword. And not on the whim of some knucklehead who's idea of discourse is sap gloves and pepper spray.
Berkeley is on hairtrigger nowadays. Maybe in the interests of public safety she could hold off? Does she likely have anything to say that is time-sensitive?

She has every right to spit her brand of vile. But should she, as a public figure, have some responsibility or at least prudence in speaking when she knows that it will almost certainly be accompanied by violence? That borders on incitement.
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If I don't want to hear what Coulter has to say I won't buy her books or go to her speech. And I won't.

Nothing good is achieved by attacking people who do buy her books or go to her speech.
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Berkeley is on hairtrigger nowadays. Maybe in the interests of public safety she could hold off? Does she likely have anything to say that is time-sensitive?

She has every right to spit her brand of vile. But should she, as a public figure, have some responsibility or at least prudence in speaking when she knows that it will almost certainly be accompanied by violence? That borders on incitement.
You avoid the issue, who speaks and when is now dictated by two groups of violent ********.

And as to any violence that arises, she is not accountable for that. The idiots committing it are, and as such I would while heartedly support sending in the cops en masse to quell any that arises.

If words are so scary , use words to combat them, if they are not keep your fists to yourself because you have been given no cause to use them.
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If I don't want to hear what Coulter has to say I won't buy her books or go to her speech. And I won't.

Nothing good is achieved by attacking people who do buy her books or go to her speech.
I really don't think anyone in attendance will be there for Coulter one way or the other. It's just round three for the Berkeley Brawl.
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You avoid the issue, who speaks and when is now dictated by two groups of violent ********.
I don't think it's an issue at all. It is her choice, not some other groups'. A public speaker should consider the effect of their speech on an audience. If it is likely to incite violence, a speaker with a social conscience might give that weight. She doesn't.

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And as to any violence that arises, she is not accountable for that. The idiots committing it are, and as such I would while heartedly support sending in the cops en masse to quell any that arises.
The police are dramatically outnumbered, and at night the bad guys (from both sides) will be harder to catch. Allowing a likely riot to take place and hoping to clean up the mess and arrest a couple after damage is done is hardly in the interests of public safety. Keeping the peace sometimes means not letting unpeaceful events take place.

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If words are so scary , use words to combat them, if they are not keep your fists to yourself because you have been given no cause to use them.
Preach. Both sides start with talking, then shouting, then throwing down. They are irreconcilable now. So give them a new round at Berkeley again?
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By the way, if you read that post-free expression dystopian nightmare website, the Anti-Free Assembly scum are complaining that the BPD stopped them from overrunning and shutting down "the rally before it even began." They also complain that BPD worked to "disarm" the Black Bloc scum (took away their champagne bottles, m-80's and bike locks I guess, huh)?

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Antifa aren't the real fascists. We are.

And we're going to win.

Antifa are just corrosive degenerates. They are the death throes of a sick society.
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Antifa aren't the real fascists. We are.

And we're going to win.

Antifa are just corrosive degenerates. They are the death throes of a sick society.
That's what King George said about the Colonies.
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I don't think it's an issue at all. It is her choice, not some other groups'. A public speaker should consider the effect of their speech on an audience. If it is likely to incite violence, a speaker with a social conscience might give that weight. She doesn't.
Not to give Ann too much credit, but wouldn't it also be reasonable to put the importance of free speech ahead of the possibility of violence? Should the threat of violence take precedence over it in every situation? That emboldens the actions of those trying to restrict the free speech of individuals of different opinions.

And they are emboldened, at least in regards to UC Berkley. Their actions are being normalized and rationalized, just a means to an end. It is a scary thought that use of violence to silence free speech will become something people consider in the best interest of public safety. That is not an argument I can get on board with, no matter how you try to sugar coat it.
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Antifa aren't the real fascists. We are.

And we're going to win.

Antifa are just corrosive degenerates. They are the death throes of a sick society.
I don't see it.

the vast majority of Trump supporters are not Fascists, I estimate 80% of the people who self-identified as Alt-Right jumped ship after Spencer had his 'hail trump' incident.
Most of these now call themselves New Right, Proud Boys etc. That's also most of the people we saw at the battle of Berkeley. The kind of nationalism that was normal in the fifties, but now with tattoos.

That leaves the actual Fascists (Alt-Right, Neo-Reactionaries) with rather small numbers. The neo-Reactionaries are too intellectually inclined to be mainstream. So I predict they'll end up like Trotskyites, talking amongst themselves on niche forums.

And lot of the AR are just guys who like trolling commies with Pinochet memes.

If the AR tried it's own version of the March on Rome, I don't think more than 300 people would show up.
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Old 22nd April 2017, 05:55 AM   #2080
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People are riled up and angry right now. It's a very touchy situation. Sometimes just because something is legal doesn't mean it's wise. Exercising your rights sounds all well and good until the violence starts. Are riots really worth it? Shouldn't saftey be an overriding concern?

So in the interest of public calm and safety I agree that them negroes oughtta just stay in their own part of the bus and not try to sit up with whites, just like Bull Connor says. I mean, it'll just angry up the population and get people hurt. Amirite?
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