[Split Thread] Musk, SpaceX and future of Tesla - Page 4

Darat · 18th January 2023, 07:32 AM

Noticed I still had this in my watch later list, it covers the fakery used at the latest robot announcements and a few other things he has promoted with "faked" product demonstrations:

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Puppycow · 18th January 2023, 06:34 PM

Was this already mentioned?

A Tesla vehicle using ‘Smart Summon’ appears to crash into a $3.5 million private jet

Quote:

According to the poster, the Tesla owner was using the “Smart Summon” feature that enables a Tesla vehicle to leave a parking space and navigate around obstacles to its owner. Using just the Tesla app on your smartphone, you can “summon” your car to you from a maximum distance of 200 feet, as long as the car is within your line of sight.

Puppycow · 18th January 2023, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Darat

Noticed I still had this in my watch later list, it covers the fakery used at the latest robot announcements and a few other things he has promoted with "faked" product demonstrations:

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Meanwhile Boston Dynamics' Atlas robot can do parkour:

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TheGoldcountry · 18th January 2023, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Meanwhile Boston Dynamics' Atlas robot can do parkour:

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Damn. Robots are approaching that "uncanny valley" where they look just human enough to creep me out.

mgidm86 · 18th January 2023, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Puppycow

Was this already mentioned?

A Tesla vehicle using ‘Smart Summon’ appears to crash into a $3.5 million private jet

I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law?

Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board?

Puppycow · 18th January 2023, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law?

Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board?

The legality may depend on where you are. Apparently it is legal in some states at least. But the driver is responsible according to Tesla.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyv...h=5de89f1518c6

It's only supposed to be used if you have a line of sight to the vehicle.

Segnosaur · 19th January 2023, 07:11 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

With the average new car price in the U.S. at about $48k, it’s hard to continue to position Tesla’s as a rich man’s toy. Though a fun toy it certainly is!

Just out of curiosity, what vehicles are counted in that "average new car price"? Just sedans, hatchbacks, etc. Or does that include SUVs and pickup trucks (i.e. vehicles that skew the average price upwards).

The price of a Tesla might not have been high compared to the cost of an average new vehicle, but it might have been high compared to vehicles of the same class/purpose. I e. It may be more relevant to compare the cost of a Tesla with the Honda civic, Hyundai Elantra or Toyota Prius/corolla than with a ford f150.

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jadebox · 19th January 2023, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by mgidm86

I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law?

Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board?

The feature is disabled on public streets.

I watched someone fetch their Tesla in a parking lot a few years ago when the feature was new. It moved so slow that if it were about to hit anything, the owner could have stopped it fast enough just by lifting a finger.

But, most other manufacturers with similar features limit them to working over a much shorter distance such as pulling out of a garage or parking space. That seems much less risky.

I get the impression that Tesla is trying to do too much with too little hardware. Most self-driving vehicles have a lot more sensors than Tesla.

Fast Eddie B · 19th January 2023, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Segnosaur

Just out of curiosity, what vehicles are counted in that "average new car price"?

Not 100% sure. Here’s the link:

https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average...e-sets-record/

At the time, they point out EV’s were still priced well above average. That certainly has been moderated a bit by Tesla’s recent price drops, but on average they’re certainly still a bit higher nonetheless.

jeremyp · 21st January 2023, 12:00 PM

Seems like Elon Musk is getting into hot water over the demo of FSD that they faked.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2023/01...eo-emails-show

Amusingly, following the link in Elon's Tweet about the demo now takes you to a page which says "I'm afraid I can't do that", which is somewhat ironic.

FatherLukeduke · 23rd January 2023, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B

With the average new car price in the U.S. at about $48k, it’s hard to continue to position Tesla’s as a rich man’s toy. Though a fun toy it certainly is!

Well, maybe, but the average price of a Tesla is nearly $70k (least before these price cuts). They are expensive cars...the third most expensive with only two niche electric brands more expensive:

Quote:

Tata Motors, $86,154
Rivian, $73,396
Tesla Motors, $69,831
BMW, $68,389
Daimler, $66,158
Geely Auto Group, $58,648
Stellantis, $54,880
Volkswagen Group, $54,858
Ford Motor Company, $54,227
General Motors, $52,175

Elon Musk: saving the world one luxury sedan at a time.

