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Old 29th August 2020, 04:47 PM   #81
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By the way, have we covered off elephants in this thread yet? I think not.

I'm guessing that many people hold the belief that - since elephants are herbivores and since they are generally slow, docile animals, and in spite of their size and mass - they pose very low risk to humans. And that belief is probably amplified by things like seeing elephants in circuses (ughhhhhh, now thankfully stopped) and hearing of tourists in places like Thailand & India getting rides on elephants etc.

But elephants can snap, and have snapped on many occasions. Plus, on such occasions, I'd say it's fairly probable that the elephants truly are trying to seriously injure or kill those humans who are involved. Off the top of my head, I remember that circus elephant in Hawaii which killed its handler and then busted out of the circus and went on something of a rampage in nearby streets (it was, IIRC, eventually shot dead by police).

In addition, female elephants can get extremely violent when they're defending their new-born children. A close friend of my parents was living in Kenya around 25 years ago with her husband, and they took a short safari holiday in the wilderness outside of Nairobi. There was a group of high-end safari lodges right next to each other, and they had continuous monitoring of which wild animals were anywhere in the vacinity - both for safety's sake, and in order to be able to take guests to see these sorts of animals.

Anyhow, my parents' friend wanted to go out for an early-morning run on a short trekking route which encircled the lodges. She checked on the situation, and was told that everything was fine: there were no lions or leopards anywhere nearby - only a small herd of elephants. She was told that the elephants would pose her no problem, and even said she should count herself lucky if she saw them.

She set out, and around 10 mins into her run, she was suddenly confronted by a maternalistic elephant. She froze, but the elephant charged her, and gored her extremely severely with its tusks before kicking her into a thick gorse bush. She only just survived after being flown to hospital for extensive emergency surgery, and has significant health problems to this day.

(I know the story I've just recounted here involves a truly wild elephant rather than one that has been socialised or trained - but I still thought that it had some relevance here)
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Yeah, most predators have an incentive to avoid fights because getting any injury is a huge disadvantage. Most herd animals have an incentive to stomp first and ask questions never because getting eaten is an even bigger disadvantage.
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Old 1st September 2020, 01:53 PM   #83
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That said, hippopotami. Be afraid.
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Old 1st September 2020, 02:14 PM   #84
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White lions blow a-way

Just me?
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Old 1st September 2020, 03:07 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by LondonJohn View Post
By the way, have we covered off elephants in this thread yet? I think not.

I'm guessing that many people hold the belief that - since elephants are herbivores and since they are generally slow, docile animals, and in spite of their size and mass - they pose very low risk to humans. And that belief is probably amplified by things like seeing elephants in circuses (ughhhhhh, now thankfully stopped) and hearing of tourists in places like Thailand & India getting rides on elephants etc.

But elephants can snap, and have snapped on many occasions. Plus, on such occasions, I'd say it's fairly probable that the elephants truly are trying to seriously injure or kill those humans who are involved. Off the top of my head, I remember that circus elephant in Hawaii which killed its handler and then busted out of the circus and went on something of a rampage in nearby streets (it was, IIRC, eventually shot dead by police).

In addition, female elephants can get extremely violent when they're defending their new-born children. A close friend of my parents was living in Kenya around 25 years ago with her husband, and they took a short safari holiday in the wilderness outside of Nairobi. There was a group of high-end safari lodges right next to each other, and they had continuous monitoring of which wild animals were anywhere in the vacinity - both for safety's sake, and in order to be able to take guests to see these sorts of animals.

Anyhow, my parents' friend wanted to go out for an early-morning run on a short trekking route which encircled the lodges. She checked on the situation, and was told that everything was fine: there were no lions or leopards anywhere nearby - only a small herd of elephants. She was told that the elephants would pose her no problem, and even said she should count herself lucky if she saw them.

She set out, and around 10 mins into her run, she was suddenly confronted by a maternalistic elephant. She froze, but the elephant charged her, and gored her extremely severely with its tusks before kicking her into a thick gorse bush. She only just survived after being flown to hospital for extensive emergency surgery, and has significant health problems to this day.

(I know the story I've just recounted here involves a truly wild elephant rather than one that has been socialised or trained - but I still thought that it had some relevance here)
This matches my understanding too. Elephants are extraordinarily intelligent and can get moody or resentful as a result. If they get angry at you they don’t even have to trample or tusk you; they only need to get you between them and tree or a fence and lean hard... you become a squeezed toothpaste tube.

In contrast I’ve heard that big cats are more predicable being more purely instinct driven, making them more reliable to work with safely.

