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Old 5th June 2019, 06:57 PM   #1321
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2:178 O ye who believe! Retaliation is prescribed for you in the matter of the murdered; the freeman for the freeman, and the slave for the slave, and the female for the female. And for him who is forgiven somewhat by his (injured) brother, prosecution according to usage and payment unto him in kindness. This is an alleviation and a mercy from your Lord. He who transgresseth after this will have a painful doom.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
On the bright side I do not think anyone here believes I am at all religious - and if they do they have not been playing attention.
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Old 5th June 2019, 07:01 PM   #1322
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Examples:

Quran 50:38 We have created the heavens, the earth and what is between them in six days, and no fatigue touched Us.

Quran 7:40 Those who have denied Our signs, and reacted to them with arrogance, the gates of the sky will not open for them, nor will they enter paradise until the camel passes through the eye of a needle. It is such that We recompense the criminals.


1- God is not tired. You added an incorrect e in that last word.....and he is at best not being an existent thing, just a wet dream.

2- Not rich people, the disbelievers/bad peoples will go to hell.
Fixed point one for accuracy and proper descriptiveness...….
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Old 6th June 2019, 04:03 AM   #1323
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Why the term “We“ is mentioned in Quran?



Since it is not understood why the term “we“ is used in some verses of the Quran, many questions are asked regarding this matter. This subject may be handled as follows; Allah uses the first person singular term “I“ as well as the first person plural term “We“ for himself. This is something related to the linguistic structure of Arabic.



In Arabic and in some other languages sometimes the person may use the first person plural term “We“ for himself in order to express his sovereignty and greatness. However in Turkish ad in some other languages also we sometimes use the second person plural “You“ instead of the second person singular “You“ to emphasize respect and greatness. But it is not as widespread as using the second person plural “You“ for a single person we talk to.



Shortly, Allah is not humble; humbleness is a feature of the human beings. Allah uses this term to express his greatness, sovereignty and mightiness. Quran has been sent in Arabic and therefore there are linguistic features and expressions of Arabic in Quran. The oneness of Allah is the main message in the whole Quran and it is obvious in hundreds of verses in Quran.



Let us underline another point. Allah mentions about himself in Quran using both of the terms; the first person singular term “I“ as well the first person plural term `We“ especially to underline his greatness, sovereignty and mightiness. But when mentioning about Allah as the second person, the second person singular “You` is used instead of the second person plural “You“ or the third person singular “He“ is used, third person plural “They“ is never used. On the other hand it is mentioned about Allah in Quran maybe a thousand times as second or third persons. Even one of them is not second person plural or third person plural. Just as we stated in the beginning; this proves that it is a feature of the Arabic language."



https://thereisnocontradictioninqura...oned-in-quran/


Can someone who knows Arabic weigh in? I know from long exposure to Christian apologetic that claims about the original languages made by people with no understanding of those languages can easily morph into a muddled mess of theology by gossip. The bald faced lie that Jerusalem had a small gate called the “Eye of the Needle” is my favorite example of excuse minded fools putting what they wish the text said ahead of what it actually says.
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Old 6th June 2019, 03:44 PM   #1324
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"Errancy; In an affront to 99% of humans world wide, the Bible makes an incongruous declaration that only a certain race, and certain gender, and certain marital status will be in front of God;


“the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth XE "earth" . These are they which were -not defiled with women XE "women" -; for they are virgins.” (Revelation 14:3-4)


Excuse; None available.


Correction: The Holy Quran corrects this limitation of those who have the opportunity to go to Heaven by bluntly stating that Heaven is open for all and any who strive for it:


“If any do deeds of righteousness, - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.” (Quran 4:124)


Furthermore, being with a woman in a marital relationship is actually a blessing, not a defilement:


“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.” (Quran 2:187)"


https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Errancy; In an affront to 99% of humans world wide, the Bible makes an incongruous declaration that only a certain race, and certain gender, and certain marital status will be in front of God;


“the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth XE "earth" . These are they which were -not defiled with women XE "women" -; for they are virgins.” (Revelation 14:3-4)


Excuse; None available.


