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Old 8th September 2020, 10:55 PM   #1601
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Well, I don't trust Trump or Gaetan, so I guess that makes me doubleplussmart!
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Old 9th September 2020, 08:53 AM   #1602
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Every agent has a second job as cover up.
When are you going to be finishing my biography? Will I get a first draft to review? Do I have any editorial control over it?

My cover job, to protect your fact I work for the CIA and to protect the "money system" is to be working for the IRS? Man, that is a crappy cover.

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Trump is not an idiot, he doesn't trust these criminals, unfortunately Biden Does.
So, wait, now you support Trump? Do you think Trump would support your plan?
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Old 9th September 2020, 09:17 AM   #1603
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You fellows are criminals from the cia defending the use of money, i can see that.
That must be it. There can be no other explanation.

It can't possibly just be that your poorly thought through idea is totally ridiculous and won't work, so the only remaining explanation is that all of us, from all sorts of different countries, are agents of the American CIA. Sorry, I mean criminal agents of the American CIA.

I can see there's no fooling you. Well done.


PS Do you have any idea why the CIA in particular would want to continue the existence of money? If it really wasn't needed and we can all just have everything we want, why defend the status quo? I mean, if everyone who works for the CIA could just <shrug> not work for the CIA and then get everything they want for free, why would anyone be against that? What's the motivation?

Are we the baddies?
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Old 9th September 2020, 01:04 PM   #1604
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That must be it. There can be no other explanation.
Bingo. We must be the CIA as we are taking down his perfect plan. No other government agency in the world would dare take on the all knowing Gaetan. We have to be in on it. Has to be the CIA. Can't be the Treasury, or the good people at the IRS. Or the forest service. Department of the Agriculture? Energy? The list goes on.
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Old 9th September 2020, 02:06 PM   #1605
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Bingo. We must be the CIA as we are taking down his perfect plan. No other government agency in the world would dare take on the all knowing Gaetan. We have to be in on it. Has to be the CIA. Can't be the Treasury, or the good people at the IRS. Or the forest service. Department of the Agriculture? Energy? The list goes on.
It is just an image, you could work for that service spying people in your country and all over the world.
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It is just an image, you could work for that service spying people in your country and all over the world.
The CIA is not permitted to spy internally. That would be the FBI, or maybe the NSA.

I've told you a few time which agency I work for. You can either take my word for it or not. But I'm fairly certain you aren't a target for any government agency at any level because of this idea of yours.
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Old 10th September 2020, 02:52 AM   #1607
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Every agent has a second job as cover up. Trump is not an idiot, he doesn't trust these criminals, unfortunately Biden Does.
Right.

So tell me, how was your space flight from planet sausage?
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Gaetan is C.I.A.

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Old 10th September 2020, 01:41 PM   #1609
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When Gaetan is king, everyone who strays from the true path will be agents of the CIA.

If you secretly hoard produce instead of sharing it, CIA. If you trade stuff instead of just giving everything to anyone who wants it, CIA. If you deal in illegal drugs or forbidden luxuries, CIA. There is no other explanation. It obviously can't just be a stupid and unworkable idea. Must be the CIA.
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Old 10th September 2020, 03:21 PM   #1610
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According to Gaetan the CIA dictates air traffic in every country in the world, so us all being CIA agents would make perfect sense.
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It is just an image, you could work for that service spying people in your country and all over the world.
So couldn't you? Couldn't you be such an unknowing dupe of the establishment expounding nonsensical tripe, to make a no money system seem untenable?

As counter to such, couldn't you put at least some effort into knowing what you are talking about? Your lack of the latter tends towards the former.
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Old 10th September 2020, 07:24 PM   #1612
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So, wait, now you support Trump? Do you think Trump would support your plan?
Yeah, that surprised me, that Trump of all people, could ever be the lesser of any of his money evils. Seems not listening to intelligence is the comradery there.
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Old 10th September 2020, 08:34 PM   #1613
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I don't support Trump but i am scare that a guy as Joe Biden be elected as president. You see when Obama was elected he soon committed his first crime under the suggestion of the cia and was soon corrupted and a criminal, i don't trust a democrat like Joe Biden either, he'll do the same, he is more stupid than Trump. I suggest that people in US refuse to vote for either of them.
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I don't support Trump but i am scare that a guy as Joe Biden be elected as president. You see when Obama was elected he soon committed his first crime under the suggestion of the cia and was soon corrupted and a criminal, i don't trust a democrat like Joe Biden either, he'll do the same, he is more stupid than Trump. I suggest that people in US refuse to vote for either of them.
Given how all powerful you think the CIA is, and the fact we are all CIA agents here, why are you running your mouth about our "crimes?"

