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Old 6th January 2023, 03:41 PM   #1721
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I remember reading about that case when the arrests were first made. The detail about the cupcakes was so ludicrous I would've believed it was made up, had the police not found photographic evidence for it.
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Old 7th January 2023, 07:29 AM   #1722
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Family of man killed in deputy-involved shooting says authorities responded to wrong house

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HAZEL GREEN, Ala. (WHNT) – The Madison County Sheriff’s Office has confirmed that a sheriff’s deputy was involved in a fatal shooting early Friday morning while responding to a domestic violence call.

Authorities say officers responded to a domestic violence call with shots fired in the area in the 200 block of Dixon Road. Deputies made contact with a man at the scene who they said was armed.

The Madison County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that Ray Dean King, 50, was fatally shot during that encounter. Deputies recovered King’s weapon at the scene.

News 19 spoke with family members, who say deputies responded to the wrong house.

The family members say the incident began with a female family member, involved in a domestic dispute outside a nearby address.
Cops go to wrong house, make noise outside, man comes out with gun to investigate, cops kill him. What else is new?
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Old 7th January 2023, 09:59 AM   #1723
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Family of man killed in deputy-involved shooting says authorities responded to wrong house



Cops go to wrong house, make noise outside, man comes out with gun to investigate, cops kill him. What else is new?
You’d almost think owning a gun doesn’t make you safer!
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Old 9th January 2023, 01:24 PM   #1724
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You’d almost think owning a gun doesn’t make you safer!

Or anyone else.
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Old 10th January 2023, 09:18 AM   #1725
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Man having heart attack at Dollar General arrested and put in county jail later died, says lawsuit

If medical personnel had arrived before the police, or even if somebody had just gotten him into a car and taken him to the nearest hospital, he might be alive today. The cops just jumped to the conclusion that he was drunk, tossed him in the drunk tank, and this cost him his life.
Same kind of thing happened back in November
https://www.lex18.com/news/lex-18-in...or-heat-stroke
At least this time the man lived. If you shouldn't call 911, and you shouldn't go to the hospital... where does that leave you? Urgent Care?
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Old 14th January 2023, 05:23 AM   #1726
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A cop tasers a male, for allegedly resisting arrest and specifically not turning over so he can be cuffed to the back, when there are police officers on him, so he cannot turn over.

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/st...57289861234689

The male has since died. There is a lot more to the incident than is seen in the video, but what we see in the video are cops whose tactics are poor, as they work against each other. This is an example of the police making it look like someone is resisting, when they are being held in such a way that they cannot comply.
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Old 14th January 2023, 03:57 PM   #1727
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The US is the No. 1 violator of human rights in the entire world. They have killed +1000 people just in 2022. It's insane.

That statistic is true, police killed over 1,000 people in 2022. Sometimes it is opinions from other countries that really hit home to me...same with this forum.

It is hard to step away and analyze this objectively when you are living in it. Well, more-so than for others obviously.
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Old 14th January 2023, 10:43 PM   #1728
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
One comment from the link:




That statistic is true, police killed over 1,000 people in 2022. Sometimes it is opinions from other countries that really hit home to me...same with this forum.

It is hard to step away and analyze this objectively when you are living in it. Well, more-so than for others obviously.
I'm not even remotely convinced by that opinion, though. The US is absolutely not the #1 Human Rights Violator. Not even close, and that number doesn't even remotely come close to actually demonstrating that it is, even if we limited human rights to that specific indicator for whatever contrived reason. It's actually rather farcical to try to use that number in the face of multiple ongoing genocides in other countries, Russia's mass war crimes, etc.

To be clear of course, that isn't being said to defend the US - there's a lot of serious problems here. It's just that big picture perspective should always be kept in mind.
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
I'm not even remotely convinced by that opinion, though. The US is absolutely not the #1 Human Rights Violator. Not even close, and that number doesn't even remotely come close to actually demonstrating that it is, even if we limited human rights to that specific indicator for whatever contrived reason. It's actually rather farcical to try to use that number in the face of multiple ongoing genocides in other countries, Russia's mass war crimes, etc.

