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Old 18th April 2017, 07:24 PM   #1
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Pee Shivers

Why hasn't science solved the great mystery of why I get pee shivers so often, my 2 year old daughter occasionally gets them, and my wife almost never gets them? Anyone else experience these sudden shivers after relieving a loaded bladder? I read some theories, and can immediately dismiss some of them.

One theorized men get the shivers while women don't because men pee standing up... though never really explains why that would matter. Well, I pee sitting down. I admit it. I will pee standing if I must, but will gladly sit if given the opportunity. Why? Splash back. I don't like pee spatter on my legs and the toilet, thank you very much. I have no idea why a grown man would pee standing up in most circumstances. But let's stay focused here.

Since I pee sitting down nearly as often as my wife, yet only I get to experience the joys of sudden onset shivers (SOS), that can't be it. And my daughter definitely gets these, so it isn't only a male thing. I do have pretty low resting blood pressure. My wife is well in the normal range.

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Old 18th April 2017, 07:49 PM   #2
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I shot the Sheriff.
But I do not shiver when I pee.
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Old 19th April 2017, 12:31 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I shot the Sheriff.
But I do not shiver when I pee.
Nor do I, and I never shot anyone.
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I've always wondered about this but never remembered to mention it after the shivers have gone
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Likely related to the same mechanism as orgasm.
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Old 19th April 2017, 07:33 AM   #6
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Yep, I get them. Always have.


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I read some theories, and can immediately dismiss some of them.
Is it a temperature related thing? All of a sudden a quantity of body-temperature fluid exits the body. Some sort of heat transfer thing? I'm just taking a guess.
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
Is it a temperature related thing? All of a sudden a quantity of body-temperature fluid exits the body. Some sort of heat transfer thing? I'm just taking a guess.
If so, why doesn't my wife get them? Or many women for that matter apparently.
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Old 19th April 2017, 12:22 PM   #9
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If so, why doesn't my wife get them? Or many women for that matter apparently.
I understand what you are getting at. But it doesn't automatically make the answer incorrect. The problem is that you cannot properly identify a correct answer even if you get one.

What kind of an answer would satisfy you? Would it have to be the kind of an answer whereby once you learn the cause you could accurately predict pee shiver for any person?
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Here is a youtube on the subject
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Edit. Just watched it and the answer is still not certain. no pee reviewed research has happened on the subject.

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Old 19th April 2017, 03:46 PM   #11
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I don't know what the "condition" is called, but my Dad has passed out more than once after urinating, or perhaps during. The first time he banged his head pretty bad. I think he broke his nose.

The doctor said it was something fairly common but I don't remember what. It may be Micturition but that word doesn't sound familiar to me (I just googled the symptoms and found the word). He's never mentioned pee shivers.

I agree with the poster above who mentioned sitting down to do it. Yes it splashes out if you stand no matter how true your aim! If you're wearing shorts you will feel it. Ladies, if you are concerned about a man's aim, don't be. It's only half the story - it's on your floor either way

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One encounters micturition in some Vogon poetry.
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Shiver.

Pee.

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FWIW, I experience this all the time
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:27 PM   #15
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Maybe the shiver is nature's way of shaking loose that last drop. A Darwin moment.
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Micturition merely refers to the process of expelling urine. I don't suppose anyone has considered the possibility that maybe exposing sensitive anatomy to the open air might leave some individuals...but not others...cold?
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I should have said micturition syncope.
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some vague info here

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We simply turned to Dr. Anish Sheth, author of “What’s My Pee Telling Me?”

“No one knows for certain what the specific trigger for the shivering is,” says Sheth, formerly director of the gastrointestinal motility program at Yale Medical School. But he points to two generally accepted variables to help solve this riddle.

First, the feeling “mostly” is experienced by males. Second, it “occurs most commonly while voiding large amounts of urine,” he says.

Or, to put it as delicately as possible, the icy jolt seems to hit after we’ve really, really had to go. Never after a tiny trickle.

According to Sheth, our parasympathetic nervous system (responsible for “rest-and-digest” functions) lowers the body’s blood pressure “to initiate urination.” One leading theory behind the shudder is that peeing can unleash a reactive response from the body’s sympathetic nervous system (which handles “fight or flight” actions).

On the cellular level, the body is theoretically flushed with catecholamines (which you know better as chemicals like dopamine or hormones like adrenaline). Those are dispatched to help restore or maintain blood pressure, Sheth says. But the microscopic energy bullets “may also trigger the shiver reflect.”

This theory, the author says, best explains “the gender difference as men pee standing up and, therefore, would be more prone to feeling the effects of a lower blood pressure, thereby triggering this exaggerated sympathetic nervous system response.
http://bodyodd.nbcnews.com/_news/201...e-curious?lite

and perhaps ....

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The last example also applies to the nether regions of the body. Micturition (urination) is also a positive feedback loop. The wall of the urinary bladder is built in such a way that there are several layers of cells. As the bladder fills up, the wall stretches and these cells move around until the wall is only a single cell thick. At this point, urination is inevitable (cannot be stopped by voluntary control). Beginning of the urination starts the movement of the cells back from single-layer state to multi-layer state. This contracts the bladder further which forces urine out even more which contracts the wall of the bladder even more, and so on until the bladder is completely empty again and everything goes back to normal.
http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/0...natomy-and-ph/
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Originally Posted by William Parcher View Post
I understand what you are getting at. But it doesn't automatically make the answer incorrect. The problem is that you cannot properly identify a correct answer even if you get one.

