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Old 19th April 2017, 04:39 AM   #201
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Originally Posted by DreadNiK View Post
people thought the USA had it bad with trump vs clinton - at least there was a real contest between two extremely different options...

I'm currently looking for work so until I find it potentially have some time on my hands, vaguely wondering whether I should pitch in with the local lib dems somehow...would be glorious to unseat Vulcan but it ain't going to happen.

just seen clegg is standing again. the gall of that man
Extremely different?

See this is where the UK is headed fast if it isn't already there. Where the choice is between the right and the extreme right and that's seen as extremely different options while things like having the NHS are viewed as hard left crackpottery discredited in the fifties.
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:41 AM   #202
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So building more Council houses is hard-line socialism equivalent to the invasion of Czechoslovakia?
I believe I drew the equivalent with giving out goodies from Hugo Chavez. Some Labour policies are quite precise - they will build this many new houses, but when asked about something more difficult than dishing out tax money to potential voters, such as building up a high-tech economy, they become completely vague, non-descript, wishes, nor proposals.

Can you spell vote buying? I'm sure they can.

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Old 19th April 2017, 04:43 AM   #203
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
You suggested that Corbyn should move the Tories to the centre left???
My suggestion for him actually involves a dull knife and his belly, why do you ask?

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Old 19th April 2017, 04:47 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
I believe I drew the equivalent with giving out goodies from Hugo Chavez. Some Labour policies are quite precise - they will build this many new houses, but when asked about something more difficult than dishing out tax money to potential voters, such as building up a high-tech economy, they become completely vague, non-descript, wishes, nor proposals.

Can you spell vote buying? I'm sure they can.

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And which political party offers anything else?
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:48 AM   #205
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And which political party offers anything else?
None, but combine promises with a socialist future with the very concrete vote-buying proposals and you have a very strong candidate for a very bleak future.

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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
None, but combine promises with a socialist future with the very concrete vote-buying proposals and you have a very strong candidate for a very bleak future.

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Which are?
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:53 AM   #207
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Which are?
I mentioned some houses and price controls in certain areas, try reading those.

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Old 19th April 2017, 05:31 AM   #208
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?

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Er no, you seem to be getting your political extremists mixed up. The Daily Mail is as it has always been a very right wing paper, it is using the tactics of the right wing as it has always done, do not forget this is the paper that supported Mosley, black is very much their colour.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Agreed. I don't like May, but she is not doing anthing that is not traditional in the British system. Calling a new election when you think you party has the advantage is somthing that every party has done.We could get into a debate about if the American System of fixed terms for the legislature has some advanteges over the British system, but that is another discussion.
IMHO Labor has only itself to blame for the mess it is in.
It's actually the first time we've had a snap election since the early-1970s. The party in power gaming the system a little bit within a certain timeframe is not unusual, but calling an election this early most certainly is.
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Big deal. The tabloid press, Murdoch in particular, has always opposed Labor in Australia. It hasn't stopped it from being elected roughly every second election. It's lazy and dishonest to blame the press for Labour's demise.
you appear to be replying to a post different to the one you are quoting
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
I mentioned some houses and price controls in certain areas, try reading those.

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You produced a quote:

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We will build a million new homes in five years, with at least half a million council homes, through our public investment strategy. We will end insecurity for private renters by introducing rent controls, secure tenancies and a charter of private tenants’ rights, and increase access to affordable home ownership.
Those proposals?
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I am still furious with this government for putting back my retirement age by three years.
Why does your government even care when you retire?
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:43 AM   #213
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
My suggestion for him actually involves a dull knife and his belly, why do you ask?

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Because your answer to me made no sense and seemed like either a misreading on your part or a complete evasion.

I said no one suggests the Tories move to the centre left and you said you do suggest 'the Traitor' does just that.
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It's actually the first time we've had a snap election since the early-1970s......
Not so. Thatcher called a snap election in '83 after the Falklands War. Interestingly, she actually only gave 4 weeks notice of the election date.

Depending on your definition of "snap election", it could be said that Blair's second election victory in 2001, which was a year short of a full term, might fall into that category.
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Why does your government even care when you retire?
Retirement age in the UK just means when you are eligible to claim state benefits for people of that age and over. You do not have to retire at that time and can continue to work until you die behind the fryer at MacDonald's* if you want!

