Weapons, poll - Page 2

mgidm86 · 21st March 2022, 02:26 PM

I voted "on Planet X Weapons Are Currency"

JoeMorgue · 21st March 2022, 02:28 PM

Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword.

Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

dudalb · 21st March 2022, 03:09 PM

And what constitutes a weapon?
A butchers knife could be a deadly weapon in the right hands.

Gaetan · 21st March 2022, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword.

Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12

wollery · 21st March 2022, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12

"I"??

shemp · 21st March 2022, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword.

Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

Oh great, that's what we need, millions of naked Christians running around with swords!

junkshop · 21st March 2022, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by JoeMorgue

Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword.

Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12

Originally Posted by wollery

"I"??

Gaetan, have you levelled up? Are you Jesus now?

Does this mean we have to worship you now?

What happens if we don't?

Maybe it was a typo. Let's hope it was a typo.

Venom · 21st March 2022, 06:42 PM

Without weapons, the strong simply overpower the meek with sheer numbers or natural strength.

I need to be able to make someone twice my size hesitate about trying anything.

bruto · 21st March 2022, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I see that you like to live dangerously.

It's not a matter of liking, but of reality. Sure, weapons of mass destruction were not around back in the stone age, but people still killed each other, individually and genocidally. There is abundant evidence that people invented weapons, money, free markets and police, along with many other things. The suggestion that these obvious things would not be reinvented seems....well....not very brilliant.

trustbutverify · 21st March 2022, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

I propose that all countries get rid of weapons including those that we buy in stores, agree or disagree? What interest to invade a country which is not armed, one can have their resources by the trade. If the Ukrainians were not posing a threat to Russia with arms, they would not have been invaded. Let's start here in Canada by getting rid of all our guns. We will end up destroying ourselves if this continues, we are in 2022 we can get everything by trade, no need to want to steal from others as was the case in the past. Weapons no longer have a purpose and never have had a purpose.

Pure nonsense. Stop babbling Putin's propaganda.

Gaetan · 21st March 2022, 08:32 PM

Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree.

Venom · 21st March 2022, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree.

Hell, regular people won't agree. There is no shortage of conflict among humans. There are no shortage of humans who simply want to kill those they consider undesirable (see recent threads in this subforum for some examples) and we need weapons to protect ourselves from them.

Gaetan · 21st March 2022, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

Hell, regular people won't agree. There is no shortage of conflict among humans. There are no shortage of humans who simply want to kill those they consider undesirable (see recent threads in this subforum for some examples) and we need weapons to protect ourselves from them.

Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited.

The Great Zaganza · 21st March 2022, 09:17 PM

What about hunting?
I need my vials of mutated anthrax... for duck hunting.

bruto · 21st March 2022, 09:46 PM

So surprise, Gaetan is for world peace. A noble idea no doubt, but unfortunately none of us can wave our arms (or waive them for that matter) and make it happen.

I am assuming, of course, that in the customary manner, the language of the proposition is sloppy and loose, and that the proposal is not going to make the entire world an airplane where you must peel your potatoes with a plastic knife and pry open bags with your teeth. After all, as we are all too aware, a box cutter is a weapon in some hands too.

Of course it's not going to happen, so we're left with the usual "wouldn't it be nice if" statement.

When you get back down from the Big Rock Candy Mountain, give us a weather report.

lionking · 22nd March 2022, 03:37 AM

Stupid thread. Not unexpected.

Carrot Flower King · 22nd March 2022, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by junkshop

*Wanders into the ballroom, and admires a particularly hefty candlestick*

Is copper pipe as good as lead pipe?

Just asking for a friend who has some spare copper piping, but lacks the lead for the murdering.

Carrot Flower King · 22nd March 2022, 04:17 AM

Actually, come to think of it our drugs shelf could get pretty lethal: a load of digoxin there; pretty sure large doses of the other cardiac meds would do a damage; the anti-coagulant definitely could; too much diuretic wouldn't be nice; and that's before we get to the hefty opiods that CFQ still has left from a while back...

That and I'm sure I could clobber someone with an empty bottle of a rather nice north Rhone syrah...

Jack by the hedge · 22nd March 2022, 04:43 AM

As usual, Gaetan fails to grasp that the problem is not the means to do selfish things, it's the humans who do those things.