What kind of an answer would satisfy you? Would it have to be the kind of an answer whereby once you learn the cause you could accurately predict pee shiver for any person?
I'm mostly having fun here with this. Stop being so serious.
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I'm mostly having fun here with this. Stop being so serious.
I know. But there is still an interesting question behind my comments. How do we decide what would be a satisfactory explanation? Do we require 100% applicability in all circumstances before we say "yep that's it"?

It's a question that has implications far beyond the question of pee shiver. Do we sometimes reject correct answers to questions because we have set a bar too high?
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Here is a youtube on the subject
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Edit. Just watched it and the answer is still not certain. no pee reviewed research has happened on the subject.
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Oops, wrong thread.
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No pee shivers here.

But often when I take Karen's hand to say grace, I get an involuntary shiver. Maybe 3 times out of 4.

I don't get it when taking her hand at other times.

She thinks it's a sign. I just have always found it off.
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I can get the shivers when beginning to urinate even if I "stop" before there is any flow. That leads me to think that this from above
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According to Sheth, our parasympathetic nervous system (responsible for “rest-and-digest” functions) lowers the body’s blood pressure “to initiate urination.” One leading theory behind the shudder is that peeing can unleash a reactive response from the body’s sympathetic nervous system (which handles “fight or flight” actions).
or something similar (possibly not blood pressure but something else related to "initiation") is the most likely cause.
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I've never even heard of this. You are all crazy, and clearly put together by an unintelligent designer!
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Originally Posted by foophil View Post
Why hasn't science solved the great mystery of why I get pee shivers so often, my 2 year old daughter occasionally gets them, and my wife almost never gets them? Anyone else experience these sudden shivers after relieving a loaded bladder? I read some theories, and can immediately dismiss some of them.

One theorized men get the shivers while women don't because men pee standing up... though never really explains why that would matter. Well, I pee sitting down. I admit it. I will pee standing if I must, but will gladly sit if given the opportunity. Why? Splash back. I don't like pee spatter on my legs and the toilet, thank you very much. I have no idea why a grown man would pee standing up in most circumstances. But let's stay focused here.

Since I pee sitting down nearly as often as my wife, yet only I get to experience the joys of sudden onset shivers (SOS), that can't be it. And my daughter definitely gets these, so it isn't only a male thing. I do have pretty low resting blood pressure. My wife is well in the normal range.

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Might the exposure of certain parts of the body to facilitate the act of peeing, that are not normally exposed otherwise, contribute to the phenomenon? There could be a draft.
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If so, why doesn't my wife get them? Or many women for that matter apparently.
You must be doing it wrong. I am happy to give lessons.



Oh.... did you mean the shiver thing?
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No pee shivers here.

But often when I take Karen's hand to say grace, I get an involuntary shiver. Maybe 3 times out of 4.

I don't get it when taking her hand at other times.

She thinks it's a sign. I just have always found it off.
People often say grace when they are sitting down.

Do you often hold your wife's hand when you two are sitting down in other circumstances?
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Why hasn't science solved the great mystery of why I get pee shivers so often, my 2 year old daughter occasionally gets them, and my wife almost never gets them? Anyone else experience these sudden shivers after relieving a loaded bladder? I read some theories, and can immediately dismiss some of them.

One theorized men get the shivers while women don't because men pee standing up... though never really explains why that would matter. Well, I pee sitting down. I admit it. I will pee standing if I must, but will gladly sit if given the opportunity. Why? Splash back. I don't like pee spatter on my legs and the toilet, thank you very much. I have no idea why a grown man would pee standing up in most circumstances. But let's stay focused here.

Since I pee sitting down nearly as often as my wife, yet only I get to experience the joys of sudden onset shivers (SOS), that can't be it. And my daughter definitely gets these, so it isn't only a male thing. I do have pretty low resting blood pressure. My wife is well in the normal range.

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It would matter if you experienced shivering more often when peeing standing up, because you'd be more likely to injure yourself if you fainted from a standing position than if you fainted from a sitting position.

And that's because, obviously enough, if you faint while standing, you have further to fall.

Evolution?
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It would matter if you experienced shivering more often when peeing standing up, because you'd be more likely to injure yourself if you fainted from a standing position than if you fainted from a sitting position.

And that's because, obviously enough, if you faint while standing, you have further to fall.

Evolution?
In other words, the drop in blood pressure that would cause you to faint is more of an issue to your health/mortality if it happens while standing than sitting.

Maybe people are more sensitive to drops in blood pressure that happen while they are standing?

I know some people have POTS, which has something to do with dysregulation of their blood pressure when they change position (as from sitting to standing).
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People often say grace when they are sitting down.

Do you often hold your wife's hand when you two are sitting down in other circumstances?
Often enough that it's clear it does not happen then - in the car, in a movie, whatever.

Reading my quoted text I meant to say I found it "odd", not the spell-checked "off".
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Often enough that it's clear it does not happen then - in the car, in a movie, whatever.

Reading my quoted text I meant to say I found it "odd", not the spell-checked "off".
So it's back to 'when saying grace'? At the dinner table with her family?

Or a spectre of "If you want to grow up to be big and strong, eat every potato and pe on your plate"?, so same phenomenon.
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If you tell me when you are peeing I'll let you know if it makes me shiver.
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So it's back to 'when saying grace'? At the dinner table with her family?
Nope. I think it's only when it's the two of us. It's a ritual she likes and I don't mind at all.

Just makes me shiver, is all!
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