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Old 19th April 2017, 03:55 AM   #1
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What does Trump being president mean about future presidents?

I saw this article recently:

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Oprah Winfrey has revealed thoughts about being the next President.

The legendary talk show host, 63, had previously said she’d never consider running for the top job.

[...]

Winfrey said: “I never considered the question even a possibility,” she told when asked whether she might consider a run.

[...]

Winfrey added that she had always thought the job would require far more experience than she had – but has recently changed her mind.

[...]

“It’s clear you don’t need government experience to be elected president of the United States”, she said.

“That’s what I thought,” she continued.

“I thought, ‘Oh, gee, I don’t have the experience, I don’t know enough.’ And now I’m thinking, ‘Oh.'”
So that's the question - does someone as unqualified as Trump becoming president leave the door open for even more unqualified people to take the job in the future?

I mean, Winfrey is well-regarded and is a good orator. It's certainly not unthinkable that she could get enough support.
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Old 19th April 2017, 03:59 AM   #2
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I saw this article recently:



So that's the question - does someone as unqualified as Trump becoming president leave the door open for even more unqualified people to take the job in the future?

I mean, Winfrey is well-regarded and is a good orator. It's certainly not unthinkable that she could get enough support.
I don't agree that she is more unqualified than Trump.
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
So that's the question - does someone as unqualified as Trump becoming president leave the door open for even more unqualified people to take the job in the future?
For clarification, do you mean more people who are also unqualified or people who are less qualified than Trump?

Winfrey, IMHO, is probably not the latter. It is difficult to think of who might be.
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:38 AM   #4
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What I'm taking away from it is that campaign promises don't matter. Just say what they'll eat up at the time. Oh, and flagrant lies are OK now, too.
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Old 19th April 2017, 04:50 AM   #5
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I saw this article recently:



So that's the question - does someone as unqualified as Trump becoming president leave the door open for even more unqualified people to take the job in the future?

I mean, Winfrey is well-regarded and is a good orator. It's certainly not unthinkable that she could get enough support.
Actually, it might create a backlash in the other direction.
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:13 AM   #6
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What does Trump being president mean about future presidents?

That they will NEVER be the worst president of the USA. Never.
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:34 AM   #7
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What does Trump being president mean about future presidents?

That they will NEVER be the worst president of the USA. Never.
Come now, in some universe Steve Bannon might get elected president.
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:37 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Upchurch View Post
For clarification, do you mean more people who are also unqualified or people who are less qualified than Trump?
You're right, I could have phrased that better. I meant the former.

My point is that it seems that potential candidates and the public alike no longer seem to think that being qualified for the job is a prerequisite for getting the job.
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:59 AM   #9
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
You're right, I could have phrased that better. I meant the former.

My point is that it seems that potential candidates and the public alike no longer seem to think that being qualified for the job is a prerequisite for getting the job.

"Qualified" may be a subjective metric.

I (and most voters?) want a considerate, intelligent person with intentions I consider either aligned with my own, or logical enough (on various parameters) that I'm on board. And a temperament that doesn't scare the bejeezus out of the rest of the world.
I expect an experienced staff to guide a POTUS in what's possible, and what's not, in wielding what power the WH affords to steer the country.

I see none of that in Trump.

But Argumemnon may have a point... Trump may have done more than damage the system, he may have broken it. Leading to a backlash next cycle with demand for an even more than usually experienced politician.

We'll see. I expect Trump's actions over the next couple of years to determine that. I'm not optimistic.
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Old 19th April 2017, 05:59 AM   #10
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Come now, in some universe Steve Bannon might get elected president.
Hell, Jeff Sessions is seventh in line.
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So, we can expect president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho to be number 46?

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The quote from Oprah bothers me. She is considering a run because experience isn't necessary to win, but it is necessary to do a good job after the win. I'm sure she'd do better than Trump, but she doesn't seem to even think about that.
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Old 19th April 2017, 06:43 AM   #13
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The quote from Oprah bothers me. She is considering a run because experience isn't necessary to win, but it is necessary to do a good job after the win. I'm sure she'd do better than Trump, but she doesn't seem to even think about that.

It might not be necessary to do the job.

A thoughtful, thinking person, willing to learn and listen to an experienced, knowledgeable staff is all that's minimally necessary.

I'm not sure there's another position in the world (I'm including other head of state positions) that produces more gray hair... at a faster rate.
Basically... no president enters office knowing just how much s/he doesn't know. They all need to learn on the job. And it's wearying.

And as long as ego doesn't get in their way... I'm fairly okay knowing that.


I'm not sure how I'd feel specifically about an Oprah administration.
She's probably got a demonstrably better track record in business... but I know zip about her socio/political beliefs. Or how she takes to utilizing a more knowledgeable staff.

I guess I'm saying I don't consider Trump's ego to be a healthy one.
IMO... business acumen aside, he has no business being in public service.
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Old 19th April 2017, 06:49 AM   #14
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Too early to tell. If, for example, Trump gets impeached for financial misbehavior as Pres, we'll see a series of squeaky clean candidates for a while, along with a raft of new ethics laws. But if he wins reelection by a genuine landslide, they'll all be racing to the bottom.

Neither of those is particularly likely, of course.
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Old 19th April 2017, 06:58 AM   #15
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So, we can expect president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho to be number 46?

I remember an episode of Sliders in which they visited an alternate Earth where a lowering of the voting age resulted in Howard Stern being elected President.
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I wonder how much political experience ranks in importance to the average voter. And then what experience in particular. House -> Senate -> Governor -> Vice President I would guess to be the average mindset, with military and intelligence director level experience being wild cards.