18th January 2023, 06:34 PM	#122
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,799	Was this already mentioned? A Tesla vehicle using ‘Smart Summon’ appears to crash into a $3.5 million private jet Quote: According to the poster, the Tesla owner was using the “Smart Summon” feature that enables a Tesla vehicle to leave a parking space and navigate around obstacles to its owner. Using just the Tesla app on your smartphone, you can “summon” your car to you from a maximum distance of 200 feet, as long as the car is within your line of sight.
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18th January 2023, 10:34 PM	#125
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,471	Originally Posted by Puppycow Was this already mentioned? A Tesla vehicle using ‘Smart Summon’ appears to crash into a $3.5 million private jet I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law? Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board?
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18th January 2023, 11:17 PM	#126
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,799	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law? Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board? The legality may depend on where you are. Apparently it is legal in some states at least. But the driver is responsible according to Tesla. https://www.forbes.com/sites/lianeyv...h=5de89f1518c6 It's only supposed to be used if you have a line of sight to the vehicle.
	__________________ A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool. William Shakespeare

19th January 2023, 07:11 AM	#127
Segnosaur Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 19,510	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B With the average new car price in the U.S. at about $48k, it’s hard to continue to position Tesla’s as a rich man’s toy. Though a fun toy it certainly is! Just out of curiosity, what vehicles are counted in that "average new car price"? Just sedans, hatchbacks, etc. Or does that include SUVs and pickup trucks (i.e. vehicles that skew the average price upwards). The price of a Tesla might not have been high compared to the cost of an average new vehicle, but it might have been high compared to vehicles of the same class/purpose. I e. It may be more relevant to compare the cost of a Tesla with the Honda civic, Hyundai Elantra or Toyota Prius/corolla than with a ford f150. Sent from my moto e using Tapatalk
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23rd January 2023, 05:00 AM	#131
FatherLukeduke Thinker Join Date: Sep 2021 Posts: 130	Originally Posted by Fast Eddie B With the average new car price in the U.S. at about $48k, it’s hard to continue to position Tesla’s as a rich man’s toy. Though a fun toy it certainly is! Well, maybe, but the average price of a Tesla is nearly $70k (least before these price cuts). They are expensive cars...the third most expensive with only two niche electric brands more expensive: Quote: Tata Motors, $86,154 Rivian, $73,396 Tesla Motors, $69,831 BMW, $68,389 Daimler, $66,158 Geely Auto Group, $58,648 Stellantis, $54,880 Volkswagen Group, $54,858 Ford Motor Company, $54,227 General Motors, $52,175 Elon Musk: saving the world one luxury sedan at a time.
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19th January 2023, 07:54 AM	#128
jadebox Master Poster Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,368	Originally Posted by mgidm86 I never saw it. Is it really legal to sell a car like this or is this just another example of Musk thumbing his nose at the law? Specifically, is it legal for a car to be operated on public streets without a driver on-board? The feature is disabled on public streets. I watched someone fetch their Tesla in a parking lot a few years ago when the feature was new. It moved so slow that if it were about to hit anything, the owner could have stopped it fast enough just by lifting a finger. But, most other manufacturers with similar features limit them to working over a much shorter distance such as pulling out of a garage or parking space. That seems much less risky. I get the impression that Tesla is trying to do too much with too little hardware. Most self-driving vehicles have a lot more sensors than Tesla.

19th January 2023, 08:43 AM	#129
Fast Eddie B Philosopher Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lenoir City, TN/Mineral Bluff, GA Posts: 7,426	Originally Posted by Segnosaur Just out of curiosity, what vehicles are counted in that "average new car price"? Not 100% sure. Here’s the link: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/average...e-sets-record/ At the time, they point out EV’s were still priced well above average. That certainly has been moderated a bit by Tesla’s recent price drops, but on average they’re certainly still a bit higher nonetheless.