To be clear of course, that isn't being said to defend the US - there's a lot of serious problems here. It's just that big picture perspective should always be kept in mind.
I don't think ongoing genocides and mass war crimes compare to police conduct in a country not in war...

The big picture perspective: https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ngs-by-country

The US ranks 33rd in the world in rate of police killings just below Mexico and just above Bangladesh. There are no first world countries placed higher. The next-highest comparable first world country is Canada with a rate 3 times lower.
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Old 15th January 2023, 02:42 AM   #1730
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Originally Posted by erlando View Post
I don't think ongoing genocides and mass war crimes compare to police conduct in a country not in war...

The big perspective: https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ngs-by-country

The US ranks 33rd in the world in rate of police killings just below Mexico and just above Bangladesh. There are no first world countries placed higher. The next-highest comparable first world country is Canada with a rate 3 times lower.
That's a qualification that wasn't part of the quoted opinion, though. As noted, I'm not actually defending the US here so much as going for big picture context. Had the opinion expressed been specifically about police killings in first world countries, as you pointed out, I wouldn't have objected. Worst human rights violators in the entire world is a very different thing, though.
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Old 15th January 2023, 09:57 AM   #1731
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The behaviour of the police from around the world.

We have threads on the behaviour of the police in the USA and the UK, so how are the police getting on in the rest of the world?

Here is a link to a video on the German police as they face up to protestors at the demolition of a village to expand an open cast coal mine...

https://twitter.com/_maxgranger/stat...50397359538176

...and get stuck in some mud.
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Old 15th January 2023, 01:27 PM   #1732
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
That's a qualification that wasn't part of the quoted opinion, though. As noted, I'm not actually defending the US here so much as going for big picture context. Had the opinion expressed been specifically about police killings in first world countries, as you pointed out, I wouldn't have objected. Worst human rights violators in the entire world is a very different thing, though.
I'm not disagreeing with you. I just brought facts.
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Old 15th January 2023, 05:31 PM   #1733
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Old 21st January 2023, 12:57 PM   #1734
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A Detective’s Affair with an Eyewitness Landed an Innocent Man in Prison


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A man was exonerated after spending six years in prison for a murder he didn’t commit. A few alarming factors contributed to the false conviction, one of which included a scandalous romance between the lead homicide detective and a key witness, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.

Lamont Cambell, 28, was found guilty in the 2011 murder of Lenny J. Gregory III, the son of a retired St. Louis police officer. The conviction didn’t come until a second trial because the jury failed to reach an unanimous verdict the first time in 2013. When the prosecutors came back to try Cambell in 2016 - with no physical evidence nor any motive for the killing - he was sentenced to life in prison. Cambell continued to fight for his freedom, filing an appeal on ineffective counsel and violation of due process in 2019.

St. Louis Circuit Judge Timothy J. Boyer ruled in favor of Cambell’s appeal, finding his attorneys didn’t do enough and the investigators were doing far too much.

Read the flaws in Cambell’s case from St. Louis Post-Dispatch:

Last spring, experts, witnesses, Cambell and Mary Fox, who represented Cambell in his trial and now leads the state public defender’s office, gathered for a hearing on the evidence.

Experts testified that the witness identifications were likely unreliable and, at the time of the second trial, the wife of the married couple had begun an affair with the lead homicide detective in the case — a fact that was not disclosed to the defense.

Evidence of another perpetrator also was not presented at trial, court documents said: A neighbor saw multiple people fighting with Gregory on the night he died and identified a man who was a person of interest in another killing nearby. An analysis from the state crime lab matched two palm prints found at the scene to that person as well.