*Obviously you will be docked your hours and fined for hygiene violations.
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Why does your government even care when you retire?
really?
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Old 19th April 2017, 07:08 AM   #217
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
I believe I drew the equivalent with giving out goodies from Hugo Chavez. Some Labour policies are quite precise - they will build this many new houses, but when asked about something more difficult than dishing out tax money to potential voters, such as building up a high-tech economy, they become completely vague, non-descript, wishes, nor proposals.

Can you spell vote buying? I'm sure they can.

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Could Stalin spell "vote buying"? Stop being preposterous.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Scotland asked for a referendum last month. I'm not trying to be snippy I'm just not quite sure exactly what your question is getting at. This GE will have no formal effect on the Scotref no matter the result. The SNP already have all but three if the available seats. Another three won't make any odds.
I suspect that May is counting on the SNP losing seats, rather than gaining them.
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Dictator in the making is a fair and balanced assessment.


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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
Jesus. If this is true UK is making a very dark, Soviet turn. Is this accurate or a parody?
Nobody needs to pardoy the Mail - it does a good enough job by itself.
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Not so. Thatcher called a snap election in '83 after the Falklands War. Interestingly, she actually only gave 4 weeks notice of the election date.

Depending on your definition of "snap election", it could be said that Blair's second election victory in 2001, which was a year short of a full term, might fall into that category.
It's not my definition - it's being reported now as being the first snap election since 1974:

"The last snap election was in October 1974. It came just eight months after the previous vote which had resulted in a hung parliament, and gave the Labour Party a slim majority of 3 seats." (Express)

1983 and 2001 don't seem to be counted as snap elections, although obviously they were "early."
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Not so. Thatcher called a snap election in '83 after the Falklands War. Interestingly, she actually only gave 4 weeks notice of the election date.

Depending on your definition of "snap election", it could be said that Blair's second election victory in 2001, which was a year short of a full term, might fall into that category.
Which really does need defining.
What exactly is a snap election, in a system where the government (until recently) was able to decide when to hold one, within the five year limit?

Wiki seems to go for less than four years, but that just sounds made up to me.
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I suspect that May is counting on the SNP losing seats, rather than gaining them.
Probably, but to what end? She already thinks its OK to ignore Scotland and her supporters agree with her.

That position will not be changed by a few extra non-SNP MPs in Scotland, nor will it be legitimized in the eyes of those who disagree with her.
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Which really does need defining.
What exactly is a snap election, in a system where the government (until recently) was able to decide when to hold one, within the five year limit?

Wiki seems to go for less than four years, but that just sounds made up to me.
Almost as made up as the Express definition, in IA's link, which seems to be 3 years. Seems like it is a meaningless term. Or it may be more about the notice period between calling the election and the date on which voting occurs.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Probably, but to what end? She already thinks its OK to ignore Scotland and her supporters agree with her.

That position will not be changed by a few extra non-SNP MPs in Scotland, nor will it be legitimized in the eyes of those who disagree with her.
As others have suggested, she'd probably counting on those who don't want another independence referendum swinging the vote away from the SNP. I'm not convinced myself that that is what will happen, but I think it's May's own thinking.
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I suspect that May is counting on the SNP losing seats, rather than gaining them.
as fast as Westminster is concerned there's almost nothing the SNP haven't gained already.

They must do less well, on basis of regression to the mean after the previous unprecedented wipeout of the other parties. The preceding local government election results will be fascinating.
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Almost as made up as the Express definition, in IA's link, which seems to be 3 years. Seems like it is a meaningless term. Or it may be more about the notice period between calling the election and the date on which voting occurs.
Well, since 1974 the time during between GEs has ranged between 4 years and 2 days (1983/1987) and 5 years and 28 days (1992/1997). The sole exception was 2001/2005 at 4 years and 11 months, but there's still a big difference between that and the 2 years and 1 month we're facing now.
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As others have suggested, she'd probably counting on those who don't want another independence referendum swinging the vote away from the SNP. I'm not convinced myself that that is what will happen, but I think it's May's own thinking.
I'm not disputing that she might think that or that it might even happen, I'm just wondering what it would be supposed to prove or win her?

Lets take the best dream case for her and say the Tories get a dozen seats in Scotland. So what? She can preach to the converted that it is important?

Turn that on its head and say the Lib Dems get a surge on the back of Brexit and get 15% of the vote. Would that prove that the Tories should abandon their plans to leave the EU?
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Turn that on its head and say the Lib Dems get a surge on the back of Brexit and get 15% of the vote. Would that prove that the Tories should abandon their plans to leave the EU?

