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22nd November 2012, 07:40 PM | #1 |
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Chambliss disses Norquist Pledge
Three cheers for a GOP Senator finally renouncing the Norquist Pledge.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...dge/?hpt=hp_t1
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22nd November 2012, 08:04 PM | #2 |
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Good for Chambliss. Really, kudos.
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22nd November 2012, 08:05 PM | #3 |
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Hopefully he doesn't get primaried out because of it.
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22nd November 2012, 08:06 PM | #4 |
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Knock me over with a feather. Good job Senator.
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22nd November 2012, 08:38 PM | #5 |
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That pledge is 20 years old!?
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22nd November 2012, 08:47 PM | #6 |
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22nd November 2012, 09:16 PM | #7 |
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22nd November 2012, 09:30 PM | #8 |
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It's about time, and it's only a start.
I'd like to see 40 more Senators and 238 more Representatives publicly renounce this pledge and get to the task of negotiating in good faith for the good of the country. |
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22nd November 2012, 09:40 PM | #9 |
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"I care a lot more about it than I do Grover Norquist" could be an effective attack against pols who signed the pledge, but "no more taxes" is such a populist position that the voters may not be that easily swayed against it.
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22nd November 2012, 11:21 PM | #10 |
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Yeah, good for Chambliss. But the guy has a large, permanent stain on his character after what he did to Max Cleland.
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22nd November 2012, 11:29 PM | #11 |
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Glad to hear it and I hope that more representatives choose to represent their people rather than their party (the two don't often meet especially when it comes to making harder decisions)
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23rd November 2012, 06:55 AM | #15 |
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You seem to be working from the assumption that they learned something this time around. They can blame Willard for losing the White House and the rape guys for not getting back the Senate. That anybody still takes Bachmann and the MILF seriously raises the question as to whether they are even educable.
To see the moderates punish the GOP for kow-towing to Grover might end his career. |
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23rd November 2012, 07:41 AM | #16 |
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I'll be damned, Chambliss really did that? Our right-wing looney himself?
Huh. I guess someone keeps his ear closer to the ground than I'd thought. |
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23rd November 2012, 08:13 AM | #17 |
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Grover didn't do himself any favors when he suggested that Romney would be his little bitch and it didn't matter what Romney believed, knew or was proposing. Ironically enough he was doing that in support of Romney and might even have thought he was doing him a service!
Incidentally, Mea culpa. I hope you cleaned up in the pennny-ante political futures market! |
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23rd November 2012, 03:40 PM | #22 |
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23rd November 2012, 07:03 PM | #23 |
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M'kay. Let me ask you this: do you think commitment to the Norquist Pledge is defensible in the context of negotiations to avoid the fiscal cliff? Ad I've pointed out repeatedly, refusing to accept Obama's offer on extending the tax cuts (where he has offered to extend the Bush tax cuts for all households with under $250K income, and even leaving the cuts in place on the first $250K of income for those who earn more than that) means accepting the consequence of refusing that offer, that all the Bush tax cuts would expire. Even if you are ideologically opposed to increasing tax rates (and you count the sunsetting of a temporary tax cut as a "tax increase), sticking to the Pledge means even greater tax increases than accepting Obama's offer. Is the only reason a Republican in this lame duck Congress should reject the compromise Obama is offering fealty to party? |
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Republicans need to compromise, but compromise should mean accepting smaller-than-ideal cuts in government spending, not raising taxes on the producers. We need to cut food stamps, medicaid, and in the "Earned" Income Tax Credit. If we're going to raise taxes, then Republicans should agree to a hike on payroll taxes... maybe increase the cap so people in the lower six-figures do not mistake themselves for their betters. I have more ideas, but I seem to have misplaced my monocle...
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And it's this sort of thinking that will doom the Republican party.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxby_C...groups_ratings On abortion issues, the ratings given Chambliss as of 2007 by National Right to Life Committee and NARAL Pro-Choice America identify him as having an anti-abortion voting record. The National Right to Life Committee gave him a 100% rating, while NARAL Pro-Choice America gave him a 0% rating.[27][28]These are largely the same ratings that "RINO" John McCain gets from many of the same groups. |
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Actually, the automatic expiration of the Obama payroll tax cut ("Making Work Pay") is part of the fiscal cliff too. And by Norquist Pledge reasoning, they must oppose ANY tax increase at all, including this one.
However, they will reject the deal Obama is offering that includes the extension of very nearly all the current tax cuts because it will also allow for marginal tax rates on income over $250K to go back to what the rate for that portion of income was before the Bush tax cuts. Again, fealty to their Pledge ends up shooting themselves in their own foot. That is, they'll end up going against the very ideology that calls for the Pledge in the name of the Pledge. ETA: And based on the backlash Chambliss is getting over this, that is exactly the absurd black-and-white thinking we're dealing with. People are saying that renouncing the Pledge (and considering accepting an offer than gives you at least 90% of what you want wrt taxes) is the same as lying to the taxpayers. |
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Most of those things don't matter so much. If a Tea Party guy voted for environmental legislation, he might get a withering glance, but not this kind of over-the-top rage. There is really only one issue that they lose their marbles over, and that is taxes. Immigration might be a close second, but that might change soon.
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'Til the next primary, mebbe. Then it would come back to haunt him. I don't think there's a conservative political icon of the entire past century who could survive a modern Republican primary unless they were an incumbent. And even that isn't proving to be much protection. Every one of them is tarred with some sort of unforgivable transgression to today's right-wing ideology. |
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The most ironic part of this sad state of affairs is that Republican hagiography elevates to Conservolympus a number of leaders and candidates who would be considered RINOs in todays wingnut party. If Senators Chambliss and McCain are RINOs, then Republicans are confining themselves to the wilderness that Democrats went through from 1968 until the mid-80s*.
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I get it Cain. You're just yanking chains. Have fun.
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Is this the same chicken-hawk Saxby "I got a bum knee" Chambliss that had the horrific commercials questioning Max Cleland's patriotism? If so, he can still go suck an egg.
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