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Old 12th August 2020, 05:15 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
My view of collateral damage is that it's justified only when two conditions* are met:

First, the destruction of the target has a clear military value.

Second, that the amount of collateral damage is proportional to the expected military value of destroying the target.

Obviously this is a social situation, not a military one, so feel free to substitute "social value" for military value. Without resorting to bigotry, can you present a theory of social value arising from the thousands of deaths that you believe will solve whatever the problem is?
Yes, more votes for the party that's more likely to address the issue that's threatening our species right now: global warming.
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Old 12th August 2020, 05:56 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
It did make me wonder -- why are so many bikers so damn fat?
They don't pedal those bikes. Their bikes have motors. Calling those things 'bikes' is a bit of an insult to bikes, they're more like bloated mopeds.
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:36 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
Another thing worth pointing out is that local sightseeing is a big part of the rally. Often bikers will go on long rides during the day to place like Mt. Rushmore, Deadwood, or other popular tourist spots, and return to Sturgis in the evening for the partying.

Everything within a couple hours drive is probably getting a nice dose of outside biological profile. A mitigating factor is that many of these attractions are outdoors. It's probably possible to go to places like Mt. Rushmore and still socially distance, but I doubt many of these bikers really care to try.
This seems irrelevant. If they're standing next to each other in Sturgis anyway, what's the additional harm of them riding over to Rushmore and standing next to each other there?
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:39 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
This seems irrelevant. If they're standing next to each other in Sturgis anyway, what's the additional harm of them riding over to Rushmore and standing next to each other there?
They might infect the stone heads with covid.
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Old 12th August 2020, 06:40 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
This seems irrelevant. If they're standing next to each other in Sturgis anyway, what's the additional harm of them riding over to Rushmore and standing next to each other there?
It spreads the impact to other towns outside of Sturgis. Each night they return to home base to cough directly into eachothers mouths, then go off in the morning to spread the good news to the entire western part of the state. A bunch of typhoid Mary's on motorcycles touring the state.

Sucks to be an gas station worker in Rapid City right now, I suspect.
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Old 12th August 2020, 07:01 AM   #46
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Hehe -- checking out the Sturgis webcams this morning (8:30 am) it doesn't appear that many bikers are awake yet.
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Old 12th August 2020, 07:06 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
That seems to be applied to things several orders of magnitude smaller than this will be. I mean they call a party that only gets 30 people infected a super spreader event. When this gets 30,000 people infected doesn't it deserve some more impactful name?
Covidioticide?
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Covidioticide?
That's hard to say with a mask on.
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Old 12th August 2020, 07:10 AM   #49
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Hehe -- checking out the Sturgis webcams this morning (8:30 am) it doesn't appear that many bikers are awake yet.
Maybe they are just not morning people.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
Hehe -- checking out the Sturgis webcams this morning (8:30 am) it doesn't appear that many bikers are awake yet.
Wow, just wow. I watched those feeds for a couple hours yesterday. From the long views it's hard to tell the difference between a white beard and a mask. From the closer views I think I saw maybe two masks. The two cops at the intersection were maskless.
The videos of the concerts are beyond disturbing.

Also, holy cow! All that traffic (vehicular and pedestrian) using 4-way stops! At least most seem to know what a 4-way is.
Having said all that it looks like a hell of a lot of fun. Reminds me a bit of the '96 Olympics.
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Originally Posted by ponderingturtle View Post
Maybe they are just not morning people.
The startup of all those bikes at the campground in the morning has got to sound like the massive revving up of the airplanes in Midway (1976). It's gotta be a bitch for all those people with hangovers, though.
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The ones who don't know what a four-way stop is probably didn't survive long enough to become old bikers at Sturgis.
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Old 12th August 2020, 02:07 PM   #53
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I know plenty of people who go to sturgis every year. I know that they are maskless and believe that covid is a hoax to embarrass the POSOTUS.
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They come from all over, and are fersure mask less in their home towns. So there is a higher than normal percentage of Sero+. So the disease rate might be lower than the pandemic porns want.
It might be an interesting group to do a sero study on? Hey CDC!
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I for one am happy to see such a selfless group of indiviruals volunteering to be guinea pigs for a large (if rather uncontrolled) experiment. The only downside is the inevitable collateral damage: spouses, friends, aged parents, and perhaps even offspring.

