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Old 16th August 2020, 04:38 PM   #81
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Video of, something happening there, possibly involving ANTIFA, mostly with a vast amount of noise.
Make of it what you will because I can't make a lot of sense out of any of it.

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Another U tube, which dosn't show anything, but the black woman host says:

"Well, we are not in any way surprised of how stupid Antifa & Black Lives Matter supporters sometimes act, but the level of stupidity reached a new high when they entered the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally in South Dakota - and thought they could intimidate bikers. "
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. . . and thought they could intimidate bikers. "
Just as an aside but most bikers are middle class tough guy wannabes that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack without getting winded. It's amusing to imagine my across the street accountant neighbor dismounting his Fat Boy and trying to duke it out with . . . just about anyone. As far as hard core biker gang types, I'd bet they're a minority there, but I could be wrong.
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Those risk factors are bogus.

If half the population is obese, and half the Covid patients are obese, then obesity is not a risk factor.

The one risk factor that I know of is living or working or commuting in close quarters. Were meat packers obese? How about cruisers? (plug any supposed risk factor in instead of obesity)

Health condition making it worse? Higher death rate? Sure, and it holds for flu, cancer,....

But NOT for catching the disease to begin, or spread, a pandemic.

That's pretty much what everyone means when they talk about older and overweight people being at higher risk.

These particular ones are at higher risk for catching the disease because they've been crowding into bars for the past week.
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Just as an aside but most bikers are middle class tough guy wannabes that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack without getting winded. It's amusing to imagine my across the street accountant neighbor dismounting his Fat Boy and trying to duke it out with . . . just about anyone. As far as hard core biker gang types, I'd bet they're a minority there, but I could be wrong.
Push a big enough crowd of wannabes, and some will become real-abees. Out of a crowd of 200,000? I wouldn't taunt them, and I am 6'3 and 260 in my avatar.

And that accountant across the street might be a veteran, GI bill for his degree?

Real hard guys don't talk about the blood and guts. My uncle raised Christmas trees. Two purple hearts and a Navy cross as a WWII USMC machine gunner. It wasn't until my Dad asked me if his commendation might be on the net that I learned what he did. Swords into plowshares- or Harleys ?
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Video of, something happening there, possibly involving ANTIFA, mostly with a vast amount of noise.
Make of it what you will because I can't make a lot of sense out of any of it.

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In the videos the cops are trying to keep the bikers away from the Antifa. But one of the big Antifa guys was having none of that, he wanted to go at the bikers. Cops took him down w/ tasers, and escorted him though the bikers.
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Anyone going near them is monumentally stupid. They want to live on the edge, don't join them on it!
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Push a big enough crowd of wannabes, and some will become real-abees. Out of a crowd of 200,000? I wouldn't taunt them, and I am 6'3 and 260 in my avatar.
I wouldn't taunt anyone, but for different reasons. Still, the folks buying Harleys during the heyday were certainly not hard guys.

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And that accountant across the street might be a veteran, GI bill for his degree?
Jesus Christ no. Ask me how I know.

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Real hard guys don't talk about the blood and guts. My uncle raised Christmas trees. Two purple hearts and a Navy cross as a WWII USMC machine gunner. It wasn't until my Dad asked me if his commendation might be on the net that I learned what he did. Swords into plowshares- or Harleys ?
Yeah, I know hard guys too, operators, such like. The old man was in the South Pacific: Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Okinawa, my uncle was with Eisenhower, liberated some of the camps. Never talked about this other than the locations of the campaigns. Yep, kept their mouths shut, never wore leathers with Harley (TM) patches, cut the sleeves off, pretended to be tough in groups, or as the old man said, after ten glasses of stupid.

Sorry, not buying your scenario. But I will add that there aren't enough of the (alleged) antifa or BLM to make a difference to the drunken morons with bellies full of stupid.
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That's pretty much what everyone means when they talk about older and overweight people being at higher risk.

These particular ones are at higher risk for catching the disease because they've been crowding into bars for the past week.

Most of the policemen in the video could stand to lose a few pounds ...
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In the videos the cops are trying to keep the bikers away from the Antifa. But one of the big Antifa guys was having none of that, he wanted to go at the bikers. Cops took him down w/ tasers, and escorted him though the bikers.

