IS Forum
Forum Index Register Members List Events Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Help

Go Back   International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events
 


Welcome to the International Skeptics Forum, where we discuss skepticism, critical thinking, the paranormal and science in a friendly but lively way. You are currently viewing the forum as a guest, which means you are missing out on discussing matters that are of interest to you. Please consider registering so you can gain full use of the forum features and interact with other Members. Registration is simple, fast and free! Click here to register today.
Tags elon musk , twitter

Reply
Old 27th April 2022, 07:56 PM   #161
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 57,259
Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
Seriously, isn't that what twitter is most famous for? Its like those reporters out there kvetching about billionaires buying media outlets when they work for Jeff Bezos or recently worked for Carlos Slim.
I think twitter is most famous for stupid celebs making fools of themsleves on it....
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 08:00 PM   #162
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 57,259
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
And of course there are predictable outcomes for people Musk puts in his sights including those who are ostensibly his future employees….
Uh, I think that tweet just broke a couple of the TOS rules here......

But, yeah, if twitter becomes like 4 chan, look for a massive migration to other media.
Real question is how long until Musk gets tired of new toy?
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 10:08 PM   #163
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,740
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
There are nut jobs on Twitter. This isn’t news. But what exactly is your point? Should Musk refrain from saying anything critical because some nut jobs might say nasty things in response? That’s just a heckler’s veto, and why would we ever want to go down that road? Evaluate what he said on its own terms. Was he wrong? Was it actually the right thing to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story, even though it was true?
Apparently he should refrain from saying things critical of Twitter staff.

Why? Because he agreed to it as part of the deal to buy Twitter, apparently.

Quote:
Controversy grew on Wednesday over tweets from Elon Musk engaging with criticism of Twitter employees, despite a promise from the entrepreneur not to “disparage” the company or its representatives while he completes the deal to acquire the social media platform.

The world’s richest man agreed to restrictions on his tweets as part of a 95-page agreement covering his $44bn acquisition filed on Tuesday.

However, a day after signing the agreement, which was published on the website of the US securities regulator, Musk responded to tweets from two political commentators that criticised Twitter staff.
Link

If someone was about to buy your company and they decided to broadcast tweets mocking you beforehand, you may think it is dickish to do so even if the point was not technically false.

And I already did evaluate the tweet on its own terms. I wrote this, and you didn't address it:

Quote:
Tim Pool’s point itself could be seen as just as circular as the Twitter exec’s and in fact it allows Pool to say that anything he wants is left wing bias. If you think January 6th was a dangerous event and maybe people should not be tweeting their support of it if they can plausibly be seen to be inviting it then sure you can call it “left-wing bias” if your interpretation of the context is biased in favour of crazy right-wing bias: ie the claim the election was stolen! I guess right-wingers have just embraced post-modernism.
So you are criticizing me for not doing something I did do, on the basis that I also did something else.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 10:23 PM   #164
Frank Newgent
Philosopher
 
Frank Newgent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 7,012
Originally Posted by ahhell
Originally Posted by Frank Newgent View Post
Why is twitter such a big deal? Here in the US about one in five use it to express opinions. I don´t understand the fuss.
Fairly miss leading, about 1 in 5 folks in the US use twitter. 80% of tweets are from about 10% of users though.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...s-and-twitter/

80% of tweets are from about 2% of the population then? I have an idea.

Ignore them.
__________________
Disturbances of the semantic reactions in connection with faulty education and ignorance must be considered as sub-microscopic colloidal lesions - Alfred O. Korzybski

Last edited by Frank Newgent; 27th April 2022 at 10:24 PM.
Frank Newgent is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 10:25 PM   #165
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,336
I put even odds on Musk backing out of buying Twitter: it would seriously endanger Tesla's relationship with China.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 10:51 PM   #166
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,740
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I put even odds on Musk backing out of buying Twitter: it would seriously endanger Tesla's relationship with China.
His antics almost make it look like he's trying to scupper the purchase but in a way that he can blame Twitter.