As others have mentioned, in a couple of years there could be a lot of used motorcycles for sale. I wonder if next year's rally, if it happens, will be noticeably smaller?
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Old 13th August 2020, 08:41 PM   #56
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I for one am happy to see such a selfless group of indiviruals volunteering to be guinea pigs for a large (if rather uncontrolled) experiment. The only downside is the inevitable collateral damage: spouses, friends, aged parents, and perhaps even offspring.

As others have mentioned, in a couple of years there could be a lot of used motorcycles for sale. I wonder if next year's rally, if it happens, will be noticeably smaller?
Maybe. I suspect the week will include a memorial hour gathering with a lot of new faces... seated on familiar rides.

Big grin smilie feels inappropriate here... and yet.

Maybe just a little one.
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Originally Posted by Blue Mountain View Post
I for one am happy to see such a selfless group of indiviruals volunteering to be guinea pigs for a large (if rather uncontrolled) experiment. The only downside is the inevitable collateral damage: spouses, friends, aged parents, and perhaps even offspring.

As others have mentioned, in a couple of years there could be a lot of used motorcycles for sale. I wonder if next year's rally, if it happens, will be noticeably smaller?
I'm not sure if that was a typo but it is damn appropriate.
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At least this has the merit of being a testable prediction. And it's a fairly easy one to test: All we have to do is wait. For how long, do you think? Do we wait one year? Two? Five? Ten?
If the China Virus was anything close to what we were promised, they should all be dead in fourteen days.
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I'm not sure if that was a typo but it is damn appropriate.
Need to fix up the spelling but I wouldn't mind seeing that one go... uh yeah, can't even finish without spoiling a sincere thought.
I'll try this...
"Anti Maskers... American Indivirualists".

Nah... still the spelling.
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I'm not sure if that was a typo but it is damn appropriate.
It was a typo, but I'm still claiming the credit for it!
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If the China Virus was anything close to what we were promised, they should all be dead in fourteen days.
Really ?

Firstly, it's not the "China Virus", that's a lazy racist term, it's Covid-19.

Secondly, AFAIK there has been no suggestion that the fatality rate from Covid-19 is 100% or anything close to it, nor that 100% of people who are exposed to it will catch it.

Thirdly, it's not clear how long the the incubation period is - up to 14 days seems to be the current best guess - but even then the disease can take weeks to kill its victims.

What can be reasonably expected is hundreds of new Covid-19 cases as a result with non-zero fatalities
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Really ?

Firstly, it's not the "China Virus", that's a lazy racist term, it's Covid-19.

Secondly, AFAIK there has been no suggestion that the fatality rate from Covid-19 is 100% or anything close to it, nor that 100% of people who are exposed to it will catch it.

Thirdly, it's not clear how long the the incubation period is - up to 14 days seems to be the current best guess - but even then the disease can take weeks to kill its victims.

What can be reasonably expected is hundreds of new Covid-19 cases as a result with non-zero fatalities
For example,

In the UK, the excess deaths during the first peak (April & May) is about 0.1% of the population - you can get the official data here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...nglandandwales

and do your own maths to confirm.

There are about 58-million people in England & Wales

The latest sereological survey suggests that this was with 6% infected.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...study-suggests


Which would suggest an IFR of about 1.6%
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Another example is the Faroe Islands (scroll down!): So far, 362 cases, no deaths. 137 active cases from a very recent outbreak, 900+ in quarantine, but no current hospitalizations.

ETA: Number of tests: 65,948; population: 48,885!!! There is probably no other place in the world where the number of registered cases is as close to the number of actual cases.
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Firstly, it's not the "China Virus", that's a lazy racist term, it's Covid-19.
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Whenever I see that I read it as sounding like "chin-avarice" or "cadaverous", with the accent on the second syllable.
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It did make me wonder -- why are so many bikers so damn fat?

Wrong kind of bike! I switch between both kinds.

T-shirt suggestion: 'I went to Sturgis, and all I got was this lousy virus'
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Virus parties have been taking place for months where have you been?