What appears to happen is that the big guy (I have no idea if he is antifa!) is provoked by one the bikers riding too close to the protesters so he kicks in his direction, but probably without actually hitting anything.
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It's possible that they are just locals who didn't want the event to take place.
60% of Sturgis residents were against a motorcycle rally that brings in thousands but the city approved it. Here's why (CNN, Aug. 10, 2020)

The protesters were very peaceful otherwise. And wore face masks unlike the Trump-loving Confederate-flag waving bikers.
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What appears to happen is that the big guy (I have no idea if he is antifa!) is provoked by one the bikers riding too close to the protesters so he kicks in his direction, but probably without actually hitting anything.
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It's possible that they are just locals who didn't want the event to take place.
60% of Sturgis residents were against a motorcycle rally that brings in thousands but the city approved it. Here's why (CNN, Aug. 10, 2020)

The protesters were very peaceful otherwise. And wore face masks unlike the Trump-loving Confederate-flag waving bikers.
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Masks give anonymity too. Note the increase in violence since wearing a mask doesn't bring suspicion.

Yeah, I agree on the non-antifa, non-blm, once I could read the signs. Though there was some kind of rainbow flag, symbology unknown to me, and the big guy that got took down held a sign I could not read. But they were all whites. The antifa meme seems wrong.

eta: https://www.rideapart.com/articles/4...turns-violent/ Explains the signs. It is a gay rights flag but with an added triangle? Battle flag maybe? Odd I thought. Locally we have a biker club that used to be officially known as Dykes on Bikes. Thought they changed their name to something a little more inclusive- Homos on Harleys maybe? Maybe they were in the closet at Sturgis?

Rainbow flag explanation- The added chevron to the LGBT flag is to inclde the races. It's stirpes are black, brown, pink and blue on some. My first inclination was that the pink was for white folks and the blue was for cops? But the blue may have been ambiguous, pink and blue were cis ? But dropped in favor of white, because they didn't want to give any pro-cop impression?
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Pink triangle as LGBTQ+ symbol. I think the big guy's sign was something about not stepping on snakes, but I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
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Pink triangle as LGBTQ+ symbol. I think the big guy's sign was something about not stepping on snakes, but I have no idea what it's supposed to mean.
It's a parody of the Gadsden flag, also America's at one time, "Don't tread on me". It's supposed to have some kind of racist connotation.
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It's a parody of the Gadsden flag, also America's at one time, "Don't tread on me". It's supposed to have some kind of racist connotation.
The Gadsen flag is very popular among libertarians, and the "no step on snek" is often a joke version or used as mockery of libertarians, depending on context. Libertarians are probably best known for their absolutist position on individual liberty, even when doing so is a danger to the larger public. Seems relevant.

Given the context of a bunch of idiots assembling for a motorcycle rally during a respiratory disease outbreak, I'm assuming this is meant to mock the "personal freedom at all costs to society" types that are attracted to such things in the times of Covid.

The rainbow flag with the chevron is a newer design meant to include racial, trans, and other intersectional interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)

As usual, there is no indication that this relevant protest (naming the governor of SD in this absurdly dumb and dangerous rally) has anything to do with "antifa".
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The Gadsen flag is very popular among libertarians, and the "no step on snek" is often a joke version or used as mockery of libertarians, depending on context. Libertarians are probably best known for their absolutist position on individual liberty, even when doing so is a danger to the larger public. Seems relevant.

Given the context of a bunch of idiots assembling for a motorcycle rally during a respiratory disease outbreak, I'm assuming this is meant to mock the "personal freedom at all costs to society" types that are attracted to such things in the times of Covid.