"The deal is off because you broke the rules"
"See? They hate free speech. They used a heckler's veto. Oh well... I tried guys, but the game is rigged. It's rigged I tells ya!"
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 11:12 PM   #167
Brainster
Penultimate Amazing
 
Brainster's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 19,576
Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
And of course there are predictable outcomes for people Musk puts in his sights including those who are ostensibly his future employees….
Probably not his future employee in that case. I don't know how she still has a job, after being responsible for censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story.
__________________
My new blog: Recent Reads.
1960s Comic Book Nostalgia
Visit the Screw Loose Change blog.
Brainster is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 11:17 PM   #168
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 93,022
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I put even odds on Musk backing out of buying Twitter: it would seriously endanger Tesla's relationship with China.
I don't know anything about Musk and China except that Bezos made some related comment I wasn't interested enough in to bite the clickbait headline.

But I think it's interesting that Musk recently played some game with Bitcoin to drive up the price.

May 2021: Claims That Elon Musk Is Manipulating Crypto Markets Continue
Quote:
... he does retain his role as one of the most influential cryptocurrency investors out there. That's exactly why some want to hold him accountable for crypto market manipulation. ...

Musk has been particularly vocal about his positions in Bitcoin (BTC) and Dogecoin (DOGE). Recently, he reversed his decision to have Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) accept Bitcoin as payment over environmental concerns, which correlated with a measurable drop in the coin's value.

This comes just a couple of months after Tesla invested $1.5 billion in Bitcoin. Around that time, the currency gained 35 percent in value over the course of February.

Meanwhile, the last month hasn't been so kind to Bitcoin, which has fallen 21.42 percent during that time period. Current valuation is $51,039.60 per coin.

Musk has also publicized his position in Dogecoin, which has increased in value dramatically since the start of the year. With 24-hour returns at 26.58 percent, YTD returns are as high as 11,175.54 percent.

Right now, there's an unknown Dogecoin holder with 36.7 billion dogecoin, which is a massive 28 percent of the entire circulating supply. As the current price is around $0.53 per DOGE (and rising), that whale has a Dogecoin position worth about $20 billion
.
And then I saw this today:

Musk ordered to abide by SEC settlement over 2018 tweets
Quote:
A federal judge has rejected Elon Musk’s bid to throw out a securities fraud settlement over tweets claiming that Musk had the funding to take Tesla private in 2018. ...

The whole dispute stems from an October 2018 agreement with the SEC that Musk signed. He and Tesla each agreed to pay $20 million in civil fines over Musk’s tweets about having the “funding secured” to take Tesla private at $420 per share.

The funding was far from locked up, and the electric vehicle company remains public, but Tesla’s stock price jumped.
The settlement specified governance changes, including Musk’s ouster as board chairman, as well as pre-approval of his tweets.
So he buys 15% stake in Twitter then drives the price up with claims he's locked up the funding to buy the whole company to take it private. Is there an echo in this room?

Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Just sayin' ...

Last edited by Skeptic Ginger; 27th April 2022 at 11:18 PM.
Skeptic Ginger is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 11:20 PM   #169
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,336
If Musk backs out, he'll have to pay at least $1 billions. It would have to be a big speculation playoff to offset that.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 27th April 2022, 11:31 PM   #170
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 93,022
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If Musk backs out, he'll have to pay at least $1 billions. It would have to be a big speculation playoff to offset that.
1) Why would he have to pay that?

2) Are there any escape clauses?

3) Who knows if he stands to make more than that until the deal actually doesn't go through.

4) Maybe he isn't good at the math.

5) Is the Bitcoin/Dogecoin and Tesla market manipulation just a coincidence?
Skeptic Ginger is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 01:25 AM   #171
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,740
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Probably not his future employee in that case. I don't know how she still has a job, after being responsible for censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story.
I don’t think they think they did anything wrong with that. Musk has been calling out people on that as well, which again seems to be against the agreement.

I have to wonder why he is doing this. It doesn’t look like a person acting in good faith.

In addition, nobody can really tell where the joke posts end and where serious claims begin.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 07:05 AM   #172
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,740
Originally Posted by Brainster View Post
Probably not his future employee in that case. I don't know how she still has a job, after being responsible for censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story.
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
There are nut jobs on Twitter. This isn’t news. But what exactly is your point? Should Musk refrain from saying anything critical because some nut jobs might say nasty things in response? That’s just a heckler’s veto, and why would we ever want to go down that road? Evaluate what he said on its own terms. Was he wrong? Was it actually the right thing to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story, even though it was true?
I guess we should look at the context of one of the examples Tim Pool brings up.

