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Old 6th September 2020, 12:11 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Like Putin's Russia perhaps?
I said not associated with...

No. Too infuriating to even joke about.
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Old 6th September 2020, 12:12 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by casebro View Post
You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?
Nope, rioting and looting are not terrorist acts, they are rioting and looting.

Terrorist acts are planned by organisations. They involve explosives or firearms and are aimed at indiscriminate random killing of as many people as possible.

BLM and Antifa are not organisations, they are civil rights movements, and like any movement, they have radical elements that the majority of the movement's followers do want among them.

In addition, a good deal of the rioting, looting and violence that has taken place at BLM protests have been anti-BLM "fifth columnists" infiltrating their ranks and stirring up trouble in order to give the movement a bad name, actions that have suckered people like you into believing BLM is all about violence.
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Old 6th September 2020, 12:51 PM   #43
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You can see the difference in the left and right with how we treat certain events.

Take violence: The Kenosha shooter has become a hero to the right. They defend his actions absolutely and without reservation. The Portland shooter on the other hand hasn't become a hero to the left.

I applauded that there was one less white supremacist on the streets, but we knew what he did was ultimately wrong and would just get him merc'd by the cops for killing one of their far-right buddies. Which is what happened.
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Old 6th September 2020, 01:41 PM   #44
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There are right wingers in this country who are perfectly happy with eliminating leftists in the streets. The "self defense and vigilance" aspect is little more than a smokescreen. We know the subtext. And they far outnumber rabid leftists who want the same the other way around.

We have a good sense of which is the greater evil right now.
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Old 6th September 2020, 03:58 PM   #45
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Nope, rioting and looting are not terrorist acts, they are rioting and looting.

Terrorist acts are planned by organisations. They involve explosives or firearms and are aimed at indiscriminate random killing of as many people as possible.

BLM and Antifa are not organisations, they are civil rights movements, and like any movement, they have radical elements that the majority of the movement's followers do want among them.
Well, BLM is a loose network of local groups, all of whom actively oppose "rioting and looting" to use the same term bigots have been screeching since BLM bodily protected stores in Ferguson back in 2015. You'll generally find them doing that, as well as providing aid and cleanup when things have calmed. "Antifa" is just "whoever thinks fascists should be opposed using the best means at one's disposal". Either way, it's rather absurd to claim that either "group" is "rioting and looting".

Unlike the police, who more often than not openly instigate violence, and MAGAts/white supremacists, who openly plan and execute violent attacks against both demonstrators, random civilians, and quite often the police (see: Ted Cruz repeatedly sobbing over how democrats "refused" to discuss a cop that was killed by a Boogaloo idiot in a hearing on left-wing protests).

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Originally Posted by Boudicca90 View Post
You can see the difference in the left and right with how we treat certain events.

Take violence: The Kenosha shooter has become a hero to the right. They defend his actions absolutely and without reservation. The Portland shooter on the other hand hasn't become a hero to the left.

I applauded that there was one less white supremacist on the streets, but we knew what he did was ultimately wrong and would just get him merc'd by the cops for killing one of their far-right buddies. Which is what happened.
Hasn't become a hero for the left? Are you high? Have you been reading any posts here?
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Hasn't become a hero for the left? Are you high? Have you been reading any posts here?
Not having a problem with what he did isn't the same as actively cheering him on.

He killed a fascist, and I thank him for that, but what he did was still illegal and gave the cops ample justification to take him out. Compared to the right, who similarly applaud Rittenhouse's killings, but think he was justified in it and should get off scott-free.

He has become an icon to the right.
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Old 6th September 2020, 05:58 PM   #48
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White supremacists a clearly the biggest threat but that doesn't mean there is zero threat from leftist extremists, they are just fewer and farer between. Recently, members of Boogaloo Bois were charged wtih attempting to support Hamas. They attended George Floyds protests and hoped to commit violence against police officers and "overthrowing the government and replacing its police forces" and wanted to raid the headquarters of a white supremacist organization. The far left and far-right not only share tactics but sometimes even their goals can overlap. Boogaloos do not seem to have any sort of coherent ideology, but generally described as far-right. They are most certainly a terrorist threat.
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What/who is the Kenosha shooter?

Sorry. Hard to keep up with the US
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Re: OP. It's a sad state of affairs when the biggest threat to your nation is associated with the ruling party.

Can't we be like the other countries that have external arch enemies?
We have always been at war with East Anglia.
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What/who is the Kenosha shooter?