They messed up so bad that the prosecutors went from pursuing a “new” investigation into the case to just dropping the charges altogether. Cambell walked out of the City Justice Center within the next hour.
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Old 26th January 2023, 04:11 PM   #1735
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Five Memphis cops charged with murder for beating a driver to death.
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Five former Memphis police officers who were fired for their actions during the arrest of Tyre Nichols earlier this month were indicted on charges including murder and kidnapping, Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy announced Thursday.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/us/ty...day/index.html
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‘You’re going to see acts that defy humanity,’ police chief says, as officials urge calm when Tyre Nichols arrest videos are released publicly tonight

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Video of a traffic stop that led to the deadly beating of a 29-year-old Black man shows “acts that defy humanity,” the Memphis police chief told CNN on Friday, hours before the expected public release of the footage.

“You’re going to see a disregard for life, duty of care that we’re all sworn to and a level of physical interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement,” Chief Cerelyn “CJ” Davis told Don Lemon of the video in the Tyre Nichols case, noting it will be released on YouTube in four parts.

Five Memphis officers were charged Thursday in Nichols’ death following a reckless driving stop that Davis said her department has not been able to substantiate.
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Old 27th January 2023, 08:29 AM   #1737
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I didn't realise being a policeman in the US paid so well...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-64427257

Desmond Mills and Justin Smith each posted $250,000 (£202,340) and were released Thursday evening, it says.

Emmitt Martin and Tadarrius Bean were released by 04:00 local time (10:00 GMT), Fox News details.

Bean also posted $250,000 and Martin posted $350,000 (£283,346), it says.
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Look at this way. The fired the officers and charged them with murder BEFORE releasing the footage or any major public backlash.

It's gotta be bad.
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Old 27th January 2023, 08:32 AM   #1739
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Five Memphis cops charged with murder for beating a driver to death.

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Five former Memphis police officers who were fired for their actions during the arrest of Tyre Nichols earlier this month were indicted on charges including murder and kidnapping, Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy announced Thursday.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/26/us/ty...day/index.html

The acts that the bad, five former Memphis police officers who inflicted a deadly beating onto Tyre Nichols, are ESPECIALLY HEINOUS.

A reckless driving stop the Police Chief Cerelyn "CJ" Davis said her department has not been able to substantiate. Paraphrased from CNN article by Travis Caldwll and Jay Croft.

Video to be released later today, Friday, Jan. 27, 2023. “You’re going to see a disregard for life, duty of care that we’re all sworn to and a level of physical interaction that is above and beyond what is required in law enforcement,” Chief Cerelyn “CJ” Davis.

Just the disregard for humanity … That’s what really pulls at your heartstrings and makes you wonder: Why was a sense of care and concern for this individual just absent from the situation by all who went to the scene?”

The Memphis Police Association hasn't spoken in support of the former bad cruel, wicked, five Memphis police officers.

Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Justin Smith, Emmitt Martin and Desmond Mills Jr. – have each been charged with second-degree murder, aggravated assault, two charges of aggravated kidnapping, two charges of official misconduct and one charge of official oppression, according to Shelby County District Attorney Steve Mulroy.

Two members of the city’s fire department who were part of Nichols’ “initial patient care” have also been relieved of duty, according to a department spokesperson.

(I pulled the names quote and the issue about the city's fire department personnel from the same CNN article.)

I wait to see the videos; this is likely to be disturbingly revealing as to just how badly some people will treat their fellow human beings.
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Memphis is going to explode tonight after this bodycam video is released. I won't say it's unreasonable, either. Just hoping it's limited to mass peaceful demonstrations and protests, but not violence and destruction. It is a different take because all five police officers were black, killing a black man. Does this eliminate the race angle?

I wonder if other cities will have demonstrations as well, violent or not. The news said that several are preparing for such a situation.
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I didn't realise being a policeman in the US paid so well...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-64427257

Desmond Mills and Justin Smith each posted $250,000 (£202,340) and were released Thursday evening, it says.

Emmitt Martin and Tadarrius Bean were released by 04:00 local time (10:00 GMT), Fox News details.