This is from Carl Benjamin (AKA: Sargon of Akkad)

Link

She explains that he used a number of racial and anti-semitic slurs directed specifically at particular posters and said he would throw someone out of a helicopter.

I guess it is left-wing bias to see that as bad because it was usually right-wingers in the dirty war that did that.

Tim also brings up Milo and asks why he was banned. She points out that he seemed to be engaged in targetted harassment of Leslie Jones (among others) including posting faked tweets of her saying racist things against white people. He apparently knew they were faked or "in context" ask "did some internet rascal make them?" suggesting he knew they were faked but didn't care.

Tim also brings up Alex Jones, and Gaddes points out the ways in which he appeared to harass and possibly incite violence. He had three strikes and was out.

So Milo, Alex Jones and Carl Benjamin are the poster boys for Tim Pool's complaints that Twitter are too left-leaning even though they are big profile provocateurs.

They weren't really banned for being right-wing unless being racist and harassing is a right-wing thing.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 08:12 AM   #173
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 27,930
Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
There are nut jobs advocating violence against specific people and groups on Twitter. This isn’t news. But what exactly is your point? Should Musk refrain from saying anything critical because some nut jobs might say nasty things in response? That’s just a heckler’s veto, and why would we ever want to go down that road? Evaluate what he said on its own terms. Was he wrong? Was it actually the right thing to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story, even though it was true?
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 08:37 AM   #174
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 27,930
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
I put even odds on Musk backing out of buying Twitter: it would seriously endanger Tesla's relationship with China.
It's already endangering the share price...
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 08:48 AM   #175
mumblethrax
Species traitor
 
mumblethrax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,378
It’s looking increasingly like he’ll pull out. I hope he got a billion dollars worth of ego stroking out of it.
mumblethrax is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 08:49 AM   #176
plague311
Great minds think...
 
plague311's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 13,726
Originally Posted by mumblethrax View Post
It’s looking increasingly like he’ll pull out. I hope he got a billion dollars worth of ego stroking out of it.
Did something change? I haven't been keeping up with the story all that much.
__________________
“There are times when the mind is dealt such a blow it hides itself in insanity. While this may not seem beneficial, it is. There are times when reality is nothing but pain, and to escape that pain the mind must leave reality behind.” - Patrick Rothfuss
plague311 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 09:16 AM   #177
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 27,930
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Did something change? I haven't been keeping up with the story all that much.
Musk used his Tesla shareholding to attempt to raise a load (~US$12B IIRR). His antics have dropped said share price by around 12%, losing around US$120 billion in value.
Shareholders are unhappy. Lawyers and the SEC are watching.
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 09:47 AM   #178
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 93,022
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Did something change? I haven't been keeping up with the story all that much.
Reuters today: Investors fret over potential Musk U-turn in $44 bln Twitter buyout
Quote:
He has backtracked before. Earlier this month, he decided at the last minute not to take up a seat on Twitter's board. In 2018, Musk tweeted that there was "funding secured" for a $72 billion deal to take Tesla private, but did not move ahead with an offer. ...

Twitter shares ended trading in New York down 2.1% at $48.68, a big discount to the $54.20 deal price, implying a 62% chance of the deal being completed, according to Reuters calculations. That is a relatively low chance of deal completion, investors said,...
So speculation more than something specific.


Quote:
Roy Behren, co-president of Westchester Capital Management, which has $5.4 billion of assets under management, said the $1 billion deal termination fee was not high enough to make Musk think twice about walking away from the deal.
That answers my question about Musk losing 1 billion if he pulls out.
Skeptic Ginger is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 10:59 AM   #179
mumblethrax
Species traitor
 
mumblethrax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 3,378
Originally Posted by plague311 View Post
Did something change? I haven't been keeping up with the story all that much.
Tesla tanking, EU pointing out that Twitter will have to abide by EU regulations, lots of people pointing out that Apple and Google are effectively gatekeepers for Twitter, so he'll have to abide by their terms of service, too. If he can't do what he says he wants to do, it's unclear what he gets out of the deal. Maybe he thinks Twitter is undervalued, lol, lmao. And Twitter is down, suggesting that the market has lost some confidence that the deal will go through.