The rainbow flag with the chevron is a newer design meant to include racial, trans, and other intersectional interests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)

As usual, there is no indication that this relevant protest (naming the governor of SD in this absurdly dumb and dangerous rally) has anything to do with "antifa".
Chevron is new to me. With all the rainbow flags in the neighborhood, and none chevron, can I assume that the LGBTs are racist, though not genderists?
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According to rt.live, South Dakota positive tests are spiking. Color me surprised.
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According to rt.live, South Dakota positive tests are spiking. Color me surprised.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...ases-8-states/
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A thread with some interesting analysis and graphs showing spikes in some of the Sturgis states:

https://twitter.com/39Magilla/status...208646144?s=20



Also the first death has been reported of the 260 linked cases so far

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"As the cases in Meade County continue to rise, the state said 118 positive tests in South Dakota are directly linked to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally."
Health officials link 118 positive COVID-19 cases in-state to Sturgis Motorcycle Rally (Kota TV, Sep. 4, 2020)

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Media reports last week showed that at least 12 states had reported cases connected to Sturgis. The number of people infected had surpassed 260, and the first known COVID-19 death from the event occurred in Minnesota last week.
Given that the 10-day rally drew some 400,000 people, those numbers may not sound that bad. But epidemiologists say the actual number is likely much higher. Limited contact-tracing ability in some states is artificially reducing the case numbers, they say. Plus, there was a strong thread of disdain in the crowd for testing and other safety measures.
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Worse yet, officials in South Dakota took a wild-west approach on the event that only emboldened participants not to wear masks, distance themselves or, better yet, just skip the trip for a year.
Predictably, COVID-19 cases start to emerge from motorcycle rally (Las Vegas Sun, Sep. 6, 2020)
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400,000 attendees, 200 cases in two weeks?

The country as a whole gets about 50,000 PER DAY.

I'll let somebody else do the math, but it looks to me that going to Sturgis might have been safer than staying home.
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400,000 attendees, 200 cases in two weeks?

The country as a whole gets about 50,000 PER DAY.

I'll let somebody else do the math, but it looks to me that going to Sturgis might have been safer than staying home.
About 50% of the national daily average, so far.
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400,000 attendees, 200 cases in two weeks?

The country as a whole gets about 50,000 PER DAY.

I'll let somebody else do the math, but it looks to me that going to Sturgis might have been safer than staying home.

What is it about, "But epidemiologists say the actual number is likely much higher. Limited contact-tracing ability in some states is artificially reducing the case numbers, they say," you don't understand?
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What is it about, "But epidemiologists say the actual number is likely much higher. Limited contact-tracing ability in some states is artificially reducing the case numbers, they say," you don't understand?
If contract tracing is limited then the 50,000 number should also likely be much higher - in which case the comparison holds true; unless you think that the people who went to Sturgess all happen to live in those states where there is limited contact tracing.
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https://twitter.com/jeremyfaust/stat...294149120?s=20

The Dakota's now lead the states in infected people per 100k
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If contract tracing is limited then the 50,000 number should also likely be much higher - in which case the comparison holds true; unless you think that the people who went to Sturgess all happen to live in those states where there is limited contact tracing.

There was also this, quoted in the same post: "Plus, there was a strong thread of [hilite]disdain in the crowd for testing and other safety measures."[/i]
You know, 'it's just the flu' and all that ...
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There was also this, quoted in the same post: "Plus, there was a strong thread of [hilite]disdain in the crowd for testing and other safety measures."[/i]
You know, 'it's just the flu' and all that ...
But the same holds true for the general population. And all we want to compare is the rate of Covid, Sturgis vs the whole country. Sounds like you want to compare apples that have been examined under a microscope against oranges.
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But the same holds true for the general population. And all we want to compare is the rate of Covid, Sturgis vs the whole country. Sounds like you want to compare apples that have been examined under a microscope against oranges.
Incoherent, try again? Not "the same" as more people have been seeking tests, we can't measure "the rate" except by comparison of all the places the self-selected group scattered to, are you asking for omniscience or something possible given unwilling subjects?
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Old 8th September 2020, 04:31 AM   #109
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
But the same holds true for the general population. And all we want to compare is the rate of Covid, Sturgis vs the whole country. Sounds like you want to compare apples that have been examined under a microscope against oranges.
here ya go, study is linked in the tweet by one of the authors:

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We estimate that over 250,000 of the reported cases between August 2 and September 2 are due to the Sturgis Rally. Roughly 19 percent of the national cases during this timeframe.
https://twitter.com/FriedsonAndrew/s...91878957862912