Bean also posted $250,000 and Martin posted $350,000 (£283,346), it says.
If they did this through a bail bondsman, they may have only had to put up as little as 10% of the bail. However, this amount is kept by the bail bondsman even if the defendant shows up for trial. Therefore, it's better to pay the full amount if you can, you'll get it all back if you show up.

Of course, another possibility is that they may have offered a lien on property to secure the bail, and no cash was paid. Or someone rich paid it.
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HEINOUS ACTS PERPETUATE BY BROKEN SYSTEMS

One of the five officers accused in the fatal beating of Tyre Nichols weeks ago had previously been accused in a nearly-fatal beating of a prison inmate in 2015, according to an NBC report. [1]

Quote from yahoo article:

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"Imagine seeing the face of the man you say assaulted you come across your TV screen and find he’s accused in another beating that led to someone’s death. Sledge didn’t have the chance to prove Haley’s guilt thanks to a statute of limitations. Now, the former cop’s future is in the hands of the state and the Feds."
NBC news reported [2]:

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The complaint, filed in April 2016 in U.S. District Court in Tennessee, said the officer, Demetrius Haley, was one of three corrections officers alleged to have assaulted Cordarlrius Sledge while he was behind bars in Shelby County, according to the suit.
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The suit, which Sledge filed without a lawyer, was dismissed in 2018 after a judge found he did not properly serve one of the defendants with a summons.

Judge Thomas Anderson did not address Sledge's allegations in the March 2, 2018, order.
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[1] Kalyn Womack. "Officer Accused in Fatal Tyre Nichols Beating was Previously Accused of Assault." yahoo.com. Wed, Jan. 25, 2023, 11:57 AM EST. <https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/officer-accused-fatal-tyre-nichols-165741221.html>

[2] Tim Stelloh and Doha Madani. "Officer accused in fatal beating of Tyre Nichols allegedly assaulted prison inmate, 2016 lawsuit says." nbcnews.com. Jan. 25, 2023, 12:49 AM EST. <https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-accused-fatal-beating-tyre-nichols-allegedly-assaulted-prison-rcna67349>
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HEINOUS ACTS PERPETUATE BY BROKEN SYSTEMS

One of the five officers accused in the fatal beating of Tyre Nichols weeks ago had previously been accused in a nearly-fatal beating of a prison inmate in 2015, according to an NBC report. [1]

Quote from yahoo article:



NBC news reported [2]:



NBC news article went on to say:



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[1] Kalyn Womack. "Officer Accused in Fatal Tyre Nichols Beating was Previously Accused of Assault." yahoo.com. Wed, Jan. 25, 2023, 11:57 AM EST. <https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/officer-accused-fatal-tyre-nichols-165741221.html>

[2] Tim Stelloh and Doha Madani. "Officer accused in fatal beating of Tyre Nichols allegedly assaulted prison inmate, 2016 lawsuit says." nbcnews.com. Jan. 25, 2023, 12:49 AM EST. <https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-accused-fatal-beating-tyre-nichols-allegedly-assaulted-prison-rcna67349>
Even more than the UK, police officers with complaints against them can change jobs to escape scrutiny and stop most investigations
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Memphis is going to explode tonight after this bodycam video is released. I won't say it's unreasonable, either. Just hoping it's limited to mass peaceful demonstrations and protests, but not violence and destruction. It is a different take because all five police officers were black, killing a black man. Does this eliminate the race angle?

I wonder if other cities will have demonstrations as well, violent or not. The news said that several are preparing for such a situation.
The fact that the perpetrators have been fired and charged with crimes will hopefully temper some of the outrage.
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I didn't realise being a policeman in the US paid so well...


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-64427257

Desmond Mills and Justin Smith each posted $250,000 (£202,340) and were released Thursday evening, it says.

Emmitt Martin and Tadarrius Bean were released by 04:00 local time (10:00 GMT), Fox News details.