"Wouldn't it be great if we got rid of X?" is a pointless dream because what it actually means is "wouldn't it be great if the entire human race could agree to permanently give up X?". The entire human race is not capable of that. It's not how humans work.

Gaetan wishes we were machines, not animals.

Puppycow · 22nd March 2022, 04:55 AM

Pacifism would be great if only everyone were a pacifist.

It only takes a very few people who are not pacifists to ruin it for the rest of us.

Maybe in some great future we will finally evolve into a species that really can put down our weapons for good. That day has not arrived.

The idea that Russia felt they needed to invade Ukraine because Ukraine possessed weapons is extreme naivete. A better explanation is that Russia invaded Ukraine because they thought that Ukraine didn't have enough weapons to defend itself. The exact opposite logic. Countries don't generally start wars unless they believe that they can win the war. It sometimes proves to be a mistaken belief, but they expect a better than 50% chance of success, else they would likely not roll the dice.

Crossbow · 22nd March 2022, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited.

I suggest that you clarify just what it is that you are trying to discuss.

Are you trying to talk about "guns"?

Or are you trying to talk about "weapons"?

JoeMorgue · 22nd March 2022, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by junkshop

Gaetan, have you levelled up? Are you Jesus now?

Does this mean we have to worship you now?

What happens if we don't?

Maybe it was a typo. Let's hope it was a typo.

No it's just part of his act. His grasp of English will get worse and worse the more he is argued into a corner.

The Man · 22nd March 2022, 06:21 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree.

Medical conditions, some related to old age, others not and accidents are the leading causes of death in the US.

Leading Causes of Death

Weapons and related intentional injuries don't even make the top 10. Stop just making crap up.

The Man · 22nd March 2022, 06:26 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Is copper pipe as good as lead pipe?

Just asking for a friend who has some spare copper piping, but lacks the lead for the murdering.

Only in the conservatory, lead pipe is quieter for use in the library.

mumblethrax · 22nd March 2022, 06:34 AM

(soporific chord progression in C major)

Imagine there's no weapons
Agree or disagree

The Man · 22nd March 2022, 06:35 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited.

Again, even in the US more people die from other causes than guns. Get some facts and not just fantasy.

Firearm deaths

Now that isn't to say that gun control is either bad or ineffective, but just again to say, stop just making crap up.

Oh, and if "he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun" then his gun did in fact stop you from killing him. Even your crap doesn't agree with your crap.

trustbutverify · 22nd March 2022, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree.

Will mace be banned as well?

Gaetan · 22nd March 2022, 06:45 AM

More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.

JoeMorgue · 22nd March 2022, 06:55 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.

More stupid in society means more people will die because of bad ideas.

And I'm going be honest if a genie appeared in front of my right now and offered me two choices, get rid of all guns or get rid of all stupid people... well I don't think my answer would win me the Ms. America Crown if you catch my drift.

The Man · 22nd March 2022, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.

Again even in a society with "More guns" (like the US) more people still die from other causes. Even just deaths from intentional injuries (guns and other weapons or just bare handed killing of others) didn't even make the top 10 causes.

Again, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to rectify these lesser causes of death, but, again, simply that you should stop just making crap up.

Sure guns make it easier to kill, even someone trying to kill you with a knife (or swimming pool). They also deter, a weapon doesn't have to be directly used to be useful.

Thermal · 22nd March 2022, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.

Well it for sure makes the killing more gruesome.

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but many weapons are used defensively. Take them away, and the sociopaths who value your life and comfort not a whit propose the interesting intellectual thought experiment of who is more likely to bludgeon the other to death with a piece of pipe to take their ham sandwich.

bruto · 22nd March 2022, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by trustbutverify

Will mace be banned as well?

Don't stop there. The weapons police will be coming by to measure the blade length of your kitchen knives.

But I hope they leave us the cricket bats. I'm a little nervous about the zombies.

Carrot Flower King · 22nd March 2022, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by The Man

Only in the conservatory, lead pipe is quieter for use in the library.

Bugger! I...Errr, my friend doesn't have either a library or a conservatory...

Back to kitchen knives and hammers it is...

Jack by the hedge · 22nd March 2022, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Bugger! I...Errr, my friend doesn't have either a library or a conservatory...