I plan on voting for Dr. Jo, but you'll just accuse me of voting for Trump, as you have done in the past. But since he is your preferred candidate, that's a good thing?
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Old 11th September 2020, 10:04 AM   #1615
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Un-intented comedy gold.

Ah what a great thread a bunch a smart people clustered around a fellow 'Echappé de Charenton' - who never fails to repay their attention with complete madness!

May this thread live on forever!
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Un-intented comedy gold.

Ah what a great thread a bunch a smart people clustered around a fellow 'Echappé de Charenton' - who never fails to repay their attention with complete madness!

May this thread live on forever!
Just proof we are all secret agents.
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Long ago I had a cat who loved to and play. I had an old fishing pole, and put a rubber worm on the line, and would dangle it over him and he'd go absolutely bonkers, jumping at it and trying to catch it. He saw me. I'm sure he know it was just a rubber worm on a cheapl fishing pole, but he just couldn't help himself.

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Just proof we are all secret agents.
Absolutely, you are agents to the core and ISF is just a honey pot to attract dissents so you can ID them then shut them down and never just let them inform the public....oh wait....

Hey shouldn't our no money friend be on his way to hte superity secret James Bond wing of the incommunicado sub fortress of Guantanamo? You guys seems to be slacking off a bit here...

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Absolutely, you are agents to the core and ISF is just a honey pot to attract dissents so you can ID them then shut them down and never just let them inform the public....oh wait....

Hey shouldn't our no money friend be on his way to hte superity secret James Bond wing of the incommunicado sub fortress of Guantanamo? You guys seems to be slacking off a bit here...
Are you a member of the security bank account force?
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Are you a member of the security bank account force?
Why no the Bombay Artillery
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Are you a member of the security bank account force?
That sounds like a seriously nefarious organization. I can't find any info on the web about them, but since you're an expert, perhaps you could fill us in. If you join do you get to go to their secret volcanic island hideout? Do they wear funny hats? Is their health insurance plan any good? The deep state isn't what it used to be since it filled up with Russians, so it would be good to have a fallback.
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That sounds like a seriously nefarious organization. I can't find any info on the web about them, but since you're an expert, perhaps you could fill us in. If you join do you get to go to their secret volcanic island hideout? Do they wear funny hats? Is their health insurance plan any good? The deep state isn't what it used to be since it filled up with Russians, so it would be good to have a fallback.
Ah, the secret SBAF.

Well its probably not:

SBAF Safe Blood for Africa Foundation (Washington, DC)
SBAF Secretory Bacterial Aggregating Factor
SBAF Shanghai Bureau of Agriculture and Forestry
SBAF Small Business Accounting and Finance (Denver, CO)

I believe it is a ultra-top-super-secret-select-special-elite organization so utterly secret no one knows whose in it. Even the people who are in it don't know they are part of it.

Gaetan is, as far as anyone can tell, the only member, and he was banned two years ago for continuing to use money in the real world.
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That sounds like a seriously nefarious organization. I can't find any info on the web about them, but since you're an expert, perhaps you could fill us in.
Clearly not named by the government. We aren't that creative. Well, some of us may be, but it's frowned upon.

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If you join do you get to go to their secret volcanic island hideout? Do they wear funny hats? Is their health insurance plan any good?
Sadly, due to the pandemic, most if not all travel is cancelled. The federal government plans for health care is in the "not bad" category. Used to be better, trying to be worse.
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Would "goods and services" include things people usually dont talk much about?
Like drugs, prostitute services ..?
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Would "goods and services" include things people usually dont talk much about?
Like drugs, prostitute services ..?
Well, drug production would magically stop since there is no profit motive. Keep in mind, that drugs are the only thing made for profit. Everything else is made for the love of making it. Or something.

Gaetan has avoided addressing sex work in his perfect vision, to my recollection. Best guess, he wouldn't approve of it as it would fail his puritan value check, so it also has to go.

The good news is nobody is checking, so you can just say you've worked and get your manna from heaven.

Also, welcome to the CIA and the "security bank account force" make sure to grab a welcome package, fill-out the direct deposit information. Don't stress to much over the health care stuff, open season is coming at the end of the year.

I'm a bit surprised we are adding staff this close to the end of the fiscal. Congrats!

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Would "goods and services" include things people usually dont talk much about?
Like drugs, prostitute services ..?
Under the no money system goods will be made for the benefit of citizen so there is no benefit of drugs, then all these products will be remouved from drug stores. Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.