Bean also posted $250,000 and Martin posted $350,000 (£283,346), it says.
If they did this through a bail bondsman, they may have only had to put up as little as 10% of the bail. However, this amount is kept by the bail bondsman even if the defendant shows up for trial. Therefore, it's better to pay the full amount if you can, you'll get it all back if you show up.

Of course, another possibility is that they may have offered a lien on property to secure the bail, and no cash was paid. Or someone rich paid it.
WHO PAID THEIR BAIL SHOULD (EVENTUALLY) BE PUBLIC INFORMATION

3point14, If 10% is needed to secure bail, and if it was paid using cash, I also wonder how the bad former-Memphis police officers could have a supposed $25,000, or $35,000?! Maybe they were paid well and lived frugally? This should be looked into; how were they able get that amount, apparently so quickly, and who/what supplied the money?

(IANAL) Here's a list of types of security typically used for bail I've seen in court documents (IANAL):
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  • Government Bearer Bond
  • Realty within Tennessee
  • Realty outside Tennessee
  • <amount> % Cash
  • Surety Bond
It should (eventually) be public, in court documents, who the Depositor of the bail was. Keep in mind that someone or some entity (a third-party), could've potentially created a financial account and deposited money/asset(s) of value, from which the defendants could use as bail?
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Old 27th January 2023, 09:50 AM   #1746
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The fact that the perpetrators have been fired and charged with crimes will hopefully temper some of the outrage.
Still, I expect some focus on police stations, much like happened in Minneapolis.
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Old 27th January 2023, 10:05 AM   #1747
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HEINOUS ACTS PERPETUATE BY BROKEN SYSTEMS

One of the five officers accused in the fatal beating of Tyre Nichols weeks ago had previously been accused in a nearly-fatal beating of a prison inmate in 2015, according to an NBC report. [1]

Quote from yahoo article:



NBC news reported [2]:



NBC news article went on to say:



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[1] Kalyn Womack. "Officer Accused in Fatal Tyre Nichols Beating was Previously Accused of Assault." yahoo.com. Wed, Jan. 25, 2023, 11:57 AM EST. <https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/officer-accused-fatal-tyre-nichols-165741221.html>

[2] Tim Stelloh and Doha Madani. "Officer accused in fatal beating of Tyre Nichols allegedly assaulted prison inmate, 2016 lawsuit says." nbcnews.com. Jan. 25, 2023, 12:49 AM EST. <https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officer-accused-fatal-beating-tyre-nichols-allegedly-assaulted-prison-rcna67349>

Even more than the UK, police officers with complaints against them can change jobs to escape scrutiny and stop most investigations
jimbob, that's a great example of a broken system, systemic to (bad) law enforcement. Lack of transparency, lack of traceability, and lack of accountability.

That job-changing ability perpetuates bad acts, by bad actors, and broken systems.

Think of the trauma those on the receiving-end of broken systems have (or had) to endure, and remember the lives of the abused who died at the hands of their abusers.
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Old 27th January 2023, 10:36 AM   #1748
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Of course, if the peelers had been white, you wouldn't be seeing any actions taken. Except possibly a quiet reassignment to a different force with a raise.
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I actually wonder if black cops getting thrown under the bus is going to be the norm.

(And to be 100% clear before any troll spins that into anything else, that is not saying that these officers deserve the book thrown at them with any less force.)
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Old 27th January 2023, 10:44 AM   #1750
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I actually wonder if black cops getting thrown under the bus is going to be the norm.

(And to be 100% clear before any troll spins that into anything else, that is not saying that these officers deserve the book thrown at them with any less force.)
Agreed on all points. I only made the point because it's the first time ever I've seen murderers in uniform being dealt with in a proper manner in the US and they all turn out to be black.
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The first part of this video shows what could be a questionable stop. Driver is pulled over for “evading” after making turns when the officer is following him for an unexplained reason. Driver questions the stop and police escalate. Driver then takes off.

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The police eventually do a pit maneuver at high speed that results in a crash despite the fact there are kids in the car. One of those kids is killed.