Back to kitchen knives and hammers it is...

That reminds me: the UK version of the game is Cluedo, while I gather the US version is Clue, but the thing that always bugged me is the name of one of the weapons. The "revolver" is always pictured as an automatic. Surely that can't be the same in a country where people tend to know one end of a pistol from the other?

The Man · 22nd March 2022, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Jack by the hedge

That reminds me: the UK version of the game is Cluedo, while I gather the US version is Clue, but the thing that always bugged me is the name of one of the weapons. The "revolver" is always pictured as an automatic. Surely that can't be the same in a country where people tend to know one end of a pistol from the other?

While I couldn't recall myself, evidently it was, at least until '72.

The Revolver

Crossbow · 22nd March 2022, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by Gaetan

More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.

Well, ...

If all guns are taken away,

Then I supposed that people will start using other weapons to kill people.

Therefore, it is a good thing that I have a large stockpile of 'Holy Handgernades of Antioch'.

The Atheist · 22nd March 2022, 11:05 AM

Haven't we already had this question answered?

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I AGREE

theprestige · 22nd March 2022, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Crossbow

Well, ...

If all guns are taken away,

Then I supposed that people will start using other weapons to kill people.

Therefore, it is a good thing that I have a large stockpile of 'Holy Handgernades of Antioch'.

Poison. More people would resort to poison.

JoeMorgue · 22nd March 2022, 11:23 AM

We should get rid of all weapons so we focus on the finer things in life, like how to kill a man by shoving his nose up into his brain.

bruto · 22nd March 2022, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King

Bugger! I...Errr, my friend doesn't have either a library or a conservatory...

Back to kitchen knives and hammers it is...

Depends on what you have around....

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21st March 2022, 02:26 PM	#41
mgidm86 Philosopher Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,512	I voted "on Planet X Weapons Are Currency"
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21st March 2022, 03:09 PM	#43
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 57,259	And what constitutes a weapon? A butchers knife could be a deadly weapon in the right hands.
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21st March 2022, 03:43 PM	#44
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,585	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword. Gospel of Luke 22:36-38 I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12
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21st March 2022, 04:09 PM	#45
wollery Protected by Samurai Hedgehogs! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 11,196	Originally Posted by Gaetan I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12 "I"??
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21st March 2022, 02:28 PM	#42
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword. Gospel of Luke 22:36-38

21st March 2022, 04:21 PM	#46
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Out back preparing the bunker for the next Civil War Posts: 52,817	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword. Gospel of Luke 22:36-38 Oh great, that's what we need, millions of naked Christians running around with swords!
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21st March 2022, 05:14 PM	#47
junkshop Graduate Poster Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: in the kitchen Posts: 1,432	Originally Posted by JoeMorgue Jesus told his followers to sell their clothes and buy a sword. Gospel of Luke 22:36-38 Originally Posted by Gaetan I said that to look like a criminal to comply with Isaiah 53.12 Originally Posted by wollery "I"?? Gaetan, have you levelled up? Are you Jesus now? Does this mean we have to worship you now? What happens if we don't? Maybe it was a typo. Let's hope it was a typo.
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21st March 2022, 06:42 PM	#48
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,080	Without weapons, the strong simply overpower the meek with sheer numbers or natural strength. I need to be able to make someone twice my size hesitate about trying anything.

21st March 2022, 06:48 PM	#49
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,779	Originally Posted by Gaetan I see that you like to live dangerously. It's not a matter of liking, but of reality. Sure, weapons of mass destruction were not around back in the stone age, but people still killed each other, individually and genocidally. There is abundant evidence that people invented weapons, money, free markets and police, along with many other things. The suggestion that these obvious things would not be reinvented seems....well....not very brilliant.
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21st March 2022, 06:55 PM	#50
trustbutverify Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10,030	Originally Posted by Gaetan I propose that all countries get rid of weapons including those that we buy in stores, agree or disagree? What interest to invade a country which is not armed, one can have their resources by the trade. If the Ukrainians were not posing a threat to Russia with arms, they would not have been invaded. Let's start here in Canada by getting rid of all our guns. We will end up destroying ourselves if this continues, we are in 2022 we can get everything by trade, no need to want to steal from others as was the case in the past. Weapons no longer have a purpose and never have had a purpose. Pure nonsense. Stop babbling Putin's propaganda.
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21st March 2022, 08:32 PM	#51
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,585	Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree.
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21st March 2022, 08:46 PM	#52
Venom Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 6,080	Originally Posted by Gaetan Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree. Hell, regular people won't agree. There is no shortage of conflict among humans. There are no shortage of humans who simply want to kill those they consider undesirable (see recent threads in this subforum for some examples) and we need weapons to protect ourselves from them.