Sorry. Hard to keep up with the US
The too long didn't google version? A 17 year old kid that showed up to a protest with an assault weapon who liked to LARP as a cop and ended up shooting 3 protesters. He's become a hero of the right and his legal defense has raised $700K. Some argue that the shootings were in self-defense but to me, showing up to a protest with a gun and role-playing as cop was the problem even if it actually was self-defense (and I'm not making the case that it was)
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Originally Posted by portlandatheist View Post
The too long didn't google version? A 17 year old kid that showed up to a protest with an assault weapon who liked to LARP as a cop and ended up shooting 3 protesters. He's become a hero of the right and his legal defense has raised $700K. Some argue that the shootings were in self-defense but to me, showing up to a protest with a gun and role-playing as cop was the problem even if it actually was self-defense (and I'm not making the case that it was)
Just looking at a photo he looks like a proper nutter.
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Originally Posted by cullennz View Post
Just looking at a photo he looks like a proper nutter.

I think "right nutter" is probably a more appropriate term!
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White supremacists a clearly the biggest threat but that doesn't mean there is zero threat from leftist extremists, they are just fewer and farer between. Recently, members of Boogaloo Bois were charged wtih attempting to support Hamas. They attended George Floyds protests and hoped to commit violence against police officers and "overthrowing the government and replacing its police forces" and wanted to raid the headquarters of a white supremacist organization. The far left and far-right not only share tactics but sometimes even their goals can overlap. Boogaloos do not seem to have any sort of coherent ideology, but generally described as far-right. They are most certainly a terrorist threat.
Uh, that is the far-right allying themselves with the far-right of another religion. Unless you are trying to place Islamic fundamentalists on the left now, which is ridiculous.

And "Both sides bad" was bull when Trump said it, and it still is. Trying to equate the two just shows where you stand.
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Uh, that is the far-right allying themselves with the far-right of another religion. Unless you are trying to place Islamic fundamentalists on the left now, which is ridiculous.

And "Both sides bad" was bull when Trump said it, and it still is. Trying to equate the two just shows where you stand.
I guess I'm a bit of an oddball, I'm anti-terrorism regardless of the ideology behind it.
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Not all those 63 million, but a substantial portion of them.

And all the rest might not be racist themselves, but they don't have a problem with Trump's racism, which makes them almost as bad.
This is dangerously close to "labeling" - a tactic often used to silence and marginalize dissenters, It is akin to saying "if you don't support intrusive government surveillance then you support kiddie porn".

There could be any number of reasons why a voter doesn't want a Democrat in the White House. Some voters might believe that ultimately, Democrats won't make a difference so other issues take place. Others might believe that Democrats would bring in such oppressive legislation in support of BLM that they must be stopped at all costs.

Americans might have a habit of putting up Hobson's choices in the Presidential election but that doesn't make somebody a <insert label> just because they vote for one and not the other. It also doesn't make them "almost as bad".
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Sometimes Islamists tend to colonize the territory they live in, rather than assimilate. Their religion is also a governmental system which calls for converting 'infidels', and holding them in contempt if they decline, or killing them.

In a non-islamic host culture, what do you call it when a host culture citizen peacefully protests the colonization behavior because of those facts, and also because islam has its own separate laws and legal practices separate from the host nation.?

What do you call it if that same citizen snaps and shoots up a mosque for the same reasons, and evidence shows the citizen is not any kind of racist or supremacist ?
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You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?

Are you talking about rioting and looting done by white supremacists like the Umbrella Man while antifas are trying to prevent it?

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The too long didn't google version? A 17 year old kid that showed up to a protest with an assault weapon who liked to LARP as a cop and ended up shooting 3 protesters.
Please don't refer to what he was doing as LARPing. Genuine LARPers like myself have and want absolutely nothing to do with that, and you're tagging an entire hobby with a vile association. Please stop.
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You don't consider rioting and looting terrorist acts?
Do you? Why do you think the majority of people doesn't seem to share that view? Why do you think the news don't report "terrorist attacks" when riots occur somewhere?
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He killed a fascist, and I thank him for that...
Wow. Way to add to polarization and give fuel to the trumpkins .
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This is dangerously close to "labeling" - a tactic often used to silence and marginalize dissenters, It is akin to saying "if you don't support intrusive government surveillance then you support kiddie porn".

There could be any number of reasons why a voter doesn't want a Democrat in the White House. Some voters might believe that ultimately, Democrats won't make a difference so other issues take place. Others might believe that Democrats would bring in such oppressive legislation in support of BLM that they must be stopped at all costs.