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Old 27th January 2023, 12:20 PM   #1752
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WHO PAID THEIR BAIL SHOULD (EVENTUALLY) BE PUBLIC INFORMATION

3point14, If 10% is needed to secure bail, and if it was paid using cash, I also wonder how the bad former-Memphis police officers could have a supposed $25,000, or $35,000?! Maybe they were paid well and lived frugally? This should be looked into; how were they able get that amount, apparently so quickly, and who/what supplied the money?

(IANAL) Here's a list of types of security typically used for bail I've seen in court documents (IANAL):
  • Cash/Equivalent
  • Government Bearer Bond
  • Realty within Tennessee
  • Realty outside Tennessee
  • <amount> % Cash
  • Surety Bond
It should (eventually) be public, in court documents, who the Depositor of the bail was. Keep in mind that someone or some entity (a third-party), could've potentially created a financial account and deposited money/asset(s) of value, from which the defendants could use as bail?
Theres like this meme that cops aren't paid well. Generally speaking they are.

Looking up "JoinMPD" an officer makes $30.36 after 3 years. They also get no cost health benefits. Extra pay for working 2nd or 3rd shift (ie graveyard, or swing shift I think). And, if its like where I live, pretty much as much OT as they want. $30 bucks an hour would be pretty marginal in most cities on either coast, but Memphis is on the low end as far as cost of living goes.

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Old 27th January 2023, 12:26 PM   #1753
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Of course, if the peelers had been white, you wouldn't be seeing any actions taken. Except possibly a quiet reassignment to a different force with a raise.
BEING WHITE WOULDN'T MATTER

I don't think that would be the case if the officers would have been white.

Apparently there's ample video evidence (likely with audio) footage, of heinous acts – crimes against humanity – perpetrated by bad police officers.

This case involves the brutal and inhumane beating death of Tyre Nichols at the hands of bad Memphis, Tennessee police officers, caught on video (and likely audio?) on police department-issued body cameras.

OVERWHELMING DOCUMENTED VIDEO EVIDENCE

Overwhelming documented evidence of heinous acts against Tyre Nichols – acts against humanity – in the form of video (with likely audio?) exist. The evidence has been made known to various authority figures. The bad police officers cannot deny or hide the overwhelming documented video footage.

Tyre Nichols' beating death is apparently so heinous, so egregious, so criminal and inhumane, that to cover it up would likely cause violent vengeance on a scale never seen. Retaliatory violence is not the answer. Resolution against the bad police and fire department employees needs to be handled through rule of law-abiding courts.

Broken systems need to be recognized and held accountable, too.
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Old 27th January 2023, 01:03 PM   #1754
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My hope is that they are purposefully heightening people's expectations over how bad it's gonna be so that when it's not as bad as people imagine, they won't be so mad.
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A police forcing hitting that level of balanced narrative on the head ranks fairly low on my "likely to happen" chart.
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Old 27th January 2023, 01:16 PM   #1756
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Agreed on all points. I only made the point because it's the first time ever I've seen murderers in uniform being dealt with in a proper manner in the US and they all turn out to be black.
? First time, do you think Derek Chauvin was punished too leniently?

ETA: actually yeah TBF I do think his sentence is too lenient. The federal and state terms are to be served concurrently, not consecutively. He might be paroled as soon as 2035.

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? First time, do you think Derek Chauvin was punished too leniently?
Yes. Derek Chauvin WAS going to get off scott free until the video and then the outrage happened. He would have walked without it, don't even sit there and try to pretend otherwise. Hell he wouldn't have even had to "walk" the very idea of him facing justice never even would have occurred to anyone in power.

This is the first time we didn't have to force the police to hold one of their own to standards.

Yes police have been brought to justice before but only

A) After massive, long term, public outcry and protests.
B) In weird, one off situations where they couldn't be protected as "just doing their job" like Officer "Ooopsie Wrong Apartment Bang Bang."