21st March 2022, 08:55 PM	#53
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,585	Originally Posted by Venom Hell, regular people won't agree. There is no shortage of conflict among humans. There are no shortage of humans who simply want to kill those they consider undesirable (see recent threads in this subforum for some examples) and we need weapons to protect ourselves from them. Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited.
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21st March 2022, 09:17 PM	#54
The Great Zaganza Maledictorian Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 19,336	What about hunting? I need my vials of mutated anthrax... for duck hunting.
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21st March 2022, 09:46 PM	#55
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,779	So surprise, Gaetan is for world peace. A noble idea no doubt, but unfortunately none of us can wave our arms (or waive them for that matter) and make it happen. I am assuming, of course, that in the customary manner, the language of the proposition is sloppy and loose, and that the proposal is not going to make the entire world an airplane where you must peel your potatoes with a plastic knife and pry open bags with your teeth. After all, as we are all too aware, a box cutter is a weapon in some hands too. Of course it's not going to happen, so we're left with the usual "wouldn't it be nice if" statement. When you get back down from the Big Rock Candy Mountain, give us a weather report.
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22nd March 2022, 03:37 AM	#56
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 52,528	Stupid thread. Not unexpected.
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22nd March 2022, 04:14 AM	#57
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,392	Originally Posted by junkshop Wanders into the ballroom, and admires a particularly hefty candlestick Is copper pipe as good as lead pipe? Just asking for a friend who has some spare copper piping, but lacks the lead for the murdering.

22nd March 2022, 04:17 AM	#58
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,392	Actually, come to think of it our drugs shelf could get pretty lethal: a load of digoxin there; pretty sure large doses of the other cardiac meds would do a damage; the anti-coagulant definitely could; too much diuretic wouldn't be nice; and that's before we get to the hefty opiods that CFQ still has left from a while back... That and I'm sure I could clobber someone with an empty bottle of a rather nice north Rhone syrah...

22nd March 2022, 04:43 AM	#59
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,117	As usual, Gaetan fails to grasp that the problem is not the means to do selfish things, it's the humans who do those things. "Wouldn't it be great if we got rid of X?" is a pointless dream because what it actually means is "wouldn't it be great if the entire human race could agree to permanently give up X?". The entire human race is not capable of that. It's not how humans work. Gaetan wishes we were machines, not animals.

22nd March 2022, 04:55 AM	#60
Puppycow Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 27,815	Pacifism would be great if only everyone were a pacifist. It only takes a very few people who are not pacifists to ruin it for the rest of us. Maybe in some great future we will finally evolve into a species that really can put down our weapons for good. That day has not arrived. The idea that Russia felt they needed to invade Ukraine because Ukraine possessed weapons is extreme naivete. A better explanation is that Russia invaded Ukraine because they thought that Ukraine didn't have enough weapons to defend itself. The exact opposite logic. Countries don't generally start wars unless they believe that they can win the war. It sometimes proves to be a mistaken belief, but they expect a better than 50% chance of success, else they would likely not roll the dice.
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22nd March 2022, 05:40 AM	#61
Crossbow Seeking Honesty and Sanity Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Charleston, WV Posts: 14,414	Originally Posted by Gaetan Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited. I suggest that you clarify just what it is that you are trying to discuss. Are you trying to talk about "guns"? Or are you trying to talk about "weapons"?
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22nd March 2022, 05:44 AM	#62
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by junkshop Gaetan, have you levelled up? Are you Jesus now? Does this mean we have to worship you now? What happens if we don't? Maybe it was a typo. Let's hope it was a typo. No it's just part of his act. His grasp of English will get worse and worse the more he is argued into a corner.