Americans might have a habit of putting up Hobson's choices in the Presidential election but that doesn't make somebody a <insert label> just because they vote for one and not the other. It also doesn't make them "almost as bad".
In an ordinary election you'd have a point.

But by now, it's clear that if you still support Trump, you're either wilfully ignorant (in which case you're a fool) or you're happy with someone who's treasonous acts include telling the CIA to share intelligence with a hostile power that he knew was paying a bounty for dead US troops. Someone who promotes QAnon conspiracy theories. Someone who is unable to distinguish truth from falsehood. Someone who's working to dismantle as many constitutional checks as possible. Someone who tried interdicting medical supplies to blue states for political gain.

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Back to the OP. I'd say Antifa and BLM are the "Top Terror Threats". Unless they mean they are not threats if they are actually doing terror?
Do you think that BLM has a point?

Given the existence of police departments with officers getting celebratory tattoos when they kill someone? Or almost any of the examples in the "behaviour of US Cops" thread?
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Please don't refer to what he was doing as LARPing. Genuine LARPers like myself have and want absolutely nothing to do with that, and you're tagging an entire hobby with a vile association. Please stop.
I do not mean you any disrespect. We have a situation where there are many cops who have no business being cops and also members of the public who have even less business role-playing and acting as cops. I guess vigilantes or militias may be a better word choice.
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Wow. Way to add to polarization and give fuel to the trumpkins .
Meh, I stopped caring what they think of me a long time ago.

Trump and his supporters are a threat to myself and to our country, and as far as i'm concerned, my Oath of Enlistment is still valid.

Their mistake is thinking we are pushovers.
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Do you? Why do you think the majority of people doesn't seem to share that view? Why do you think the news don't report "terrorist attacks" when riots occur somewhere?
Because, to the news media, rioting (and looting) fall under the umbrella of "peaceful protests."
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In an ordinary election you'd have a point.

But by now, it's clear that if you still support Trump, you're either wilfully ignorant (in which case you're a fool) or you're happy with someone who's treasonous acts include telling the CIA to share intelligence with a hostile power that he knew was paying a bounty for dead US troops. Someone who promotes QAnon conspiracy theories. Someone who is unable to distinguish truth from falsehood. Someone who's working to dismantle as many constitutional checks as possible. Someone who tried interdicting medical supplies to blue states for political gain.

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Sorry to interject as a non-US single-post drop-in, but as a genuine point: have you considered the phenomenon of low-information voters?

In the UK there is a constant issue - from all sides of the political debate - where politicians, political commentators, and other informed observers, mistakenly believe that effectively the whole electorate is as informed as they are about the political landscape. And because of this false belief, they are led in turn to believe that the electorate will make the sort of fully-informed rational choices which they themselves regard almost as "no-brainers".

On the contrary: there is a significant proportion of the electorate - perhaps even a majority (it's difficult to measure accurately) who are either wholly or substantially ignorant of the political landscape, or who think they know the landscape but in fact do not. I guarantee that I could stand outside my local shopping precinct and quiz random passers-by on political matters, and most of them wouldn't even know who the UK's Chancellor (finance minister) or Foreign Secretary was, let alone what each major party's policy on health or education was.
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I do not mean you any disrespect. We have a situation where there are many cops who have no business being cops and also members of the public who have even less business role-playing and acting as cops. I guess vigilantes or militias may be a better word choice.
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In an ordinary election you'd have a point.

But by now, it's clear that if you still support Trump, you're either wilfully ignorant (in which case you're a fool) or you're happy with someone who's treasonous acts include telling the CIA to share intelligence with a hostile power that he knew was paying a bounty for dead US troops. Someone who promotes QAnon conspiracy theories. Someone who is unable to distinguish truth from falsehood. Someone who's working to dismantle as many constitutional checks as possible. Someone who tried interdicting medical supplies to blue states for political gain.

There is no reason for voting for Trump that isn't bad

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That has nothing to do with labeling anybody who wouldn't vote for that other old fogey a "racist".
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
That has nothing to do with labeling anybody who wouldn't vote for that other old fogey a "racist".
I find it fascinating that "racist" is considered such an unacceptable descriptor: it is the commie it seems.

We know from studies that everyone has biases, including racial ones. So everyone is a a racist to some degree or another.


The actual debate is: when you see racist behavior in action, how willing are you to support or oppose it?

My beef with Trump-supporters is not that they are racists, but that they are very tolerant of racists.

At some point, supporting and covering for racists makes you a racists, simply because of your need to emphasize with the person you support.
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Old 7th September 2020, 10:11 PM   #71
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I find it fascinating that "racist" is considered such an unacceptable descriptor: it is the commie it seems.