This a police force deciding to actually treat wanton daylight murder as something to worry about without their hand being forced.

That means something.
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Yes. Derek Chauvin WAS going to get off scott free until the video and then the outrage happened. He would have walked without it, don't even sit there and try to pretend otherwise. Hell he wouldn't have even had to "walk" the very idea of him facing justice never even would have occurred to anyone in power.

This is the first time we didn't have to force the police to hold one of their own to standards.

Yes police have been brought to justice before but only

A) After massive, long term, public outcry and protests.
B) In weird, one off situations where they couldn't be protected as "just doing their job" like Officer "Ooopsie Wrong Apartment Bang Bang."

This a police force deciding to actually treat wanton daylight murder as something to worry about without their hand being forced.

That means something.
Yeah, that might be an important distinction. Although its possible, IMO, that Memphis PD is just reacting preemptively because the video would've made it to the public eventually. Freedom of information act, or civil lawsuit by the victims family.
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WHO PAID THEIR BAIL SHOULD (EVENTUALLY) BE PUBLIC INFORMATION

3point14, If 10% is needed to secure bail, and if it was paid using cash, I also wonder how the bad former-Memphis police officers could have a supposed $25,000, or $35,000?! Maybe they were paid well and lived frugally? This should be looked into; how were they able get that amount, apparently so quickly, and who/what supplied the money?

(IANAL) Here's a list of types of security typically used for bail I've seen in court documents (IANAL):
  • Cash/Equivalent
  • Government Bearer Bond
  • Realty within Tennessee
  • Realty outside Tennessee
  • <amount> % Cash
  • Surety Bond
It should (eventually) be public, in court documents, who the Depositor of the bail was. Keep in mind that someone or some entity (a third-party), could've potentially created a financial account and deposited money/asset(s) of value, from which the defendants could use as bail?
Theres like this meme that cops aren't paid well. Generally speaking they are.

Looking up "JoinMPD" an officer makes $30.36 after 3 years. They also get no cost health benefits. Extra pay for working 2nd or 3rd shift (ie graveyard, or swing shift I think). And, if its like where I live, pretty much as much OT as they want. $30 bucks an hour would be pretty marginal in most cities on either coast, but Memphis is on the low end as far as cost of living goes.
I didn't mean to sound derogatory to police officers' salary, savings, or ability to save money.

But I question how the officers made bail, so quickly, given that some of the former Memphis, Tennessee police officers had relatively short work histories. Could they have saved the money needed to post bail?

JANUARY 26, 2023. ALL FIVE OFFICERS WERE ARRESTED, BOOKED, POSTED BOND, AND RELEASED

January 26, 2023, all five officers were arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. That afternoon, all five posted bond and were released.

Below are partial quote listings taken from numbered points on conandaily.com:

Demetrius Haley [1]
  • Haley was 29 years old and unmarried when he was arrested on January 26, 2023
  • He is a former employee of the Shelby County Division of Corrections and the Memphis Police Department, which are both in Memphis.
  • On May 16, 2015, he and his fellow Shelby County Division of Corrections officer David Dyson allegedly strip-searched and beat inmate Cordarlrius Sledge at the penal farm until Sledge blacked out under the supervision of Danny McClain.
  • In August 2020, the Memphis Police Department hired him. According to a report in August 2021, his annual salary as a probationary police officer was $45,623.50.
  • On January 20, 2023, the Memphis Police Department fired him, Smith, Bean, Martin and Mills.
  • On the morning of January 26, 2023, he was arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. In the afternoon, he posted $350,000 bond and was released.

Tadarrius Bean [2]
  • He was 24 years old and unmarried when he was arrested on January 26, 2023.
  • In May 2020, he graduated from the University of Mississippi in University, Lafayette County, Mississippi with a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice.
  • In August 2020, the Memphis Police Department in Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee, USA hired him
  • On January 7, 2023, he and his fellow Memphis Police Department officers Demetrius Haley, Emmitt Martin III, Desmond Mills Jr. and Justin Smith allegedly caused the injuries of Memphis resident Tyre Nichols, who was pronounced dead on January 10, 2023.
  • On January 20, 2023, the Memphis Police Department fired him, Haley, Martin, Mills and Smith.
  • On the morning of January 26, 2023, he was arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. In the afternoon, he posted $250,000 bond and was released.