Seems like the smart bet that he'll pull out.
mumblethrax is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 01:11 PM   #180
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 64,874
Yet another example of why money is best invested in boring index-linked mutual funds. Any stock mentioned in the news is trouble, what you want is something so calm and sensible it's totally unremarkable and thus never makes the news.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 28th April 2022, 02:51 PM   #181
jimbob
Uncritical "thinker"
Moderator
 
jimbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 28,574
Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Musk used his Tesla shareholding to attempt to raise a load (~US$12B IIRR). His antics have dropped said share price by around 12%, losing around US$120 billion in value.
Shareholders are unhappy. Lawyers and the SEC are watching.
That's what I was thinking about
__________________
OECD healthcare spending
Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare
https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt

Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 29th April 2022, 12:45 AM   #182
catsmate
No longer the 1
 
catsmate's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 27,930
Originally Posted by jimbob View Post
That's what I was thinking about
Musk's had such problems before and hasn't learned.
__________________
As human right is always something given, it always in reality reduces to the right which men give, "concede," to each other. If the right to existence is conceded to new-born children, then they have the right; if it is not conceded to them, as was the case among the Spartans and ancient Romans, then they do not have it. For only society can give or concede it to them; they themselves cannot take it, or give it to themselves.
catsmate is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 29th April 2022, 12:59 AM   #183
jimbob
Uncritical "thinker"
Moderator
 
jimbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 28,574
Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Musk's had such problems before and hasn't learned.
Indeed, of all the non-Russian billionaires, he is the one I'd think is most likely to end up facing criminal charges related to his fortune.
__________________
OECD healthcare spending
Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare
https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt

Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 10:17 AM   #184
dudalb
Penultimate Amazing
 
dudalb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 57,259
Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold....

Not surprised.
Let's face it, Musk will do anything to get and stay in the news.
I hope this stunt opens the eyes of some of the Musk cultest
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12
who go nuclear if anybody dares to suggest that Musk is not the Savior of the World.
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12

Main motive of the Musk fanboys
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12
is they are proponents of Space Travel, and love Musk because of Space X and are willing to overlook eveything else. Sort of like one issue voters.
I am a big proponet of manned space travel myself ,and love what Musk had done with Space X, but I am not blind to his many, many, flaws like his cultist are.
__________________
Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty.

Robert Heinlein.

Last edited by xjx388; 16th May 2022 at 08:22 AM.
dudalb is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 10:22 AM   #185
Warp12
Banned
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: USA
Posts: 7,583
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Not surprised.
Let's face it, Musk will do anything to get and stay in the news.
I hope this stunt opens the eyes of some of the Musk cultest
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12
who go nuclear if anybody dares to suggest that Musk is not the Savior of the World.
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12

Main motive of the Musk fanboys
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Rule 12
is they are proponents of Space Travel, and love Musk because of Space X and are willing to overlook eveything else. Sort of like one issue voters.
I am a big proponet of manned space travel myself ,and love what Musk had done with Space X, but I am not blind to his many, many, flaws like his cultist are.

Why so negative on Musk?
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Edit response to moderated content.
I mean, why did you feel a need to start a special thread with an opening premise that he isn't all that great?

We don't really know much about his intent: he just made a Twitter comment. He also stated that he is still committed to aquisition.

Last edited by xjx388; 16th May 2022 at 08:23 AM.
Warp12 is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 10:52 AM   #186
Skeptic Ginger
Nasty Woman
 
Skeptic Ginger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 93,022
My post is in the other thread but 'I told you so'. I based it on his other unfulfilled whims and manipulation of prices by such involvement.
Skeptic Ginger is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 11:04 AM   #187
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,336
Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
Why so negative on Musk?
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Removed moderated content
I mean, why did you feel a need to start a special thread with an opening premise that he isn't all that great?

We don't really know much about his intent: he just made a Twitter comment. He also stated that he is still committed to aquisition.
you mean his accomplishment of hoovering up millions of government support for his schemes?

