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Old 5th April 2021, 01:23 AM   #2481
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There needs to be a careful investigation of these horrible murders. There were no 1000 inculpatory pieces of evidence which were admissible in court under the Federal Rules of Evidence, apart from the stuff which was made up and the jumping to conclusions stuff. The so-called retesting of the urine stain and exculpatory blonde synthetic saran fiber and black wool fibers on the murder weapon and Colette's mouth with no known source were never mentioned at the trial because it was illegally withheld by the prosecution. The DNA testing was not profound enough, or honest. It was just manipulated to dupe a jury with this hair junk science. No blood was tested for a start.
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Old 5th April 2021, 01:35 AM   #2482
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Totally Fake Post

There is no basis in fact or evidence for the previous post.

The “illuminator” could get a gig on Fox News.
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Old 5th April 2021, 10:23 AM   #2483
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Originally Posted by GiSEQ View Post
There is no basis in fact or evidence for the previous post.

The “illuminator” could get a gig on Fox News.
That's not right. What actually happens in real life and which happened in the MacDonald murders case is explained at this website:

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...e-convictions/

"Police often share their suspicions regarding suspects with lab workers before forensic examinations are performed. This has been shown to prejudice lab personnel in areas as diverse as fingerprint examination and chemical testing for accelerants in arson investigations. Further, some lab examiners feel they are part of the prosecution team, helping the police and prosecutors convict suspects regardless of the results of forensic testing. In such cases, forensic experts and other lab personnel may lie about test results, be misleading about the reliability of their methods, and/or cover up test outcomes when they are beneficial to the defendant."

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Old 5th April 2021, 04:56 PM   #2484
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
That's not right. What actually happens in real life and which happened in the MacDonald murders case is explained at this website:

https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news...e-convictions/

"Police often share their suspicions regarding suspects with lab workers before forensic examinations are performed. This has been shown to prejudice lab personnel in areas as diverse as fingerprint examination and chemical testing for accelerants in arson investigations. Further, some lab examiners feel they are part of the prosecution team, helping the police and prosecutors convict suspects regardless of the results of forensic testing. In such cases, forensic experts and other lab personnel may lie about test results, be misleading about the reliability of their methods, and/or cover up test outcomes when they are beneficial to the defendant."
You can keep on running the day to day operations at MacFantasy Island whereas I will embrace the following evidence that led to inmate's conviction at trial and his 8 post-conviction losses in the appellate courts.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/html/guilt.html
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Old 6th April 2021, 01:05 AM   #2485
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There is no firm evidence that MacDonald did it and the corruptly biased judges don't want to admit it. Judge Fox did everything possible to delay and prevent any DNA testing of the MacDonald case blood evidence:

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Old 6th April 2021, 01:11 AM   #2486
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This is what acDonald thinks about the DNA testing and it's true:

"So Silvergate and MacDonald’s other lawyers added it to their 1997 motion, asking for DNA testing on all the evidence in the case, comprising hundreds of exhibits. Prosecutors opposed the motion, and U.S. District Judge James Fox ultimately granted testing on just 27 exhibits.

“Now, if they think I’m guilty, why aren’t we being given the right to DNA test every blood exhibit?” asks MacDonald. “What are they afraid of?”

When the testing still hadn’t been initiated two years later, Barry Scheck, co-founder of The Innocence Project, joined in the lobbying for it.

Even then, it took almost ten years for the DNA test results to come back."
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Old 6th April 2021, 01:17 AM   #2487
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This is the source of that article about acDonald case DNA:

https://people.com/crime/why-wasnt-d...acdonald-case/
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Old 6th April 2021, 11:42 AM   #2488
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Originally Posted by Henri McPhee View Post
This is the source of that article about acDonald case DNA:

https://people.com/crime/why-wasnt-d...acdonald-case/
For the past 18 years, your main sources have been advocacy pieces that are short on fact, and long on hyperbole. For example, the author of the People magazine article pitched the MacDonald Is Innocent idea to her bosses for several years, but similar to Errol Morris, she didn't get the project greenlighted until she was able to con someone in power. Her coverage of the DNA test results was one of many reasons why her advocacy piece was a complete mess. Little of the following information was presented in the PM article.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/h..._evidence.html

She also left out the FACT that inmate and several of his advocates, argued that Greg Mitchell was the source of the broken, bloody limb hair found clutched in Colette's left hand. Inmate and several of his advocates also predicted that the limb hair would match Mitchell's DNA profile. In 1999, Fred Bost told me that this limb hair was THE most important DNA exhibit in this case and that he was confident that it would be sourced to Mitchell. In 2006, the AFIP concluded that this broken, bloody limb hair matched the DNA profile of Jeffrey MacDonald. Considering that a splinter from the club was also found in Colette's left hand, the AFIP's DNA test results proved that inmate wielded that club and that Colette tore a hair from her husband's left arm.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/h...ions_bost.html