We know from studies that everyone has biases, including racial ones. So everyone is a a racist to some degree or another.


The actual debate is: when you see racist behavior in action, how willing are you to support or oppose it?

My beef with Trump-supporters is not that they are racists, but that they are very tolerant of racists.

At some point, supporting and covering for racists makes you a racists, simply because of your need to emphasize with the person you support.
Tbf this only works as a theory if the oppo' is good enough to cause normally US Republican voters to switch from their norm.

And frankly looking from the outside it is pushing it to see this happening.

Orange racist sexist old dude who is with the party you normally vote for

Or even more ancient sleazy racist old dude as the other option.
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Old 8th September 2020, 12:03 AM   #72
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I find it fascinating that "racist" is considered such an unacceptable descriptor: it is the commie it seems.
That is precisely the intention of those who use the term.

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
The actual debate is: when you see racist behavior in action, how willing are you to support or oppose it?
I was behind BLM all the way until they started making it all about statues. They allowed the looney left to turn a serious issue (racially motivated cop violence) into a joke.

Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
My beef with Trump-supporters is not that they are racists, but that they are very tolerant of racists.

At some point, supporting and covering for racists makes you a racists, simply because of your need to emphasize with the person you support.
You yourself are now using "racist" as a "commie" label.

Its use this way is classic politician's logic"

- Racists vote for Trump
- Person X votes for Trump.
- Therefore Person X is a racist.

(As used in Yes Prime Minister)
- Something needs to be done
- This is something
- Therefore we need to do it.

(Logical Structure)
- All cats have 4 legs
- My dog has 4 legs
- Therefore my dog is a cat.
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Old 8th September 2020, 12:49 AM   #73
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People can have more than one attribute.
People can be racist but not act in any racist way.
People can also be anti-racist but ignorant of the racist effects of their actions.

And people can support racist policies because it benefits them personally, not because of any prejudice or animosity.

The later case is possibly the most widespread in right-wing politics, not just in the US but globally.
The reason being that when the percentage of a minority in the population increases, the percentage the majority holds decreases, even if the total size of the pie increases for everyone.
Privileged people lose out when privileges are eroded, because their First-mover advantage is only temporary, and not permanent as they thought it was or should be.
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Historically, it US has always been racist: the only way for a new minority to be accepted into the mainstream was for them to **** on the next wave of immigrants together with the majority.
US Border Patrols have traditionally been composed of immigrants who, in return for being allowed to stay, prevent other from coming in.
Current legal migration into the US is possibly the most difficult in all of the Western world.

At the core, the US is a White Supremacist Country, it is only that, with each wave of immigration, the "White" has become more and more mixed-colored.
But there is also an "other" that isn't yet part of what makes a "real" American.


None of that takes away from the awesome progress that has been made in the US and elsewhere for more equality and well-being.
Clearly, this cycle of racism and acceptance is one way societies can advance. But it would be disingenuous to claim that it isn't there.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
That is precisely the intention of those who use the term.


I was behind BLM all the way until they started making it all about statues. They allowed the looney left to turn a serious issue (racially motivated cop violence) into a joke.
This never happened. BLM did not, at any point, focus on them, despite the fact that they're obviously meant to symbolize white supremacy, but it's not their job to tell white kids not to pull Confederate statues over. Much like they didn't ask Twitter, or any other corporation, to show sym[athy - everyone knows that they're doing it for money.

Well, everyone except the people who burned their shoes and threw their razors into their toilets over Youtube commercials, anyway.

However, they're not actually focused on that, they're focused on the US legal system, so they let it slide.

Quote:
You yourself are now using "racist" as a "commie" label.

Its use this way is classic politician's logic"

- Racists vote for Trump
- Person X votes for Trump.
- Therefore Person X is a racist.

(As used in Yes Prime Minister)
- Something needs to be done
- This is something
- Therefore we need to do it.

(Logical Structure)
- All cats have 4 legs
- My dog has 4 legs
- Therefore my dog is a cat.
The problem is that Dolt 45 isn't a politician who, incidentally, has a few racist ideas He's a white supremacist to the point of holding that only white people can be true Americans (thus birtherism, his screeching that four nonwhite US citizens "go back to where they came from, his insistance that US Jews be loyal to Israel and Netanyahu in particular, etc.), who made oppressing nonwhite people the central goal of his administration, and very deliberately promised to do exactly this when campaigning. That's why it's no shock that he's paying for concentration camps for Hispanic immigrants, or banning Muslims, as examples.