I bet he will withdraw from the Twitter deal.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust

Last edited by xjx388; 16th May 2022 at 08:25 AM.
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 11:05 AM   #188
Captain_Swoop
Penultimate Amazing
 
Captain_Swoop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 43,373
Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over fake account details

Quote:
Elon Musk has said his $44bn (£35bn) deal to buy Twitter is on hold after he queried the number of fake or spam accounts on the social media platform.

He said he was waiting for information "supporting [the] calculation that spam/fake accounts do indeed represent less than 5% of users".

Mr Musk added later that he was "still committed to [the] acquisition".

However, analysts speculated he could be seeking to renegotiate the price or even walk away from the takeover.

Mr Musk's tweets sent Twitter's share price plunging 10% in morning trade in New York.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61433724
Captain_Swoop is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 11:07 AM   #189
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,336
Musk wanted to finance 50% of the deal by selling Tesla Stock, but this is causing the stock to tank, which in turn makes it necessary for him to sell even more.
It's very possible that he simply can't afford the deal.

Also, Twitter shareholders are suing him, making it probably that the deal will get delayed, at the very least.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 11:55 AM   #190
TragicMonkey
Poisoned Waffles
 
TragicMonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Monkey
Posts: 64,874
I am tired of hearing of the antics of this puffy-faced clown. Why can't he just be satisfied with possessing immense wealth, and live quietly in insane luxury and comfort?

Yet another example of the wrong people having money.
__________________
You added nothing to that conversation, Barbara.
TragicMonkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 12:34 PM   #191
jimbob
Uncritical "thinker"
Moderator
 
jimbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 28,574
Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Elon Musk puts Twitter deal on hold over fake account details



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61433724
I read your headline and my first thought was that it was something to do with this.

He is the non-Russian billionaire I'd most expect to get done for some criminal charges relating to his fortune.


Originally Posted by Skeptic Ginger View Post
My post is in the other thread but 'I told you so'. I based it on his other unfulfilled whims and manipulation of prices by such involvement.
__________________
OECD healthcare spending
Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare
https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt

Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 12:38 PM   #192
angrysoba
Philosophile
 
angrysoba's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Osaka, Japan
Posts: 33,740
Yep! I am expecting something like this to happen….

Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
His antics almost make it look like he's trying to scupper the purchase but in a way that he can blame Twitter.

"The deal is off because you broke the rules"
"See? They hate free speech. They used a heckler's veto. Oh well... I tried guys, but the game is rigged. It's rigged I tells ya!"
I have seen some speculation that driving down the price of Tesla is part of the plan to buy back the stock he sold before.

Honestly I have no idea if that makes sense given his Twitter purchases. That said I stand by an earlier post I made that the problem with Elon Musk is that nobody can know the difference between when he is being serious and when he is just being a twat. Ultimately that is probably going to cost him.
__________________
Слава Україні! **** Putin!
angrysoba is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 13th May 2022, 07:42 PM   #193
marting
Illuminator
 
marting's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 3,628
I'm also not surprised. Given the general, large drop in tech stocks it just looks like a reneg tactic. Had Musk never made an offer twitter would be lower like pretty much everything in tech. Check FB lately?
__________________
Flying's easy. Walking on water, now that's cool.
marting is online now   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 01:57 AM   #194
Checkmite
Skepticifimisticalationist
 
Checkmite's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Gulf Coast
Posts: 27,994
Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Edited by xjx388:  <SNIP> Removed response to moderated content.
Musk himself certainly has a thin skin. He has a track record of petty reaction and lashing out at detractors, and while I imagine he would at least make an attempt at governing Twitter objectively for a time, I do not think he would be able to resist eventually taking some kind of retaliatory action against someone who tweets the "wrong thing" while he's in a bad mood. And contriving a weak excuse for doing it, so as not to violate his "free speech absolutist" position.
__________________
"¿WHAT KIND OF BIRD?
¿A PARANORMAL BIRD?"
--- Carlos S., 2002

Last edited by xjx388; 16th May 2022 at 08:27 AM.
Checkmite is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 02:03 AM   #195
jimbob
Uncritical "thinker"
Moderator
 
jimbob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 28,574
Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Musk himself certainly has a thin skin. He has a track record of petty reaction and lashing out at detractors, and while I imagine he would at least make an attempt at governing Twitter objectively for a time, I do not think he would be able to resist eventually taking some kind of retaliatory action against someone who tweets the "wrong thing" while he's in a bad mood. And contriving a weak excuse for doing it, so as not to violate his "free speech absolutist" position.
The BBC World Service radio had a section on this when the news of the bid acceptance was raised.