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Old 6th April 2021, 01:10 PM   #2489
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This thread was started in 2012 and has run 156 pages. I dropped in to see if there was anything new happening and I see this exchange:

Henri McPhee - There is no firm evidence that MacDonald did it...
JTF - https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/h..._evidence.html

Perhaps we've gotten to the point where there isn't anything more to say.
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Old 6th April 2021, 03:44 PM   #2490
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Originally Posted by Jungle Jim View Post
This thread was started in 2012 and has run 156 pages. I dropped in to see if there was anything new happening and I see this exchange:

Henri McPhee - There is no firm evidence that MacDonald did it...
JTF - https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/h..._evidence.html

Perhaps we've gotten to the point where there isn't anything more to say.
The following is a link to an article on inmate's latest con job.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/notori...fusing-vaccine
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Old 7th April 2021, 09:08 AM   #2491
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Originally Posted by Jungle Jim View Post
This thread was started in 2012 and has run 156 pages. I dropped in to see if there was anything new happening and I see this exchange:

Henri McPhee - There is no firm evidence that MacDonald did it...
JTF - https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com/h..._evidence.html

Perhaps we've gotten to the point where there isn't anything more to say.
That's just opinions. Under the Federal Rules of Evidence a court must take into consideration nothing but the evidence in the case before it, and witnesses other than experts must not be allowed to give their opinions, but must speak only as to facts. That does not include emotion or ridiculous indignation or corrupt bias.

This is the opinion of REAL experts about the forensics in the MacDonald case:

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_ma...p_ferrari.html

"Again, the entire investigation seemed to be very poorly planned, very poorly presented to the Institute. The Institute could only work with what it had.
Q From your experience as a police officer, did you believe that the investigation had been done in a professional manner for a case of this import?
A Based on my professional experience of 25 years plus in various capacities in civilian law enforcement, I would have to say that the nature of the investigation, the method in which the investigation was conducted, the procedures that were followed left quite a bit to be desired.
Q Were there any pieces of forensic evidence that you reviewed with Dr. Mathews that in any way showed or could be argued that it linked Dr. MacDonald to these killings?
A No. I don't remember -- oh, I am certain there was no such physical evidence that was presented to us for examination.
Q And in the final exit meeting where Dr. Froede spoke in summarizing the findings of the AFIP, was there any statement made that there was certain evidence which links Dr. MacDonald to these killings or which showed that he was involved in these killings?
A No. On the contrary, Dr. Froede, if anything, helped all of us to believe on the basis of what was presented, there was no way they could implicate or connect Dr. MacDonald with the homicides that occurred at Fort Bragg. In fact, Dr. Froede was or appeared to be assured on the basis of what he really had at his disposal to reach a conclusion.
He would not commit himself, but he did say this, on the basis of what he had, there were no way that the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology would return a report indicating that, any implication of Dr. MacDonald."

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Old 8th April 2021, 04:26 AM   #2492
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It’s the evidence, stupid!

Unfortunately for McMurderer and his clueless followers, it’s 50 years of overwhelming evidence & experts presented in court that led to his conviction.

Also his clueless followers don’t get to pick who the real experts are (it seems they wouldn’t know one if they fell over one.
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Old 8th April 2021, 08:37 AM   #2493
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Unfortunately for McMurderer and his clueless followers, it’s 50 years of overwhelming evidence & experts presented in court that led to his conviction.

Also his clueless followers don’t get to pick who the real experts are (it seems they wouldn’t know one if they fell over one.
Do you honestly think think MacDonald should have been put in the electric chair because as Murtagh said in court Stombaugh only said it could be and the same with the hairs and threads? It's quite ludicrously unsatisfactory evidence. It's the same with Laber the so-called scientific expert who said MacDonald was guilty because of the pajama pocket. It's a theory without facts. You search for the truth in a murder investigation and INVESTIGATE. You don't just assume as the Army CID and FBI and North Carolina judges did in the MacDonald case.