Emmitt Martin III [3]
  • He was 30 years old and unmarried when he was arrested on January 26, 2023.
  • In 2015, he graduated from Bethel University with a bachelor’s degree in criminal justice and corrections.
  • In March 2018, the Memphis Police Department hired him. He was part of thedepartment’s SCORPION unit.
  • On January 7, 2023, he and his fellow Memphis Police Department officers Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Desmond Mills Jr. and Justin Smith allegedly caused the injuries of Memphis man Tyre Nichols, who was pronounced dead on January 10, 2023.
  • On the morning of January 26, 2023, he was arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. In the afternoon, he posted $350,000 bond and was released.

Desmond Mills, Jr. [4]
  • He was 32 years old and an unmarried father when he was arrested on January 26, 2023.
  • From 2011 to 2014, he attended West Virginia State University in Institute where he played football.
  • In March 2017, the Memphis Police Department hired him. He became part of the department’s SCORPION unit.
  • On January 7, 2023, he and his fellow Memphis Police Department officers Tadarrius Bean, Demetrius Haley, Emmitt Martin III and Justin Smith allegedly caused the injuries of Memphis man Tyre Nichols, who was pronounced dead on January 10, 2023.
  • On the morning of January 26, 2023, he was arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. In the afternoon, he posted $250,000 bond and was released.

Justin Smith [5]
  • He was 28 years old and unmarried when he was arrested on January 26, 2023.
  • In March 2018, the Memphis Police Department hired him.
  • On January 20, 2023, the Memphis Police Department fired him.
  • On the morning of January 26, 2023, he was arrested and booked into the Shelby County Jail in Memphis. In the afternoon, he posted $250,000 bond and was released.

Sources:

[1] ABDEL JIBRI OMAR. "Demetrius Haley biography: 13 things about former Memphis, Tennessee cop." conandaily.com. 26 Jan 2023. <https://conandaily.com/2023/01/26/demetrius-haley-biography-13-things-about-former-memphis-tennessee-cop/>

[2] ABDEL JIBRI OMAR. "Tadarrius Bean biography: 10 things about former Memphis, Tennessee cop." conandaily.com. 26 Jan 2023. <https://conandaily.com/2023/01/26/tadarrius-bean-biography-10-things-about-former-memphis-tennessee-cop/>

[3] CONAN ALTATIS. "Emmitt Martin III biography: 10 things about former Memphis, Tennessee cop." conandaily.com. 26 Jan 2023. <https://conandaily.com/2023/01/26/emmitt-martin-iii-biography-10-things-about-former-memphis-tennessee-cop/>

[4] ABDEL JIBRI OMAR. "Desmond Mills Jr. biography: 13 things about former Memphis, Tennessee cop." conandaily.com. 26 Jan 2023. <https://conandaily.com/2023/01/27/desmond-mills-jr-biography-13-things-about-former-memphis-tennessee-cop/>

[5] CONAN ALTATIS. "Justin Smith biography: 10 things about former Memphis, Tennessee cop." conandaily.com. 26 Jan 2023. <https://conandaily.com/2023/01/27/justin-smith-biography-10-things-about-former-memphis-tennessee-cop/>
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I didn't mean to sound derogatory to police officers' salary, savings, or ability to save money.

But I question how the officers made bail, so quickly, given that some of the former Memphis, Tennessee police officers had relatively short work histories. Could they have saved the money needed to post bail?
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I don't know this, but it wouldn't surprise me if the police union has some arrangement to pay or guarantee bail for members, just as it provides lawyers. At this point these guys are just accused.

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