Oddly I hear ostrich are grumpy stupid animals that unpredictably will attack handlers with their large dangerous claws and can cause serious, serious damage.
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Old 1st September 2020, 03:16 PM   #86
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Originally Posted by Elagabalus View Post
That said, hippopotami. Be afraid.
Meh. Just put barbed wire around the tree trunks, they won't climb down over that.
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Old 1st September 2020, 05:57 PM   #87
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I remember when I was about 3 years old a friend and I climbed up to some small platform on a tree and when I turned around I saw some kind of bovid, probably a water buffalo, seemingly staring back.

Glad it wasn't a lion.
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I keep thinking the White Lion guy can now discuss matters with Roy Horn in the afterlife.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 11:08 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
I keep thinking the White Lion guy can now discuss matters with Roy Horn in the afterlife.
White Tiger was nowhere near as good as White Lion. Whitesnake was better than both.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 11:24 AM   #90
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
White Tiger was nowhere near as good as White Lion. Whitesnake was better than both.

Whitebait was perhaps the best and most menacing of all.


ETA: if there's a Whitesnake tribute band (and there's prob more than one out there), I think "Whitebait" would be an excellent name for it.

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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
I remember when I was about 3 years old a friend and I climbed up to some small platform on a tree and when I turned around I saw some kind of bovid, probably a water buffalo, seemingly staring back.

Glad it wasn't a lion.
How did a water buffalo get onto a platform in a tree?
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Originally Posted by Steve View Post
How did a water buffalo get onto a platform in a tree?
Before Uber existed there were things called "taxis".
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How did a water buffalo get onto a platform in a tree?
I wasn't clear but of course it was not on the tree but on the ground just below the stairs.
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I wasn't clear but of course it was not on the tree but on the ground just below the stairs.
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Before Uber existed there were things called "taxis".
Water buffalo carry no money coz they have no pockets.
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Water buffalo carry no money coz they have no pockets.
Great! Now I have to share my Uber ride with a marsupial!!
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Great! Now I have to share my Uber ride with a marsupial!!
Just make sure it’s not a wombat.
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Just make sure it’s not a wombat.
Never trust anything that craps cubes
Why do you think they call the game craps. . .
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Just make sure it’s not a wombat.
Never trust anything that craps cubes
I've been watching a lot of Star Trek recently, and now I have a vision of tremendously huge cybernetic wombat that the Borg made to poop out those ships of theirs. That's why they're shaped like that.
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But...... the pyramid-shaped ones?
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But...... the pyramid-shaped ones?
Pyramid-shaped butt? Never seen one of those, although I do look at the botched plastic surgery photos on Reddit so I'm sure one will come along eventually. Right now it's all giganto lips and horrific breast implants.
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Thread drift . From a dude being killed by wild animals to the shapes of poop. I love this place!
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Man who played with white lions is mauled to death by white lions
Like that idiot Tim Treadwell who was eaten by a "tame" grizzly bear. And there was that other idiot Joe Exotic with his tigers. And ......... Siegfried & Roy. They all were mauled or killed by their "tame" animals. Why is it always "sissy boys" who go in for that stuff?
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Like that idiot Tim Treadwell who was eaten by a "tame" grizzly bear. And there was that other idiot Joe Exotic with his tigers. And ......... Siegfried & Roy. They all were mauled or killed by their "tame" animals. Why is it always "sissy boys" who go in for that stuff?

Let's just note that Treadwell never thought the bears were tame or trained, just (stupidly) that they had accepted him as part of the landscape. "Joe Exotic" is in prison for murder and animal abuse, but there's no record of his animals attacking him. One of them did attack an employee. And it wasn't Siegried AND Roy who were attacked, just Roy, and there have always been questions about how it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Exotic
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Let's just note that Treadwell never thought the bears were tame or trained, just (stupidly) that they had accepted him as part of the landscape. "Joe Exotic" is in prison for murder and animal abuse, but there's no record of his animals attacking him. One of them did attack an employee. And it wasn't Siegried AND Roy who were attacked, just Roy, and there have always been questions about how it happened.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Treadwell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Exotic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siegfried_%26_Roy
It was polite of you not to address the homophobia. Well done.
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It was polite of you not to address the homophobia. Well done.
There is nothing homophobic in my reply. If I had said that the vast majority of automobile accidents involve red cars would you have insinuated that it was a colour-phobic comment?

EDIT: On second thought "sissy boy" isn't a good choice of words. You're right. Sorry. I didn't mean it to be that way.
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Not the adjective I would use
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There is nothing homophobic in my reply. If I had said that the vast majority of automobile accidents involve red cars would you have insinuated that it was a colour-phobic comment?