Loser criminals in Portland have one practically every night:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/portlands...021952914.html

Stay tuned, from what I hear Chicago is having a huge virus party tonight, even bigger than the shootings and lootings that took place the other day and last month. No surprise really, that's the norm for Democrat run cities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFSXnbjHf0U
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Picture's too small to tell if anyone's wearing masks, but I do see a lot of empty spaces. Are they criminals, or is that out of your ass?
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Picture's too small to tell if anyone's wearing masks, but I do see a lot of empty spaces. Are they criminals, or is that out of your ass?
There's a fricking t-rex coming at them from the bottom of the photo, I doubt a virus is even close to the biggest concern they had at that moment!

eta: and the t-rex seems to be wearing a mask!
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Really ?

Firstly, it's not the "China Virus", that's a lazy racist term, it's Covid-19.
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I'd give them a year... If Trump gets reelected he might bail them out, if not they're screwed. They were in trouble before covid as young people weren't buying their bikes.

Now that the Stars & Bars is no longer acceptable in general society, the loud obnoxious Harley takes top spot for deluded losers who want to portray themselves as "rebels". It's destined to be a relic of a fringe culture.
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If the China Virus was anything close to what we were promised, they should all be dead in fourteen days.
Have you considered visiting the Real World something? It'll be a nice change from Trumpette Fantasy Land.
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Now that the Stars & Bars is no longer acceptable in general society, the loud obnoxious Harley takes top spot for deluded losers who want to portray themselves as "rebels". It's destined to be a relic of a fringe culture.
You write as if this is something new. Stripped down Harleys have been a symbol of rebelliousness for a long, long time.
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As others have mentioned, in a couple of years there could be a lot of used motorcycles for sale. I wonder if next year's rally, if it happens, will be noticeably smaller?
I don't know the expected attendance this year. I only found "up to 700,000". So lets use 500,000. Death rate, 1/2%? Maybe 2,500 deaths? They made 240,000 Harleys in 2017 alone. Maybe 300,000 at Sturgis? Millions all over the country?

I doubt 2,500 extra will effect the price of Harleys,
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I don't know the expected attendance this year. I only found "up to 700,000". So lets use 500,000. Death rate, 1/2%? Maybe 2,500 deaths? They made 240,000 Harleys in 2017 alone. Maybe 300,000 at Sturgis? Millions all over the country?



I doubt 2,500 extra will effect the price of Harleys,
I think ~250,000 is the norm and they're just about there this year. 200k sounds about right for a safe guess.
But they're just about ALL in higher risk categories.I won't be surprised if 10% of them don't see Christmas.
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
I think ~250,000 is the norm and they're just about there this year. 200k sounds about right for a safe guess.
But they're just about ALL in higher risk categories.I won't be surprised if 10% of them don't see Christmas.
I would be surprised if it was anything near that level.

There will almost certainly be new outbreaks as a consequence, but most attendees are likely to get away without catching anything.

We have some figures from the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-h...navirus-death/

You are talking about several thousand additional cases, and several score - maybe several hundred additional deaths


But of course each of those additional *cases* will have a chance of creating a chain of infections and depending on the r-number in the location where the return, they could be responsible for additional deaths.

So still a really bad idea.
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https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...-covid19-surge

The protests didn't cause COVID 19 spikes, probably because of mask wearing (though not enough) and being outside. If that's the case, a lot of events at Sturgis could be done safely if people wore masks. What's going to cause Sturgis spikes will be all the people packed in bars.
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Still looks like a lot of fun though...



Well other than the plague...didn't EA Poe do a thing?
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Well other than the plague...didn't EA Poe do a thing?

Ironically, in Poe's tale, all the celebrants were masked.

As others have mentioned, there's nothing particularly dangerous about the outdoor crowds. If this event were like Woodstock the risk would be minimal. It's the restaurants, bars, and wherever all those people are sleeping (I doubt they all brought tents, or were able to book safely run hotel rooms) that are putting them at risk.
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Yeah, I'd say some of these people are royally ******.
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Originally Posted by Jim_MDP View Post
I think ~250,000 is the norm and they're just about there this year. 200k sounds about right for a safe guess.
But they're just about ALL in higher risk categories.I won't be surprised if 10% of them don't see Christmas.
Those risk factors are bogus.

If half the population is obese, and half the Covid patients are obese, then obesity is not a risk factor.

The one risk factor that I know of is living or working or commuting in close quarters. Were meat packers obese? How about cruisers? (plug any supposed risk factor in instead of obesity)

Health condition making it worse? Higher death rate? Sure, and it holds for flu, cancer,....

But NOT for catching the disease to begin, or spread, a pandemic.
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