The journalist had been talking to the CEO of one of the "Freeze peach" alternatives to Twitter - I *think* Gab, but it might have been Parler.

Even though the aim was free speech, the CEO spent most of his time dealing with moderation, because there is a *lot* of very unsavoury, illegal stuff out there that the platform would be responsible for if it wasn't removed. As well as possible defamation etc.

Then there is the brand reputation. Advertisers don't want to be associated with a binfire.
__________________
OECD healthcare spending
Public/Compulsory Expenditure on healthcare
https://data.oecd.org/chart/60Tt

Every year since 1990 the US Public healthcare spending has been greater than the UK as a proportion of GDP. More US Tax goes to healthcare than the UK
jimbob is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 04:54 AM   #196
kookbreaker
Evil Fokker
 
kookbreaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 14,331
Not too surprising, even before the drop of Tesla stock I was seeing multiple analysts saying this deal was a very poor value for Musk and he wasn’t likely to lose a lot of money on the deal. His influence over the social media would also not be as effective as he might want.
__________________
www.spectrum-scientifics.com <- My store of science toys, instruments and general fun!

Thanks for helping me win Best Toys in Philly Voter in 2011,2012, and 2014! We won' be discussing the disappointment that was 2013.
kookbreaker is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 05:47 AM   #197
The Great Zaganza
Maledictorian
 
The Great Zaganza's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 19,336
It's pretty obvious what Musk is trying to do here: tank the Twitter price, buy it, do some cosmetic changes and sell it off again for double the price.
__________________
"The only true paradise is paradise lost"
Marcel Proust
The Great Zaganza is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 09:03 AM   #198
Solitaire
Neoclinus blanchardi
 
Solitaire's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Posts: 2,754
Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Musk wanted to finance 50% of the deal by selling Tesla Stock,
but this is causing the stock to tank, which in turn makes it necessary
for him to sell even more.

It's very possible that he simply can't afford the deal.

This completely.

Last year he sold 11 billion dollars in Tesla stock, about 10% of his holdings,
to pay his taxes. The stock fell from 1225 a share down to 750 a share six
months later. The deal with Twitter requires he raise 22 billion in cash by selling
more of his Tesla stock. In order to deal with these sales Tesla's stock price
must fall an additional 950 dollar a share. And keep in mind he will have to
pay capital gains taxes for those sales as well.
__________________
Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar. And doesn't.
Solitaire is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 14th May 2022, 09:06 AM   #199
sir drinks-a-lot
Philosopher
 
sir drinks-a-lot's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Cole Valley, CA
Posts: 5,161
Alex Jones just tweeted something along the lines of "Thanks, @elonmusk. I'm now back on Twitter."
__________________
I don't like that man. I must get to know him better. --Abraham Lincoln
sir drinks-a-lot is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Old 16th May 2022, 05:00 AM   #200
SuburbanTurkey
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Null
Posts: 15,479
Originally Posted by sir drinks-a-lot View Post
Alex Jones just tweeted something along the lines of "Thanks, @elonmusk. I'm now back on Twitter."
Did he? I don't see his account, or the old infowars account.

Jones wouldn't be the only banned or suspended right wing troll making such comments. I wonder how exactly they think this occurred, especially considering that Elon Musk does not actually have any control over Twitter at the moment. Even if you take his buy offer seriously, it'll be some time yet before it could be finalized.
SuburbanTurkey is offline   Quote this post in a PM   Nominate this post for this month's language award Copy a direct link to this post Reply With Quote Back to Top
Reply

International Skeptics Forum » General Topics » Social Issues & Current Events

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 07:56 PM.
Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum began as part of the James Randi Education Foundation (JREF). However, the forum now exists as
an independent entity with no affiliation with or endorsement by the JREF, including the section in reference to "JREF" topics.

Disclaimer: Messages posted in the Forum are solely the opinion of their authors.