(And frankly, this was the first and only major part of his platform that he has acted on. Remember his Healthcare "plan" which comprised of "Good, Cheap, Now"? Yeah...that sure collapsed quickly.)

If you voted for Cheeto Benito, you voted for a person who promised, first and foremost, to inflict as much harm on nonwhite people as he could get away with, and to stack the courts with lunatic judges who would do the same. And yes, this makes you a racist, just as you would be if you voted for George Wallace or David Duke.

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Sorry to interject as a non-US single-post drop-in, but as a genuine point: have you considered the phenomenon of low-information voters?

In the UK there is a constant issue - from all sides of the political debate - where politicians, political commentators, and other informed observers, mistakenly believe that effectively the whole electorate is as informed as they are about the political landscape. And because of this false belief, they are led in turn to believe that the electorate will make the sort of fully-informed rational choices which they themselves regard almost as "no-brainers".

On the contrary: there is a significant proportion of the electorate - perhaps even a majority (it's difficult to measure accurately) who are either wholly or substantially ignorant of the political landscape, or who think they know the landscape but in fact do not. I guarantee that I could stand outside my local shopping precinct and quiz random passers-by on political matters, and most of them wouldn't even know who the UK's Chancellor (finance minister) or Foreign Secretary was, let alone what each major party's policy on health or education was.
Sadly you're right, but I covered that, with the "wilfully ignorant" and "fool" comment.
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Originally Posted by psionl0 View Post
I was behind BLM all the way until they started making it all about statues. They allowed the looney left to turn a serious issue (racially motivated cop violence) into a joke.


It's not about statues and never were.

Are you behind BLM now that it's most certainly not about statues?
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The problem is that Dolt 45 isn't a politician who, incidentally, has a few racist ideas He's a white supremacist to the point of holding that only white people can be true Americans (thus birtherism, his screeching that four nonwhite US citizens "go back to where they came from, his insistance that US Jews be loyal to Israel and Netanyahu in particular, etc.), who made oppressing nonwhite people the central goal of his administration, and very deliberately promised to do exactly this when campaigning. That's why it's no shock that he's paying for concentration camps for Hispanic immigrants, or banning Muslims, as examples.

(And frankly, this was the first and only major part of his platform that he has acted on. Remember his Healthcare "plan" which comprised of "Good, Cheap, Now"? Yeah...that sure collapsed quickly.)

If you voted for Cheeto Benito, you voted for a person who promised, first and foremost, to inflict as much harm on nonwhite people as he could get away with, and to stack the courts with lunatic judges who would do the same. And yes, this makes you a racist, just as you would be if you voted for George Wallace or David Duke.
I agree that anybody who votes for such a blatant racist with oppressive policies to match is probably a racist themself or, at least, is willing to tolerate such policies because the candidate has something else to offer.

However, this was in reference to Donald Trump who AFAIK is not advocating for such extremist policies. (He is either too stupid to think of them or barely smart enough to know that they would cost him votes).
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Meh, I stopped caring what they think of me a long time ago.

Trump and his supporters are a threat to myself and to our country, and as far as i'm concerned, my Oath of Enlistment is still valid.

Their mistake is thinking we are pushovers.
Ignore list, then .

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Because, to the news media, rioting (and looting) fall under the umbrella of "peaceful protests."
I guess I shouldn't have expected a serious answer.
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Sadly you're right, but I covered that, with the "wilfully ignorant" and "fool" comment.

But that depends on whether you categorise people who are not sufficiently informed about politics "wilfully ignorant" or "foolish".

To you and I maybe, it's difficult to understand why one would not want to inform oneself about politics in order to be able to make better decisions at the ballot box. But I do think it's mistaken (and perhaps even patronising) to assume that those who are not in the same position as us have either taken the conscious decision not to become informed, or are intrinsically stupid.

Instead, I'd suggest that a better approach would be to try to understand the deeper systemic reasons why so many people are so ill-informed about politics. I suggest it's because many people either don't feel that political knowledge/analysis is of relevance to them; or they find it boring; or they are disillusioned with politics and politicians in general; or they are primarily influenced by soundbites, dog whistles and image (rather than the details of policies); or they think they already have sound reasons for voting (or abstaining) the way they do.

And - somewhat paradoxically - I think that part of the problem here is that politicians and political reporters (and the media in general) have not tried to answer those questions. Rather, they appear to believe that the solution is to air plenty of political discussion, debate and analysis - somehow assuming that the "if you build it, they will come" approach will lead to improved voter education. But it won't (because it doesn't answer the questions I posed above).
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