22nd March 2022, 06:21 AM	#63
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 16,895	Originally Posted by Gaetan Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree. Medical conditions, some related to old age, others not and accidents are the leading causes of death in the US. Leading Causes of Death Weapons and related intentional injuries don't even make the top 10. Stop just making crap up.
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22nd March 2022, 06:26 AM	#64
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 16,895	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Is copper pipe as good as lead pipe? Just asking for a friend who has some spare copper piping, but lacks the lead for the murdering. Only in the conservatory, lead pipe is quieter for use in the library.
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22nd March 2022, 06:34 AM	#65
mumblethrax Species traitor Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 3,378	(soporific chord progression in C major) Imagine there's no weapons Agree or disagree

22nd March 2022, 06:35 AM	#66
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 16,895	Originally Posted by Gaetan Guns doesn't stop some one to kill you, he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun, more guns more people are killed, country like US where there are guns all over the place more people are killed compared to countries where guns are controled or prohibited. Again, even in the US more people die from other causes than guns. Get some facts and not just fantasy. Firearm deaths Now that isn't to say that gun control is either bad or ineffective, but just again to say, stop just making crap up. Oh, and if "he'll shoot you before you get a chance to grab your gun" then his gun did in fact stop you from killing him. Even your crap doesn't agree with your crap.
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22nd March 2022, 06:43 AM	#67
trustbutverify Penultimate Amazing Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 10,030	Originally Posted by Gaetan Just think about the ressources saved if we get rid of weapons, almost no one will die except of old age, the money saved that could be used to feed poor, soldiers could do a more appropriate duty. Off course the WRA and the weapon industries won't agree. Will mace be banned as well?
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22nd March 2022, 06:45 AM	#68
Gaetan Illuminator Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 4,585	More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill.
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22nd March 2022, 06:55 AM	#69
JoeMorgue Suspended Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 42,380	Originally Posted by Gaetan More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill. More stupid in society means more people will die because of bad ideas. And I'm going be honest if a genie appeared in front of my right now and offered me two choices, get rid of all guns or get rid of all stupid people... well I don't think my answer would win me the Ms. America Crown if you catch my drift.

22nd March 2022, 06:57 AM	#70
The Man Unbanned zombie poster Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Poughkeepsie, NY Posts: 16,895	Originally Posted by Gaetan More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill. Again even in a society with "More guns" (like the US) more people still die from other causes. Even just deaths from intentional injuries (guns and other weapons or just bare handed killing of others) didn't even make the top 10 causes. Again, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to rectify these lesser causes of death, but, again, simply that you should stop just making crap up. Sure guns make it easier to kill, even someone trying to kill you with a knife (or swimming pool). They also deter, a weapon doesn't have to be directly used to be useful.
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22nd March 2022, 08:06 AM	#71
Thermal Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: In the Troll Ignoring Section Posts: 21,206	Originally Posted by Gaetan More guns in a society more people will die because guns makes it easy to kill. Well it for sure makes the killing more gruesome. I'm sure this has been pointed out, but many weapons are used defensively. Take them away, and the sociopaths who value your life and comfort not a whit propose the interesting intellectual thought experiment of who is more likely to bludgeon the other to death with a piece of pipe to take their ham sandwich.
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22nd March 2022, 08:49 AM	#72
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 33,779	Originally Posted by trustbutverify Will mace be banned as well? Don't stop there. The weapons police will be coming by to measure the blade length of your kitchen knives. But I hope they leave us the cricket bats. I'm a little nervous about the zombies.
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22nd March 2022, 08:55 AM	#73
Carrot Flower King Illuminator Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Northumberland, UK Posts: 3,392	Originally Posted by The Man Only in the conservatory, lead pipe is quieter for use in the library. Bugger! I...Errr, my friend doesn't have either a library or a conservatory... Back to kitchen knives and hammers it is...

22nd March 2022, 09:16 AM	#74
Jack by the hedge Safely Ignored Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 14,117	Originally Posted by Carrot Flower King Bugger! I...Errr, my friend doesn't have either a library or a conservatory... Back to kitchen knives and hammers it is... That reminds me: the UK version of the game is Cluedo, while I gather the US version is Clue, but the thing that always bugged me is the name of one of the weapons. The "revolver" is always pictured as an automatic. Surely that can't be the same in a country where people tend to know one end of a pistol from the other?