Correction: The Holy Quran corrects this limitation of those who have the opportunity to go to Heaven by bluntly stating that Heaven is open for all and any who strive for it:


“If any do deeds of righteousness, - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.” (Quran 4:124)


Furthermore, being with a woman in a marital relationship is actually a blessing, not a defilement:


“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.” (Quran 2:187)"


https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
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Old 6th June 2019, 05:37 PM   #1326
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Errancy; In an affront to 99% of humans world wide, the Bible makes an incongruous declaration that only a certain race, and certain gender, and certain marital status will be in front of God;


“the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth XE "earth" . These are they which were -not defiled with women XE "women" -; for they are virgins.” (Revelation 14:3-4)


Excuse; None available.


Correction: The Holy Quran corrects this limitation of those who have the opportunity to go to Heaven by bluntly stating that Heaven is open for all and any who strive for it:


“If any do deeds of righteousness, - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.” (Quran 4:124)


Furthermore, being with a woman in a marital relationship is actually a blessing, not a defilement:


“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments.” (Quran 2:187)"


https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
As to bible and quaran (etc., etc.) they were all made up to help convince the
weak minded followers who needed something to cling to and wuv!!!!!
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Old 7th June 2019, 05:49 AM   #1327
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Errancy; In an affront to 99% of humans world wide, the Bible makes an incongruous declaration that only a certain race, and certain gender, and certain marital status will be in front of God;


“the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth XE "earth" . These are they which were -not defiled with women XE "women" -; for they are virgins.” (Revelation 14:3-4)
Yet again you need to lie about the theology surrounding a verse in order to criticize it. This passage is not about who will and will not go to Heaven, but about the composition of a single heavenly choir. What you've done is comparable to claiming that the Koran says only people who are violently martyred for Islam will get to paradise.
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Excuse; None available.
You have no excuse for refusing to answer my question. You claimed this thread has Christian missionaries in it. Who are you accusing of being a Christian missionary? Name them so they can defend themselves against your lies and defamation.
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Old 7th June 2019, 09:53 AM   #1329
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Excuse; None available.
The "excuse," as usual, is that you are wildly misrepresenting the views of people who follow the Bible as their religious text. This appears to be a bad habit followed by many religious people who consider themselves authorities on the other guy's religion.
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[quote=Emre_1974tr;12718801]

Correction: The Holy Quran corrects this limitation of those who have the opportunity to go to Heaven by bluntly stating that Heaven is open for all and any who strive for it:


“If any do deeds of righteousness, - be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them.” (Quran 4:124)
[quote]

The key words there are "and have faith"

Meaning only believers in Muhammad can be saved. This is what the Quran says, over and over again. Unbelievers are cursed.
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Old 9th June 2019, 03:13 PM   #1331
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"Errancy; The Bible allows and even promotes self amputation;

“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12)

"Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee: cut them off, and cast them from thee." Matthew 18:8

Excuse; The Bible was speaking figuratively

Rebuttal: Thousands throughout Christian history have become eunuch monks based on the motivation from the Bible. Earlier Christians believed those passages to be speaking literally, thus followed the literal advice. Furthermore, (Matthew 19:12) emphasizes the meaning is literal because it gives the example of those who are born eunuchs and then states those that become like them will have paradise. Although modern Christians may have secularized out of this early Christian norm, self amputation is still a well documented Christian phenomenon.

Correction: The Holy Quran teaches us to preserve and love ourselves:

“And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.” (Quran 2:195)

“O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! (Quran 4:29)

Islam teaches to pray and perform fasting to avoid temptations, rather than the horrid self amputation taught in the Bible.

"And seek assistance through patience and prayer, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones" (Quran 2:45)"

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
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"Errancy; The Bible allows and even promotes self amputation;



“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12)



"Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee: cut them off, and cast them from thee." Matthew 18:8



Excuse; The Bible was speaking figuratively



Rebuttal: Thousands throughout Christian history have become eunuch monks based on the motivation from the Bible. Earlier Christians believed those passages to be speaking literally, thus followed the literal advice. Furthermore, (Matthew 19:12) emphasizes the meaning is literal because it gives the example of those who are born eunuchs and then states those that become like them will have paradise. Although modern Christians may have secularized out of this early Christian norm, self amputation is still a well documented Christian phenomenon.