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Old 8th April 2021, 09:13 AM   #2494
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There is a sensible opinion about Laber and his blood evidence on the internet. Personally. I believe that there was so much contamination at the crime scene that any blood on the pajama pocket proves nothing anyway:

https://jbrwdi.forumotion.com/t2249-...ually-innocent

"they are assuming there were no intruders then reconstructed the crime based on this assumption.

an intruder would have one of 4 blood types, so this assumption is unwarranted even by 1970 standards.

an intruder say with blood type A or B or AB or O and then bleeds, leaves behind his blood but it would match one of the 4 victims.

so since this assumption is one that cannot be made, this crime scene reconstruction is highly problematic, as an intruder bleeding any of blood types A B or AB or O would be misidentified as coming from the 4 victims."

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Old 8th April 2021, 06:28 PM   #2495
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Fake Alert

More BS plucked randomly from the internet.

Please disregard and read the truth in the actual court transcripts.

50 years on and he’s still in a cage - guilty, guilty, guilty!
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Old 9th April 2021, 02:51 PM   #2496
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COMPASSIONATE RELEASE DENIED TODAY

Jeffrey MacDonald's request for a compassionate release was denied today
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Old 9th April 2021, 03:00 PM   #2497
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Smile Justice prevails

Great news, thanks for posting.
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Old 10th April 2021, 01:10 AM   #2498
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The judges in America are not judicially minded. There is a memo on the internet from June 1973 in which a dour Irishman from the Justice Department, or Injustice Department as it is sometimes known called McNamara, says he is convinced MacDonald brutally murdered his family. He does mention the Government weaknesses in the case. The trouble is there is no supporting evidence:

"There will, no doubt, be an effort to impeach all witnesses of the Army Criminal Investigation Division and to some degree the efforts of the prosecutors themselves as being over-zealous and eager to almost go to the extent of fabricating evidence in order to crucify Jeffrey R. MacDonald."

http://www.crimearchives.net/1979_ma...mara_memo.html

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Old 10th April 2021, 01:19 AM   #2499
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Great news, thanks for posting.
That's bad news but what do you expect from North Carolina judges? They couldn't get a barking dog nuisance case or electronic bugging case right.
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Jeffrey MacDonald's request for a compassionate release was denied today
The denial of inmate's request for a compassionate release makes him a laughable 0 for 10 in the legal system. He got his butt kicked at every level (e.g., District Court, Circuit Court, USSC, Grand Jury, Jury Trial, Parole Board, Court of Public Opinion), yet I'm convinced he will attempt at least 1 more end run around a system that began to see through his con job in late 1974.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com

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Old 12th April 2021, 08:10 AM   #2501
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If anyone would like a copy of Judge Boyle's order, please send me a PM with your email address.
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Old 12th April 2021, 08:33 AM   #2502
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Personally, I never held out much hope that MacDonald would get any compassionate release from any North Carolina judge. Judge Fox was always cruel and callous towards MacDonald appeals. He used to issue his denials of MacDonald appeals, and probably other innocent people, around Christmas time at the season of good will when other people, and People Magazine, had their minds on other things.

I don't know if the low opinion and lack of discipline of the police and gross miscarriages of justice by the judges in America will eventually lead to civil war, but there is certainly a lack of a healthy public opinion in America. It's the same with the Assange case in the UK. You can't just disregard international law forever.

The court of public opinion and the Press got it wrong in the JonBenet Ramsey case, and even the Madeleine McCann case, and in the MacDonald murders case.

There is a bit about this sort of thing in that English Justice book published in 1932 by an anonymous police court solicitor:

"When one considers the immense number of cases heard, the innumerable mistakes which must necessarily be made, and the effect of those unremedied mistakes, it is obvious that the present state of things is wrong."

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Personally, I never held out much hope that MacDonald would get any compassionate release from any North Carolina judge. Judge Fox was always cruel and callous towards MacDonald appeals. He used to issue his denials of MacDonald appeals, and probably other innocent people, around Christmas time at the season of good will when other people, and People Magazine, had their minds on other things.

I don't know if the low opinion and lack of discipline of the police and gross miscarriages of justice by the judges in America will eventually lead to civil war, but there is certainly a lack of a healthy public opinion in America. It's the same with the Assange case in the UK. You can't just disregard international law forever.

The court of public opinion and the Press got it wrong in the JonBenet Ramsey case, and even the Madeleine McCann case, and in the MacDonald murders case.

There is a bit about this sort of thing in that English Justice book published in 1932 by an anonymous police court solicitor:

"When one considers the immense number of cases heard, the innumerable mistakes which must necessarily be made, and the effect of those unremedied mistakes, it is obvious that the present state of things is wrong."
You can continue to run the daily operations of MacFantasy Island, but the documented record ain't going anywhere. Again, inmate is 0 for 10 in his attempts to wash away the evidence that forever casts him as one of the most infamous family annihilators of the 20th century.

https://www.macdonaldcasefacts.com
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