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Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.
But prostitution is their work. Without that work they aren't putting anything into the marketplace to earn their free stuff.
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But prostitution is their work. Without that work they aren't putting anything into the marketplace to earn their free stuff.
If something has to be "earned"- it is not "free", no?
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Under the no money system goods will be made for the benefit of citizen so there is no benefit of drugs, then all these products will be remouved from drug stores. Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.
The benefits of drugs are their effects, even the ones not sold in drug stores. So given that, are you now claiming such drugs would still be made?


Still waiting to hear what the consequences of crime in your no money world be other than, what was it, being stopped by someone to say "hey"?
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If something has to be "earned"- it is not "free", no?
It's thinking like that which will get you into the upper ranks of the CIA and a proper cover job.

Gaetan only thinks that currency counts as payment. I've pointed out that you could put it into hours worked vs. hours extracted, but so long as money doesn't change hands, it's all good. Somehow. Quit asking about it and pointing out flaws. He doesn't want to hear flaws. He won't entertain them. There are no flaws, only CIA agents.
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Under the no money system goods will be made for the benefit of citizen so there is no benefit of drugs, then all these products will be remouved from drug stores. Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.
So sick people will not be allowed to get treatment?
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Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.
Let's assume for the moment all sex workers only do it for the money so will just stop, and so too will all narcotics producers.

So now you have eliminated the supply but done nothing to address the demand. Do you foresee any negative social consequences, or do you expect people to just become good little robots when you take away their illicit pleasures?
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Under the no money system goods will be made for the benefit of citizen so there is no benefit of drugs, then all these products will be remouved from drug stores. Concerning prostitution as all goods and services are free of charge there will be no need for a prostitute to work as such.
So once again we have an unnamed source of judgment, deciding for all of us what is "for the benefit of citizen," and decreeing that they be removed from drugstores - which of course is not where the worst of them come from anyway, but picky picky. Every time something like this comes up, Gaetan's society seems to sprout another gray eminence directing from behind the curtain.
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So sick people will not be allowed to get treatment?
Yes but only with product that is not poison.
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So getting sick is a death sentence in your world.
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So no anti-bionics or anti-bacterial. Heck, even just oxygen is poisonous in sufficient quantity.

See Oxygen Toxicity

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK430743/

As usual, Gaetan, your simplistic assertions are devoid of any real world relevance.
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So getting sick is a death sentence in your world.
Living in his world is a death sentence. A world filled with warlords, to be certain.
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People doing jobs Gaetan doesn't approve of will all stop work because they aren't getting paid to do it any more.

People doing jobs Gaetan does approve of will all continue to work because, umm, maybe pleasing Gaetan is the only motivation they need.

For example, if you have an assembly job in a car factory, you will want to continue to turn up and work as hard as ever for no pay. But this is only true if the cars you are building are below a certain level of luxury which Gaetan considers acceptable. If you work in the Fiat factory and spend all day bolting shock absorbers onto cars you will want to continue, if you do an identical job in the Ferrari factory you will not.

It's not yet clear if there will be an approved list of jobs but as you can see, it will need to be pretty detailed.
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People doing jobs Gaetan doesn't approve of will all stop work because they aren't getting paid to do it any more.

People doing jobs Gaetan does approve of will all continue to work because, umm, maybe pleasing Gaetan is the only motivation they need.

For example, if you have an assembly job in a car factory, you will want to continue to turn up and work as hard as ever for no pay. But this is only true if the cars you are building are below a certain level of luxury which Gaetan considers acceptable. If you work in the Fiat factory and spend all day bolting shock absorbers onto cars you will want to continue, if you do an identical job in the Ferrari factory you will not.

It's not yet clear if there will be an approved list of jobs but as you can see, it will need to be pretty detailed.
All you want is to cut the head of a cow and sit on it skin, luxury yes, but not at detriment of humanity.
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Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge View Post
For example, if you have an assembly job in a car factory, you will want to continue to turn up and work as hard as ever for no pay. But this is only true if the cars you are building are below a certain level of luxury which Gaetan considers acceptable. If you work in the Fiat factory and spend all day bolting shock absorbers onto cars you will want to continue, if you do an identical job in the Ferrari factory you will not.
Our lord and savior, Gaetan, would not lay his eyes on a Fiat. It's Tesla or nothing for him.

I'm not sure of his opinion on the BMW electrics. Ferrari is trying to make an electric supercar, so if you were working on that, it's a solid maybe.
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