Correction: The Holy Quran teaches us to preserve and love ourselves:



“And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.” (Quran 2:195)



“O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! (Quran 4:29)



Islam teaches to pray and perform fasting to avoid temptations, rather than the horrid self amputation taught in the Bible.



"And seek assistance through patience and prayer, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones" (Quran 2:45)"



https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618


Still running away from my questions I see. What does the Koran say about cowardice?
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Originally Posted by Emre_1974tr View Post
"Errancy; The Bible allows and even promotes self amputation;

“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it. (Matthew 19:12)

"Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee: cut them off, and cast them from thee." Matthew 18:8

Excuse; The Bible was speaking figuratively

Rebuttal: Thousands throughout Christian history have become eunuch monks based on the motivation from the Bible. Earlier Christians believed those passages to be speaking literally, thus followed the literal advice. Furthermore, (Matthew 19:12) emphasizes the meaning is literal because it gives the example of those who are born eunuchs and then states those that become like them will have paradise. Although modern Christians may have secularized out of this early Christian norm, self amputation is still a well documented Christian phenomenon.

Correction: The Holy Quran teaches us to preserve and love ourselves:

“And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good.” (Quran 2:195)

“O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities: But let there be amongst you Traffic and trade by mutual good-will: Nor kill (or destroy) yourselves: for verily Allah hath been to you Most Merciful! (Quran 4:29)

Islam teaches to pray and perform fasting to avoid temptations, rather than the horrid self amputation taught in the Bible.

"And seek assistance through patience and prayer, and most surely it is a hard thing except for the humble ones" (Quran 2:45)"

https://quranbible.org/english.htm#_Toc96948618
Except in 5:33 and 5:38 where barbaric amputation is enforced.

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The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;
Some religion of peace you have going on there.
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Again:

Everyone is free to believe what they wish, according to Quran. This is the goal of the test world. To confront yourself.

Quran only allows a war of defense.

If you read the full of the verses, you will always see the struggle with the attackers in the defense battle.

Example;

2:190 Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors.

2:191 Fight them wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you, and know that persecution is worse than being killed. Do not fight them at the Restricted Temple unless they fight you in it; if they fight you then fight them. Thus is the reward of those who do not appreciate.

2:192 If they cease, then God is Forgiving, Compassionate.

2:193 Fight them so there is no more persecution, and so that the system is God's. If they cease, then there will be no aggression except against the wicked.

***********

Here again, He says, fight with the attackers.

But if you pull out a single verse. You make it look like saying the opposite.

And look at:

49:9 And if two parties of believers battle with each other, you shall reconcile them; but if one of them aggresses against the other, then you shall fight the one aggressing until it complies with the command of God. Once it complies, then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice, and be equitable; for God loves those who are equitable.

As you can see saying, if the attackers are Muslims, stop them too.

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In past , the assailants killed the Muslims, pulled them out of their vatas, or cut them in cross/X shape.

In the past, other spiritualist pagans, such as Pharaoh, did the same.

And this verse about self defense and retaliation.

5:33 The recompense of those who fight God and His messenger and seek to corrupt the land, is that they will be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off on alternate sides or that they be banished from the land. That is a disgrace for them in this world. In the Hereafter, they will have a great retribution.

In short, crossing is about self defense and retaliation to attacker pagans (Who cuts the Muslims in X shape).

https://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9609989.0
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Everyone is free to believe what they wish, according to Quran.
But that's not really an operative promise. You claim that you interpret the Qur'an correctly. Others who claim to believe in the Qur'an have interpreted differently and come to different conclusions than you do on many subjects. Clearly there is no one correct way to read the Qur'an. Unless, of course, you're willing to explain -- with evidence -- why your way to read the Qur'an is the only one that's right.
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You have no excuse for refusing to answer my question. You claimed this thread has Christian missionaries in it. Who are you accusing of being a Christian missionary? Name them so they can defend themselves against your lies and defamation.
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