EDIT: On second thought "sissy boy" isn't a good choice of words. You're right. Sorry. I didn't mean it to be that way.

It still wouldn't perhaps have been appropriate to even suggest some form of causal relationship between a) being a homosexual man, and b) people who choose to (try to) socialise and train dangerous wild animals....

But anyhow. We can park that and move on.
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It still wouldn't perhaps have been appropriate to even suggest some form of causal relationship between a) being a homosexual man, and b) people who choose to (try to) socialise and train dangerous wild animals....
....

Let's just note that the premise is not only offensive, but false. Treadwell was killed with his girlfriend, who may actually have tried to help him.
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So pathologically playful, even if not necessarily gay?
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Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo View Post
There is nothing homophobic in my reply. If I had said that the vast majority of automobile accidents involve red cars would you have insinuated that it was a colour-phobic comment?

EDIT: On second thought "sissy boy" isn't a good choice of words. You're right. Sorry. I didn't mean it to be that way.
I'm trying to get the font code right here. Does bold and underline equate to scare quotes? Or is it more to indicate the one word that we should switch for an antonym?

Yes, it does read much more clearly that way. Sorry to have wasted your time with my momentary clarity.
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I'm trying to get the font code right here. Does bold and underline equate to scare quotes? Or is it more to indicate the one word that we should switch for an antonym?
Are you being serious? Does my use of quotation points, hyphens, and italics also confuse? My use of more than one in a single word must be excruciating.

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Yes, it does read much more clearly that way. Sorry to have wasted your time with my momentary clarity.
Amongst my circle of friends is a male gay couple. They publicly refer to one another as “sissy boy” which is clearly meant as a term of endearment. They often call me "liebling" or "schatz" and I take no hetero high-horse offense but regard it as their acceptance of me as a friend. In adition to them calling each other "sissy boy" I am also led to believe that black Americans often refer to one another in the “N- word” in the same way. What is the message here to us hetero-sexual white men? No, I don’t want to go into an in-depth discussion or debate it. I’m only saying that my exposure to the term “sissy boy” led me astray … according to PC tightrope-walking.

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Let's just note that the premise is not only offensive, but false. Treadwell was killed with his girlfriend, who may actually have tried to help him.
I have many friends who are male. Are they my “boyfriends”?

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It still wouldn't perhaps have been appropriate to even suggest some form of causal relationship between a) being a homosexual man, and b) people who choose to (try to) socialise and train dangerous wild animals.…
“Appropriate” has nothing to do with it. If I refer to sumo wrestlers as being fat would it be correct, incorrect, inappropriate?

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But anyhow. We can park that and move on.
A wise suggestion. Let us recognize a molehill for what it is.
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Are you being serious? Does my use of quotation points, hyphens, and italics also confuse? My use of more than one in a single word must be excruciating.
Trying to reconcile the emphasized word with the edit did leave me scratching my head.

Having given it due consideration, I will just have to rest assured that the remainder of your post has made that apparent contradiction perfectly clear.
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We can park that and move on.
Apparently I'm the only one who's taken your suggestion to heart.
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Originally Posted by Clutch Cargo View Post
Apparently I'm the only one who's taken your suggestion to heart.

Yeah. I can see how it's a nagging issue with some. But I'd prefer to put it down to an unfortunate choice of words - and just chalk it up to a certain level of misjudgement..... and draw a line under it.

My reasoning on this matter is bolstered by the fact that it was entirely peripheral - not only to the overall topic of this thread, but actually also to the point you were making in the very post in which the words were used. It was something of a throwaway coda to your post; the main meaning of your post would have stood on its own feet had those final few words not been added.

So yeah.... I'm not sure that it's all that helpful, educative or informative (or entertaining...) - to anyone - to continue chasing our tales over this choice of phrase and the associated supplementary clause to your original post. And it's most certainly not what could be considered on-topic for this thread. People can write whatever they like (within the MA of course), but my personal view is that it would be helpful to the thread if we moved away from this sideshow issue.
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Reading the most recent admonitions in this thread thread reminds me of the old saying that references "fight" and "empty room" when talking about some people.
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This is not about lions in the wild so it’s probably a derailment. But I’ll risk it because I think it is interesting. A zookeeper who routinely circulated unaccompanied with wolves (regarding them “as playful as Alsatians”) was mauled to death.


Zoological head: “No rule broken”

https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/5155370

District court: “Zoological head guilty”.

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artike...rtikel=6593605


It always stuns me how leadership often try to slip out from under their responsibility in a crisis.
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