Then it would be about when experience becomes a burden. Is a senator that has been around for 30 years more likely to be nominated over one with 15? 10? Is a one term governor more experienced than a 20 year house rep? Guess there is probably just a low baseline of 'has knowledge of how the government works, did something in it for a bit'.

All Trump did was drop that baseline to 0, so people no longer have to jump in at a lower rung to get the exposure and trust of the public of basic knowledge. Although this only applies to the rich and famous of course.
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People tend to hold politicians in low regard, overall. Trump successfully ran on just that.
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It might not be necessary to do the job.

A thoughtful, thinking person, willing to learn and listen to an experienced, knowledgeable staff is all that's minimally necessary.

I'm not sure there's another position in the world (I'm including other head of state positions) that produces more gray hair... at a faster rate.
Basically... no president enters office knowing just how much s/he doesn't know. They all need to learn on the job. And it's wearying.

And as long as ego doesn't get in their way... I'm fairly okay knowing that.


I'm not sure how I'd feel specifically about an Oprah administration.
She's probably got a demonstrably better track record in business... but I know zip about her socio/political beliefs. Or how she takes to utilizing a more knowledgeable staff.

I guess I'm saying I don't consider Trump's ego to be a healthy one.
IMO... business acumen aside, he has no business being in public service.
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Dr Oz for Surgeon General!

Dr. Phil for HHS?

Yeah... I think I'll take a pass on Oprah.
Thanks for the reminder.
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The quote from Oprah bothers me. She is considering a run because experience isn't necessary to win, but it is necessary to do a good job after the win. I'm sure she'd do better than Trump, but she doesn't seem to even think about that.
I doubt Oprah is actually considering a run.

Which is too bad. I think she'd probably make a better president than Hillary Clinton.
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I doubt Oprah is actually considering a run.

Which is too bad. I think she'd probably make a better president than Hillary Clinton.
Good Zod why?
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For clarification, do you mean more people who are also unqualified or people who are less qualified than Trump?

Winfrey, IMHO, is probably not the latter. It is difficult to think of who might be.
I am certain there are very few people out there with the tiniest bit of a chance to win after trumpf. And most of those would be smarter and more knowledgeable than he - just , though, nobodies.
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You're right, I could have phrased that better. I meant the former.

My point is that it seems that potential candidates and the public alike no longer seem to think that being qualified for the job is a prerequisite for getting the job.
I think the majority of the public is bright enough to not vote for trump's type of incompetent bungler again. So IF they get their butts out and VOTE for the correct side - even if they do not like that person then maybe we can get all those right wing nuts out of our government and get on with the real world!!!!!
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Too early to tell. If, for example, Trump gets impeached for financial misbehavior as Pres, we'll see a series of squeaky clean candidates for a while, along with a raft of new ethics laws. But if he wins reelection by a genuine landslide, they'll all be racing to the bottom.

Neither of those is particularly likely, of course.
I would love to see the first, though.
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What I'm taking away from it is that campaign promises don't matter. Just say what they'll eat up at the time. Oh, and flagrant lies are OK now, too.
It's cute that you think this started with Trump.
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Good Zod why?
Surely you have heard/read all the right wing lies already. No point in reopening right wings rants again. just bury them in voters everywhere!!!
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Come now, in some universe Steve Bannon might get elected president.
Not after throwing shade on Donny, he won't. He's already off the Security Council and in the bad books. I suspect there has been a finger pointed and the words "You're fired" uttered. Such actions should never have been necessary, of course.
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It's cute that you think this started with Trump.
I don't. It's been a long-standing tradition that "politicians lie". But this is so far beyond the standard, and verifiable, as to be laughable if not horrifying.
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It's cute that you think this started with Trump.
Let's just say that this is the first time a US president is so blatant and transparent about his disdain for the truth.
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Good Zod why?
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It's cute that you think this started with Trump.
They tend to not require major headlines being rewritten because they reverse themselves over the course of the day. Look at the wall street journals headlines when candidate trump was meeting with the mexican president. And this is a friendly newscorp owned media outlet not the lame steam media.
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This is assuming there will be future presidents...
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This is assuming there will be future presidents...
There may be future El presidentes.
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I wonder how much political experience ranks in importance to the average voter. And then what experience in particular. House -> Senate -> Governor -> Vice President I would guess to be the average mindset, with military and intelligence director level experience being wild cards.
Remember when Republicans complained that Obama didn't have enough experience coming into office, having only had around 10 years of legislative experience in the Illinois and US Senates?

Ha Ha! Oh, man! What wacky times those were.
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There may be future El presidentes.
You think the republican base would stand for that? Spanish, not in the US.
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I saw this article recently:



So that's the question - does someone as unqualified as Trump becoming president leave the door open for even more unqualified people to take the job in the future?

I mean, Winfrey is well-regarded and is a good orator. It's certainly not unthinkable that she could get enough support.
Probably not, but what it did was worst : it fully qualified that a campaign based on utterly deplorable populist idea by a scum can win. Therefore expect such tactic to be used more often in future...
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This is assuming there will be future presidents...
That's what I thought.

Erdogan is on his way to a dictatorship. Trump believes that's the best form of government.

ETA: With him having absolute power to choose his successor.

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Seems to me like the Trump presidency might be the best thing for the Democrats in 2018.
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Originally Posted by Argumemnon View Post
Seems to me like the Trump presidency might be the best thing for the Democrats in 2018.
Lol
Yeah it was that in 2016, how'd that work out for ya?
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