I'm futilely hoping for this.

I do think there will be a massive increase in turnout over the last election due to the UK leaving the EU and I suspect that the Libdems will return more seats than they have. How many more is the question.
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......I suspect that the Libdems will return more seats than they have. How many more is the question.
Lifelong (until the last election) Lib and LibDem voter here......

They could double or triple their MP's and still be an irrelevance. In fact, unless they get 40 or 50 MPs they'll remain an irrelevance. I suspect that most of the seats they pick up will be from Labour, although Bath might be interesting for them (a Tory seat).
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.......They must do less well, on basis of regression to the mean after the previous unprecedented wipeout of the other parties.........
I would be interested in your speculation as to the Scottish situation if the SNP lose a few seats, the Conservatives include not granting another indyref as party policy in their manifesto, and then go on to a large election victory. I know this is 3 hypotheticals, but I suspect there is a strong chance for all three.
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Lifelong (until the last election) Lib and LibDem voter here......

They could double or triple their MP's and still be an irrelevance. In fact, unless they get 40 or 50 MPs they'll remain an irrelevance. I suspect that most of the seats they pick up will be from Labour, although Bath might be interesting for them (a Tory seat).
Depends on how they play the West Country I would have thought.
Not that that's a huge number of seats, but it's mostly Tory now (isn't it?).

But yes. I've said before that 20 seats would be a good showing. Expecting much more than that is something of a pipe dream.
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Depends on how they play the West Country I would have thought.......
I'm really not sure it's going to be in their hands. I also don't think they'll get away with the old trick of being everything to everyone, either.......saying X in one constituency and the complete polar opposite in another. Being avid Remainers isn't going to help them with a bunch of retired people in Devon, Cornwall and Dorset.......and Farron really doesn't have any gravitas at all. At least old Paddy could wrinkle his forehead and appear deep and thoughtful.
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things like this don't help http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7691221.html

he's a pretty crap leader tbh
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Well, he's an evangelical christian, for a start, getting himself baptised at the age of 21. That's why the question he was asked about being gay being sinful was so interesting. I reckon if you dig into it you might find that he thinks that being gay is OK, being in a gay marriage is OK, but that gay sex is sinful.

No Lib Dem leader can afford to rule out a coalition with anyone.
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As others have suggested, she'd probably counting on those who don't want another independence referendum swinging the vote away from the SNP. I'm not convinced myself that that is what will happen, but I think it's May's own thinking.
When you consider the results per constituency in 2015, there was only one seat (Berwickshire) where the SNP won with a small margin (less than 1,000 votes), while the Tory seat (Dumfriesshire) was also marginal and the LibDem seat (Orkneys&Shetlands) as well. And in the 2016 Scottish Parliament elections, the SNP only solidified its support. Seeing that go away seems wishful thinking.
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I thought the Private Eye expression was "tired and emotional"?
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
Well, he's an evangelical christian, for a start, getting himself baptised at the age of 21. That's why the question he was asked about being gay being sinful was so interesting. I reckon if you dig into it you might find that he thinks that being gay is OK, being in a gay marriage is OK, but that gay sex is sinful.
yes so another big strike against him in my view, he's a religious nut

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No Lib Dem leader can afford to rule out a coalition with anyone.
pff. this used to be the case. no longer. I predict he will be forced to rule it out during the campaign. the question can be reworded as 'do you rule out doing what clegg did last time that ended up crippling the party's support with no guarantee of resurrection in this election?'

they need to do everything they can to get the remain vote to become their electoral vote. although we may actually end up in civil war if they by some miracle won (would/could they even stand for enough seats to make that theoretically possible?) and derailed brexit
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Originally Posted by McHrozni View Post
We will rebuild public services and expand democratic participation, put the public back into our economy, give people a real say in their local communities, and increase local and regional democracy.

This implies means worker management for enterprises (which worked 'splendidly' for Yugoslavia), or is devoid of all meaning.
Or you could look at the German model of co-determination in enterprises. Having work councils that appoint a number of members in the board, and that have to sign off on reorganisations and mass lay-offs and the social plans that accompany it.

ETA: as to those plans for building more (council) houses, I agree with what others have reacted to you on this.
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Originally Posted by MikeG View Post
Lifelong (until the last election) Lib and LibDem voter here......
presumably the 'until the last election' part was the result of the coalition? I was the same (although I've not had that many votes in a general in my lifetime yet) and had to spoil my ballot - this is why it must be ruled out
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