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We conclude that the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally generated public health costs of approximately $12.2 billion.
http://ftp.iza.org/dp13670.pdf
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Old 8th September 2020, 01:18 PM   #110
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
here ya go, study is linked in the tweet by one of the authors:



https://twitter.com/FriedsonAndrew/s...91878957862912



http://ftp.iza.org/dp13670.pdf
I didn't see the CDC graph that shows a 250k spike. Did I miss it?

eta: hers is a link to one. https://covidtracking.com/data Scroll down to the pink graph. Gee, if any connection at all, Sturgis caused a drop in new cases. Nah, no connection. no 250K new cases, no $13B in costs.


Oh no, wait, pedantic writing- "250k new cases due to the rally"? Ok. but they are in place of the 250k new cases that would have happened from other causes, net increase due to Sturgis, 0.
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Old 8th September 2020, 10:23 PM   #111
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From another thread:

Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Sturgis Motorcycle Rally Is Now Linked to More Than 250,000 Coronavirus Cases


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The inevitable fallout from last monthís Sturgis Motorcycle Rally, an annual event that packed nearly 500,000 people into a small town in South Dakota, is becoming clear, and the emerging picture is grim.

According to a new study, which tracked anonymized cellphone data from the rally, over 250,000 coronavirus cases have now been tied to the 10-day event, one of the largest to be held since the start of the pandemic. It drew motorcycle enthusiasts from around the country, many of whom were seen without face coverings inside crowded bars, restaurants, and other indoor establishments.
https://www.motherjones.com/coronavi...navirus-cases/


Called it, cheap Harleys in the autumn.
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Imagine dying of covid because you just had to see Smash Mouth. Inconceivable.
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Originally Posted by SuburbanTurkey View Post
here ya go, study is linked in the tweet by one of the authors:



https://twitter.com/FriedsonAndrew/s...91878957862912



http://ftp.iza.org/dp13670.pdf
Thank you and (OT) ftp? Wow....
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OT: I wonder if we can now use the number of cellphones at an event to count the attendance? Rallys, marches, demonstrations, inaugurations?
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OT: I wonder if we can now use the number of cellphones at an event to count the attendance? Rallys, marches, demonstrations, inaugurations?
That was tried, but the implants from the "flu vaccine" were found to be more reliable.
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Old 9th September 2020, 08:48 AM   #116
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Imagine dying of covid because you just had to see Smash Mouth. Inconceivable.
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Old 9th September 2020, 08:51 AM   #117
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
I didn't see the CDC graph that shows a 250k spike. Did I miss it?

eta: hers is a link to one. https://covidtracking.com/data Scroll down to the pink graph. Gee, if any connection at all, Sturgis caused a drop in new cases. Nah, no connection. no 250K new cases, no $13B in costs.


Oh no, wait, pedantic writing- "250k new cases due to the rally"? Ok. but they are in place of the 250k new cases that would have happened from other causes, net increase due to Sturgis, 0.
How exactly am I supposed to understand this post of yours?

Is it:

"Covid is a complete Hoax" ?

or

"Covid exists but is far less dangerous than everyone tries to make it" ?

or something else?

What is the purpose of a post like this? Do you deny that this disease is contagious and that a 10 day event would benefit the spread of this disease?

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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
Smash mouth might be responsible for more US deaths than Osama Bin Laden before this is all over.

Boomers on bikes, worse than 9/11.
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
Do you deny that this disease is contagious and that a 10 day event would benefit the spread of this disease?
That really neat webcomic someone linked here months ago that I can't find again, showing Trump ripping his shirt off to fight the virus, should now put the virus on a motorcycle.
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Originally Posted by RedStapler View Post
How exactly am I supposed to understand this post of yours?

Is it:

"Covid is a complete Hoax" ?

or

"Covid exists but is far less dangerous than everyone tries to make it" ?

or something else?

What is the purpose of a post like this? Do you deny that this disease is contagious and that a 10 day event would benefit the spread of this disease?
Read for literal comprehension instead of putting words in my mouth.

I merely pointed out that the gross statistics do not show 250,000 cases in excess of the curve. In fact the curve keeps sloping downward into September.
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